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Aaron Rodgers and Novak Djokovic Become Enemies of the Left

5 Jan 2022

CLAY: I want to read this quote for you, a couple of them, because I don’t know if you saw it. We talked about this quite a bit because it turned into a big story. Aaron Rodgers chose not to get covid vaccine, the Green Bay Packers quarterback.

BUCK: The Aaron Rodgers jerseys as Christmas presents were flying off the shelves.

CLAY: Yes. As a result… By the way, we’re number one show in Milwaukee. We love all you there. Aaron Rodgers, not trying to have a big sports argument here, but he is the NFL MVP this year, okay? The only other case you could make is for Tom Brady, but Aaron Rodgers should be the MVP. His team is number one in the NFC. They are the favorite right now I believe to win the Super Bowl in the gambling markets. He is the best player, okay? He missed one game because he tested positive for covid.

Many players have missed games for testing positive for covid, whether they got the vaccine or not, all right? So there are only 50 voters, Buck, who make the decision on who the NFL MVP is gonna be. Only 50 of them. One of the voters went on Chicago area radio yesterday and said he would not be voting for Aaron Rodgers because “I don’t think you can be the biggest jerk in the league,” he said, “and punish your team and your organization and your fan base the way he did and be MVP.”

He further built on it by saying it’s because Rodgers had been unvaccinated and spent 10 days on the covid list. He said, “We’re told to pick the guy who we think is most valuable, and it’s not strictly on the field. He hurt his team on the field by the way he acted off the field. They’re gonna get the number one seed anyway, but what if the difference had come down to the Chiefs game where he lied about being vaccinated and they ended up getting beaten?”

He said that’s one of the justifications for why he’s not voting for Aaron Rodgers. How insane is it, Buck, that a quarterback in Aaron Rodgers — who looked at all the data, like we tell all of our listeners to do every single day — recognized that he was not under danger himself from covid, made the decision that he was not going to be covid vaccinated? He told his team, told all of his teammates. He didn’t hide it from them.

He did try to hide it from the media, because he knew it would be a big story, and now these left-wing losers in sports media — the same people who went after Drew Brees when he said, “The reason I stand for the national anthem’s ’cause my two grandfathers fought in World War II and I want to honor them” — now they’re going after Aaron Rodgers and at least one of them, of 50, is saying publicly, “I’m not voting for him because he upset me with his off-the-field decision making.”

BUCK: I’m like a foreigner when it comes to the sports media. It’s almost like I have to translate. I’ve never paid any attention. I don’t know. So when you’ve been saying, Clay, as we’ve done the show together, or I think actually they are —

CLAY: They are.

BUCK: — more left-wing than the national political media. To me, that’s colder than absolute zero.

CLAY: Blows your mind.

BUCK: How is that even possible, right? You can’t even get — and yet here we are with the U Penn situation and the transgender swimmer playing on it. And you point out ESPN does no stories on it.

CLAY: They haven’t done a single story on it.

BUCK: They don’t even cover it. You would think they would celebrate it. But, see, it’s not helpful to the narrative. This time it’s not helpful to the narrative because they’re annihilating all the women’s records. And on this issue of Aaron Rodgers, it made goes to show you they are effectively — and I’ve been learning this from you in real time as we go along — the sports media… It is like ESPN is as people have derided it MSNBC with sports. They are just as adjunct of the overall narrative of the left, which is remarkable because you think that sports would be one place where excellence, winning, truth.

CLAY: Meritocracy.

BUCK: Meritocracy for everybody. And yet, no, Aaron Rodgers, ’cause he’s against the covid narrative. I’m sorry. We haven’t even yet had a reckoning in sports or anywhere else, but you’ve been talking about the positive cases on a lot of these teams. There seems to have been no willingness to have a national conversation about the fact that the vaccines to stop spread did not work, okay?

CLAY: Completely failed.

BUCK: For stopping the spread, they’re an abject failure. For individual protection for those at risk, they’re good. Are they better than natural immunity, by the way? I would like that conversation. I want to know. Who is safer right now to be around, someone who got the shot six months ago and has not had covid or somebody who had covid and never got a shot?

I would like Fauci to answer that question, but as we know the rules also change all the time. I am a tennis player. Not bad. Pretty good. Got a decent forehand, serves needs a lot work. You know, the only sport I played well. I won shooting when I was in Florida with my brothers. We like to go to the range. But the only sport I playing on a regular basis is tennis and crushing commies if one can say that’s a sport.

Sorry. I just had to. But nonetheless, I know a bit about tennis, and Novak Djokovic is… I mean, there’s three great living tennis players who are all kind of… There’s Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer — and then, of course, you go back a ways, there’s Pete Sampras for the greatest-of-all-time title. But right now, I think Djokovic, is he number one in the world?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And wait a second, Clay. There were kind of different rules for him when it came to covid suddenly and going to the Australian Open.

CLAY: So this is both ridiculous, predictable, and sad all rolled into one. Novak Djokovic has chosen not to get the covid vaccine. He already had covid and like many athletes, he looked at the data, you know, athletes are intensely in tune with their bodies and he said it’s not worth me getting the covid vaccine. So the Australian Open is going to start in the next few days.

I’m not sure exactly, but it’s in January of this month in Australia. And Australia is not allowing anyone into the country unless they’ve been vaccinated for covid. Now, leave aside how crazy that is. Somehow Novak Djokovic qualified for an exemption to the covid vaccine requirement, traveled from Europe to Australia, arrived in the country, and they refused to allow him to enter the country because word got out that he got the exemption and people are furious in Australia.

And so right now as we speak, Novak Djokovic is at a hotel at the airport in Australia being guarded by two different security guards unable to leave his hotel room in Australia. They don’t know if he’s gonna be able to play in the tournament, but he got on the plane and flew there! It’s no small flight to go all the way to Australia, and now they’re not letting him out of his hotel room.

BUCK: It was just too much, right? Australia. It’s been so disappointing ’cause everyone had thought in America, I think, the perception was that Aussies are more laidback Brits with a better tan. You know what I mean? They’re just sort of they’re in the sun, they’re at the beach, they’re hanging out. And Aussies, it turns out, are creating the template — even more so than China — of the biosecurity state. But at least they’re trying to be consistent in this lunacy because the worst tyrannies, as we see in this country, is when they rule based upon how important you are, based upon how powerful you are.

One thing I think I mentioned when I was in even Miami, Clay. Djokovic obviously gets a pass, or they wanted him to give him a pass ’cause he’s so important. But the virus doesn’t care how important you are. You know, the virus doesn’t care how wealthy you are. Even in Miami you have a lot of the servants, if you will, you know, the servant class or people in the service industry were masked up all the time.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: This has become a class marker for a lot of people because why should somebody who’s eating dinner not mask up? Forget eating dinner. People say you need to have food in your mouth, whatever. Why should someone who hangs out at a bar you should be able to be unmasked while somebody else is masked up? It’s just about class and power at this point.

