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Gut Punch: Great TV Dad Bob Saget Dead at 65

10 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, some bad news for people I would say of our generation and even younger and certainly older as well, it used to be that we had all these great sitcoms. We were kind of like in the wheelhouse, Buck. You’re a couple years younger than I am, but you could sit around, and you could watch the family sitcom, right? And a big part of the family sitcom with the TGIF, thank God it’s Friday.

BUCK: I loved it. I watched it religiously. As a young 12-, 13-, 14-year-old, I loved it.

CLAY: Yes. And you could watch these shows with your mother, with your grandma and grandpa, your younger brothers and sisters. Everybody kind of sat around the television together, whether it was The Cosby Show, whether it was Family Ties, and this feels kind of like a gut punch. Bob Saget, who was one of the all-time great TV dads from Full House, and then they had come back, and my kids loved it. I believe it’s on Netflix, Fuller House, which is an updated version of Full House. So Bob Saget, 65 years old, out of nowhere, just dropped dead. There was no indication that he might be sick. He’d done a comedy show the night before and this was kind of a gut punch that kind of came out of nowhere.

BUCK: I think that was probably my favorite of the TGIF lineup — and for the rough years of Clay’s and my ages, you know what I’m talking about. I did love Family Matters.

CLAY: Carl Winslow.

BUCK: Carl Winslow, one of the one of the great TV dads, as well and that whole thing came together because of the cop he played in Die Hard, a movie we share as one of the great loves of cinema. But, yeah, in Full House, he was great. I had to get a bit older to learn that not everyone gets to live in a $3 million town house in San Francisco overlooking a park. I was like, “Yeah, this is just how Americans live.” As a little kid, I had never even been to San Francisco ’til I was an adult and then I found out, “Oh, oh, they basically lived in a mansion.”

CLAY: It wasn’t as expensive, these Victorians. I can identify gingerbread houses that they lived in for those of you who remember that show. By the way, I jotted down a bunch of TV dads that I thought were pretty fantastic around that same era. Bob Saget. Alan Thicke, the dad on Growing Pains.

BUCK: Amazing. Amazing.

CLAY: Jason Seaver, if I remember correctly. Bill Cosby — before we knew the Bill Cosby off the camera.

BUCK: I think he’s canceled, Clay.

CLAY: I don’t know, but the show itself, The Cosby Show is still really, really good. He is a great TV dad, played the role of a great TV dad. Carl Winslow from Family Matters. Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

BUCK: Fantastic, yep.

CLAY: Another fantastic dad. There used to be a lot of awesome dads back in the day. I don’t even know now. I guess the Goldbergs. You ever wash that Goldberg show?

BUCK: No, never seen that.

CLAY: What’s it called, like it’s the 1980s, nineties Goldbergs-esque show. It had the dad. I think he just got fired for all sorts of issues.

BUCK: I would say coach Eric Taylor of Friday Night Lights.

CLAY: Phenomenal dad.

BUCK: I want him to be the coach of my kids’ team. We got bring him back.

CLAY: We could use coach Eric Taylor to give us pep talks during the course of the show.

BUCK: Absolutely. Oh, my God. I want to wear a Dillon Panthers T-shirt or sweatshirt while doing this I’d even wear the silly hat with the khaki shorts he wore all the time.

CLAY: We should have had more of that show, I would say. I wish it had gone on longer. It got hurt by the writers’ strike at one point.

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Chicago Teachers Stay Home, Fail the Children

10 Jan 2022

DR. ASHISH JHA: So first of all, remote learning has been a disaster for America’s kids, and I think we have to acknowledge that and we have to do everything we can to minimize any further remote learning. Look, I understand teachers’ frustration. A lot of school districts did not put in — did not use the billions of dollars that they had gotten to put in improvements in ventilation and other upgrades.

So the question is can you still have school in the middle of a surge, and the answer is you can. Teachers should be vaccinated teachers should be vaccinated and boosted if people wear high quality masks. Even without those other upgrades which I’d like to see, it still is safe for kids and teachers to be back in school. So I think at this point there’s really no good explanation for having remote schools.

BUCK: No explanation. That was Dr. Ashish Jha there. He’s one of these guys who goes on a lot of the cable news. He’s on MSNBC, CNN, though, not somebody that you would think necessarily is gonna ever call out the Fauciites nonsense. But right now what we’re talking about is this issue of schools because the city of Chicago has 350,000 children who are for the fourth day all of school — and you would say, “Hold on a second. Why is that going on?” We all know why, right?

Teachers unions have artillery power, and they know that they get paid. If you run a small business or you’re an employee of a company that has bills to pay and you say, “Yeah, I know that it’s fine and a lot of other people and yada yada and I’m vaccinated and boosted, but I’m just not going to work,” that’s a problem. That’s not gonna work out so well.

