Infuriating Dems Memorialize Their “Insurrection” Lie

6 Jan 2022

CLAY: We are gonna have some fun here as the Democrats are losing their minds over the January 6th anniversary. They’re actually going to have — I’m not even making this up — a candlelight vigil on the steps of the United States Capitol tonight. They’ve already spoken, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, in the early morning to try and set the agenda of this day. More importantly, over 330,000 kids in Chicago are still not in school.

Kids all over the country — Atlanta area kids, so many different kids — are not in school, not being paid attention to. Covid’s setting all-time headlines. I saw you, Buck, tweet — and I thought this was great — that Biden wore a mask to walk up to deliver his speech (laughing) to take the virus seriously and then took off his mask to begin his speech. I just want to thank him for making sure that no one got covid in that dastardly four seconds that he spent walking up to the lectern.

BUCK: That they’re that open about how this is just theatrics and we’re supposed to take all of their proclamations seriously. It’s stunning how stupid they think everyone is willing to be. A lot of people are, unfortunately, but not all of us.

CLAY: I actually think this is not landing in a very significant fashion for much of America, this anniversary idea. Because, one, most people are aware that there’s no real existential threat to American democracy. Two, kids are going back to school or parents are having to cover for kids not going back to school at the end of the winter holiday. By the way, six inches of snow pummeling the city of Nashville right now, Buck. It’s like I-95 in Virginia on steroids.

I was just telling you off the air, people in the South cannot drive when there’s snow. People are panicked about that. And then there’s still a ton of people who are legitimately terrified of covid, thanks to all the fearmongering from Democrats for the past few years. And we continue every single day to set new highs for covid infections. We’re not gonna spend all day talking about the Democrats memorializing January 6th, but I did want to play a couple of cuts for you. First of all, the number two here, Kamala Harris compared January 6th to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. I swear this is real. Listen.

In her remarks on the one-year anniversary of January 6th, Kamala Harris compares the day to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. pic.twitter.com/TI17jNfDfo

— MRCTV (@mrctv) January 6, 2022

HARRIS: Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived through them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 1941, September 11th, 2001, and January 6th, 2021.

CLAY: I mean, come on. I wish I could use expletives on this show right now. Now, Kamala is saying democracy’s under assault because people didn’t believe that Joe Biden was the democratically elected president of the United States. Well, guess what happened in 2016 when Trump got elected! Much of the Democratic Party lost their mind and expended five years arguing the only reason he was president was because of Russia — including Kamala Harris, who went on the radio and said she did not believe that Donald Trump was the legitimate president of the United States.

HARRIS: Elections matter. When you win an election, you get to set the rules.

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: How can you win with Russian interference, though?

HARRIS: That’s a real thing!

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: That’s what I’m scared about in 2020.

HARRIS: But rightly.

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: Because I think he’s an illegitimate president that didn’t really win. So how do you, y’know, fight against that in 2020?

HARRIS: You are absolutely right. So again, as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I will tell you that we should believe exactly what the intelligence community has told us, which is Russia did interfere in the election of the president United States in 2016.

BUCK: He said Donald Trump’s not the legitimate president, and then Kamala Harris says, “You are absolutely right.” You could hear this. And let’s just be very clear about what they did do for four years. They created a fabrication, okay? They can talk about Russian Facebook bots all day long, which is absurd.

CLAY: Which, by the way, it was almost no money that Russia spent.

BUCK: No one who understands how the internet works thinks that meant anything significant. But they did create, essentially, a coup narrative from within the government itself of “We need to get rid of this president. He’s a Russian spy! He’s a Russian asset!” Then the 25th Amendment got talked about. So they were trying to use — through lies and through abuse — the mechanisms of our government itself to get rid of a duly elected president and now they want to lecture us about the sanctity of democracy?

You know, 95% of the Democrat Party basically went along with the Russia collusion lie. A few hundred people actually got violent and out of line and broke the law on January 6th. Every mainstream conservative commentator you can think of, everyone you can find… I actually was tweeting expletives on how they need to knock that you-know-what off as soon as it started. I was like, “This is a terrible idea. What the heck?”

CLAY: ‘Cause you know what’s gonna happen.

BUCK: Of course!

CLAY: The Democrats were gonna use it forever as evidence of how Republicans don’t believe in democracy.

BUCK: It was a blunder because the Democrat Party had spent months — and this is another thing we need to focus on. They had spent months being the riot party, being pro-riots, using riots to terrify their political opponents. Remember this, everybody. The 2020 election happened under duress — and that’s not just my analysis. There were photos all over the media, and it was meant to say you…

They were amplifying the message of businesses boarding up and getting ready for anarchy in the streets if Trump won because Biden voters were going to riot. So there was essentially an implied threat all across the country of, “You guys better not actually vote for Donald Trump or else there’s gonna be anarchy; it’s gonna be Mad Max in the streets,” and that’s not just in rhetorical terms. People believed that. They took action based upon that.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: So the election was held under duress. They had riots for months. What makes me so angry is that a few hundred people — in one fell swoop, unfortunately — now have at least muddied the waters of the obvious narrative, which is that the Democrats were the riot party. They were the only ones, right? The Tea Party was countless gatherings of patriots being law-abiding, friendly, decent. Amazingly so.

They were all gathering together afterwards to clean up litter that was left, make sure there were no placards left behind or anything. That was the Tea Party’s legacy. And they’re gonna exaggerate this as they are today and they’re trying to do everything in their power to leverage this as a club to bludgeon everybody into silence about the Biden regime’s failures and to try to taint anyone who ever voted for Donald Trump as an insurrectionist.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: It’s all lies but we have to understand what the purpose of this is and how they’re gonna try to use it against the opposition to Biden going forward because, you know, Clay, you don’t buy it. I don’t buy it. Obviously, the people listening to this know what’s going on here. How close was the last election? How many people do they have to convince that the reelection of Donald Trump would lead to more political violence? Not that many. So with all the crying and the gnashing of teeth on CNN, we can view it as silly histrionics — which it is — but it is to a purpose. These people… You think of the commies as people that are ruthless, and you’ll understand them much better all the time.

CLAY: Well, I think they’re panicked, Buck, and they’re panicked because they got a once-in-a-hundred-years pandemic which allowed them to change the mail-in voting rules, the absentee ballot rules. It allowed also sorts of chaos to ensue. They got Donald Trump as their president, right, who they could run against which really is the fevered dream of the left wing of the Democratic Party. It’s why they so desperately cling to him.

They need an old white guy who is not going to apologize for being an old white guy, as opposed to Joe Biden who’s gonna constantly be supplicating all of the absurd left-wing elements of his party. And they could run against Donald Trump as the fevered dream of the perfect distillation of what they were terrified America was, right? And they won — and I’m putting “won” in quotation marks because it’s still a big mess.

They won by 40,000 votes under their own tally of the Electoral College and the overall votes, and I don’t think people focus enough on this. We’re talking about roughly 10,000 votes in Georgia, roughly 2020 votes in Wisconsin, and around 10,000 votes in Arizona. If 20,000 people had changed their mind in Arizona, in Wisconsin, and in Georgia — that’s a tiny pinprick of the overall number of people who voted in the election — Donald Trump would be your president right now.