CLAY: How angry would be if you traveled all the way to Australia, they had told you that you could enter country, and then when you got there, they put you in a hotel room with two armed guards and you weren’t able to go anywhere?

BUCK: It’s a long flight from what I understand. Have you ever been? I’ve never been to the Land Down Under.

CLAY: No, I would love to go. I’m not gonna be able to go ’cause I’m not vaccinated. I don’t want to travel all the way to Australia and end up held hostage in a hotel room.

BUCK: Clay, I don’t want to have to get some kind of special exfiltration mission going to get you out of your Australian quarantine camp if you visit. But I will say with this audience, we’d get you out of there in a quick minute.

CLAY: I would appreciate it.

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Double Vaxxed, Boosted and Locked Down at Yale

5 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, I know we probably shouldn’t be surprised that our nation’s “smartest” (and I’m saying that in quotation marks) universities are among the most Draconian when it’s come to covid. If you remember, the Ivy League shut down sports for a couple of years. That was before they allowed men to start competing against women. They were shutting down all their sports.

And now I’m looking at some of the stories that are coming out. Princeton, Buck, is not allowing students to leave the county of Princeton where they’re located for the semester. This is madness. Yale is requiring all students to quarantine alone in their dorm rooms when they return despite the fact that all of the university is double vaxxed and boosted. And they said that if you go off campus, you cannot eat at any restaurant, including outdoor seating.

I talked about yesterday, Stanford has eliminated all crowds for its sporting events indoors other than family members. There’s no data, there’s no science to support this at all. How do we get to a place, Buck, where ostensibly the universities filled with the smartest kids in our country are making the dumbest decisions when it comes to covid?

BUCK: Honestly, universities really aren’t that filled with smart kids these days. There is a lot of kids who are box checkers, a lot of kids who have some “in” and understand the system. And, yeah, there are brilliant kids with amazing boards and all that. But what about leadership and judgment and character? Those are things that are laughable now at the university level. They certainly don’t try to gauge that in the admissions process.

But even more importantly, they don’t even try to bring it out of kids when they’re there. They have speech codes. They have all of this touchy-feely, “Do what we say or else?” left-wing authoritarianism. For a school like Yale University to tell them right now — and really it’s essentially a hedge fund with some classes attached to it, as people say. This is true of a lot of these schools now.

For the Boomer generation, those who went to the super fancy schools, they have really great memories. College really helped them, helped their lives. I know plenty of kids — I grew up here in Manhattan — who went to the fanciest of the fancy schools. Some of them did fine. Some of them didn’t. It’s not the great ticket to greatness that people once thought it was maybe 30 or 40 years ago and beyond.

But to tell kids at Yale right now that you can’t sit outside at a restaurant and come back to campus when you are fully vaccinated? I even hate that term “fully vaccinated,” ’cause really no such thing, right? Vaccinated or not, at this point, you got the shot, okay? So who knows how long you’re even fully vaccinated for. No reasonable person would look at this policy and say, “This makes sense, this will do anything.”

Anything! In the beginning of this, Clay, we were being forced to deal with tyrannical overreach on the promise that would least save people or stop the spread or shut it down. Now we have tyrannical overreach despite the fact that it will not — and we all see it — do any of those things that it promises. All we get is downsides from those idiots.

CLAY: What’s also disappointing to me, Buck, is if you think about historically what college represented, it represented an opportunity to rebel, right? If you think back to the sixties and the seventies, it’s wild to even contemplate the Vietnam protests came, to a large extent, out of universities. People didn’t want to be in Vietnam. They didn’t want to get drafted. They didn’t think there should be a war there. They were fighting the system.

They were opposed to the larger culture that was trying to force them to undertake actions they did not believe were justified. There are no kids, to my knowledge, on any of these campuses that are saying, “Wait a minute. We listened to you and got double vaccinated. We got boostered. We’ve worn masks around for months on this campus. The promise that you sold us was rooted in fallacy.

“It is a lie. We are no safer from covid on this campus after all these things have done than we were beforehand.” Yet none of these kids to my knowledge are willing to stand up to authority at all. They’re terrified still somehow that they’re gonna die of covid and they’re acquiescing to the power of authority figures.

BUCK: This is true also with a lot of the problems that we saw with the U Penn swimmer situation whereby these kids at these elite institutions — and they’re young adults. These are adults. They’re 18 plus. So these are young adults. They are trying to leverage the system themselves, and look, I went to the best school that I thought I should go to and, Clay, you went to a fancy law school.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t do that, but what I am pointing out is that people will not stand against the system when they’re within it and hoping to benefit from it. So at Yale, you want to be the kid — or at any of these schools, you want to be the kid — who says the administration’s policies on covid are moronic? You might not get that Goldman Sachs interview next fall, and this is what ends up happening. They’re in these places not for the education, not for the certainly moral and ethical training. They’re there to be a part of the system that has embraced this lunacy.

CLAY: I’m just so disappointed, Buck, that more of them are not smart enough to look at the data and make their own decisions, and it is really disappointing to see — maybe more so than anything else — how many people not only are comfortable being sheep, how many people are trying to constantly ensure that there are as many sheep as possible in this country. Maybe I’m just a natural skeptic and a natural person who wants to not to accept what authority figures tell me. But if you’re not doing that at 18, 19, 20 years old, when are you ever gonna do it?

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Manhattan’s New Soros DA Tells NYC What to Expect

5 Jan 2022

BUCK: A lot of the suffering that’s occurring across the country right now is the result of Democrat machinery and apparatuses that are inflicting bad ideas, acting on bad policies, and then don’t change because it’s not about the outcome. It’s about the intent, right? So it doesn’t matter to the Democrat Party that shutting down schools is disastrous and wasn’t necessary and doesn’t promote health and doesn’t stop the spread. That’s what teachers unions want, and they’re betraying children and they’re betraying the very educational mission they’re supposed to have.

But teachers unions are important. The machinery is important to the Democrat Party. The machinery of prosecutors’ offices — and welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. The machinery of prosecutors’ offices across the country and increasingly people we are recognizing as the Soros-backed district attorneys have caused a tremendous amount of suffering, very real suffering.

You know, it’s one thing when you talk about inflation or you talk about the unemployment rate and they can say, “Well, it’s not our fault” or “It’s better than it was.” When people are being bludgeoned in the street, when someone is let out on bail immediately and then goes on to commit a mass murder in Waukesha, Wisconsin, and we still haven’t heard what the official motive is there, have we?

Exactly what we thought all along. They didn’t want to talk about what was a mass-murder hate crime. Instead, they just said, “We don’t know. We don’t know, and then we’ll talk about something else. But we have these district attorneys in places like — Clay and I have talked about it many times — Larry Krasner in Philadelphia, Chesa Boudin in San Francisco, Kim Foxx in Chicago, go down the list.