But if you’re getting paid by the taxpayer and you have Democrat politicians in your pocket — because you’re the teachers union and you raise money for them and you’re essentially a Marxist public sector union — you can get away with this kind of stuff. And this is so interesting. This was actually the head of the Chicago Teachers Union speaking out on this. Just listen to him here. What he says.

JESSE SHARKEY: Hey, everyone’s making a hard choice, right, in — in — in — in the context of this. People are making a hard choice about whether to go to the grocery store or not.

BUCK: No, actually, not true. This is not a hard choice. The rest of the country not only has schools open, Clay, but there have been schools that were open that did fine before there was even a vaccine. Private and parochial schools across the country even here in New York City stayed open prevaccination, have been ol’ the whole time there’s a vaccine — obviously not in the summertime. There is no good-faith argument for this. And the fact that Biden won’t just come out and say, “This is nonsense, knock it off,” just goes to show you these libs don’t care about kids.

CLAY: To me, this is the biggest failure of all the covid failures, because you are talking about the city of Chicago, where every bar is open, where every sports arena is open — you can go sit, 20,000 people can, and watch the Chicago Bulls play a basketball game or watch the Chicago Blackhawks play a home game — and yet your kids aren’t allowed to be in public school.

It’s an unmitigated disaster that we could be here, and it is a fundamental failure of Joe Biden’s leadership that he doesn’t just come out and say, “Every kid in every school has to be back,” and I don’t know how this situation revolves itself, Buck, because we’re talking about four days now where the teachers unions are refusing to go back and where Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot is actually trying to hold them accountable but doesn’t have any real ability to do so.

How does this situation resolve itself? I don’t even really know the answer. This is a monstrous out number of people and this is why I said — and I’ll continue to say it — January 6th was a disaster the way that Democrats tried to honor it with the singing of a song from Hamilton and the candle lit vigil on the steps and Dick Cheney is suddenly a hero of the left wing of this country.

Everybody is trying to get their picture taken with him after they wanted him charged with war crimes during the Iraq war fallout. All of that took place, and yet no one is really speaking out about Chicago in the Democratic Party at all. You’ve got a Democratic governor. You’ve got all Democrats who are running the city of Chicago. You’ve certainly got, in the nation, an apparatus that is very pro-teachers union. And right now, they are effectively kicking Joe Biden in the teeth and saying, “We’re not gonna open.”

And, by the way, this is important because it’s also spread. My understanding is, Atlanta area kids are not in school, some of them are remote. Milwaukee area kids. A lot of kids. My kids went back, we had some snow days, went to back to public school today for a return to normal class. But there are a lot of schools that are coming back either this week or next weekend MLK Day some start the day after, this is a big mess and there are many school districts in particular all over this country, blue city and often blue state locations where kids — two years after 15 days to slow the spread — are still not gonna be back in-person school.

BUCK: When you listen to the arguments of the Chicago Teachers Union — and to be fair — and we do that here. We are fair. We make these real arguments, or, rather, we present you with the real arguments from the other side and we call out good behavior and good comments no matter who it comes from. You know, we give high fives where deserved. Even Lori Lightfoot is like, “What the heck are you guys doing in the teachers union.”

The mayor, the very left wing and not very competent mayor of Chicago is saying, “You guys gotta get your butts back in the classroom. This is crazy,” because if you take them at their word that this is really just about fear of the virus at this point think about what that means. They’re talking about adults who are all vaccinated and boosted who are going to be exposed to children who have never been at high risk nor a likely source of spread to adults.

And they’ve never even really understood why that is. The theory is that young immune systems may clear it so quickly and have such a small viral load. Maybe they also, you know, have less droplets in the air when they breathe. Whatever, the point is, kids don’t spread it to adults very readily. If they’re not willing to go into work at a time, Clay, when grocery store workers and postal workers and carpenters and contractors — name somebody, right?

Bar owners. If they’re not willing to go to work when everybody else is, when are they willing to go to work? I think there’s some part of them that they maintain this fantasy of they least want to have the option for, quote, “remote learning,” which means really no learning, whenever they want for as long as they want, because otherwise, what’s the end of this? When everybody has high-speed filters installed in every public school in Chicago. Give me a break. Good luck with that.

CLAY: And we also have to remember — and, again, I want to reiterate. We know we have tons of listeners of this show — teachers, principals, vice principals, administrators — that are also agreeing with us. So I don’t want to paint with a broad brush with idea ’cause many teachers out there — for instance, my public school kids’ teachers — have been back in school for forever now.

But the precedent that we set, Buck, was in March of 2020 we basically let teachers just walk off, and we paid their full salaries. And they, effectively, got months of vacation with no responsibility really to speak of. I’m talking about March until the end of the school year. There was almost no remote learning that went on March, April, May, June of 2020.

And then the remote learning started because we were in the middle of the presidential cycle and because we failed as a country for many people in August and September. But we set the precedent, unfortunately, with teachers that it’s unsafe for you to go back in the classrooms, and we will pay your full salary if you don’t do it. I’ve said from the get-go we should look at the percentage of efficacy when it comes to remote learning.