That’s all it took. So they put everything they could: The Big Tech collusion, every major corporation in America getting in line behind the progressive agenda, not allowing many people to even share a story about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden being “The Big Guy” and taking money from China and all the Ukraine connections. All the things that they claim the Trump family was behind for years, it turns out the Bidens were actually doing. They blocked all of that! They censored all that discussion. We had a fundamentally unfair political media, and they still barely dragged Joe Biden across the finish line by 40,000 votes.

BUCK: What do they really want us to do, also? There are a couple things here that just don’t add up. One is, to call this an “insurrection” is idiotic.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Because no one —

CLAY: No one has actually been charged with any of these crimes.

BUCK: Right. No one has been charged with insurrection or with terrorism. But beyond that, it’s not even just a legal matter. You can think this through. What was the plan here supposed to be, right? When someone’s engaged in, let’s say, a terror act and it is thwarted in advance of… I used to do this professionally at the CIA and then for the intel division the NYPD. You might stop someone before they achieved their aim, but you have to explain if you’re gonna charge them with a terror crime.

What was the plot, right? What was the crime? Here what we have is the allegation of the overthrow of the United States government in progress — let’s be very honest about this — when no serious person could think that that was going to happen, could have happened, or even really the aims of the individuals involved except for a handful perhaps — who honestly, I think, are not of sound mind.

I think that’s been lost in a lot of this, too. There were some people that were emotionally fragile who got caught up in this, and that doesn’t excuse them from a legal perspective, but it does go to the… You know, if I think I’m going to as a sole individual rule the city of New York and overthrow the local government here, that’s crazy and maybe I’m a public risk in some sense. But I’m not going to be able to accomplish that, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s not a serious thing that I’m going to rule New York City and overthrow the 35,000-strong NYPD, et cetera. So it’s not a serious thing to call it an insurrection. But then beyond that, “Okay, well, what are we supposed to do about this now?” We’re having, as you said, the candlelight vigil, and we have all these people weepy eyed on CNN and MSNBC today for their audiences about how they stood tall and they prevented the overthrow of our government.

They’re already locking these people up, treating them worse than Al-Qaeda plotters in some cases. They’re actually getting worse treatment in some of these D.C. prisons than they would have if they’d been sent to Gitmo. You say, “Okay, so they’re being prosecuted. What are you…?” The Republicans aren’t saying that this was a good thing” or “we support this” or whatever. So what are we supposed to do about it, Clay? It’s just a club to bludgeon everybody into submission for the idiotic Biden regime to continue failing.

CLAY: Yeah, and make no mistake here as we go to break: Think about what Kamala Harris said when she compared 9/11 and Pearl Harbor to January 6th. She’s equating American citizens who are upset about the election with kamikaze pilots in Japan who were trying to destroy our fleet in the Pacific, and she’s equating a bunch of grandmas and grandpas and moms and dads who went in with selfie sticks and were taking pickets of themselves in the Capitol, at worst were trespassing with people who intentionally flew airplanes into buildings on 9/11.

BUCK: Yeah, 2,400 people died at Pearl Harbor — 2,403, I believe.

CLAY: Yeah. Over 3,000 died in 9/11, and in this situation what we’re talking about right now, the only person who died was Ashli Babbitt who was shot by a police officer. That’s it.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BIDEN: I’ve said it many times. And it’s no more true or real when we think about the events of January 6th. We are in a battle for the soul of America, a battle that by the grace of God and the goodness and gracious — greatness of this nation, we will win.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. I promise we’re not gonna subject you to more bombast and absurdity from Joe Biden, Kamala, and others today that it’s absolutely necessary to, ’cause here’s the thing. Yes, on the one hand, I don’t like that we will spend time even having to get into this, all “the threat to our democracy” and all these things. These are people who had a special counsel against the president to get him thrown out of office because they had convinced themselves that Putin was running the White House.

They’re out of their minds. But I also think that part of what we have to do here is to deal with the lies and to fight back. I don’t want to cede the battlefield of ideas to the other side and let their megaphones go without response, and so that’s why we’re gonna make sure that we balance it out. There’s a lot of real things that are happening to Americans today. I know that it’s the hallowed day of reverence for January 6th is what Democrats are all gonna be focused on, and it’s just…

We knew they were gonna do this, if nothing else. One of the immediate frustrations in the days after this a year ago was, “Oh, God. Now we’re gonna have Democrats for the next 20 years bringing this up as though we were all there; we were all part of the insurrection.” But, Clay, I think it’s important to, one, put it in an actual, reasonable context, and also to not allow this to be said or to go without response, because the Democrats were rioting for months and won’t even talk about it now. They were terrifying communities across the country and had nothing to say about it other than they thought it was just fine in the run-up to an election, in an election year, no less.

CLAY: Yeah, and that’s what makes it so infuriating. Kamala Harris comparing January 6th to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor may be the dumbest historical analogy that any president or vice president has ever made that I have ever heard. And yet it’s going to be treated solemnly as if that is a legitimate comparison to draw, and I think reasonable and intelligent people have to fire back against idiocy like this and let it be known. Even though it is in some way setting the agenda and allowing this to be a topic of the day, it just makes absolutely zero sense at all to even contemplate that argument.

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Julie Kelly: How the Left Is Weaponizing Jan. 6th

6 Jan 2022

BUCK: Julie Kelly is with us now, senior contributor to American Greatness and author of January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right, which is released this week. Julie, thanks so much.

KELLY: Hey, Buck and Clay. Thanks for having me on.

BUCK: I know I’ve talked to you before, Julie, about what’s been done to — just irrespective of the hyperbole and the craziness of how Democrats frame this issue, say it’s a “coup,” say it’s an “insurrection” — the Jan 6 defendants. What’s been done to them is appalling and just completely unbecoming of America, but just what is your view today from 30,000 feet, so to speak, as we’re being told that this goes down in infamy along the lines of Pearl Harbor and 9/11?

KELLY: Well, I think it speaks to the argument that I make in my book and that is that Democrats are using this four-hour disturbance a year ago — that in some instances turned violent — to launch this domestic War on Terror against the political right. And you see this not only in the Justice Department’s prosecution now with more than 700 Americans and counting, but you certainly see it with the January 6th Select Committee where they are targeting not just the president and Republican lawmakers but anyone — conservative influencer, anyone in that ecosystem from Fox News to podcasters or people like Steve Bannon.

So this is an orchestrated effort to criminalize political dissent, to criminalize political protest, and certainly, more importantly, to shut down any effort to shore up election laws in several states and tie anyone who wants to strengthen our election system and what we saw fall apart in 2020. Anyone who wants to tighten that up for the next election is, therefore, an insurrectionist. So you see that constantly, those two things tied together, and that’s really what the underlying motivation is here.

CLAY: Julie, when Buck and I watched this on January 6th, we knew, both of us, sending out tweets, this is going to be something — despite the entire summer of riots — that Democrats are going to try to put upon Republicans for as long as they possibly can. When you were watching January 6th happen, what were your thoughts, and did you already look ahead to what the future impact of this incident was going to be then, or has it surprised you the legacy of January 6th so far?