And now we have a new district attorney in Manhattan in America’s largest city, and this guy has already right off the bat shown everybody exactly what they should expect. Alvin Bragg has said in a memo that his office will not seek “a carceral sentence,” also known as “prison time.” This is now the word. Anytime you hear someone start talking about ending mass incarceration, “the carceral state,” this is the language of the left in the realm of criminal justice.

It’s a tell right away. Had you even heard the term “carceral”? This is like three or four years ago, if you heard someone say “cisgender,” they were effectively telling you that, you know, they voted for Hillary and Biden or Bernie and they like tofu a lot and they are left wing and they wear Birkenstocks. Right? There are certain tells you have through language. “Carceral state” is something you talk about as a left-wing person.

Clay, here’s what Alvin Bragg is now saying — as the new district attorney in New York — they will not seek prison time for. They will not seek it for a number of offenses, including some with at least the threat of violence like armed robbery. “The rule is that only in extraordinary circumstances,” he wrote in this memo, “based on a holistic analysis of the facts, can you actually accept these rules,” meaning that they do not want people to go to prison for these things unless there’s an extraordinary circumstance.

So the people bringing the charges… In some ways, this is even worse than a very left-wing judge because the actual machinery of bringing the charges in the first place so the public even knows about it is in the hands of people who are being told if someone sticks a gun in a New Yorker’s face and says, “Give me your car, give me your wallet,” and they don’t actually shoot them, maybe we shouldn’t send that person to prison. Clay, to call this madness after what we’ve seen with defund the police, the massive rise in violent crime across the country is an understatement. But this is left-wing Democrat ideology now. This is about belief, not about facts.

CLAY: And it’s also as I point out, I think it’s significant to understand what’s happened here. All of this soft-on-crime political shenanigans is predicated on low crime rates, because being upset about the amount of time that criminals are imprisoned is a luxury of low crime rates. And what we are seeing now is skyrocketing crime rates.

BUCK: We’ve seen it for a long time to be fair, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So how we get here is the low crime rates. But we’re at high crime rates now.

CLAY: We have seen from 2019 to 2020, Buck, was the largest single-year increase in murders on record for the FBI. Nearly 30%. And we’re going to grow from 2020’s all-time highs to higher rates in 2021. And the crazy thing here is, Buck, the one thing that Joe Biden might have gotten right in his political career was the 1994 crime bill, which if you go book and look, was a seismic step towards putting criminals behind bars.

And as you just read and analyzed what the DAs all over the country with going to be doing, remember criminals know what is going to happen too. So you are sending a message to criminals to encourage them — in some ways — to commit crimes because they know the punishment, if they are caught, when the vast majority of them will not be caught, are going to be relatively insignificant.

I think what you’re headed for is a war between oftentimes Democratic mayors — ’cause I think Eric Adams is not gonna be happy about this. Remember London Breed in San Francisco basically said she was tired of all of this crap. I think you’re gonna see a war between mayors — internal war, Democrats — between mayors who understand how failed these policies are and district attorneys funded by George Soros who are still trying to argue against putting people in prison.

BUCK: We should look at what the justification is for this as well. Now, remember, some of the primary changes. We always talk about defund the police, and that covers a whole lot of stuff ideologically speaking. Yes, it’s of course money for cops. But when someone says they’re a defund-the-police advocate, they’re also about “ending mass incarceration.”

That’s the key phrase they’ll say. You’ll say, “What is that? Are you telling me we have a lot of innocent people in prison?” No, they’re not actually saying we have that many. It’s not that a huge portion of the people that are serving prison sentences are innocent. It’s that the system itself shouldn’t be putting them in prison because it’s too harsh, it’s too mean, and there’s “disparities” involved.

This is actually from that memo that he put out. The district attorneys that work for… These are the ADAs, the assistant district attorneys that work for Alvin Bragg in New York, have to look at what “a carceral sentence does to potential future barriers to convicts involving housing and employment, the financial cost of prison and racial disparities over who is prosecuted and gets time.”

That is where we’re heading here, folks. I mean, you have to understand, they’re basically saying because — and let me point it out to everybody this way: Ninety percent of violent crime in this country is perpetrated by men. Men are the ones who serve prison time for violent crimes. Now, we could sit around and say, “Oh, you know, that’s…”

CLAY: Sexist. You could argue that our incarceration rates are sexist because men are wildly over-punished relative to population, based on just pure male-versus-female population.

BUCK: And yet we also all know that men are the ones who are actually committing the crimes and need to be punished for it. It doesn’t matter what the percentages are. There’s no quotas for crime. And what you see with the Soros-backed left-wing prosecutors is, “Well, because there are disparities in the system just about the overall percentages of who’s in prison, there must be racism.

“There must be…” I mean, I guess there’s not sexism, but there must be other disparities that have to be addressed. And so the way that they’re addressing it is by suggesting that the public’s interest in safety will be served by letting somebody who’s an armed robber, for example, out. Clay, we’re talking about no prison time.

CLAY: Yeah, I know.

BUCK: It’s not even a reduction. No prison time.

CLAY: It’s crazy. And, by the way, to your point on sexism, look, there are right now… You can look at murders. We like to talk about murders ’cause we know they happened. It’s hard to hide a dead body. So the most violent crime that can be committed is a murder. Men between 18 and 24 are the biggest proponents of murder, the biggest culprits of murder, the people most likely to do it.

But you know what? Six percent of the population is black men, right? Black men make up on her half of all murders that are committed in the United States. That occurred, right? We know that crime occurs. So sometimes the reason why there is a disparate treatment — I know this is gonna blow people’s mind — is because the people who are responsible for it… Just as you said, Buck.

When it comes to men are more responsible for violent crime than women, there is a large percentage of murder that is occurring committed by black men. Are we not supposed to punish them because of their race? Are we supposed to be upset? We have to look at the data — and this is what the whole broken windows concept was. Find the neighborhoods where the crime is and go try to stop it from happening. That needs to happen everywhere.

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Welcome to the Party, Pal! Lib NYT Journo Agrees with Us

4 Jan 2022

CLAY: I know you saw this as well because you are living right now in New York City which is the epicenter yet again of all covid outbreaks.

BUCK: I am your Siberia communism correspondent while this is going on, yes.

CLAY: We are over a million cases now, and I was talking with friend who came by the house earlier today. He was like, “Yeah, everybody in my house had it. We just took the home test, and everybody had it.” So we have a million confirmed cases right now. How many more cases are there from people who are just like, “Yeah, I don’t feel that well. I’m gonna stay home. I’m taking a home test,” and they aren’t actually reported in the official numbers? Joe Biden said that he was going to shut down… I’m not gonna shut down covid. I’m gonna shut down the economy. That was basically his entire 2020 presidential campaign.