And it is massively lower, and we should undercut every teacher’s salary by let’s say 40% and say, “Hey, if you want to teach remotely, we’ll give you 60% of your salary but the other 40% goes back to the taxpayer.” I bet almost every teacher — if you said that — would say, “Oh, no! I want to go back to the classroom,” right?

BUCK: What do you think about my hidden camera theory that of all these — and, by the way, this is the Chicago teachers unions we’re talking about, to Clay’s point. I know there have been my Jesuit High School here in New York City, they’ve been open in fall of 2020. They’ve been open for a long time.

Plenty of schools, thousands and thousands of them across the country and teachers have been showing up, a lot of them have gotten covid, they’re fine. Anyway, I think if you followed around the teachers union president with a hidden camera what you’d find is he’s really scared of covid from kids in the classroom or maybe he doesn’t even teach, right, but some of his members — and they’re at packed bars in downtown Chicago watching the football games, Mr. Travis, enjoying themselves.

CLAY: It is a great point. It reminds me back in the day when you have had have somebody claim that they had a major injury for a traffic accident or whatever and you would hire an insurance adjuster if you were a lawyer and you would follow that person around and be like, “Well, you know, you were able to go to the gym. I got pictures here of you.”

BUCK: I got a picture of you on the water slide. It didn’t seem to make a difference.

CLAY: Yeah. And when you were out dancing at the bar and like everything else. I mean, I love that idea. And you know what’s happened is do you remember I think it was the Chicago-area teachers union head, wasn’t it, who got popped on her vacation to Puerto Rico?

BUCK: I kind of remember this. I think that’s right. We have to fact check that one.

CLAY: It was definitely a teachers union. We need to look up during the break but one of them was at Puerto Rico. They weren’t even smart enough not to post their vacations going out of country when they were supposedly too afraid to teach.

BUCK: I just want to know: Did AOC, who has covid now, folks. Did she stop taking the virus cereals? Did she let her guard down too soon? Notice how it’s always a moral failing of anyone the left doesn’t like when they get covid. Meanwhile, I’ve had covid; you’ve had covid. It’s all over the place. So many people listening, probably about three quarters of people listening to this have had covid already. But notice she goes to down to Florida. I guess she’s not so scared of Ron DeSantis’ Florida after all, Clay. Oh, what a shock.

CLAY: No doubt, Buck. And, by the way, the number of people that I’m hearing now who have covid, whole families that aren’t even in the data, right, like everybody tests positive so it’s all home tests or whoever so we’re talking a million official cases or whatever it is. It might be two or three times that with people who know they have it that are staying at home. This is crazy.

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Doomed in NYC: Eric Adams Picks Up Where de Blasio Left Off

10 Jan 2022

BUCK: NYC. My hometown. A lot of people are listening on 710 WOR NYC right now, and you are very much affected by, in the day-to-day, exactly what we’re about to talk about here. But across the country, let me just give you this quick pitch. This is… Los Angeles, New York, you see what happens in these places, and it’s what the Democrats want to do to the whole country if they can, if they could.

And it gives you a sense of their mind-set going forward into this midterm election year because we had been thinking for a while, I think, on the right, “Oh, my gosh. Biden is such a joke. These policies that are being implemented are so bad that the Democrats are gonna have to do what they usually do in an election year, which is pretend to be something other than that which they are.”

Do a little head fake toward the center. “Oh, yeah, we’re not a bunch of quasi-Marxists running around who want to undermine the very foundations of American society. No, no, no! Of course not, right? We’re not teaching critical race theory to your kids in school. No, we don’t do that — and if anyone was doing it, we’ll put a stop to it.” You would think they might do that.

But that’s not necessarily what’s actually happening, and New York is an example, I think, of, “Oh, wow, they might just be so ideologically committed that they’re gonna keep on ruining this place.” They’re gonna keep doing what they’ve done in San Francisco, in New York City, in Los Angeles, and destroy the largest cities in America, make them unlivable hellholes.

Eric Adams was the great hope to end this, and I can tell you that so far it looks like he may just be a continuation in many ways of the de Blasio decline. He might be a little bit better on police but let me start with this: He has backed allowing 800,000 noncitizens — and I just want to say this: “Noncitizens” is not a term we should use. We should use the actual federal legal code term, which is illegal alien, or, if you want to, illegal immigrant.

But it is a violation of U.S. law for people not the in this country legally to be here. That has not changed. That is still in the books. If the Democrats don’t think that’s fair, they should be advocating for the elimination of illegal status — which we know they will do, but it’s just of question of when they have the votes and the power to try to get it through.

But, in the meantime, Clay, 800,000 illegal aliens in New York City are now — because Eric Adams has allowed the legislation to automatically become law on Sunday; he did not veto it, 800,000 illegals are now — voting for city council, for the mayor. What does this say to people who, first of all, live here, second of all have to pay the outrageous taxes to live here and the people that came through system legally? It looks like Democrats don’t care, like they make a mockery of all of it.