KELLY: It was totally sketchy to me from the beginning. I did not share a lot of people’s hand-wringing about what they were seeing. None of it made sense because no other rally or political event with Trump supporters had turned violent like this. So I think my antenna was up right away. I did not share, “This can’t happen. This is a horrible, dark day in our democracy.” It seemed to me like it was sort of staged to achieve a political goal.

It’s important to note that the Democrats are the ones who wanted to shut down what was happening in Congress that day, which was a coordination between Republican senators and congressmen who were disputing the results in six disputed states. And they were wanting to delay the certification, call for this 10-day audit. That looked like it actually was going to happen. So Democrats wanted the process shut down — and of course after this protest, riot, whatever you want to call it — that’s exactly what happened.

You had senators back off of their calls for audits to look at these contested states and so, of course, the results were certified 3 o’clock the next morning. And so that’s sort of where my reporting led me. What it looks like now a year later, more and more evidence that this was an inside job conducted by the government, D.C. police, Capitol Police — and certainly the FBI and DOJ — which seems to confirmed in the Newsweek that was published on Monday.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Julie Kelly, senior contribute to American Greatness and author of January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right. Julie, the Jan 6 defendants, you’ve been trying to raise their plight and the just abject abuse they’ve been subjected to in pretrial detention. This is not people that have been convicted. This has been people — being held without trial for months on end. What can you tell us about what they’ve been subjected to, and what do people need to know about how really what seems like political prisoners are treated in America?

KELLY: Right. We do have a political prison, and that’s not hyperbole. There’s a political prison in the shadow of the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., that is housing dozens of political protesters who dare to reject the outcome of the 2020 election. Right now, I think there are 40 or 50 men there. We have a total of 83 men who are being held under pretrial detention orders.

Now, this is a request made by Joe Biden’s Justice Department; these people are a threat to society because they were involved in the alleged, quote-unquote, “insurrection.” The overwhelming majority have no criminal record. Several are charged with no violent crime. But yet they are being denied bail by federal judges and D.C. district court, Trump-appointees all the way down to Reagan appointees denying them bail while their trials are delayed until the middle of next year. Some of these men don’t even have a trial date yet because DOJ keeps delaying discovery and trial dates. So they are political prisoners — there’s no question about it — and treated far differently than we see the activists and rioters from the summer of 2020.

CLAY: You all, that’s crazy to me — and I’m a lawyer, so I sit here and I’m thinking about this. Many of these… You said 83 of these prisoners, right? Many of them are potentially going to end up charged with crimes that could lead to less jail time than the time that they’re being held for right now.

KELLY: That’s right.

CLAY: This is insane. Why is this not, in many ways, a bigger story? And again, I’ve paid attention to this a little bit. But I had no idea the number was as high as 83.

KELLY: That’s right. It’s 83 now. It’s been up to a hundred. Some of them have been released. Some of them, of course, are taking plea deals because they are desperate to get out of prison and go back home and try to rebuild their lives and take care of their families. So that’s really what this is about, Clay. This is not because — you know this as a lawyer — they’re a flight risk or they’re a danger to their community because they’re repeat offenders.

This is political punishment, and so this is what they are now using too as a cudgel to try to force plea deals out of the some of the nonviolent defendants, certainly. But let’s say one of them pleads guilty to obstruction of an official proceeding. This is the main felony that’s been applied to over 200 defendants. Well, one man pleaded guilty. He got 15 months in prison. You are gonna have someone like Tim Hale, who I know. I won’t get into the details of his case.

He’s charged with no violent crime. If he takes a plea deal and accepts obstruction of an official proceeding, he will have been in jail for the same amount of time as the other past sentences before he even had a chance to defend himself. So they’re using this to punish people, and of course, to try to pry plea deals out of the people who were charged early on. We’re talking January, February, and March of last year.

CLAY: Julie, who are these men’s attorneys? Again, we need to get, Buck, some of these attorneys on of these people because these stories I think need to be told on as big of a scale as we can. But are they having trouble getting high-end legal representation because of the political crimes that they are accused of, which we have seen happen to a large extent all the way up to the president of the United States at times, I mean, where big law firms are saying, “Hey, we won’t fight. We won’t represent you.”

KELLY: Right.

CLAY: What are you seeing in terms of the quality of legal representation that they’re able to obtain, much of which I would imagine has to be pro bono because many of these people are not wealthy enough to be able to afford high-level legal representation.

KELLY: Well, that is a great point. Most of them — and, of course, almost all of them, as I said, have no criminal record. They’re not familiar. They’ve any been charged with crime before. So a lot of them saw early on, I can’t afford six-figures for a D.C. criminal attorney so a lot of them either have court appointed or public defenders. And some of these public defenders, as you can imagine, their political views are 180 degrees different than what their clients are.

CLAY: No doubt.

KELLY: They have made that clear to them. Some cases, you have court appointed attorneys who have put these Trump supporters through reprogramming, forcing them to read books and watch movies that portray America as systemically racist and anti-Semitic. So I have reporting on that in my book. But early on, they had to have the public defenders. And even as some criminal defense attorneys started to step up, there was no money.

There’s no apparatus on the right to help anyone who was ensnared in this investigation. But there has been something set up, the Patriot Freedom Project that has raised several hundred thousand dollars so far to help hire good criminal defense attorneys out of D.C. and New York to help represent some of these clients. So things are looking a little bit better for them. But early on, the early several months of this people were completely subjected, they were just really victims of the —

CLAY: Can you say that one more time where people with donate money for people who may need attorneys? What’s that, the Patriot…? Say it one more time.

KELLY: PatriotFreedomProject.com.

CLAY: Thank you.

BUCK: Julie Kelly, senior contributor to American Greatness. Her book, January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right is out this week. Julie, thank you for your work on this and for being here with us on the Clay and Buck show.

KELLY: Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

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Clay Donates $10K to Defend the Jan. 6th Political Prisoners

6 Jan 2022

CLAY: Every now and then we have a guest, and they say something that really rocks me, and the fact that — according to our guest — 83 people are still being held and denied bail, charged not even necessarily with crimes yet but many of the people who are pleading guilty to these charges are getting reduced jail sentences, limited jail sentences. I don’t think there’s very many people that are serving significant jail time for what — let’s be honest — by and large, is not a very significant crime, in the grand scheme of things.

BUCK: I had Julie on months and months ago on Hold the Line on The First TV, a show that I do, and we talked about this issue. And, Clay, if people read what the judge… I haven’t read all of the different orders, but in one of these cases where someone was being held… Remember, everybody, this is pretrial. Clay’s a lawyer. We were talking about this on the break. Our whole system is set up so that this can’t happen to you.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: You can’t just be held indefinitely on the whim of the state. This is why we not only have trial by jury, but it’s supposed to be a speedy, a reasonable speed of trial. You’re also supposed to be released pending hearing unless there’s a reason of either public safety or you’re a serious flight risk, right, and this is why they have bail set the way they do. They’ve been denied bail and the reason that one of the judges gave is:

“Well, if we let them loose, this person could have another insurrection to overthrow the government,” as if these people don’t realize what a disastrous idea it was to do anything that day involving either attacking cops or going into the building or whatever. As if they haven’t suffered enough essentially to realize that they would never… Their lives are destroyed already, Clay, right? So a judge won’t let them out because they might trying to have another selfie session in the Rotunda? Gimme a break.