BUCK: He’s not gonna shut down the economy, he’s gonna shut down covid.

CLAY: Did I flip it? Yeah, well, he’s managed to shut down none of covid. And now we’re dealing with the threat of potential shutdowns and, Buck, you and I were texting about this last night. Toronto — and I know we have a lot of Canadian listeners out there. Toronto, Ontario, the province, has basically just shut down just like it’s March of 2020 all over again. Are you nervous now in New York City that New York, L.A., Chicago, some of these cities that have followed the lead of Toronto? Are you nervous that shutdowns are coming?

BUCK: Yeah. Limited shutdowns, I think, are gonna hit a number of cities across the country. You’re gonna see this with us. The school system here already is under the kind of pressure that has led to some schools to just declare they don’t have staff to be open. But I think what’s interesting is, okay, well, how much of this is really just because of overwhelmed staff because of caseload?

There is some data to suggest — and, remember, this is after we had the citywide mandate, covid vaccine mandates for employees, Clay. Right now, you have in New York… Remember, when we’re talking New York… I know we have a big New York audience, but for folks the rest of the country, what happens here is always replicated elsewhere. Right? New York tends to be the place that goes first, and then it’s L.A. and San Fran and Chicago and Atlanta or wherever, right? It goes all around.

CLAY: Washington, D.C., Philly.

BUCK: Washington, D.C., not as much Atlanta, but D.C., Philly. Here’s what we got. The NYPD has about 5,000 of its 35,000 uniformed officers out sick as of yesterday. Almost 2,000 of those cops had covid, 3,000 experiencing flu-like symptoms. FDNY, which is the fire department for New York, says 30% of its 4,200 EMS staff and 18% of its 11,000 firefighters out sick. So what you have is two things simultaneously, Clay.

You have such a high caseload and such a concern among the Fauciites about how we’re gonna stop this. You have these two factors. So it’s not just, “Are we gonna shut down to stop cases?” It’s there are so many cases that you may go into de facto shutdowns or something close to it of things like the school system. We’ll see what happens with restaurants. What an amazing success vaccine mandates the vaccine mandate program was.

CLAY: That’s what I was gonna say. Can you imagine how many people would be missing work if they hadn’t gotten their vaccines and hadn’t been mandated to receive them? Now, this is where I wanted to go. A guy named David Leonhardt… I don’t want to really tee off on him although it is ridiculous. He works at the New York Times, and he wrote a piece this morning which is being widely circulated in liberal circles, and I know this because of several of my friends who are left wingers.

I’ve got a lot of liberal friends. They texted me and they said, “Man, New York Times is finally saying this.” They listen to our show and, by the way, I think as the definition of what is liberal has just gone so far left wing. We have tons of people right now listening to us who would otherwise consider themselves to be Democrats that are just searching for sanity.

And it’s one reason why I think our audience has been growing so much because the left has gone so far left, they’ve left this massive, huge void of normal, reasonable people that we’re trying to appeal to in the middle part of the country. But this guy in the New York Times this morning wrote, “American children are starting 2022 in crisis.” Welcome to the party, pal, in the immortal words of —

BUCK: Die Hard, Bruce Willis.

CLAY: “I have long been aware…” I know you’re great at all 1980s —

BUCK: Action movies. We might have to bring back Action Movie Quote Friday at some point. But continue.

CLAY: He says, “I have long been aware that the pandemic was upending children’s lives. But until I spent time pulling together data and reading reports, I did not understand just how alarming the situation had become.” This is… I just think this is amazing. Again, he wrote an entire piece, and the headline is, “No Way to Grow Up — For the past two years, Americans have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults.”

And again, that’s really defining “harm” broadly in terms of less harm for adults. But, Buck, he acts like this data hasn’t been readily apparent for the last two years and that you and I and all of the people on Team Sanity haven’t been pulling our hair out trying to share all this data.

BUCK: Fauciites have normalized and actually mandated child abuse. If you were a third-grade teacher and you didn’t like what Little Bobby or Little Sally said in the classroom and made them strap a cloth around their face and sit outside in the freezing cold as punishment, you’d get locked up. And, by the way, you should.

CLAY: So, that’s a hundred percent true.

BUCK: But when you do this because you’re so scared of the covid, even after you’re vaccinated and, oh, all the things we’ve been told? Even after all these months of social distancing and masking up, that’s considered normal. Children have been sacrificed on the altar of neurotic libs who watch too much CNN, who believe Fauci, who are caught in this echo chamber of social media making them crazier and crazier about this all the time.

And what I think you’re beginning to see now is the concern that, remember, we’re going into a midterm year. And as much as the neurotic 30% of America, unfortunately, that still thinks we have to mask up and double mask and… I mean, the photos of the secretary of defense with a mask on and a shield in front of his mask looking like a total moron are absolutely hilarious.

CLAY: And he still got covid!

BUCK: The guy just got covid. So he’s vaccinated, masked up, shielded up, and just got covid and is telling everybody, “Oh, it could be so much worse.” He doesn’t know that. All this stuff they say is unfalsifiable. But, Clay, here’s, I think, the fundamental challenge they have right now as we’re talking about lockdowns and everything else. Their power is going to be at risk if this keeps up.

The 30% of lunatic libs are starting to see reality, but they know that there is this middle portion of the country that they’re gonna need to go along with them, the people that believe Biden would “shut down the virus and not the economy.” The leftist loons understand that they may get annihilated unless they come up with a coherent narrative here. Because what did we have with Biden so far, the regime on covid? Abject, undeniable failure.

CLAY: I want to build on the idea that you just laid out ’cause I hadn’t really thought about it in that context, and I bet there’s a lot of parents out there that are gonna be thinking about this now, ’cause it’s a great analogy. In 2019, if you had your kid in elementary school and the kid came home and they said, “The teacher was really upset with me so the teacher made me go outside in the cold and sit on a…”

BUCK: A bucket. They’re making them sits on buckets.

CLAY: A bucket. Sit on a bucket. “It was sleeting outside. They made me wear a mask. They stood near me and made me pull my mask back up in between each of my bites and/or drinks as punishment for the way that I had behaved in class,” that teacher would be charged probably with child abuse and would probably lose their job. And if there was video of it or if there were photos of it, it would have gone viral and everybody would have said, “What in the world is happening at our public schools?” Yet that has become a standard operating procedure for many left-wing communities all over our country and people are trying to treat it like it’s normal. It’s child abuse.

BUCK: There’s this thing that keeps happening, and it’s been happening for a long time. You’ll see photos of covid measures somewhere. Schools are the worst and it’s because the teachers unions are communist-run loony bins where they just are really about adults. They pretend to be about kids. So the schools — and they’re right now advocating, as we know, for remote learning ,which means teachers get paid to stay home and do whatever they want all day long.

CLAY: Virtually no learning actually takes place.

