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Buck on Gutfeld: Crime, Commies and Space Scooters

6 Jan 2022

On Gutfeld, Buck discussed the Democrat-built, Soros-backed crime wave, commie teachers unions who harm our at-risk kids, wearing underwear as a mask, Bezos, space and soccer cannibalism — and the sexy new Sexton scooter.

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EIB 24/7: Clay & Buck’s Show Prep

6 Jan 2022

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Infuriating! Biden Silent As Chicago Teachers Refuse to Work

5 Jan 2022

BUCK: If you have to pick one thing right now that shows you the rotting core of the Democratic Party in the era of covid, I don’t think you could have a better example of it — I don’t think anything could be more clear — than what’s going on right now in the Windy City, Chicago: 330,000 students are shut out of school today. Why? Well, because the teachers union has decided that they want another paid vacation. They want to stay home and do, quote, “remote learning,” which — as we all know from the actual studies and experience of this — means effectively no learning at all.

The Chicago Teachers Union and school districts are in an impasse over what they call “covid-19 safety.” Here’s the impasse: The teachers union is very powerful, very important to Democrats, and they think they can get their way. Clay, there isn’t even an argument that they can make in good faith that schools should be shut down while restaurants, bars, clubs, you name it aren’t. Yes, they have vaccine passports, but they’re not closed. But they’re doing this anyway because they think they can get away with it.

CLAY: In the nation’s third largest city, Buck, after New York and L.A., there are 330,000 kids in Chicago that are not in school today because 77% of Chicago area schoolteachers voted not to go back to school in person because of covid. I got some numbers for you, Buck, because this goes to the essence of what I think is the most fundamental failure of everything we have done associated with covid. The poorest and the kids with the least advantages.

The Democrat Party, what do they say all the time? “Oh, we care about equity.” They don’t even care about equality anymore. They care about “equity.” Listen to these numbers, Buck, and I want you to just think of the kids that these teachers and these Democratic politicians and their teachers unions are leaving behind: 330,000 kids in Chicago area public schools. Eighty-two percent of those kids, Buck, are black or Hispanic. Eighty-two percent black or Hispanic.

Seventy percent are on free or reduced lunch. Okay, think about that for a minute. A lot of these kids who are not in school today in Chicago are not able to get regular, safe, healthy food — breakfast and lunch, by the way. Twenty-one percent have limited English proficiency. Fifteen percent have special education needs. Okay? That is the data on the kids who are being wronged by the failures of adults, and this is part of all of the covid insanity, Buck…

And I say this as a parent, and I say this as somebody who believes in public schools. I went to public schools K through 12 Nashville area. My kids, my two youngest are in public schools now. This is indefensible. The Democratic politicians who have allowed this to happen, who have allowed them to be captured by the schoolteacher unions, this is the biggest failure of American public policy in our lives, and the fact that Joe Biden…

You could say, “Well, it’s a local Chicago school district.” The fact that Joe Biden and his cronies in the Democratic Party, two years into this, Buck, are not standing up and saying, “You go to work, or we are going to do whatever is necessary to take away your paychecks,” it is infuriating to me. I know it’s infuriating to a lot of parents out there listening right now in Chicago and other places.

BUCK: Who are the bad guys here? Think about that for a second. Listen to what Clay just laid out for everybody on those numbers. We’re talking about kids who are suffering — and let’s just note not just today. It will be weeks of this. It will be more falling behind academically, more households where people might have to stop working, lose a job that they really need to take care of kids because they have to handle this sudden change in what the covid policies are thanks to the teachers unions.

Dr. Anthony Fauci — and I know people think that he is my white whale and I’m obsessed with him, but they’re not wrong. Dr. Anthony Fauci is on TV every five minutes it feels like. Where is he? Where he is Walensky on not saying, “We think the following; we think maybe schools should be open,” but saying, “This is the indefensible wrong”? Why not use the platforms that they have? Why not come out and speak as public health professionals about this issue? We know that child suicide, teen suicide is way up.

We know that learning loss is enormous. We think that anxiety disorders, mental health issues are skyrocketing. Those are all very serious things that you would think a public health professional who has an enormous amount of influence on these policies would care about. No. Of course not. Because Fauci’s constituency is the Democrat Party and CNN, not the American people. And that’s why he won’t scold them. He scolded your neck of the woods, Clay, about football games.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: He scolded people who wanted to enjoy SEC games this summer. Where’s the scolding of the teachers union? We all know why.

CLAY: And look. I got an email yesterday. My kids’ public schools went back today in person, not wearing masks. I went and talked to my school board back in August. But I’m a kid who went to public schools in Nashville and I went to a lot of public schools, I’ll be honest with you, that were not that great a schools, right? I mean, certainly not in the context of where my kids get to go to school now. And so I believe every Republican politician and, frankly, I believe every Democratic politician, that they’ve shown themselves to be totally wrong on this issue and they won’t even speak out.

We talk a lot about, “How do we broaden the tent of sanity in this country? How do we add allies?” Every Republican politician and every staffer who works for a Republican politician that is listening to us right now all over this country ought to be firing off as aggressively as they can at the teachers unions right now, because we’re talking about the third largest school district in America. And like I said, it’s 82% black and Hispanic. Do kids of underprivileged backgrounds in the United States deserve education in person or not?