CLAY: Buck, and this hits me as a lawyer because our job as lawyers is oftentimes to defend people who’ve been accused of heinous crimes. I have as a criminal defense attorney defended murderers. I have defended people accused of dealing drugs, of beating their — of domestic assault. That doesn’t mean that I agree with what those charges are or what those people are accused of doing.

That is the job of an attorney to zealously advocate for your client. I’m gonna tell you what I’m gonna do right now. I’m gonna donate $10,000 to this defense fund that she just gave out, Julie Kelly. I’m gonna donate $10,000 to PatriotFreedomProject.com, not because — and I’m gonna say this ’cause people are gonna cover it and they’re gonna be like, “Oh, Clay Travis…”

No, not because I’m saying these people didn’t do anything wrong but because I believe it is fundamentally un-American to hold people without giving them the opportunity to be released on bail, without charges being filed against them. And I believe that they deserve as good of legal representation as they can possibly get. So, today… I donate money to all sorts of different causes.

Usually, I don’t make it public, but I was so impressed by what Julie Kelly was telling us on the last segment that, as a lawyer who is currently licensed in multiple jurisdictions in the United States, I believe that these people are entitled to the best legal representation that they can get. And I don’t think it’s right — whether you’re Republican, Democrat, independent — to put people in jail for this long based on politics when it doesn’t appear to be that these people are a clear and present threat to American democracy.

So I believe they deserve the best legal representation they can get. They can get lawyers who will advocate for them zealously, as lawyers should be doing. And I’m saying this on behalf of somebody who has represented people who have done far worse than what these people are charged with.

BUCK: Where is the ACLU on this?

CLAY: Great question.

BUCK: Aren’t there these whole organizations that exist to prevent this kind of politicized abuse within the justice system? Really, human rights abuse by our own justice system. Remember, not only are they being held, folks, for those wondering about this, they’re abused by guards who don’t share their political ideology.

They’re often held in solitary confinement as if they’re in administrative segregation, I believe they call it, in the D.C. system. So, this is absolutely meant to be punitive and to send a message: You stand against this regime, you will not just be punished, you will be crushed beyond whatever the actual statutes are involved in your transgression.

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Why We Must Push Back on the Jan. 6th Lunacy

6 Jan 2022

CLAY: We appreciate all of you hanging out with us on a day that will live in infamy, according to Kamala Harris. January 6th, you see, according to the vice president in her speech today at the Capitol. Buck, she said a lot of dumb things. In fact, even Dan Quayle sometimes looks around and thinks, “My God, what is this vice president saying?” By the way, also a vice president who got treated worse than Kamala Harris in the media.

Remember, Kamala Harris said, “If I were a white guy, I’d be treated a lot better”? I’m sure Dan Quayle was like, “Oh, really? I was a white guy back in the eighties. I didn’t get treated that well.” But Kamala Harris, Buck, said that this day is equivalent of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. Of all the dumb things that she has said and frankly of all the dumb analogies that I have seen trotted out over the past few years — ’cause I think people are getting dumber in their analogy situation — this is one of the worst historical analogies I have ever seen.

I can’t even imagine that there are very many Democrats who see this and think, “Yeah, you know what? Those sound similar.” Thousands of people died in direct assaults upon the United States by foreign nations, that definitely sounds to me a bunch of selfie stick wearing and sharing people who decide to go into the Capitol because they’re angry about the election.

BUCK: Can I just add into this, Clay, that when they cite 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, think of what those events led to. A massive war in the Pacific. We lost thousands and thousands of soldiers, Marines, airmen. We dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You look 9/11, the invasion of Afghanistan, the Global War on Terror, the invasion of Iraq. They are comparing the day of QAnon Shaman’s ascendance into the media lexicon to those other incidents.

In her remarks on the one-year anniversary of January 6th, Kamala Harris compares the day to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. pic.twitter.com/TI17jNfDfo

— MRCTV (@mrctv) January 6, 2022

Now just even vocalizing this you take a moment, you say, ‘Are we spending more time? Are we spending more breath? Is it so absurd that it is self-evident?” I worry, though, that there are people who if we don’t actually shoot down this lunacy will think that we’re running from it. No. This is actually the same people that think you should be wearing two masks on the beach alone. Joe Biden, by the way, thinks you should apparently wear a mask on the beach alone.

They are the ones who are making these kinds of outside comparisons, and notice how on the right we condemned right away everybody. They were reading off text messages from some of our esteemed colleagues in conservative media saying, “Where’s Trump? Shut this down! This is a mess. This is a disaster.” Have they ever said that BLM was a mess a disaster a disgrace and an ongoing insurrection in the summer of 2020 in this country in an election year meant to intimate voters? Have they ever said that? They still won’t say that.

CLAY: Of course not. And the only thing I will say is, I’d like to thank Kamala and Joe because if they hadn’t spoken out today and if we hadn’t started off the show talking about January 6th, I’m not sure — and I’ll accept responsibility partially for this — that I would have realized that there are still 83 people who are being held without due process inside of United States prisons in Washington, D.C.

And, to me, that should be a clarion call for many people out there. To your point earlier, Buck, there used to be legal organizations that would stand on principle over politics and say, “Hey, this is wrong. We support principle of the right to First Amendment.” We were using the ACLU defending neo-Nazis marching in Skokie, Illinois, as a good example of somebody standing on principle even if they’re people who are advocating for a cause that you find reprehensible.

I’m thoroughly disgusted that there aren’t more lawyers willing to stand up and offer incredible legal representation — high-level legal representation — to these 83 people who are now stuck in prison facing minimal charges. I just made a donation to the legal defense fund, and in the days and weeks ahead, I hope we can give a little bit more attention to this ’cause I think it deserves it. This is all a total sham.

They’re gonna have a candlelight vigil in the Capitol today for January 6th. I have to think that that hyperbolic response is striking many of people in the middle of the country, right — middle of the road, not particularly political many nature — either they’re not paying attention, or they see the headline of Kamala Harris comparing January 6th to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor and they say, “Yeah, those aren’t remotely similar.”

BUCK: They’re doing this for a reason, folks. We should all be very clear about what that is. They want to either make sure Donald Trump does not run again — that’s part of this — or to make it essentially impossible based upon this narrative creation. I watched the speech; I’m sure you did too, Clay. I watched Biden’s speech and Kamala’s speech this morning. I read the transcript of Merrick Garland’s thing yesterday.

I couldn’t bring myself to sit there for the whole thing, but I watched Biden’s speech this morning. They blame it squarely on Trump. This is about politics. This is not about the sanctity of our democracy. This is not about protecting our sacred institutions for the leftists who are making comparisons like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor about this. It’s in order to use this to weaponize this as part of the narrative going forward.

It’s to embarrass, first, people who voted for Trump, to smear them all as insurrectionists and to try to prevent Donald Trump himself from feeling comfortable running again. That’s what they’re really hoping this will do — or, if he does run, he will be hamstrung by the realities of the insurrection narrative all around him because, remember, a lot of people vote based on just how it makes them feel to the cast that vote.