CLAY: No one saw this news who is an American citizen and thought, “This solidifies my decision to live in New York.” That’s my number one takeaway, and this is significant because Eric Adams has publicly said a lot of the right things, which is one of the first things he’s gonna do is get on a plane and go down to Florida, he said, and try to persuade people who had left New York to move to Florida, had taken their tax dollars from New York to Florida and was going to try to persuade them to come back.

This is the exact opposite of that. My second thought is: There’s no way this is constitutional. So the idea — and again, I understand people out there, some are gonna say, “Well, this is just a local election. This is not a state or federal election.” But to me, the idea that you can allow… First of all, how are you going to distinguish, right? So we already know that New York City’s elections are a total mess. They’ve acknowledged it.

The mayor race itself was a mess. They put out wrong numbers. They had to correct them. How are you going to easily create a system where you are going to allow people to vote in local locations, but then not the allow them to vote in state or federal elections? It seems to me that this would be rampant fraud opportunities because you’re gonna have, what, two different registers of who exactly is legal to vote and who’s not and what are the rules and ramifications here? I just find it hard to believe that this is going to be upheld constitutionally.

BUCK: But it shows you the mentally here, folks.

CLAY: Certainly.

BUCK: This is a new era for New York. They’ve already done something like this in San Francisco. They are making moves to do things like this in Los Angeles and other places. But here’s Eric Adams when this was being talked about. Here’s how he responded.

JAKE TAPPER: Doesn’t the bill just make a mockery of the idea of American citizenship, though? I mean, this is just for local elections. But does that mean, like, next New York City is gonna want noncitizens to vote in federal elections? I mean — and what do you say to all the people who went through the process, the difficult process of becoming an American citizen, studying for the test, swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States of America, who now see this legislation just saying, “Well, anyone who’s here, you can go ahead and vote”?

ADAMS: Well, I’d say to them, “Keep doing it,” you know, “membership has its privileges.” Being a member of what we call United States of America is a great privilege, and I would tell them keep doing it. Don’t let anything daunt you or take you away from that mission. This legislation is not going to do that.

BUCK: That’s a laughable non-answer, by the way. Some actual questions being asked, in fairness, on CNN there.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: A laughable nonanswer. So what are people to make of this? We haven’t even talked about the fact yet (laughing) that this mayor’s gonna have to be working in a world are the district attorney, Bragg, is apparently saying, “What do you mean you guys are gonna be upset at me because I’m not gonna put armed robbers in prison at all?” There’s a lot of indicators here that Adams is not going to be the savior of New York City.

I think increasingly, to be a Democrat today in good standing, Clay, you have to embrace a level of derangement. I mean, you have to actually think that it’s not that the policies are failing; it’s that we haven’t done them enough. Whether it’s covid, criminal reform, illegal immigration, if we just get more of the thing that’s working out really poorly for America, eventually there will be a good thing.

CLAY: And here is what I think is gonna be one of the lasting impacts of covid, right? Eventually covid is going to go away. Covid politics are going to go away. It may take two or three years, may take longer than that before the entire cycle of the covid political arena is exhausted. But what is not gonna go away, Buck — and I’m curious how much you think this plays in big cities like New York have relied upon the “network effect.”

Even if they make poor decisions, people have said, “Oh, well, I have to be in New York because I’ve gotta do this job or that job. I’ve got a Wall Street job and I’ve gotta be in New York. I’ve got a media job and I’ve gotta be in New York.” I think what has happened with covid is many people have realized that the technology exists for them to do their jobs anywhere certainly in the country and in many cases all over the world.

And so you are creating new dynamic levels of competition that the big cities I’m not sure have recognized enough. I’ll use you as an example, Buck, when you and I started doing radio. Let’s say it’s 20 years ago, you’re doing radio, being in a studio was a requirement. In order to have the right technology, in order to have the right sound you went into a physical studio, and you had to be present in a particular location.

You and I have got the biggest radio show in the country — thanks to taking over for Rush who had built the biggest radio show in the country — and much like Rush, even back then, he could travel around. But covid has allowed radio in a way that never would have existed before to be taking place anywhere in the world. And you can do this show from anywhere. I think that translates not just for our job but for many jobs out there, and I’m not sure politicians are aware of how much competition exists now for the New York Citys of the world.

BUCK: And it needed for a lot of jobs presence was required.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You had to actually be there if you were gonna work. Investment the banking was the big thing in New York City in the nineties and then in the 2000s it became being a hedge fund guy. Yeah, some of that could be done remote. But generally, you had been there in the meeting, in the room with people, and now in the digital era that’s certainly changing. I also just want to note, Clay, back to the Eric Adams as savior or not of New York City. By the way, if you’re asking me to place a bet I think that he’s gonna be… If de Blasio was an F, I think Eric Adams is gonna be like a C-, is my grade. So not good, but a little better than de Blasio.