BUCK: Exactly. But when you see these photos of people or of children in the class and you always have to stop and say, “Hold on. Has this been Photoshopped?” Because are they really putting kids… I mean, you might have… A lot of folks listening might have seen this last night on Tucker’s show. He had that photo of the children doing band practice. It was like high school kids all in individual plastic pods, and they’ve had this in Germany, too, where it’s like, “Oh, looks like a Plexiglas beach ball.”

CLAY: I’ve seen this. Yes.

BUCK: And you see these things, and you say, “No intelligent person could believe this works.” But, Clay, I just went this morning. I walked past the coffee shop on my corner. They’ve redone all the Plexiglas dividers as if that’s going to do anything.

CLAY: It actually makes things worse.

BUCK: It limits airflow and creates pockets of greater viral concentration, according to the actual studies they’ve done on this. Friends, the only way this ends, if we can give you one takeaway — because if you’re hoping that there’s a level of lunacy that’s going to make Randi Weingarten, the chief commissar of the teachers union… If you’re hoping that she’s gonna put your kids’ interests first, you’re gonna be hoping for the rest of your life.

Never gonna happen. The only thing that turns this around is an absolute repudiation of the party behind all this, and that means annihilation of the power that the Democrats have. And just on the Fauci point with the institutionalizing — and I will defend this to the hilt — of child abuse that has been pushed by Democrats, if Dr. Fauci was not an immoral coward… I’m not expecting him to be right on everything, right? I was even…

A few months ago I said, “I think the winter could be bad. I don’t know.” Right? We don’t know everything. We don’t get everything right here. But we tell people we get right and wrong. Put that aside. Fauci not speaking up about children masking up between bites outside in the cold as excessive shows you that he is a coward. He is immoral. The people who support him are complicit in it, and all he really cares about is what the CNN producers and greenroom think about his pronouncements. That is it. Your kids don’t matter.

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DeSantis: Biden’s Seizing Monoclonals, Causing Deaths

4 Jan 2022

BUCK: Here is Governor DeSantis of Florida pointing out that the Biden regime has inserted itself at the top of the monoclonal antibody distribution chain with bad results, unsurprisingly.

DESANTIS: With the monoclonals, that is absolutely leading to people dying because we saw when we put in our sites this summer in Florida to deal with the Delta wave, we kept tens of thousands of people out of the hospital. We saved thousands of lives by providing that treatment. So that should have been replicated in all these other states. But instead, what Biden and his cronies have done: They’ve seized control of all the monoclonal antibodies.

So, yes, when we were in a pinch, I bought some myself. None of the governors now are able to do that because the Feds have seized control. So we’re in a situation where we’ve now asked for 40,000 more every week because I have people that I could help, and they are holding onto it and they’re not distributing it.

BUCK: Clay, the only possible explanation for this is the federal government’s gross incompetence. It is either that or they’re trying to punish states or something. But I think it has to be incompetence. How could they not have known?

CLAY: Well, this is wild to think about, Buck, because when we didn’t have ventilators ready immediately in March of 2020, how many times did you see media members questioning — incredibly detailed — Donald Trump, “Are there gonna be enough ventilators? Can you guarantee that every single person in the United States who’s gonna need ventilators is going to be able to get one?”

Remember how much Andrew Cuomo griped all of the lack of supplies? And then what did Trump do? We brought in basically World War II-era laws to allow all of these big factories to be flipped so they could produce ventilators, and what did we end up with as Trump predicted we likely would? Millions of ventilators that effectively were not needed because the ventilation strategy, by and large, actually was shown to be mostly not helpful. You can correct me if I’m wrong on this. But the usage of ventilators… If you went on a ventilator, you were basically done and they found out that that wasn’t the best possible treatment.

BUCK: Absolutely. My understanding from doctors if any doctor out there listening has an update for this or correction, by all means ’cause we actually want to always get it right. We’re not sitting here as Fauci’s PR team. One way or the other, we actually just want to get it right. But as an absolute last resort ventilators should be used.

They found that different forms of giving people oxygen and even using steroidal inhalers and there are other things. So, yeah, of course. You mentioned the Defense Production Act, the usage of that that Trump brought to bear. But, Clay, your essential political point here is everything going wrong with covid was Donald Trump’s fault, according to the media. And where’s that with Biden now?

CLAY: And it was unpredictable, is the second part of this. The idea that we would need all of these supplies because a once-every-hundred-years pandemic had suddenly arisen was not very predictable in January, necessarily, of 2020, that in March of 2020 we were gonna need all these things. But it was eminently predictable if you looked at what was going on when Joe Biden took office in January that we might need… I’ll just toss it out there.

I think the testing idea is wildly overvalued in general because if you don’t feel well, stay home. As I have said for years, I’ve had the flu before. I’ve never tested positive for the flu. I’ve just stayed home until I felt better. That’s how we treated almost every illness unless you were so ill that you needed to go to the hospital. You don’t need to get tested to confirm that you had a case of the flu. I think that’s mostly true for a large number of people out there with covid.

Whether it’s a flu, whatever it is, if you have a fever and you don’t feel well? Stay home. I mean, that’s the general proposition. But, Buck, the idea that we might need tests or that we might need any more of these monoclonal antibodies, that we might need supportive drugs that were something other than the, quote, “vaccine” was not some crazy idea. It should have been and was eminently predictable for reasonably intelligent people.

BUCK: I will also wonder and I can put this out there and we should ask Senator Rand Paul maybe in the third hour of this — who again is an MD, ’cause this is always a thing. You’re not allowed to have any opinions on policy that the libs don’t like unless you’re a medical doctor and then if you are a medical doctor even a very esteemed one who, I don’t know, was involved in the initial research for mRNA vaccines they deplatform you and shut you down and say, “See? All the doctors agree! Shut up, you doctor over here. You don’t count,” right?

CLAY: Which, by the way, doctors tell us all the time. Why do so few doctors speak out? They’re terrified.

BUCK: Well, of course.

CLAY: If they have a nonconsensus opinion they’re gonna get deplatformed, shut down, they’re gonna have consequences in their work.

BUCK: Never before have we had a situation where there was a concerted effort to deny hospital privileges and deny medical licenses to people for speaking out about issues of tremendous public importance in the health realm that are deeply contentious and that are still evolving. This has been horrific.

I mean, you talk about the free speech concerns we have when you’re looking at the social media platforms. Think about the effect this has had on the public conversations about health and the way that this has skewed things in a certain direction. I mean, what I was gonna say is for doctors out there… We’ve mentioned this before, Clay, but to me, Israel’s on its fourth shot?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s not anymore what we think of at least — and maybe we have to adjust the definitions like we do have everything else — a vaccine. That’s a therapeutic. Not saying it doesn’t help people avoid hospitalization and death. Not contesting that data. That data is real. But it works for about 60 to 90 days it seems and then it dramatically decreases. And we also don’t know, does it work even in that narrow slice of preventing hospitalization and death?