This is an existential question that has not really been fought for two years. If I could go back in time in all honesty — and I argued this at the time — I think one of the great flaws of the 2020 Trump presidential campaign, the fact that Biden managed to get dragged across the finish line, was because of moms in the suburbs. I think if Trump had gone all in in October and November of 2020 leading up to that election and said every school district has to be open for in person learning, that he would have brought a ton of moms.

Not only white moms, black moms, Hispanic moms, Asian moms, and a lot of dads, too, who understand. Look, Buck, this is the foundation of getting back to normalcy, because if you can’t get your kids to school, many people can’t go to work. This is why the overall women’s employment rate has collapsed in this country. It is the essence of failure that we are sitting fighting these battles. And look. I don’t know the full legality of what could be done from a federal perspective, right? But I do this.

Ronald Reagan did not allow the air traffic controllers to go on strike because of the importance of their job. If I were right now advising Joe Biden, I would say you come out and talk all the time about equity and inclusion, how in the world are you gonna allow the third largest school district in America to not being going to back to school over covid right now? You own this.

This is your failure. You’ve had a full year to solve it. This is on your watch, the Randy wine garnets, all these teacher unions that only care about themselves, not the kids, it’s time for kids to be put in front of adults in the lineup of who we care about, way past time. And this is such… You can tell by my voice, it infuriates me.

BUCK: It’s never going to happen, as you and I both know — as everyone listening to this knows — because the teachers unions are among the most important machine for donations and votes in the entire national Democrat Party. The teachers unions are a commie enclave that work for Democrats. If you look at donations, enormous donations from teachers unions across the country to candidates as well as of course get-out-the-vote efforts, all the things that they do, and this is part of the Democrat big city machinery.

Certainly, in a place like Chicago, it’s true in New York, Los Angeles. Find me a big city, I’ll show you teachers unions that get their way, that are never going to be crossed by the Democrat Party. You’re right. Joe Biden, if it was about the children — which, it’s never about the children when you’re talking about the teachers union. If it was about the children, he would come out and say, “Exactly what is going on here?” This is a moment to show that the left can be reasonable when it comes to covid restrictions. Of course, they can’t be, and they won’t be, and this also raises the question, Clay. You and I were both opposed to school shutdowns in the fall of 2020.

CLAY: And that was considered controversial! You and I went to the mat to fight for schools to be open.

BUCK: And yet here we are now looking at how the teachers unions while the rest of society in Chicago is still up and running… They’ve had some noise about this in New York, they’ve had some noise about this from the unions in L.A. They feel like maybe this is too much. But in Chicago, that city machinery, they think they have the ability to get what they want here. Clay, this raises for a lot of us a question of was it ever a good idea?

Was it ever fair for the teachers unions to shut down these schools? Why did Fauci bend the knee to them as he did? And of course we see now, it was never about health or safety of kids. It was about lazy adults who have power in the Democratic Party and some more neurotics who were terrified, not wanting to do their jobs, wanting to get paid to sit home on their couch. That’s what actually happened, and kids suffered because of it.

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Clay’s Play: Go to Chicago on January 6th, President Trump

5 Jan 2022

CLAY: I have the perfect response that Republicans all over the country should adopt on January 6th, tomorrow, as the media is set to lose its mind over the anniversary of the January 6th riots at the Capitol. But first, talking about kids in schools — and this is directly connected to that — Jen Psaki, if we play cut 20 here, said basically schools can’t reopen because unvaccinated people are putting kids at risk. This is all nonsensical. Listen to this.

PSAKI: I think what’s important to step back here is recognize we’re still in the middle of a pandemic. Uh, there are still far too many people, uh, who are not vaccinated, there are still kids who are at risk because there are not enough people, adults, vaccinated, and I think what we’re all collectively trying to do here is protect more people and save more lives, whether you work here or at the CDC or the FDA.

CLAY: Everything she said is a lie in that statement. Everything she said, Buck. Kids are not in danger from unvaccinated adults, unvaccinated people and vaccinated people are spreading covid widely. But here is my theory. I want to see what you think about this. January 6th, Republicans are gonna mostly just kind of disappear from the Capitol and Democrats are gonna marinate in the danger. They’re gonna argue this is why they have to change the voting laws and democracy’s at stake and all these things. Donald Trump canceled his January 6th press conference.

If Donald Trump wants to speak out (and I would say this for any prominent national Republican figure), the play here — and I think it’s an important one is to, while the Democrats are focusing on a year ago, go to Chicago or draw direct attention to Chicago and all of the kids that are not in school in Chicago. Imagine the optics if Donald Trump got on a plane, flew to Chicago, had a press conference where he said, “Open Chicago schools!

“All of these kids need to be in person right now. Eighty-two percent of these kids are black and Hispanic. It is indefensible that Democratic politicians are bowing down to the unions. And while they’re all focused on January 6th and the past, I am focused on the future and our country’s future is kids in school getting education.” It is Donald Trump, it is Ron DeSantis, it is Greg Abbott, it is any national political figure in the Republican Party.

While the Democrats are trying to draw attention to January 6th, you counterprogram with things that are going on right now, which is kids not in school. Buck, would that not play incredibly well? You got Schumer and Pelosi sitting around talking about how democracy’s at stake and how terrified they were a year ago. AOC’s crying that she thought she was gonna be attacked, and then Donald Trump bows up, says every kid needs to be in school. I think it would be an incredible political moment to have those dichotomies at play at the exact same time.