CLAY: A few degrees.

BUCK: Yeah. So it’s not great. He’s made his brother, I think, it’s is a deputy commissioner level senior role in the NYPD, gets hired. Listen to how Eric Adams explains this.

ADAMS: Let me be clear on this. My brother is qualified for the position. Number one, he will be in charge of my security, which is extremely important to me in a time when we see an increase in white supremacy and hate crimes, I have to take my security in a very serious way, and I need someone that I trust around me during these times for my security, and I trust my brother deeply.

BUCK: I mean, come on. Give me a break. The rise in white supremacy? I live in New York City. There’s no rise in white supremacy here. There’s no rise in hate crimes here. Whenever like HuffPo or one of those crap left-wing sites does some “hate crimes are rising” story, it’s always about how it’s a Republican’s fault, A, and then, B, when you look at the data, because it’s about they start including a comment made somewhere by someone that was never verified in the data on hate crime. But, It feels like he’s playing the left-wing applicants game here to excuse nepotism — which I gotta say, some people on the right, the nepotism thing we let it slide a little bit. We shouldn’t. But nepotism is an issue.

CLAY: Well, remember when the #StopAsianHate went viral and everybody was suddenly, like, “Man, Asian people are really victims of hate crimes a lot. We’ve gotta stop this!” When they thought they could blame it and connect it to white supremacy, that was the narrative, and then they started looking at the all the hate crimes.

BUCK: We all started looking at the videos.

CLAY: Yeah. Yeah. And it was all primarily Asian people were victims of hate crimes being perpetrated — if you want to call ’em hate crimes — by black people. And then the Democrats are like, “Oh, well, maybe this Asian hate crime thing is not such a big deal,” and, Buck, it totally disappeared. There was like a month where people were, like, “Hey, man, we really gotta stop this Asian hate,” and then some of the videos started going viral and you saw who the suspects in the Asian hate attacks were and it turned out they were black, and they couldn’t tie it to white supremacy — and all of a sudden, the media didn’t care about Asian hate anymore.

BUCK: There was an amazing moment in all the time when… I don’t remember if you remember this, Clay. This was years and years ago, maybe five or six years ago. I’m just guessing. I can’t even remember it’s been so far back now. When you get to my age, you start to forget things. There was a woman — a visually appealing lady — who had a camera guy follow her all over New York City, and the idea was this is the amount of catcalling —

CLAY: Catcalls, yeah.

BUCK: — and harassment and everything that you would suffer from if you were again, visually appealing, “good on camera,” as they would say in the business lady walking around in New York City. And initially it was, “Oh, my gosh. The patriarchy, the misogyny,” and then the left had a freak-out because basically every single male who said something in this video in New York City was a male from a “community of color.” So they were trying to take down the patriarchy, but they actually started advancing stereotypes or whatever. They know they started to have these problems.

CLAY: When identity politics collides, right? Again, I think the Asian one is so fascinating because the idea was, a white supremacy is so encompassing that even Asian people aren’t safe in this country, and they did that based on the shooting took place in Georgia. They were trying to tie it all together into white supremacy. And then this all of the viral Asian attacks ended up having black perpetrators, and the story just disappeared. Literally. When’s the last time you saw a story about Asian hate?

BUCK: I don’t know. It’s been many, many months. Many months indeed.

CLAY: Just vanished.

BUCK: So I think New York, folks, it’s in trouble, and it’s showing you that even in a place that is suffering because of bad Democrat ideas, very hard to get them to turn around the Marxist ship, very hard to get them to shift gears.

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Pelosi’s Got Nothing But Failure to Run On

10 Jan 2022

PELOSI: What the Republicans are doing across the country is really a (sputters) legislative continue… continuation of what they did on January 6th, which is to undermine our democracy, uh, to undermine the integrity of our elections, uh, to, uh (sputers) undermine the voting power, which is the essence of a democracy.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. I just wanted to hear that and have a little laugh. Nancy Pelosi is now deploying the tactic that you will see. They’ve been doing it for a while, but you’ll see all this year. They got nothing. Biden’s a joke, they didn’t defeat covid. In fact, covid is defeating Biden’s plans, as we see every day here, the mandates and the government overreach has come along with all of it. And Nancy Pelosi is saying that essentially when Republicans don’t go along and do what Democrats want, it’s all the insurrection! It’s all insurrection!

This is not going to work very well, but it is pathetic, and it is also a sign of what a weak Biden regime this really is. No accomplishments to speak of. Nothing. I mean, Clay, you are a loquacious and well-equipped fellow to make any number of arguments. If I said give me the best thing Biden has accomplished this the year or this administration with Democrat control of Congress, I don’t really have any. Do you have something?