Does that work for six months? Does that work for a year? How long does that continue on? So is this a therapeutic, essentially. That’s one part of it, and the other part of it would be, why haven’t we had more focus like monoclonal antibodies on these therapeutics that we know are helpful? And I think it shows you that you know how the New York state governor here, Hochul?

We have the worst… You know, it must be nice. You have some decent politicians in your state. We have the worst politicians in the state of New York. Tennessee’s got some good folks. She has like the vaccine necklace on. I think that they were blinded by the fact that they became monomaniacal against vaccines, and that turned them against monoclonals. They just wanted to focus on this one thing.

CLAY: I think there’s a strong argument for that and the result is going to be, unfortunately, many people who could benefit immensely from monoclonals are not going to have access to that treatment because there was an obsession with the idea that this vaccine not only must everyone take it but that it worked infallibly. And, Buck, you didn’t even point it out, but I think it’s a question worth asking that medical minds are starting to be allowed to discuss.

If we’re talking about four shots, which Israel is, in the space of roughly a year in order to protect against covid because the “vaccine” — in quotation marks, the covid shot — wanes in efficacy so quickly, why would you think…? Most things, most things in life… Take it away from medicine. Most things in life, the more you use them, the less effective they become in terms of promoting a response from your body. Easy example.

And this is something I’m taking it outside of the world of medicine. If you work out for the first couple of days and you haven’t done it before, your body responds — anybody who’s ever done this, your body responds — in a big way. You’re super sore, right? When you work out four days a week, then what happens? Your body gets used to it and it adjusts, and it becomes accepting of what you’re putting your body through.

Why would we presume that every shot, Buck, is going to have the same effect when we’re talking about shot eight or nine as opposed to shot one? The efficacy of these vaccines over time — when your body is loaded down with them — it seems quite straightforward and logical to ask, “Is it going to continue to provoke the same response?”

BUCK: And I do think it’s so important to look at the recent past as a means of trying to understand the present that we’re in. Again, this is now numerous cities talking about shutting down schools. An article in the New York Times — which is commie but there’s some smart people, they’re just smart commies who work there and they’re writing about the damage to children, the deep psychological damage, the huge…

We know this is horrible. We know there’s a tremendous learning loss. We’re still having conversations now, though, about shutting down schools in some places. And I just remind people think about how the conversation has changed in the last 90 days, you don’t even hear the term. Note how it just faded away. They never took stock of it. Breakthrough case doesn’t exist anymore.

CLAY: That’s a good point.

BUCK: There’s no such thing as a breakthrough case because this is a breakthrough pandemic because the vaccines failed to stop the spread. You don’t even hear the words anymore, Clay. I wonder why.

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Rand Paul: If We Win, I’ll Subpoena Fauci and His Records

4 Jan 2022

CLAY: We’re joined now by Senator and Doctor Rand Paul from the great state of Kentucky where, by the way, they managed to get a 10th win in the bowl game under Coach Mark Stoops. Nice win over Iowa. Sorry, Hawkeye fans. We bring in Senator Paul. And, Senator, congratulations on your announcement that you’re going to be running for another term. I know many people in the state of Kentucky were excited about that. Was it a tough decision for you? How much time did you spend making this choice?

SEN. PAUL: You know, the hard part for me has always been deciding for my first love — well, actually my first love is my wife. But my second love would be medicine. And between continuing to do eye surgery… I’m able to do a little bit on the side, pro bono or free eye surgery. But I can’t really own or have a practice. And so the decision to stay out of that for another six years is a big decision that weighs on me. But I figure that I’m gonna continue to try to do charitable surgery when I can and combine the two.

I also look at it this way. If I’m not up here, I think people will give Fauci a pass, you know? If I’m not up here to point out that he covered up where the origin of the virus was, I don’t know who will. If I’m not up here to talk about gain-of-function research, the idea that they were juicing these viruses up to make super viruses. If we win in 2022, I could well be a chairman of a committee that’s able to subpoena Fauci and his records, bring him forward, and I’ll do that.

And I think that sometimes even we have Republicans we think we like sometimes they don’t have the guts to bring people forward and force them to produce records. But I feel strongly that if this virus came from in a lab, by golly, we must never let this happen again. I don’t think anybody’s done a damn thing to prevent this from happening again.

BUCK: Senator and Dr. Paul, thanks for being with us, as always. You see these case numbers, all-time records, I mean, which homicide even for those of us who thought we were gonna be in for a somewhat rough winter the fact of the matter is when you’re sitting all-time records — even including where we were before there were any vaccines, before we knew very much at all about this virus — it’s pretty stunning for folks, particularly those of us who are in places that are hard hit like the Northeastern Corridor. It feels like there is no honesty nor any humility from the public health apparatus at the federal level in particular in this country about what has to be viewed as a failure. Is it not a failure of many of the policies like vaccine mandates, for example, that we’ve seen?

SEN. PAUL: I think we should gain and learn humility. The fact that even in the era of modern medicine, we can’t completely control the outcome of viral pandemics. And right now we have very little control over Omicron. We are much Better at treating it. We’re saving a lot more lives and the death rate and the mortality has gone way down with this. There are many that are predicting that this is now the transformation of a deadly flu into a more common cold.

We have four coronaviruses that make up 20% of the common colds. There are many people, many, many scientists now that this will become the fifth one, and it may be Omicron is a blessing in disguise that. Having 500,000 people get it, you’re simply conferring immunity to the vast majority of them, and it does help. With helps with immunity to the more serious cases too.

So if you get Omicron, a much less serious disease, it will give you immunity to Delta and also to the original wild type as well. So this is a way of sorting getting nature’s booster or nature’s vaccine. Now, we’re gonna know more in about two or three weeks ’cause we’ll be past the rising cases, and we’ll see what the death rate does. But in other countries, it looks like the death rate has not risen like previous waves and that we’re getting a lot of immunity without the death rate, which would be good for all of us.

CLAY: Senator, what should we do to China over their failure to share basic honest data with us over their lies, over their continued cover-ups. I’m fired up on the fact that we’re even going to the Winter Olympics and that we’re sending our athletes to Beijing almost feels like bending the knee to China in many ways. I understand it from an Olympics perspective.

It’s frustrating ’cause I don’t feel like we have great options. What should we do, what would a Republican-controlled Senate, in your mind, and a Republican-controlled House be able to do going forward? You mentioned hearings. But what should the consequences to China being from their behavior associated with covid?

SEN. PAUL: Number one: Don’t send ’em another penny for any reason. Don’t send ’em any kind of scientific equipment, technology. Do not fund their research where they’re still doing this same kind of research, and they’re also militarizing some of this. None of this should be shared with them, and none of it should be sent to them. In every international forum we’re in, we shouldn’t allow any international forums to send ’em money as well.