And so even with a failing covid policy and an open border and crime rate skyrocketing and an economy where now they’ve gotta take a page from Hugo Chavez’s book about the evil meat packers and all the rest of it — even with all that, Clay — there will be people in the swing states — they know this going forward, even in this midterm election — who go, “Ooh. I — I –I don’t know.

“We want normalcy, and anyone who supported Trump, they weren’t supporting normalcy and the insurrection,” and it starts to seep in their consciousness. That’s why the repetition and the exaggeration are so central to the propaganda, because people won’t even recognize how it affects their perception going forward.

CLAY: And here is one of the interesting things thinking about not only 2022 but 2024 as well that ties in with that. Right now, the Democrats have nothing to run on. Joe Biden has failed. Everything he has touched is much worse. You can just run through the list. Murders? Worse. Overall crime, which obviously ties into murders. The border, covid, which he claimed he was gonna shut down and which is continuing to set records every day so far this week.

What is Joe Biden actually going to run on? They have nothing. They are going to try to say, “Oh, 2022 is a rigged election,” okay. Before we even know what the results are? That’s really what this failed filibuster attempt is going to be, right, so they can immediately despite the fact they’re talking about they’re trying to save democracy. As soon as the 2022 election results my own when it’s a red tide, well, they’re going to say, “This happened…”

Wait for it, Buck. You know it’s gonna happen. “This happened because they changed the voting rules all over the country,” and they’re gonna continue this “democracy is under siege,” even though, let’s be clear: Stacey Abrams one of the patron saints of the Democrat Party right now; she never conceded. She lost by 50,000 votes in 2018. She’s running for election in 2022 as Georgia governor. She’s one of their patron saints of democracy and the importance. She’s never conceded that she lost.

BUCK: She’s a celebrated, fake governor on the left. They actually hold her up as some kind of a hero for refusing to accept the results of the election. And I think, Clay, we have to remind ourselves here for a moment as we’re going into this midterm that Democrats have a long and storied history of rejecting election results, and they also love to leverage a crisis or even the perception of one for an increase in their political powers in ways that have nothing to do with each other necessarily, right?

What’s the big push right now? It’s an attack on Trump. It’s meant to galvanize the whole January 6th insurrection narrative. It’s meant to galvanize the Democrat base. But really beyond that you can already see that they’re going to be using this to try to make Republicans aren’t able to annihilate them in the midterms and to push for this voting rights legislation. Voting rights legislation?

What does an insurrection have to do with voting rights legislation, I would ask anybody out there? And it’s, of course, the same thing. There’s a bad natural disaster somewhere? “Oh, we need the Green New Deal and to spend $5 trillion and child care for everybody and parental leave and all this,” and you say, “Well, hold on a second. What?” This is what they do? This is how they do the game.

CLAY: To your point, Buck — and I think it’s a good one — the Democratic campaign — I can already see it — in 2022 and 2024 is gonna be focused on shame. There are so many people in my industry who are public figures when I was in sports that were terrified to say they were voting for Donald Trump because they didn’t want to be shamed by others for saying they were a Trump supporter.

The Democrats, by branding everything racist, are trying to terrify suburban white voters who will decide this election, many of them white women. If they vote for Trump or the Republican Party in general, which they’re trying to tar and feather in conjunction with that, they are going to be considered racist. And that is the number one fear. The number one fear — you know this, Buck — of educated white people in this country, number one fear is that they’re gonna be called racist.

BUCK: Oh, if you went to a fancy school in America and you are running in elite circles, you would rather be called a traitor, a Russian spy — a murderer, probably — than being accused of being a racist, right? Someone accuses you of murder and you know you didn’t kill anybody, you’re like, “Yeah, whatever, that’s dumb.” Somebody accuses you of being racist, doesn’t matter if you are the most innocent and open-minded and wonderful person imaginable, that can stick to you in certain circles, at least, and that’s a problem.

CLAY: No doubt. Think about this, Buck. If you using your example, you have kids in an elite private school, right, let’s say New York City where you live. Is it better for you as a dad or a mom to get a DUI where you are 100% drunk as you can possibly be driving a car, or to be accused in the New York Times of having sent a racist email?

BUCK: Oh, 100% DUI.

CLAY: DUI.

BUCK: I’d go way beyond DUI!

CLAY: Multiple DUIs potentially. How high of a level of crime…? New York City public school parents, be ready. Certainly, any white-collar right, right, like embezzlement —

BUCK: Of course. Insider trading —

CLAY: — inside trading —

BUCK: — that’s what happenes on the tee times, insider trading.

CLAY: — gotten insider trading rap in —

BUCK: I think you go all the way up to violent felony and probably violent felony of a sexual nature. That’s worse than being called a racist publicly.

CLAY: Jon Gruden lost his job for homophobic emails and racist emails allegedly based on the release. He’s a former head coach of the Oakland Raiders. He would have been better off — I don’t think there’s any doubt — getting accused of major violent crime. Not up to murder, but if he had been accused of like three DUIs in three-straight months? He’s in Vegas? Way easier. I think he probably still keep his job.

BUCK: Probably true.

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6 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, the best tennis player in the world, Novak Djokovic, is currently embroiled in a customs dispute — I guess it would be a customs dispute — as he attempts to enter into Australia to play in the Australian Open.

BUCK: Immigration dispute.

CLAY: Immigration dispute. I guess immigration dispute would be wrong. Maybe his rackets are stuck in customs. I don’t know. So he’s not allowed in because he’s unvaccinated. But the best tennis player in the world is unvaccinated, already had covid, made the choice not to get vaccinated.

BUCK: He’s also gluten-free, by the way, and the test to that as being part of his rise to greatness. Just throwing that out there.

CLAY: I don’t even know if I would even know how to be gluten-free if I attempted to be gluten-free. I don’t think that I have the skill set to even analyze my diet to that extent. But the best football player in the world, the less the best quarterback in the world is presently Aaron Rodgers, maybe Tom Brady if you’re listening to us in Tampa or New England (and there’s still a lot of Brady aficionados). But right now Aaron Rodgers is favored to be the MVP of the NFL.

And recently a sports journalist… There are only 50 people who get to vote for NFL MVP. A sports journalist went on the radio and said he would not be voting for Aaron Rodgers because of Aaron Rodgers’ off-the-field decisions, including his decision not to be vaccinated. Aaron Rodgers tested positive for covid, had to miss a game, and this left-wing lunatic sportswriter said: As a result, I will not be supporting Aaron Rodgers for MVP.

Aaron Rodgers was not going to take that lightly. Yesterday he was asked about that choice, and he teed off. I think a lot of you out there — even you Chicago Bear fans, even you Detroit Lion fans, even you Minnesota Viking fans who have watched Aaron Rodgers run roughshod over your teams over the years — are going to respect this answer. Here is the Green Bay Packer quarterback on what he thought of an MVP voter who wouldn’t vote for him because he wasn’t vaccinated.

RODGERS: I think he’s a bum. I think he’s an absolute bum. He doesn’t know me. I don’t know who he is. No one knew who he was, probably, until yesterday’s comments. But, you know, his problem isn’t with me being a bad guy or the biggest jerk in the league, ’cause he doesn’t know me. He doesn’t know me. Doesn’t know anything about me I never met him. I never had lunch with him. I never had an interview with him. His problem is I’m not unvaccinated, you know, so if he wants to go on a crusade and collude and come up with an extra letter to put on the award just for this season and make it the Most Valuable Vaccinated Player, then he should do that. But he’s a bum.