BUCK: I like it.

CLAY: Is that not —

BUCK: I think the Chicago schools, they may end up opening just because they realize Lori Lightfoot doesn’t want them shut. She says they’re on unpaid status now, by the way. So yes, but you have to see how this actually plays out. They could be open as of tomorrow. So —

CLAY: First teacher that doesn’t get paid is gonna be the last. It ain’t happening, right? Show up, call ’em to account, hold them accountable. I would love to see it.

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Ryan Girdusky on Redistricting and the 2022 Midterms

5 Jan 2022

CLAY: Joined now by Ryan Girdusky. He’s the founder of the 1776 Project PAC, author of They’re Not Listening: How the Elites Created the National Populist Revolution. He’s also an expert in redistricting, which at times can sound a little bit nerdy but is going to be massive as we go into 2022 and try to find out what’s going to happen in the House and certainly in the Senate.

But this is primarily a House-related issue. Ryan, appreciate you joining us. Earlier today I believe we are now up to 25 different, currently sitting House Democrats — potentially including eventually Nancy Pelosi as well — who will not be running for reelection. What does…? Let’s start there. What does it typically tell you when the party in power is having so many current elected officials decide not to run in the upcoming midterm?

GIRDUSKY: Hey, thanks for having me on. I think that even more important than the number of members who are retiring, is who is retiring. And there’s a lot of members now who are chairmen of different committees, which is a very powerful position. It comes from seniority. It’s a position you spend years and years trying to cultivate to get on that position. They are retiring.

So they know they won’t be chairing those committees anymore. That is a clear sign that it’s not going well for Democrats, and they can kind of read the writing on the wall. They have to leave now or lose in 2022 or just become a member of the minority where you have no power. From being a position of immense power to have no power is not really worth it.

BUCK: Ryan, hey, buddy, it’s Buck. I want to know how you think the redistricting is going. I mean, here’s one. Mike Allen wrote just earlier today that Wasserman says redistricting is turning into “a happy surprise” for Democrats. Here’s what I’m hearing from people who pay close attention to this. And for everyone who’s listening, this could determine who’s in control of Congress, right? This stuff really matters. Redistricting doesn’t sound exciting in general.

It’s not something that gets people to jump to the front of their seats, but it has major implications. Ryan, what I’m hearing is that where Democrats can, they go all the way and get the best possible deal for themselves and their power in terms of the districts they’re drawing, and in a lot of spots Republicans are getting a little weak. Is that what you’re seeing? What’s going on?

GIRDUSKY: Yes. So redistricting is — depending on what state you’re talking about — is very partisan like Illinois or Florida. Others are by independent redistricting. But as we’ve seen in many states, independent redistricting is very partisan as well. So, first of all, the number of seats that are single digit Biden or Trump seats, seats that went for 3% for Biden or 4% for Trump, they’re gonna go down from 62 to 46.

So there are only be like 46 real swing districts left in the country after redistricting that either went for Biden or Trump by a single digit. Secondly, Republicans don’t control that many, many big, big states. Texas and Florida. But aside from that, the bigger ones — New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, California — are not controlled by Republicans. So Republicans didn’t have that many big states that they could sit there and they could break Democrat districts in.

They have a lot of states, a lot of smaller states where Democrats either one or two seats that they could have redistricted. Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee, all these smaller states where they could win one or two more Democratic seats. Republicans really haven’t taken the plunge. They didn’t redistrict Indiana 1. They didn’t redistrict the sole Democrat in Kentucky. Instates like Ohio and North Carolina, Republicans have really went for the gut, for the guttural and they have seen and now they’re being challenged in court.

But if the court lawsuits get thrown out, they’ll be fine. In places like New Jersey, for example — in New Jersey — there are six swing congressional districts in New Jersey. Ciattarelli won all six, the guy running who is Republican ran for governor. After this election cycle is over — redistricting cycle is over, rather — there will only be four that he won. And the number of seats the Republicans can possibly win is three. So if you look at Northern Jersey, seats Like District 7 which was a Biden plus-10 seat, it will be a Biden plus-three seat.

It’s the only pickup Republicans have. But New Jersey 5, which a Biden plus five will be Biden plus 12.5. Jersey 11, which was Biden plus 6, will be Biden plus 17. In South Jersey, which was Biden plus 0.2, will now be Biden plus 14. They’ve basically put all the Republicans in three districts and then made all the Democrats as bulletproof as possible.

In Maryland, there’s only one Republican in all of Maryland. His seat’s gonna go from a Trump plus-20 seat to a Biden plus-0.4 seat. So he’s completely redistricted out of his district. In Michigan, you’re seeing two Trump seats become two very large Biden seats, and one Biden seat going to become a Trump seat. In Illinois, you have multiple seats that Republicans gonna be completely wiped out of.

Adam Kinzinger seat’s gonna be going. Hard-core Democrat now. He’s in southern Illinois where it was a Trump plus 1 will be now Biden plus 8. Another Trump plus-3 seat will now be Biden plus 11. Nevada is the same way. In Nevada, they took one Biden plus-25 seat and made it a Biden plus-8 seat. But all the surrounding areas — in the two surrounding congressional districts, which are swing districts — will now be Biden plus 6 and Biden plus 8.