If they’re in an international forum, we should gang up with all of the other countries and say, “You want to be in the WHO, you want to be in the World Trade Organization, you want to be in the United Nations? You’re going to have to give an explaining. There will be a reckoning over what happened here, and you will have to produce this information,” because all of the scientific information now shows that in all likelihood this came from the lab.

They tested 80,000 animals. They couldn’t find any animals with covid. They tested the blood of 9,000 Chinese from Wuhan from 2019, and none of them had covid. And you would expect if this were coming on and it came from animals, it would have had to have developed gradually over several months. When this thing showed up it showed up with this enormous blip in sort of December, January indicating that this thing probably came straight from lab.

So, yes, they should be punished. The first thing, the one thing we can control is no more money. I introduced an amendment two months ago now that passed overwhelmingly in the Senate to say no more funding to the Wuhan lab, but Nancy Pelosi’s blocked the legislation in the House and it sits idly there. I think they’ll try to strip it also in conference committee if they ever pass the bill that it was on.

But we shouldn’t give them any money. We should ostracize them. We should condemn what they did. But the bottom line is we should be having international if not national conversations about should any government be funding gain-of-function research. There are many, many prominent scientists who are not partisans, some of them have privately said, “Well, we really don’t like Republicans, and we really don’t like you, but on this gain-of-function we’re absolutely with you.

“There need to be more government regulations as far as can government money go to funding where we create viruses that don’t exist in nature that could end up killing half of the world.” This will have a 1% mortality in the end. That’s a lot of people. What if this virus had had 15% or 50%? And the Democrats have not allowed one investigative hearing on this. If and when I’m chairman of a committee in 2022, we’ll subpoena all of Fauci’s records.

We’ll subpoena him under oath, and we will subpoena all of his assistants and associates under oath, we will get to the bottom of this. I absolutely think that there was a cover-up, that he was scared to death when this thing came out and that he and his assistants and all of his colleagues, they gathered and circled their wagons to try to prevent any information to come out.

We now know that he and Dr. Collins immediately attacked other epidemiologists who disagreed with them in an organized way, plotting with other government officials to condemn the Great Barrington Declaration, which simply said that we should try our best to get and save those who are most vulnerable — the elderly — from this.

BUCK: Speaking to Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator, where do we go from here? I think for a lot of people who are in states that have taken a more fact- and reason-based posture for a long time now, maybe it feels like the status quo is pretty sustainable. In some of the bluer states it feels like we’re enter the mania all over again. What happens now? When do you think the tide finally turns such that people no longer will give up their basic liberties and allow for this autocratic nonsense to continue with all these measures, all these “mitigations,” as Fauci calls them?

SEN. PAUL: I think the tide has turned. I saw a clip on CNN the other day, and I don’t recommend watching unless you have anti-emetics or something, but I watched it for a couple of minutes, and I saw a woman on there who’s been terrible on everything. She’s an infectious disease doctor and she’s been terrible on everything, and she admitted on CNN, of all places, that wearing a cloth mask is just wearing facial decoration.

So when on CNN they begin to admit that we were sold a bill of goods on these cloth masks, then I think it’s beginning to turn, that maybe even the left wing will tire particularly of wearing a mask that doesn’t have any anti-infectious value. The cloth masks have absolutely no value other than theater, and even CNN’s now admitting that. So I think it is starting to turn. You’re getting many, many doctors from many, many different viewpoints who now are not afraid of Fauci, they’re coming out and they’re saying, “Guess what?

“This lessening of lethality of Omicron and increased transmissibility may end up being nature’s form of a vaccine. It may be now that everybody gets Omicron and it becomes another one of the cold viruses,” and that’s what our hope is. And we should be optimistic that then we can quit doing the lockdowns. But the only way to get rid of the lockdowns is you have to quit testing people who don’t have any symptoms. This is the first time in the history of modern medicine we’ve tested people without symptoms.

We need to quit testing prophylactically the whole world, because what we’re finding is it ramifies out and we’re getting people who aren’t sick. We’re shutting them down, quarantining them and you can’t even get a plane anymore ’cause half the crew’s gone. They’re not sick, they have no symptoms, but they’ve been in some kind of mandatory testing program, and it’s going to eventually shut down the whole economy.

CLAY: Senator Paul, are you worried at all about the idea of boosters being required for people? We’re talking about in Israel. I’m sure you’ve seen, they’re starting on a fourth shot now, a second booster. What would you advise people as it comes to boosters, and are you concerned at all — we were talking about this earlier on the show — about a waning efficacy if you continue to give people shots for covid and what that might mean into the future?

SEN. PAUL: If you’re over 65 or have some health problems or you’re overweight at almost any age, probably the booster is not an unreasonable thing. I don’t think the proof is entirely there that the first two shots might not be enough for you because really what we’re doing is reducing significant hospitalization and death. Now, some people say, “Oh, well, their antibodies are low.” Well, your antibodies are only part of the immune system.

You also have B memory cells and T memory sells, and there’s a host of cells who come together through the immune system to attack viruses. What we do know is that people who have been vaccinated can catch it again, and even people like myself who have been infected can catch it again. But you have pre-existing immunity now. So the facts are — and this is something that CDC should reveal — the secondary infections are very, very mild.

What I’d like to know is, if there are tens of thousands of people like me who haven’t been vaccinated but had the disease, are any of them going to the hospital? Are any of them dying? What percentage of them are? Isn’t it extraordinary the CDC does not release any information on natural immunity? They’re really not releasing even the information on reinfections of those who are vaccinated.

Are they hospitalized? Are they dying? Is it a very small percentage? Is it one in a million or it is one in a hundred? I mean, wouldn’t we want to know all of these things before we decide to boost the whole world? But the boosting of teenagers, particularly teenage males, I think it’s malpractice. If you are thinking about your teenage male son, I would get them tested for antibodies to see if they already are the disease. If you want to vaccinate them, I would consider one vaccine.

Most of the myocarditis has come from Moderna and 90% of the myocarditis has come with the second shot. So I think a booster would probably be malpractice for a 15-year-old boy, but schools are requiring it. The idiocy of some of our top-ranked schools… Harvard’s supposed to be this great school, we have to have perfect scores to get in, and they’re requiring a booster for young males who in all likelihood have a greater risk now of myocarditis from a third booster than they do from getting the disease?

So this is really bad, bad science, and I blame really Fauci for most of it because he’s the top of the food chain. He directs it. He ignores science. He’s full of a lot of opinions and dictates but he’s ignored the science to the point of being malpractice and the advice that a young teenage male get a booster. That is absolute malpractice.

BUCK: Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, sir, thanks for being with us. Appreciate it.

SEN. PAUL: Thank you.

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Biden Targets New Villains: The Unboosted

4 Jan 2022

CLAY: Biden was talking here in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Let’s first play cut 30. Joe Biden says, if you’re vaccinated and boosted, you’re highly protected. If you’re unvaccinated, you should be alarmed.