Aaron Rodgers just teed off on the NFL MVP voter who said he wouldn’t vote for him because of off field issues. “He’s a bum…His problem is that I’m not vaccinated.” This is great, enjoy: pic.twitter.com/d1t3THdwZB

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) January 5, 2022

BUCK: This is the equivalent of a flying elbow off the top belt buckle, I think, to borrow from WWE, used to be F.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: When I watched it was WWF, but apparently the World Wildlife Federation got annoyed about that over time. But obviously Aaron Rodgers, great football player and, as we now know, great American, not taking any of the nonsense. It’s interesting, Clay, because it has obviously spread far inside sports. This us-versus-them mentality, has spread far inside the sports world, too.

Which you know backwards and forwards, that you have people that feel like, even when it comes to their favorite basketball player were you pro- or anti-Kyrie Irving, not based on how amazing his jump shot is or whatever but based on his vaccination stance. I really do think that the left and because of the echo chamber effects of social media and their general information fire hose dominance, under Trump created this sense of us and them always and in everything, right?

So it affects all aspects of your life. And I think as Trump has faded from the public square — because he’s been kicked off social media as well as no longer being president — there’s a need for the left to fill that with something and what I’m seeing happening is the same way that Trump, pro or anti, created this really severe separation in American society (that the left was using to try to divide and conquer, I think, in our politics) now you have a separation based upon vaccinated and unvaccinated.

And the unvaccinated have become this class of so-called undesirables that the establishment left is always able to blame. It’s Emanuel Goldstein from 1984. It’s the Two Minutes Hate. They’re the probable. Whenever they need, they turn to that, and also the insurrection which, of course, we’re seeing today but the unvaccinated now are replacing MAGA people as the primary target of the left’s ire because I think they need this sense of us versus them or else they might have to actually think about these policies they appreciate and push for.

CLAY: Well, what I would say here, too, is athletes are hyperaware of what they put in their body. And they have to be. Because whether it’s their diets, whether it is the supplements that they choose to take, the difference between a supplement that is permissive and one that is impermissible and could get you suspended and cost you millions of dollars is sometimes very slight.

And so a lot of athletes when they’re suddenly told for the first time in their careers, mind you, “You have to get this shot,” reacted in the same way they would if you told them that you had to eat some particular thing or you had to take some pill. A lot of them started doing their research, and even some who agreed to get the covid shot are now looking around and saying, “Wait a minute.

“We’re at all-time highs. Everybody is testing positive. There’s virtually no difference in whether you’re vaccinated or unvaccinated in terms of your likelihood at this point to test positive for covid.” I gotta give Aaron Rodgers credit, because what you see so often is somebody says something and it creates controversy, and then what do they do? They immediately back down. They apologize.

BUCK: (sniveling) I’m sorry! I’m so sorry!

CLAY: There are a lot of probably people out there that would have run and gone and gotten their covid vaccine even though it was totally unnecessary and thrown themselves prostrate on the American media and begged for forgiveness. Aaron Rodgers has basically shown up at every press conference since this happened, double birds already up, just letting the media have it over their embrace of cancel culture and insistence that he bow down and get a vaccine that he doesn’t need.

I gotta say, I got all of the respect for him for being willing to do it — and that line about the “MVVP,” the Most Valuable Vaccinated Player, is actually really funny to even think about. And then to call the guy a bum for the argument that he made and say straight up, “This is because I’m not vaccinated,” I give him a lot of credit for it. He’s totally owning it.

BUCK: You and I both know… I don’t even know this individual’s name, but we both know that he probably was getting a lot of high fives from the establishment, from the ESPNs and… I can’t even. That’s the only one that I know so that’s why I keep citing it. All the other ones that do the sports things.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I know one good one called OutKick and then I’ve heard of ESPN and then after that it gets very fuzzy. But, yeah.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I sit here and I see the way that you can’t be a person in public life and have your own opinion on this, even for yourself. You are immediately forced into being almost a vax… You have to be a vaccine advocate and a mandate advocate, right? We advocate for vaccines for folks over 65. We say we think it’s a good idea. That’s one thing, but you have to be a mandatory vaccine guy now.

And really you gotta be a mandatory booster guy and really you have to be a mandatory booster, double mask, testing, home testing, 10 days of quarantine — maybe go hang out in a camp in Australia surrounded by barbed wire where they won’t let you out except to get food — guy. When does the madness finally come to an end, Clay? When do we reach the terminus? It’s not even about when covid ends. Here’s how covid ends? Get shots if you’re at risk; otherwise, go about your life. The end. That’s what we should be doing.

CLAY: How it ends is ass kicking in 2022 followed by an ass kicking in 2024, and then the Democratic Party will have to acknowledge that they are fundamentally out of touch with the vast majority of the American public and that identity politics mixed with cancel culture is a cancer to this country and their party. That’s how I hope it ends.

BUCK: Can we also just make a marker here ’cause it is January 6th Insurrection Day. If they get wiped out in the midterms, you’re gonna hear constantly from Democrats about how it was racism and voter suppression — and if they lose to Trump or any other Republican in the next election, they will say that they cheated. We just know this.

CLAY: One hundred percent.

BUCK: While they’re lecturing us about refusing to accept results, we know that they will turn around and refuse to accept results. So that’s where we are.

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6 Jan 2022

SAPHIER: These people are putting our children in jeopardy. We have seen a markedly high-rise in suicides attempts, overdose attempts, and mental health suffering of our children. This is completely uncalled for, and I want to hear President Biden come out and defend these people just like he continues to condemn the unvaccinated. And what we just heard when he said that this is still “a pandemic of the unvaccinated”? No. That is not true.

Actually, vaccinated and unvaccinated are causing this virus to continue to transmit. That is the definition of a pandemic. What is… What we are seeing are higher hospitalization rates amongst the unvaccinated. Stop condemning and stop shaming people who are unvaccinated, yet not saying anything when people are putting our children’s life and welfare at stake.

CLAY: That’s Dr. Nicole Saphier on Fox News. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. She’s totally correct, and I always extend this to Fauci. Look at what this guy will and won’t condemn. That’s really his job is to go on TV and to tell — or he thinks it’s his job, at least, to go on TV and tell — people what they can and can’t do and what is and is not sound policy day to day for people in the era of covid.

And yet he will not speak out, ever, in a way that upsets Democrat constituencies. He will never… Fauci in almost two years — and obviously Biden since he’s been president — will never upset Democrat sensibilities no matter how stupid or in this case how vicious the policy is. Clay, all of the data, all of the information, and it’s obvious, if you think about it for a second. Everything going on here with children being kept out of schools is cruel, it’s damaging, it’s unjustified, and yet Chicago public schools, again, another day in America’s third largest city. Right? Maybe fourth now, as I think Houston’s the third now — Did Houston pass it? I think Chicago’s still third.

BUCK: What’s up, KTRH Land?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Well, Chicago’s close. Whatever.

CLAY: It’s a big city.