And in California you have a number of seats that in California where, you know, contentious for Republicans to keep and it will be a lot, will the harder. California 13 was Biden plus 2. It’s now Biden plus 11. California 27, Biden plus 10, now it’s Biden plus 12. They’re trying to make it as hard as possible for Republicans to win these seats that they’ve held since the 2020 election.

CLAY: All right, Ryan, all of those numbers that you just ran through, if you were setting an over-under right now, what do you think the expected Republican pickup would be, factoring in redistricting now in the 2022 midterms as we sit here in January. What’s a reasonable number in your mind?

GIRDUSKY: So, first of all, there will probably be eight to 10 more Biden seats than there were before the redistricting. So there will be about 10 more seats that Biden won that he did not win last time. Even with that, though — even with the new Biden seats — Republicans are probably looking at a possible 30-seat pickup because there are a number of seats that are either… You look at the trajectory that New Jersey election, the elections out on Long Island and the elections in Virginia.

Republicans could very well compete in any seat that is less than Biden plus 10 and even in some seats that are Biden plus 10 they could probably compete in in certain districts, with certain candidates. New York is not out yet. Pennsylvania is not out yet and Florida is not out yet. Those are big, big states with lots of congressmen. So it’s still… It’s gonna be tough and sit there and see swing seats.

Republicans are gonna see big pickups in North Carolina, in Arizona, one seat in Montana, one seat in Texas, one seat in New Jersey, two in Ohio, and one in Maine. And then the rest is really we’ll sit this and see. Can they hold on in New Mexico, the sole Republican in New Mexico? Can they hold on in Maryland, the sole Republican in Maryland. If they can, if Republicans can hold on to these new tough Biden plus-one, Biden plus-two seats — which is not impossible at all — they’ll be fine; they’ll win the majority comfortably by about 20 seats. If they start losing on these slightly more Biden-leaning districts, it will be much, much tougher.

CLAY: Speaking to Ryan Girdusky, founder of the 1776 Project PAC, author of They’re Not Listening: How the Elites Created a National Populist Revolution. Ryan, before we let you go, Schumer’s talking about a one-time exception in the filibuster to get voting rights through. Is he on a serious path here or is this just rhetoric? What do you think?

GIRDUSKY: No. Joe Manchin is gonna completely put a kibosh to that in three seconds. Manchin has basically said no change to the filibuster whatsoever, and they really have no avenues to get anything done. January and December have been pretty dead months for the Democrats in the Senate, and they know they need to deliver a little bit more to their constituents and their voters.

But looking at we’re going on now straight into the general election of the 2022 cycle, very little will actually be done at this point. It will mostly be — probably be — all judges and a few spending bills. But other than that, they have no restitution to sit there and get anything done that they’ve planned on getting done.

BUCK: Ryan Girdusky, everybody. Ryan, thanks so much, man. Great to have you with us. We appreciate it.

GIRDUSKY: Thank you.

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The Attorney General’s Outrageous January 6th Lie

5 Jan 2022

BUCK: We got Attorney General Merrick Garland talking right now about Jan 6th live. Let’s go to it for a second and see what he’s saying.

GARLAND: …defended and secured the Capitol that day. They demonstrated to all of us and to our country what true courage looks like. Their resolve, their sacrifice, and their bravery protected thousands of people working inside the Capitol that day. Five officers who responded selflessly to the attack on January 6 have since lost their lives. I ask everyone to please join me in a moment of silence in recognition of the service and sacrifice…

BUCK: Okay. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Oh, my God!

CLAY: First of all, when you are the attorney general, I hold you to a higher level — and maybe I shouldn’t even do this. But I hold you to a higher level of factual accuracy. No one died, Buck. They have not been able to connect at all. Even though the media tried to obfuscate and confuse us and make it seem the case, no one died directly who was a police officer because of January 6th. Right?

They have tried to make it seem that that is the case, but when you look at the autopsies, when you look at the reports to all the media that have later come out to correct it. You notice what Merrick Garland there said? Five people have died “since” the January 6th incident. The only person to die on January 6th violently… Now, there were some people who were aged, and I think had heart attacks or had medical related conditions who were involved in the protest and in the riot.

But Ashli Babbitt was the only person who died in the Capitol as a direct result of what took place on January 6, and she was shot and killed by a Capitol Police officer. So what you’re seeing there from Merrick Garland was she seeking, the attorney general of the United States, the person that Barack Obama wanted to put for life on the Supreme Court, is an intentional misrepresentation. We talk a lot about misinformation and disinformation. That is an intentional misinformation. That is designed to make it appear that five Capitol Police officers died of a result of January 6.

BUCK: I also remember — because it happened in my own neighborhood — when third party marauding bands of Biden-loving bureaucrats under the banner of BLM which — of course, as we know — didn’t do anything good for the country and actually made the country less safe and a whole lot more people were killed as a result of the pullbacks and support the police. I remember when the same mainstream, so to speak — I hate that term — legacy lib media anchors were saying, “This is what happens when people are angry.”

“Who says protest peacefully?” Former CNN anchor Chris Cuomo with former governor of New York, Bro Cuomo, not able to get a handle on things in New York City during these riots? Clay, there were federal officers who were being intentionally blinded on a regular basis with laser out in Portland by Biden voters. Now, they did get their sight back, but would anyone else want to try the laser-in-the-eye thing and see how they feel about it?