CLAY: It’s honestly hard to come up with anything. If I were trying to spin for him at this point, I would… (laughing) I have one. I feel like we had this conversation like six months ago and I was able to come up with something, but I don’t even have one. I feel like six months ago you could at least argue based on the data, “Well, covid has gotten better; the vaccines have helped to tamp down the overall covid situation.” But I can’t even think of one. The only thing I can think of honestly is he’s maintained a lot of the policies of Trump against China.

BUCK: I thought you might go there. The smartest things that he has done are the continuation of decisions made by Trump.

CLAY: It’s the only thing could argue, and it seems like he’s going back to stay in Mexico, the policy that Trump had put in place. The border has been obviously a disaster. But all I could point to is he hasn’t been as weak on China as I was afraid he was going to be, and mostly he’s kept in place the Trump China policies so far. That’s the only thing I can say in a positive way.

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Untrue Covid Arguments Shattered Faith in SCOTUS

10 Jan 2022

WALENSKY: Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta. With regard to severe illness and death, they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.

BUCK: That was back in… What was that now? That was back in August, I believe, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: August 5th, Rochelle Walensky. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Vaccines can’t prevent transmission! So they’ve known that. Then what was the basis for the mandate, exactly, because they were also telling us — remember Biden? — it’s your patriotic duty. That is when he is awake enough to read off the prompter. And you say, “Hold on a second. Why is it a duty to protect others if it doesn’t actually protect others?”

And now are we really going to accept the pretense? There are two other arguments they’re trying now. This is what always happens. They’re wrong, and then all of a sudden, they change the basis for their wrongness, right? The Fauciites will say, “Okay, it’s really about making sure that you are protected. This is for your own good!” Well, hold on a second. There are a lot of people for whom the vaccine, especially if they have natural immunity, “their own good” ain’t good enough.”

If you’re 35 years old and just in any kind of shape, honestly, unless you’re severely ill, you may decide you don’t want to do it. So that rationale is breaks down. The other rationale, Clay, that they’re trotting out here is, “Oh, but the unvaccinated fill up the hospitals because event people from being able to get cardiac care.” Let’s just look at this rationally for a second. A year ago, there were basically no vaccines, okay?

No vaccines, and people were getting sick at unprecedented levels with a much more dangerous virus. We didn’t have hospitals unable to provide care. The overrunning-of-the-hospital thing has never happened. Hospitals have been stretched, they’ve had to expand, but they’ve had to do that for a long time for bad flu seasons, other things too. I just feel like their arguments now don’t add up and I’m not the only one. There’s a guy in the Wall Street Journal on the mandates who’s a Nobel Prize winner who’s saying, “Yeah, this is just all nonsense now.”

CLAY: Yeah, and he makes a really strong case. In fact, I’m gonna unpack this a little bit more because you and I were so disgusted — and I would say I was particularly disgusted — by the untruths that peppered the oral arguments surrounding the Biden vaccine mandate discussion in the Supreme Court, particularly when Justice Sonia Sotomayor said, “We have,” and I’m reading a directed quote from her, “over a hundred thousand children in serious condition, many on ventilators.”

I bet there’s not a hundred kids on ventilators in this country right now. There are only 3,500 kids that are hospitalized with covid right now in the country, period. And, Buck, as we know, a vast majority of those kids, based on data, are likely to be hospitalized with covid, meaning they’re in the hospital with something else and they have tested positive for covid. So all of this madness…

And then as we talked about, too, Justice Steven Breyer seemed to believe that if people would just get vaccinated, the 750,000 new cases that are happening every day would cease to exist. It’s a level of misapprehension and fundamental dishonesty if they know that what they’re saying is untrue. It’s so scary to me that the Supreme Court justices could be this poorly informed.

BUCK: As an institution, people lost faith in the intellectual level of some of the Supreme Court justices that are making these decisions after their covid arguments. That’s what really happened there, folks.

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: They’re not well informed enough to even be engaged in a debate, never mind to be engaged in what is effectively the making of law in this issue.

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BUCK: The biggest thing that’s happened in the last 24 hours — and it just really went on this morning, so right before Clay and I came on air with you — has to do with the federal OSHA vaccine mandate for companies with over a hundred employees. There’s a lot of moving pieces here, a lot of moving parts. Just the basics: There’s been a request for a stay, which would stop the enforcement. The Supreme Court heard today oral arguments.

As we speak — and Clay, correct me if I’m out of the timeline here at all — it has not made a determination about that. It will probably take a couple of days, it sounded like, to make a determination about the stay. And then we’ll find out about final merits in June. Clay, there’s a lot of things going on here: Constitutional issues, what works as a matter of public health, federalism, states’ rights, federal government, OSHA mandate, all this stuff.

The most stunning thing today was that some of the Supreme Court justices — and I’m just gonna say it — the libs who love the mandate — Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan. Particularly Sotomayor might as well have a vaccine necklace on like Governor Hochul of New York. She clearly is a true believer. They don’t know what the heck they’re talking about when it comes to covid. Give folks some of what — I’m not exaggerating at all. It’s stunning how wildly ignorant of the covid reality the libs on the court are right now.