BUCK: Windy city. Big city. But the kids are out of school again ’cause there’s a deadlock, i.e., the teachers are saying, “No, we’re not going back. It’s too dangerous for us.” Where is the public health apparatus defending children against this madness? They are quiet because they are cowards, because they are Democrats, because this is political.

CLAY: It’s so well said, because Dr. Fauci will do every media outlet basically under the sun — except for this one, by the way. This is an easy opportunity for him to prove that he’s not partisan, right? Come out and say, “Hey, every single school needs to be open. The science is clear. The data is clear. Kids aren’t under a substantial risk at all from covid, and their teachers are under virtually no risk as well.”

Yet they’re all silent. And this is why I said yesterday on the show, if Trump wanted to respond to January 6th, I don’t think the way to respond to January 6th… By the way, Kamala Harris blew this whole thing up with the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 comparison, which just makes it seem laughable. But if Trump actually wanted to respond to this, to me the way to do it is, you bring your own media apparatus with you.

You go to Chicago, and you say, “I’m not here to talk about past. I’m here to talk about the future. We absolutely, positively have to have every single kid back in school right now at this exact moment. There’s no way to defend it any other way,” and I believe that would — for him — absolutely be a winning issue in a unique fashion that changes the storyline in a monstrous way overnight.

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6 Jan 2022

CLAY: I was having some fun yesterday on social media sharing the latest covid data, and some of the Biden White House advisers over the time decided to hop in. They were really fired up that I would be sharing the data, and I basically just said, “Hey, if this is a covid vaccine success story, what would a covid vaccine failure story look like?” and I shared the overall number of cases hitting an all-time high as we’ve been doing every single day.

Question I would love for Joe Biden & Dr. Fauci to answer: “If this graph of covid cases, which just set an all time high several times the previous all time high set last year, represents covid vaccine success, what would covid vaccine failure look like?” pic.twitter.com/2alSjcQrNo

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) January 5, 2022

And then I went in and looked at the New York Times database here of United States vaccinations. And I think it’s important ’cause Joe Biden and his cronies keep referring to covid as “a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” which is 100% not true, and I just wanted to share these numbers ’cause I think they will stun a lot of our listening audience. This is directly from the New York Times.

“Percentage of people 65 and up who have gotten at least one dose of the covid vaccine: 95%.” I want to make sure you understand that: 95% of people who are age 65 or older have gotten at least one covid shot. But it’s even more impressive than that: 18 and up, 86% of Americans — 18 and up, adults — have gotten at least one covid shot.

When they talk about the fully vaccinated number — and right now it’s at 62% — they’re talking about babies all the way up to the oldest people in America fully vaccinated but getting at least one shot, like my boy Buck here with the Johnson & Johnson version. So 95% 65 and up, 86% 18 and up. Those are monster numbers that none talks about.

BUCK: I don’t even know. Is there a J&J booster that’s available these days? I don’t even know.

CLAY: (laughing) I don’t think you’re allowed to get the J&J anymore.

BUCK: Now I’m supposed to just move on to something else here? ‘Cause New York now, folks, there’s a booster mandate that at least de Blasio put into place. Now, they’re really just pushing the vaccine mandate if you already have a shot. But they’re gonna push for the boosters too. Our friend Ian — who I don’t really know him other than on Twitter — gets a lot of attention. This is what this guy does ’cause I know, Clay, you like —

CLAY: He does fabulous work.

BUCK: We both know him — @ianmSC is his Twitter handle — and all he does is share data. He’s just sharing the numbers all the time with some sometimes pretty amusing snarky commentary, but it is all just data that is official. It’s not him coming up with numbers from CrazyRightWingAntivax.org or net or something. And this was fascinating ’cause Ontario is in a full on lockdown right now insofar as we do them here, right?

Now people are starting to say — you’ve noticed this? — real lockdowns have never been tried, which I was saying in the beginning because it is true in a sense, we don’t do real lockdowns here. We do the Zoom work from home class gets to hang out and have other people keep the roads clean, bring ’em their food, cook them their stuff, you know, make sure the groceries and the drugstores are open. But so we’ve never done a real lockdown. But the point here is Ontario has gone into a partial lockdown, you could call it. Did you see this data, Clay, that he shared?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This is from the official Canadian equivalent of CDC. In the hospitals but not in the ICU right now, fully vaccinated cases, 536; partially vaccinated cases, 42; unvaccinated cases, 236. Now, obviously a huge number of Candians are vaccinated so you don’t have that large of an unvaccinated pool to begin with. But that’s a lot of fully vaccinated people in the hospital in Ontario relative to the overall numbers we’re talking about here.

CLAY: Yeah, and it hardly gets talked about at all, which is why this argument we have “a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” it is not an exaggeration to say that is a lie. The data does not in any way support that and even those numbers — I bet a lot of people who heard those — 95% of people 65 and older have had at least one shot, 86% of all people 18 and up have had at least one shot? Those are massive numbers. So in order for there to be a pandemic of the unvaccinated, the 14% that have never gotten a shot at all would have to be overwhelming to get to a million cases a day. The people who are mostly getting covid causes are vaccinated by far.

BUCK: In the next 30 days, I believe, you’re going to see in the rhetoric from the White House and the CDC and the Fauciite apparatus — you know, Fauci’s staying until the end. He’s gonna be there for as long as Biden’s president. This guy thinks he’s the only person who can go out there and represent this point of view effectively even though he’s deeply compromised, horrible at his job, awful judgment. Put that aside for a second, Clay.

I think they’re gonna move on to the unboosted as the unvaccinated soon. The logic of their position is that they have to keep this going because otherwise what will happen is, “Well, I got the shot. Hold on. Now my protection is where, exactly?” particularly for those who are at risk, they’re gonna have to keep getting the shot but then they’re gonna say everything else has to keep getting the shot to lower the overall risk pool as well so if you are unboosted.

Just listen for the way they’re gonna change. The same way there’s no more breakthrough case talk about anymore really. We’ve talked about this. They’re never saying, “Oh, my gosh, breakthrough case are so rare!” They were telling you that a few months ago. They’re going to start saying, “It’s your patriotic duty to get boosted, not just to get the shot, to get boosted,” which is also another way of letting everyone know this is a forever cycle now, because there’s no basis.

If you look at the numbers, there’s no basis for ever stopping the shot if you’re going to make people get a second, a third, a fourth. Eeven with the dropping fatality rate of the overall virus and even with the enormous increase in natural immunity in this country, now you have to wonder, “Look, do the variants evade at some level natural immunity?” We’re big natural immunity proponents. Is it really preventing you from getting Omicron the same way that it prevented you from getting Delta? I don’t know. These are questions that we might have answers to if the CDC actually cared. But as we know, they don’t care about natural immunity at all, it seems.

CLAY: Which is why we’re gonna keep sharing whatever the rational, real factual data is as opposed to sharing what is, frankly, lies of the narrative that Joe Biden has. I think you’re right. I think he’s painted himself into a corner because they went all-in with the vaccines are gonna end covid, and now what really they need to happen is for natural immunity — for everybody basically to get Omicron — and hope, frankly, that it is providing protection against future variants ’cause, you know there’s gonna be more and more to come in the future.