Go blind for a few hours in an eye and see if you think that that’s fun? They were having cinder blocks thrown at them. They were having pepper spray in their faces. Now, that’s all bad. The only time I’ve ever seen Democrats outraged about violence against police is this one day. The rest of it is, “People are oppressed and they’re angry. Sorry. Cops have to suffer.”

CLAY: What distinguishes us from many people in the media, Buck, is we’ve argued that people who riot — regardless of their political motivations — should be prosecuted. The difference here is, I’m not aware anybody who was involved in those “mostly peaceful protests” all over the country in the summer of 2020 which we still don’t really know where the money for the riots came from, where the organizational capacity came from. Nobody’s really been incorporated to a significant extent there.

And, by the way, I’m not aware of anybody still being held in solitary police confinement over the riots in the summer of 2020. In fact, most of the people who were arrested for that were let out with no charges filed. Democratic politicians raised money… Think about this for a minute: They raised money to defend anyone who was being arrested for those violent protests in the summer of 2020. Kamala Harris said, “I will give you money, so you get basically a get-out-of-jail-free card.” Imagine if Donald Trump responded to January 6th and said, “Oh, I’m gonna pay everybody’s court costs, everybody’s legal fees.” That’s what basically happened for many of these people arrested in the summer.

BUCK: We’ve seen who actually gets the… Wow, Merrick Garland is still going. Such a little hack. It’s so funny they try to say, “Oh, he’s so moderate. Let’s put him on the court. It’s a stolen Supreme Court seat!” Shut up, libs. But we have Kamala Harris during the riots in Minneapolis, as you point out, advocating for raising bail Monday because presumption of innocence. Let’s get them out on bail. Meanwhile, Kyle Rittenhouse, you advocate for bail for him if you’re a cop or you’re anybody? They destroy you. They fire you from your job.

CLAY: They show up at your house to report on you donating money to his defense fund!

BUCK: This is the fundamental separation that we see now throughout the system, and it’s particularly pernicious in our justice system where politics is being infused in all these decisions all the time. It is an absolute outrage. The fact that the ACLU doesn’t have its lawyers lying down in the street in D.C. in protest of what’s going on with the Jan 6 — and of course, we don’t expect them to because the ACLU is a left-wing hack organization.

But the people that claim that they care about civil liberties are absent on this. Why? Because the politics of the system tell them that you have to destroy everybody who, remember, are not even just the worst offenders on January 6th. There are people that were just there, present. It’s glorified trespassing, folks!

CLAY: I’d say this, too, about Merrick Garland. It’s particularly disgusting to me for someone to spend their entire career dreaming, probably, of being the attorney general of the United States, and then when you get there, being so terrified of what people in your own party are going to say that you aren’t willing to stand up and do what you believe is right. ‘Cause I do think this guy is not as much of a clown as he is having to behave like he is a clown because he’s terrified of his own Justice Department.

BUCK: Doesn’t that make him worse? Doesn’t that make him worse? He actually knows better.

CLAY: He’s feckless and pathetic and afraid, ’cause he’s an old white guy being targeted by his own administration, just like Joe Biden, honestly. It’s a disgrace.

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NFL Looking to Move Super Bowl Out of Los Angeles?

5 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, do you remember the conversation — I don’t know if we had it on air or off air — where I was talking with you about how I would be really nervous if I was in the NFL and I had the Super Bowl scheduled to be played in Los Angeles?

BUCK: We did have this talk. I do remember it.

CLAY: We had the conversation, I think on the air. There are reports that have come out since we started the show today that the NFL is reaching out to locations including Dallas, Texas, to talk about whether they could host the Super Bowl in the event that California starts to shut down more. Are you confident…? That is, we know Omicron is going to skyrocket, right?

California is gonna set an all-time record, despite all the taking the virus seriously that they’ve done in San Francisco and L.A. and other marketplaces there. Are you confident that they’re going to be sane and deny to allow people to show up — en masse, big group, tens of thousands of people — to watch sporting events? We just saw Stanford in the Bay Area shut down all crowds for athletic events there. I would be incredibly nervous if I were the NFL about whether L.A. is gonna continue to be able to host the Super Bowl.

BUCK: I think you’d have to be. I think anybody who didn’t see it that way would be ignoring the history and the reality of what we’ve all been through in the blue states in particular. Speaking of which, I want to take this call because right now it’s a pretty remarkable thing, friends, that there are people who are being told… Remember how we were told the hospitals had to fire doctors and nurses, particularly nurses who won’t get the shot? Gotta fire ’em. They’re such a risk. Now hospitals are saying even if you actively have covid, if you have symptoms, if you are sick, you gotta come in to work.

CLAY: They’re desperate.

BUCK: Think of how much worse that is! Unvaccinated people are gonna be not sick 99.99% of the time they’re doing their work. They’re bringing in people who are actively sick. We have Elaine in Rhode Island. I want to talk to her about this one. Elaine, thanks for calling in.

CALLER: Yeah, y’all! I think I’m making history. I think I’m the first person from Rhode Island to call you.

CLAY: You sound like you weren’t from Rhode Island originally, though.

CALLER: (laughing)

CLAY: That’s a Southern accent I hear.