CLAY: So let me give a little background, Buck, because I was disgusted. You can have whatever opinion you want on whether OSHA’s administrative abilities extend to mandating the covid vaccine. I disagree with that expansive of a reading of a federal agency. But that is a legal opinion that you can have. We agree argue about that as lawyers. We can argue about that as citizens. That is a valid perspective. But every opinion is founded in facts.

Justice Sotomayor in particular — although Breyer and Kagan were not very good either, but Justice Sotomayor — doesn’t understand the most basic elemental aspects of covid. Couple things that she got one billion percent wrong. She said that Omicron was as deadly as the Delta variant. Even if you watch MSNBC, Buck, even if you watch exclusively CNN, even if you only read the New York Times, that is widely untrue based on all available data right now.

In fact, Omicron is widely regarded — by virtual every expert from Dr. Fauci to Dr. Marty Makary, who we’re gonna talk to later today, they all agree that Omicron, fortunately, is less virulent than Delta. So she’s a hundred percent wrong on that. But this data point was staggering, and we’re gonna play the audio for you. Do we have it now?

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: Listen to this. Justice Sotomayor — “the wise Latina,” as she liked to call herself — says as a part of this question, that there are 100,000 kids severely ill with covid right now. Listen to this.

SOTOMAYOR: Omicron is as deadly and causes as much serious disease in the unvaccinated as Delta did. The numbers… Look at the hospitalization rates that are going on. We have more affected people in the country today than we had a year ago in January. We have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators. We have over a hundred thousand children — which we’ve never had before — in serious condition and many on ventilators.

CLAY: Okay, Buck. You know this and everybody out there listening to us right now, of all of the covid “fear porn,” as I call it, that the CIA me the craziest, trying to scare parents is I think the least defensible of all. Because it goes directly to kids going in school; it goes directly to our ability to get back to normalcy. Buck, I bet there are not a hundred kids right now that are actually in serious condition from covid at this point in time.

Covid exclusively, right, where they were otherwise healthy. I bet there aren’t a hundred kids nationwide in serious condition. Sotomayor just said there is a hundred thousand. By the way, there’s only 116,000 people right now nationwide hospitalized with covid. I say “with” because, Buck, half those people or more are in hospitals for other reasons and they’re just testing positive for covid.

BUCK: We heard these arguments, for those who listened to it this morning, and it became very clear that the establishment — the lib establishment, if you will, which Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer are certainly a part of and represent — and it’s just so obvious. You don’t even have to know their voices. I do at this point, and you do, Clay. But if you listen in, just based on the tone, depending whether someone is making the case for the mandate or against it.

You can tell from the tone of the judge who’s speaking pour what side they’re on right away. Justice Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer don’t hide their love for the big sweeping hand of government. Firing large numbers of people or forcing them to get a shot — and keep in mind, one of the more interesting components of this was the timing of all of it, right? Justice Breyer, again… He’s lucky that Sotomayor exists because he seems less idiotic by comparison, right?

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: So he seems like maybe he knows something. He said that every day of delay for the implementation of this brings 750,000 new cases. It’s as though that the libs that are making these decisions — and I’m sure the Biden administration goes along with all this too — don’t understand that the vaccine mandate as a means of stopping the spread is an enormous failure, an obvious failure of epic proportions, and they haven’t adjusted the rhetoric. They haven’t adjusted the thinking at all.

He seems to suggest — or he does suggest. He seems to think, Breyer, Supreme Court justice, that if only, Clay, we had this Biden OSHA mandate tomorrow and it was in force tomorrow, covid would go away, go to zero. These people are living in a delusion, and they’re not just random folks that we’re picking on. This is who is making these determinations! This is who’s deciding you have to mask up on a plane or you have to get a shot before you go into your workplace.

New York City, vaccine mandate in effect. I am in a vaccine mandated city for work right now. They have adjusted nothing based on what we learned about the vaccines working or not working. And so I think it was Alito, Clay — and you can correct me, ’cause we have to remember which one was speaking, listening in real time.

I think Alito was essentially saying that you guys have waited and you’re gonna wait until February before you even enforce it. So it’s so urgent that you have to blow out all precedent — and this is the first time ever and this “fierce urgency of now” — but you’re waiting a few months ago before you implement it? How does that work?

CLAY: Buck, there’s so many things that I want to say. I’m trying to think of how to organize it. One right here” To me, structurally, every justice has four brilliant Supreme Court clerks who are supposed to be preparing them for every case. This is a situation where, for instance, with Sotomayor, with Breyer, and with Kagan, I would love to know the behind-the-scenes preparation that these justices actually did. Buck, you and I work really hard to get ready for our show every day.

And no matter what industry you work in, there are a lot of people what who mail it in, who don’t prep, who don’t really know all the facts, who don’t come to their job and deliver the best possible version of their labor that they could. I am insulted that we only have nine Supreme Court justices, a an American, that Justice Sotomayor, Breyer, and Kagan could be this poorly informed about basic facts surrounding covid for a case of this monumental importance.