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BUCK: I guess on the covid front things could be worse. I never like to frame things that way ’cause you could always say that, but we could be living in the dystopia down under that is Australia these days. It is abject lunacy that’s happening there. And keep in mind, people have been sharing this recently. There are old headlines and treats from the establishment/legacy media about how Australia used science to crush covid and there’s no covid in Australia because they listen to science.

They have an all-time high caseload, and they’ve had the most extreme measures of any place outside of China — and we don’t really know the full extent of what’s gone on in China. But in any open society where you actually have some transparency about what the government policies may be, Australia really to have been — maybe New Zealand’s right alongside it, but Australia has — taken a super heavy-handed approach.

Here is the Northern Territory of Australia chief minister, just to give you a sense of where things could go here in this covid era, saying that basically if you’re — remember, this is not if you’re covid positive. If you are unvaccinated, you are not allowed to leave your home except to feed yourself so you don’t starve, I guess.

MICHAEL GUNNER: That’s right. There are only three reasons to leave the home now, not five. Work is not a reason to live the home for the unvaccinated. The chief health officer has also determined that restriction of movement is critical right now and that one hour of exercise for the next four days is not essential. Remember these restrictions only apply to those who are not fully vaccinated.

BUCK: Basically, Clay, if you are not fully vaccinated — which, remember, is a moving target and now unboostered is, effectively, going to become not fully vaccinated — the only reason you’re allowed to leave… You’re not allowed to leave your home to walk alone outside according to this guy. It’s like a state in Australia, right. According to this governor, in a sense, the only reason to leave your home that’s acceptable is to buy food or go I guess to a doctor’s appointment if you’re unvaccinated. They’re telling healthy people they can’t leave their houses.

CLAY: And also this is just a blame factory. Make no mistake about what’s going on here. Covid cases are skyrocketing. The argument that the reason why covid was still here was because everyone had not gotten vaccinated. That’s a hundred percent a lie, okay? And I come from the world of sports, and you can use the sports leagues as a perfect representation of that. NHL, 100% virtually vaccinated. NFL, right at 95% vaccinated. NBA, 97% vaccinated.

Buck, all three of those sports leagues are setting all-time highs when it comes to covid positivity rates. So they represent a strong case, clearly, ’cause they’re young and healthy, probably even less likely to get covid than your average person would be, they are still having record high rates of covid, which proves that you can’t vaccinate your where a out of it. To your point about the fact that we are redefining constantly what fully vaccinated is. The NCAA, which is the organization that manages college athletics in this country…

I just got texted by a couch during the course of our show saying, “Hey, the NCAA has put out their new rules and regulations, and you are required now to be boostered.” In addition to your fully vaccination status, college kids who are under no risk — just like you were saying, Buck — in order to be considered fully vaccinated now, you have to be boostered as well in order to be a fully vaccinated athlete for purposes of NCAA rules.

BUCK: And the spite with which the Democrat apparatus, the Biden regime, the legacy media has been referring to — and the spite with which they have treated — those who have been unvaccinated is going to soon go toward the unboostered as well. I think that’s very clear because the alternative is to accept that they’re not as smart as they thought they are, they can’t control this virus, their overreach was unjustified, and maybe they should just stop being crazy.

They don’t want to stop being crazy. They want to stay in power, they want to keep using this. Here is an NYU medical ethics professor who was on TV, who is straight up saying the quiet part out loud here. Increasingly, it’s not even the quiet part. This is what’s being said by people who take the Fauciite point of view, which is make the unvaccinated not just make their lives difficult. Make them miserable, put them at greater risk, punish them, hurt them, make them feel the pain. Here he is.

ARTHUR CAPLAN: When you’re fighting a war, you need all hands on deck. I don’t want to reject those who still haven’t done the right thing. I’ll condemn ’em, I’ll shame them, I’ll blame them, but I don’t want to exclude them. They’ve got to come around. We can’t win this war — we’re gonna be talking about covid this time next year — if we don’t get more people to do the right thing. So we can’t write ’em off. We can penalize them more. We can say you gotta pay more on your hospital bill if you weren’t vaccinated. You can’t get lifestyle or disability insurance at affordable rates if you weren’t vaccinated. Those companies should not treat us as equals in terms of what the financial burdens are that that disease imposes.

BUCK: So cut off your life insurance. So if you’re unvaccinated, and you die in a car accident because you can’t afford your lifestyle anymore, now your family’s destitute. This is what these psychopaths are saying on TV. This is a medical ethics professor, Clay! (laughing) This is the opposite of medical ethics.

CLAY: It’s true. (laughing) But we talked about earlier in the show 95% of people 65 and up have lore gotten at least one covid shot; 86% of people who are 18 and up have already gotten at least one covid shot. That’s almost everyone in the entire country, and by the way, of the 14% who have it… I would be one of those people, right? I’ve already had covid.

So what percentage of the people that he’s claiming are deserving of infinitely higher rates of all this different lifestyle and everything else that he might want to buy are actually not in any reasonable danger? Look, I’m gonna die. I hate to break it to you. There’s probably a lot of people out there that are like, “Yes! I can’t wait for that to happen.” But the chances of it being from covid statistically are virtually zero because I’ve already recovered from covid. I’m far more likely to get in my car and die driving to the grocery store, right? So this idea of not being able to rationalize actual risk underlies all of this insane ideation that’s out there.

BUCK: There’s this control desire as well that’s at the heart of all this, because shouldn’t we be at a point based on the Fauciite logic here where if you want to be in that 5% of 65 and over that aren’t gonna be vaccinated, that’s on you? And to be very clear, Clay and I — not that we’re doctors — both strongly advise, if you are 65 and up, to please give yourself that additional protection of getting vaccinated. The numbers support that very clearly. I would never mandate anybody, never tell anybody they get fired or get an apartment or insurance, of course. But we’re asking you that you’re at that age. But we should be at a point now where the left would say, all right, look, if you want to take that risk that’s on you.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The problem is, they like the power they have from all of this. People have become, on the left, culturally accustomed to living with this now. This is the way that they think of the world. “I have to mask up. I have to be scared all the time.” And they’re not truly feeling safe even when they themselves are vaccinated because they’ve figured out it does not stop the spread. But then you’d say shouldn’t that make them not care if somebody else gets vaccinated or not? And then of course it’s like the whole thing melts down, the system overheats, and the brain stops functioning, which is essentially where we are.

CLAY: Here’s the easy question for everybody out there, and I asked this yesterday on Twitter: Name me a vaccine that’s been considered a success that requires up to four shots in the first year and doesn’t keep you from getting or spreading the virus that you got vaccinated for?

BUCK: And medical heavyweight Slavitt coming at you on Twitter on that one. He’s like, “Let’s go, Travis,” and I could almost hear the knuckle cracking from your end on Twitter. You’re like, “Yeah, let’s go. Let’s throw down.”

CLAY: I’d love to have him on the show love to have Dr. Fauci on the show because I think they would get eviscerated with actual factual data maybe there’s one out there maybe there’s a widely successful vaccine that required you to get up to four shots in a year and still allowed you to get and spread the virus that you got the vaccine for. I’m just not aware of it.

BUCK: (impression) “Maybe I could interview Fauci as Fauci and see what he thinks of that strategy.”

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