CALLER: Yeah, you’re right. I’m an Alabama girl that’s been transplanted.

BUCK: Roll Tide, Elaine. Roll Tide.

CALLER: Roll Tide! Roll Tide every day.

BUCK: I’ve been meaning to say that.

CALLER: Yeah. It was in the news this week, they laid off all have gotta health care workers, and so just yesterday in the news here, they’ve decided that if you’ve tested positive for covid as a health care worker, you can take care of positive covid patients.

BUCK: There we go which means they’re also coming around other people that don’t have covid. Let’s all be very clear about that.

CLAY: Right. But it is — thanks follow call Elaine, big game for the Crimson Tide against Georgia, by the way, on Monday in Indianapolis — another big market for us — where they’re hosting the college football national championship game. But I gotta say this. Buck, this is just a hundred percent a sign of how desperate they are. The going from 10 days to five days on the quarantine wasn’t about anything scientific. It was just about the fear that so many millions of people are gonna test positive that society is not gonna be able to function. That’s what they’re terrified of.

BUCK: Maybe we should have been making determinations like that all along, judging and balancing instead of just running away in fear.

CLAY: Amen.

BUCK: That’s what they want you to do.

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Masked NYC NYE Proposal Kiss Says It All

5 Jan 2022

FAUCI: But the big caveat is we should not be complacent, since the increased transmissibility of varion (sic) — Omicron — might be overridden by the sheer volume of the number of cases that may be a reduced severity but could still stress our hospital system. Because a certain proportion of a large volume of cases no matter what are going to be severe. So don’t take this as a signal that we can pull back from the recommendations that you just heard from Dr. Walensky about the need for vaccination, for boostering, for wearing masks, and all the other CDC recommendations.

BUCK: (impression) So just to be clear, here’s Fauci telling you, “Okay, yes, Omicron is a whole lot less lethal and dangerous than the previous things. But if you think for one second, everybody, that means you should be allowed to have your droplets freely spread in the air, you should no longer be double masked with a visor — preferably home alone in bed in the shower; six feet good, 60 feet better– do not think for a moment you can start to believe your life will ever return to normal.” I think I got it all. I think I got it.

CLAY: That is well said.

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: I will say this too. You know, I was watching the New Year’s Eve celebrations on a bunch of different channels. And I thought it was a stark contrast, for instance, my home city of Nashville had a huge outdoor concert, packed full of people, nobody in masks. Fox News was down on Second Avenue. They did their live broadcast. I thought Will Cain and Pete Hegseth and Rachel Campos-Duffy did a great job hosting that event.

But, Buck, the disconnect between where you are in New York City, where they had the Times Square socially distanced celebration going on — and there was one moment that crystallized for me more than anything else. They had a couple propose live in Times Square. The girl said “yes,” both of them were marked, and they got up and kissed wearing their masks!

Sometimes you can point out the absurdity. I would love for Dr. Fauci to be asked — to your point, Buck, he’s never said this is too much — do you believe if a couple outdoors proposes to each other, the woman says “yes.” She slides the ring on her finger, he does as well, this a joyous moment for both. They’re going to have this moment for the rest of their life. Do you believe they should kiss while wearing masks given that Omicron currently exists and is spreading as it is?

BUCK: I know this is a family show —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — but I just want to point out that there were news stories earlier on the pandemic about how during —

CLAY: Intimacy.


BUCK: — fun-fun time, you were supposed to maintain masked discipline. Now, not masks for the purposes of whatever stuff people were into, you were supposed to wear medical-grade masks while you were in the throes of intimacy, lest your partner infect you with covid. That is a real thing that so-called public health officials at different points in this were pushing. Clay, there is no limit to their absurdity and their stupidity, and we keep coming back to this. Fauci knows. His whole thing, his whole secret sauce is always, “I’m saving lives and that’s all I do and I’ll never tell people that they should live more normal lives.”

CLAY: I would just love… There’s a lot of media that listens to this show. I would love for the media to take a challenge and trying to come up with scenarios that Dr. Fauci says, no, no, that’s going too far. Because when I saw the couple getting engaged and kissing each other while wearing their masks, which, by the way, I don’t even know what that would feel like.

But basically, you’re just like you’re kissing the interior of your own mask. (laughing) It’s totally absurdly ridiculous. And I have to think that if that couple gets married and they stay married for a long time, at some point they will look back at their engagement photos and say, “Boy, we were imbeciles. We got engaged and kissed while wearing or masks to celebrate.”

BUCK: Remember how there were some kids if you went to sleep-away camp or in your opinion grade school occasionally be a kid who had a blanket, like a little blanket that they would want to keep?

CLAY: My kids all had security blankets.

BUCK: Right. Security blankets. Right. Okay. The Facebook mask for covid has turned into effectively an anxiety blanket for adults. This is really what it is. In my building here in New York we have to — I do not, but we are supposed to — mask and will say the nice thing is every time you walk into a gym in New York City and someone is unmasked you got a freedom brother or freedom sister right there.

CLAY: What percentage of people are masked in the gym typically when you go to the gym.

BUCK: Half, I’d say right now.

CLAY: Oh God.

BUCK: We’re in a private gym; it’s half.

CLAY: Yes!

BUCK: The ones that really amaze me are the ones who are on the treadmill, because if the mask doesn’t bother you on the treadmill, you aren’t working out hard enough.