I want to know how much prep did they actually do; where did Justice Sotomayor get that 100,000 kids are in serious condition right now with covid fact? How did that get put into her brain such that she was comfortable sharing it in a courtroom like she was? How does that happen?

BUCK: And how could you trust the judgment? These are judges, right? The most powerful ones in the country! How can you trust the judgment of someone who is so ill acquainted with the most basic facts and, in fact, has such an exaggerated sense of what’s really going on in the country right now. All of this is premised upon the Biden regime convincing people that this OSHA mandate is going to have an enormously positive outcome and it’s gonna basically stop covid. We’re in the midst of… Keep in mind, they’re not gonna enforce it until I think February 10th is what they said today during the arguments. That’s when the actual vaccine or test opponent goes into effect. We’re gonna be on the down slope of covid already by then, by March or April.

CLAY: Hopefully.

BUCK: Probably. Hopefully.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: By March or April, we’ll be in a place where, at least historically — look at the seasonality of it — it’ll be in substantial reduction. So we have people today that are making determinations about this shot, Clay, who don’t understand the very basics of what’s happening with covid in America right now. Beyond that, it’s not about getting the shot for March. You’re gonna have to get the shot again next fall, and again three months after that, which they didn’t even deal with today. But this is effectively a forever regime, and that’s why the constitutional issues are so on important.

CLAY: There’s no doubt.

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CLAY: We’re talking about the disgraceful, I thought, questioning factual inaccuracies. We got more. We talked about the fact that Justice Breyer said every day we delay means 750,000 more cases of covid, as if, if you had everybody vaccinated, there would be no covid? Again, just to reiterate, 95% of people 65 and up have had at least one shot; 86% of all people 18 and up. The reason why covid cases are skyrocketing is because the vaccine doesn’t, at least with Omicron — it’s even worse, but it hasn’t at all for every variant. It doesn’t keep you from getting or spreading the virus. Yet here is Justice Breyer spreading more inaccuracies himself about covid. Listen.

BREYER: The numbers I read is when they issued this order there were approximately 70-something thousand new cases every day. And yesterday, they were close to 750,000. So if we delay it a day, if it were to have effect, then 750,000 more people will have covid who otherwise, if we didn’t delay it, wouldn’t have. I mean, I don’t doubt the power of the court to issue a stay. I’m just saying, ‘What are the consequences of that?” And if I’m wrong, you better tell me I’m wrong because I thought that it really did make a difference.

BUCK: He’s wrong.

CLAY: Oh, my gosh.

BUCK: Clay and I are looking each other as this audio is being played. I remember it was actually one of those moments where you’re listening to something and you say, “That can’t be… He didn’t just…” I had to go back and check and see and check the transcript. Clay, is Justice Breyer, is he just not very smart? I know she’s Supreme Court. We’re supposed to think he is. Does he really believe that they could shut down all cases in a day with a vaccine mandate on businesses over a hundred? Does he not read the newspaper? Does he not have internet access? How is it possible?

CLAY: First of all, yes.

BUCK: Yes. (laughing)

CLAY: I think it’s possible that he’s just totally clueless. I’ve got a little story that I’m gonna share with you from law school that I think would bring this home. But does he not realize…? For everybody out there, you don’t get the vaccine and immediately the vaccine works. You have a get a couple of shots. We’re talking about a multiweek process.

The way that Justice Breyer is thinking about this is like you’re turning a faucet on or you’re turning a faucet off. If his conception of vaccination worked, then the vaccine would immediately prevent all infection, which is just a hundred percent not true. Here’s the story for you, Buck. I don’t think identify told this story on this show before, but when I was in law school, my law school professor, Rebecca Brown, great con-law professor.

She had been a former Supreme Court clerk. And for people out there who don’t understand, the Supreme Court clerkship is the absolute pinnacle of the law school achievement. There are only 36 every year. They’re incredibly difficult to get. We had one person get a Supreme Court clerkship out of my class at Vanderbilt, and it is for the greatest and most esteemed of the law students that you would get this opportunity.

So she’s very well-reasoned. She says they were debating cases one night late at the Supreme Court. I believe she worked with Justice Souter. They ordered pizza. The Supreme Court justices were not aware that you could order pizza and have it delivered to your homes. These are all a bunch of old people. As they were eating, Justice Souter walked in, looked at the pizza and said, “What is that on top of the pizza? Is that a tomato?”

One of the clerks said, “No, those are pepperonis. That’s a really popular things to put on top of a pizza, Judge.” She used that as an illustration of how out of touch and cerebral and removed justices can be from the real world when it comes to actually comprehending things like abortion or, evidently, vaccinations.

BUCK: The libs on the court have an almost childlike understanding of the realities of covid right now. It was stunning to hear it today. It was really, really unsettling.

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