BIDEN: We have booster shots for the whole notion, okay? (sputters) You could still get covid, but it’s highly unlikely, very unlikely that you’ll become seriously ill. And we’re seeing covid-19 cases among vaccinated in workplaces across America, including here at the White House. But if you’re vaccinated and boosted, you are highly protected. You know (pause), be concerned about Omicron, but don’t be alarmed.

If you’re unvaccinated, you have some reason to (sputters) be alarmed. Many of you will, y’know, uh, uh, uh (sputters), you know — you’ll experience severe illness many cases if you get covid-19 if you’re understand vaccinated. Some will die, needlessly die. Unvaccinated are taking up hospital beds and crowding emergency rooms and intensive care units. That’s the place other people need access to those hospitals. So please, please, please, get vaccinated now.

BUCK: Let’s be very clear about something. He is — and it’s happening in real time. You’re actually hearing the propaganda come out of his mouth. He is intentionally now conflating this perception of the unvaccinated and the unboosted. This is what he’s saying. You can hear it. He says, “If you are vaccinated and boosted, you are very unlikely to be hospitalized or die from covid.” The reason he’s saying that is because as we know the data reflects if you’re just vaccinated, you’re maybe still going to the hospital.

The numbers aren’t nearly as strong. So what he’s doing here is suggesting that essentially if you are not vaccinated and boosted, you are becoming part of the unvaccinated, unwashed masses, so to speak. This is what’s happening in real time because notice how he keeps throwing those two things together. We know from the U.K. data that just vaccination alone was not sufficient.

CLAY: 80% of the people dying.

BUCK: Correct.

CLAY: For people out there who missed the data there, the distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated — I think you’re right talking about the booster element — 80% of the people dying in the U.K. were vaccinated in recent months. Like in January, 80% of the people. We had Senator Ron Johnson on talking about that. We had Alex Berenson on sharing that data, which doesn’t get discussed very much. And, by the way, you just heard Rand Paul say, our CDC doesn’t even give us this date, right? They’ve done such an awful job of sharing that data.

BUCK: They don’t want to keep it, but you see what’s happening now. The same way that you can tell there has been this shift in the rhetoric away from breakthrough cases —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — as we’ve discussed, they don’t even discuss breakthrough cases anymore ’cause it’s like all breakthrough cases pretty much now all over the place. So that’s one aspect of it. But the other one is that soon you’re seeing this transition. It’s gonna happen over the next 30 days. The unboosted are going to be treated like — it’s already happening in New York where there’s a booster mandate, everybody, not just a vaccine mandate, a booster mandate on the books that’s supposed to go into effect.

Now will take some weeks ’cause first shot, et cetera, et cetera. But a cleavage is occurring right now from which if you are unwilling to go along with the booster program, they are going to start viewing you and treating you as just the, quote, “unvaccinated” even though millions and millions of people got the vaccine, so to speak, and don’t want to get the booster, they’ll be in the unvaxxed category soon based on the Biden regime approach. It’s going to happen.

CLAY: You’re gonna be joining me, ’cause you’ve got the Spirit Airlines Johnson & Johnson vaccine which had almost no impact but you don’t want to get boostered and there are millions of people out there — tens of millions based on the data — that listened and said, “Hey, you know what? I’m gonna go get the vaccine, I’m gonna listen, I’m gonna heed all of this instruction,” and now a lot of those people, Buck — and we hear from ’em every day — are saying, “Wait a minute.

“I trusted you when you told me to get the vaccinated. You told me if I got the vaccine I would neither get nor spread covid, that that would end my danger as either a spreader or a person who got it myself,” and instead now they are shifting that narrative to the vaccinated isn’t enough. You’ve gotta get boostered. That’s the reason why we’re having an issue now.

BUCK: And everyone should understand that we are now all gerbils on a wheel that Fauci keeps turning faster and faster, because, okay, maybe they make you submit in New York and other some places. Understand, in New York City now, I have no choice, you can’t actually go into employers now under New York law, crazy as this is in the city at least without being vaccinated. So there was gonna be no choice. They weren’t going to allow any choice in this.

That’s been clear all along. But if you don’t keep up with the… This is what I mean by the verbal — hamster wheel, gerbil, same thing right? They both do the wheel. If you don’t keep up with whatever the booster schedule is you then become a public health menace, you’re part of the unvaxxed hordes, and this is what some of us have been warning the country about for about six months.

CLAY: And here’s the question I have Buck and I think there’s a lot of people listening who are in my similar position. I don’t even know when I’m gonna be able to go to New York City anymore, right? Why would I travel to New York City? For people out there who don’t know, I had covid. I’ve not ever gotten any of the vaccines. Now I’m gonna be like three shots behind. I may end up being four shots behind soon. I’m not going to get the covid vaccine.

BUCK: They’re gonna meet you at the airport in haz-mat suits, Clay, at this rate. (laughing)

CLAY: Right. But there are tons of people out there listening to us who are like me who would have enjoyed going to New York City, have enjoyed going to Broadway plays, have enjoyed taking our kids to Central Park, have enjoyed the experience of taking a vacation in the summer or in a school holiday setting in New York City because that’s a huge part of the overall New York experience is the number of tourists that would come up there. Not to mention that I could come up for work or whatever reason. I legitimately don’t want to. My wife was joking about this with me recently. She was saying, “Hey, we just gotta get a map and we’re gonna have to start crossing out states where you’re not allowed to go basically.”

BUCK: And people have asked me upping going down to Florida for vacation and I say you I can’t, because I can count on it, because I know they’re not gonna shut down restaurants.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: They’re not gonna shut down flights. They’re not gonna do anything crazy. Yeah, it’d be nice to go to places. I have friend who are planning on going to Europe for New Year’s. That didn’t work out quite as well all kinds of testing requirements and restrictions. But just also the anxiety, and is this the intangible. For those of you listening who are not in blue-dominated city or a blue state, I’m just telling you, you can’t even begin to get a sense unless you spend time in those places, of how much anxiety there is.

It’s palpable. How everyone walks around… Not everybody. There are people like me that are the unmasked bandits but in general people walking around completely freaked out you got adults for a long time that are masking their kids and not masking themselves. This is really a society that’s like mentally imploding. I mean, that’s what’s actually happened in the blue states, and the fallout from this is gonna take a long time. There’s a lot of couch sessions coming up for people across America in the Democrat enclaves.

CLAY: No doubt, Buck. Look, I’m joking about it, but it’s actually true my wife and I were talking about, “Hey, where do we want to go on vacation this summer?” and we were legitimately crossing out states. And I think, by the way? I’ve never been to Montana. I’m a big fan of the Yellowstone television show. I think Montana is gonna get the Travis family tourist dollars where other states might have.

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