CLAY: Exactly.

BUCK: You might as well just go outside and walk on the street. You’re not actually working out. But I’d say it’s about half, because, Clay, let’s understand this. The reason that they initially put in the vaccine passport system in the gyms — ’cause we have to unpack this for everybody because otherwise they just keeping moving the goalpost and we’re in this dizzying wheel. We’re the gerbils on the Fauci wheel. We’re all just running and running and running. He’s going, “Fastuh! Fastuh!” It’s a horrible nightmare that I have that recurs.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You know, what we have is we were told vaccine passports will make us safe so we don’t need to mask up in gyms. What we have then instituted as vaccine passports, and we find out, guess what? Now we have to mask up anyway in the gym, and they don’t say vaccine passports failed, at which point you say, “Well, hold on a second. Why? Why should we not look at this policy differently considering that the promise of it clearly failed?” They don’t care. It is a post evidence era we are in.

CLAY: It’s a great question and this is another one that I would love to have asked of Dr. Fauci. A million cases a day, the years, basically, into covid. If wearing masks everywhere, if covid vaccine passports all of these things going on, if that is success, what would failure have looked like? No one ever points that out, Buck, where they might say, “Oh, well, it would be so much worse if we hadn’t had the vaccine or if we hadn’t had masks or we hadn’t had…”

No, no. We have now right now a million cases a day happening in the United States. That is almost quadruple the all-time high of last January. If this is success, if this is vaccine success, what would vaccine failure have actually looked like? It’s a great question. Okay. We’re having a million cases, you’re telling me, and this is vaccine success — four times the high we’ve ever had two years in — what would vaccine failure have looked like? There isn’t really an answer. They don’t have their talking points ready to even tell us, Buck, what vaccine failure would have looked like.

BUCK: Here’s just a mind-blowing thing that everyone needs to spend time thinking about. I don’t pretend to have all the answers about this — no one has all the answers about it — but we’ve been pointing out for some time on this show, Clay, that more people have died in this country under Biden than under Trump. Now, that includes about nine months of vaccine distribution under Biden that did not occur under Trump, obviously, ’cause we didn’t have a vaccine, and it also would include a whole lot more natural immunity built up within the system just from more and more people getting infected over time.

No one has really explained that, but let’s take a step back for a second and think about this. If their claim — and this is the claim — is that it would have been much wore without all the mitigation and all the masks and these measures, how is it that right now we are at an all-time national high for caseload with a lot more natural immunity, vaccinated immunity, and a lot of mitigation measures in place relative to where we were in January last year with no vaccinated immunity and less natural immunity in place? I know they’re just gonna say, “Oh, it’s ’cause Omicron is so much more transmissible.” They told us Delta was so much more! (chuckles) How much more transmissible can stuff really get?

CLAY: And also why we think it’s gonna stop with Omicron? If that’s your argument, “Well, it just kept getting more transmissible,” why isn’t there gonna be another variants that’s just as transmissible? Ask your most die-hard vaccine friends. Say, “I understand you’re saying the vaccine is a big success. It’s a million cases a day. What would failure have looked like?” I’d just love to hear the answer ’cause we’re at an all-time, worst-case scenario right now.

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Schumer ’05: Ending Filibuster Will Be “Doomsday for Democracy”

5 Jan 2022

BUCK: I just want to point out that there’s no limit to the willingness of people like Chuck Schumer to change their principles and lie to the public. There’s really… Whatever works, when it works. Whatever you have to do and say is what he will do and is, and right now, he’s the guy pushing… He’s Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, of course from New York. See, Clay, we got all the worst here. California thinks they’ve got bad politicians. New York the worst libs in office in the country altogether.

CLAY: Andrew Cuomo getting pushed out actually made things worse. That’s how bad New York is.

BUCK: Kathy Hochul somehow has managed to be even more annoying than Andrew Cuomo was at this stage. But, anyway, we have Chuck Schumer saying he wants to have a loophole in the filibuster which would threaten the whole filibuster. Let me just say if Republicans needed to, they should say, “Change the filibustering means as soon as we’re in the majority, it’s gone.” Draw a red line. Say, “Absolutely not. You do this one time; we’ll do it every time.

“You try this, we blow the whole thing up, nuclear option,” and that’s, I think… Let’s be clear. This is what happened with judges, right? Harry Reid… I believe he just passed away recently, right? Harry Reid pushed for the Democrats to have the end or the filibuster for judicial nominees and Republicans said, “All right, fine. Let’s do it for Supreme Court nominees. Let’s go all the way!”

So here’s Chuck Schumer, though, just on the notion of whether this man who sits as the senior senator from New York has any principles whatsoever even when it comes to the protection of the very institutions that he has allegedly served — he’s really serving himself — for decades. Here he is back in 2005 on how terrifying it would be to mess with the filibuster.

SCHUMER: Bottom line is very simple: The ideologues in the Senate wants to turn what the Founding Fathers called the cooling saucer of democracy into the rubber stamp of dictatorship! We will not let them! They want — because they can’t get their way on every judge — to change the rules in mid-stream, to wash away 200 years of history. They want to make this country into a banana republic where if you don’t get your way, you change the rules. Are we gonna let them? It will be a doomsday for democracy if we do!

BUCK: A doomsday. Clay —

CLAY: I just don’t understand how these guys — and that’s from 2005, for people out there listening. I don’t understand. We know that politicians, many of them, are full of crap — and disappointingly, a lot of politicians aren’t even that smart. So they will argue whatever is put in front of them for the moment. But to be… If I had anything that was that contradictory, shouldn’t the media be hammering Chuck Schumer with that clip and saying, “Hey, now you’re in favor of ending the filibuster.

“You said it would basically lead to a dictatorship just 16 years ago. Why are you suddenly flipping?” And the answer is, of course, because now his party is in a position of political power. But it’s so transparently fake, this argument that he’s now making. Make no mistake. He’s now making the opposite argument, that democracy is in peril if the filibuster isn’t destroyed!

And the reality is, this is one place where I think you gotta give credit to Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema who are Democrats that have at least been consistent here, and they’re saying the entire purpose of requiring 60 votes in the Senate is to avoid massive swings every two years when one party comes into power and the other party is out of power, and we don’t want our American policy to swing widely from one extreme to the other.

The House can exist to provide that on some level. But Schumer’s actually citing the history, the Jefferson quote, reportedly, about the saucer and how the Senate cools the emotions of the day. So he knows the history, and now he is just transparently arguing against it, and I think if we have mention, Buck — ’cause you’re talking about New York politics — a big part of this seems to be motivated in some ways by fear of AOC.

Because Chuck Schumer has gone far left-wing ever since the rumor got out there that AOC might tire of being one of 435 congresspeople and decide to run for the Senate in New York, and she might beat Schumer. And ever since those fears have been percolating in his mind suddenly Chuck Schumer has become super left-wing.

BUCK: It’s amazing to see Chuck Schumer. Over the course of his whole career, this is a guy who has just gone with whatever benefited him, wherever he had to fit into the Democrat machinery for maximum power. It’s just like Joe Biden, and Joe Biden is the president. Joe Biden stood for nothing other than whatever the Democrat Party told him to, and effectively Bidenism and helping his family here and there with some sweetheart deals —

CLAY: “The Big Guy.”

BUCK: — and Chinese oligarchs and some situations —

CLAY: Ten percent for The Big Guy.

BUCK: Ten percent for The Big Guy, Clay. So we’re not gonna let me get away with this nonsense, folks. What we do here, it’s what the media says they do, which is speak truth to power. We speak the truth they want to shut us down for.

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Hochul Orders Hospitals to Correctly Categorize Covid Cases

5 Jan 2022

GOV. KATHY HOCHUL: Beginning tomorrow, we’re going to be asking all hospitals to break out for us how many people are being hospitalized because of covid symptoms, how many people happen to be testing positive just while they’re in there for other treatments. So that’s… Um, I think that’s important. I’m anticipating to see that at least a certain percentage overall are not related to being treated for covid.

BUCK: Oh, I think that’s important too. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Yet again. We need to create, Clay, like some kind of a board, you know, like a bracket for things we have said since June of 2021 —

CLAY: Years.

BUCK: — or we could go back all the way to March of 2020 that we were told and people attacked us for and said, “Oh, my gosh. You’re reckless,” and people are gonna die because of you and grandparents are gonna disappear because of you. And now they just kind of inserted into the conversation, you know, NBD. No big deal. It turns out there are covid cases that are being counted as hospitalization. ‘Cause, remember, the case count is…

That’s why all this testing stuff, it doesn’t really do what they pretend it will, which is to be a tool against the spread. You can have tests in everyone’s home in the country, there’s still gonna be covid bouncing all over the place. But hospitalizations is supposed to be an… It is an important metric. But you gotta get it right. And here’s the governor of New York who wears a vaccine necklace, friends.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: That’s not an exaggeration, not trying to… She actually has some kind of a vaccine necklace on, and she calls it “a gift from God,” and I’m sure pope Fauci approves of this talk. Clay, she’s now saying what we’ve been saying for many months, which is clearly they are counting hospitalizations that involve people there not for covid, car accident or whatever, who test positive who were a mild case. And even Fauci had to admit this about children. But I haven’t gotten an apology yet. I don’t think you have, either.

CLAY: No. And to your point we’ve been making this argument for a long time, and I don’t always get it right. But when we talk about covid deaths or when we talk about covid hospitalizations, I always try to say “with covid” as opposed to “from” or “because of covid.” That’s a significant difference because even to this point the people dying with covid have three to four additional covid comorbidities.

Ron DeSantis, to his credit, in Florida, they’ve done a good job of pointing out that one reason that covid hospitalization numbers can be high is they test everybody for covid when they come into the hospital. To your point, if you’re going in to have a knee replacement or if you’re having an appendectomy or you’re a mom that might be having a baby, one of the first things they do when you get checked into the hospital is test you for covid.

So I saw the data from Florida recently where they said between 50 and 65% of the people with covid in the hospital are only finding out that they have covid because they’re in the hospital for some other reason and they test and there’s a blood positivity then that they have. So all of a sudden, because the numbers are skyrocketing, and Democrats understand that they now are being held responsible for the covid situation in this country, because they’re in power; they control Congress, they control the White House. Suddenly, Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, says, “Oh, by the way, let’s make sure that we’re not overreacting or exaggerating what’s going on with covid hospitalizations.” The timing, as always, ridiculous.

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