Buck & Watters: Biden Defends Ukraine’s Border, Not Ours

29 Jan 2022

Earlier in the week, Fox News reported Buck’s unique taken on Biden’s border hypocrisy: Demanding respect for foreign sovereignty, but throwing open the gates wide to drugs, covid, and millions of unvetted foreign nationals from who knows where. Buck joined Jesse Watters on Primetime to apply some much-needed sanity to the situation.

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Dr. Makary on the High Cost of Ignoring Natural Immunity

28 Jan 2022

BUCK: We gotta bring the good doctor to you, my friends, Dr. Marty Makary. He is now an adviser to Glenn Youngkin, the governor of, Virginia, on covid matters. He’s from Johns Hopkins University Medical Center and is the author of a fantastic op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, which is up, linked to ClayAndBuck.com right now on this thing called natural immunity that I think we should all have a little conversation about with a true expert who’s honest. Dr. Makary, great to have you back.

DR. MAKARY: Great to be with you guys.

BUCK: I just want to let you… You know, we want to give you the ball and let you run with it here, Doc. You’re the expert. The reality that we can all see is natural immunity is undermined through Fauciite proclamation and the Biden regime pretends like it basically doesn’t exist. Tell us what we found out about it and how it factors in — natural immunity factors in — to what’s going on now with covid.

DR. MAKARY: Well, the data has finally caught up with these bad hypotheses and policies ignoring natural immunity. We’ve got a giant study that came out from New York and California showing that natural immunity was three times better in preventing hospitalization than vaccines and five times better in preventing you from getting the infection.

Our Johns Hopkins team has a big study this week again showing durability of natural immunity. And I can tell you from the inside circles two other big studies are coming out in the next few weeks. Natural immunity is now a hundred percent scientifically sound, durable, effective, and better than vaccines.

Public health officials have been afraid to say so you see ’cause they don’t want people to just get the infection. I get that. But let’s be honest, because we’ve ruined careers — and when we fired those with natural immunity ’cause they didn’t have vaccines, we ended up firing those least likely to spread the infection at the workplace.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, thanks for coming on with us and for the work you’re doing in Virginia as well as the editorials you’ve been writing at the Wall Street Journal, which are phenomenal. I just put up your most recent editorial. I’d encourage people to go read it, tag you in it as well. Is a big part of this now — and I love it ’cause you’re saying, “Hey, these people need to be rehired who had natural immunity that lost their jobs.”

Will we see public health authorities adjust their opinions now even though this data has been out there for a long time, or do you think…? I’m concerned about, what I’m seeing is people are doubling and tripling down on the vaccine and still not acknowledging what the data tells us about natural immunity. Buck has had covid twice, I’ve had covid twice.

I feel like I’m in very good shape based on all the data. Yet if I were to go to New York City, I can’t go to a restaurant without showing a vaccine card. I don’t have the vaccine so I can’t get in. Same thing could happen in Los Angeles. How in the world are these new results that are so widely distributed going to change the public policy, and do you think it actually will?

DR. MAKARY: Well, unfortunately, I don’t see the humility required of public health officials to accept this. They have dug in for two years arguing that it’s an unknown how long natural immunity lasts or if it’s better. Well, now we have all of the data. They did not do the research themselves. Other researchers like my own group had to do it, and now it’s a settled science.

If they just showed some humility and said, like most doctors do in their day-to-day practice, “Hey, there’s new data coming out. I had the wrong hypothesis. We need to change the strategy,” I think people are hungry for honesty right now. Look at all these companies hiring back workers.

Boeing, Amazon, Delta Airlines, Amtrak, the State of Connecticut state workers. We’ve got hospitals that fired nurses for having better immunity — that is natural immunity — and then they were so short of staff like MultiCare , they called in covid positive nurses to say, “Come and work, even though you’re sick with covid. We’re that strapped for nurses.”

BUCK: Doc… We’re speaking to Dr. Marty Makary. He’s the author of The Price We Pay, and it did hit the New York Times best-seller list. So let’s get more copies of it out there, folks: The Price We Pay from Dr. Marty Makary. We need the truth to get out there, and that means supporting people who are telling you it. Doc, kind of related double question here.

One is you deal with the “Oh, but get the vaccine even if you have natural immunity,” ’cause then Fauci always poses this as it’s like super immunity. Can you look at the reality of whether that’s true or not. I wanted you to address that talking point, and then beyond that I just want to know, I remember when I was told early on with the vaccines that you want to wait while because your body already has antibodies.

So remember the CDC had this wait 90 days or something like that guidance? I might be told soon in New York City that I’m supposed to get a booster. I just had covid about 10 days ago. How am I supposed to think that…? What happened to the old, “Wait a while before you get your shot because you already had antibodies”? So I got a twofer for you.

DR. MAKARY: Well, Buck there’s absolutely zero scientific data to support a booster in somebody who had the infection and has natural immunity. Zero. And most of the booster policies, as you know, are not driven by data. The only part of that recommendation is older and high-risk people. Young people don’t get boosters in other countries.

Sweden just said they’re not even gonna give young, healthy people the primary vaccine series, let alone a booster. We had the FDA bypass their experts to push the booster authorization — and when they say, “Oh, you know what? You’re too stupid to understand the details. Just go ahead and get the vaccine, even though you have natural immunity”?

The data are very clear now from the study last week: The risk of somebody who has natural immunity getting hospitalized is three per 10,000. That’s identical to the risk of somebody with hybrid immunity — that is vaccine and natural immunity — so getting the additional vaccine dose did nothing to change the numbers on hospitalization. That’s the honest data.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, we get a lot of questions from parents out there. There now is a push to get children younger than 5 vaccinated. When you hear those pushes, when you hear those arguments from public health authorities, what do you say to parents out there that are listening to us right now about the danger to their children and about whether it makes sense for them to get the covid shot, the covid vaccine?

DR. MAKARY: Well, first of all, Omicron is gonna burn through the population so fast that we even have Dr. Fauci acknowledging that everybody will get it. So if Omicron is nature’s vaccine for those who have not had access or been eligible for a vaccine, what are we doing immunizing those already immune? Now, in general with kids, I’d say, “Look, if the kid is healthy, then you can get the vaccine. But just remember that no healthy child has ever died of covid, that we know of, documented, that’s out there in the literature. If the kid has a risk factor and has not had natural immunity, then it may make sense.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, what is it gonna take, you think, for more people from within the medical community to come out and speak… See, what’s fascinating is we’re at that point now where I don’t hear anyone saying, “Oh, the numbers that Makary is pointing out on natural immunity are wrong or this is a fraud or this isn’t true.” We’re at this level now where the facts are the facts, Fauci has been wrong about almost everything.

People who listen to this show know that’s how I feel but that’s how the actual data shows. When are we gonna have more people come out and speak the truth about this? Because it’s not over. I mean, they’re still doing crazy stuff in the schools’ Fauci’s talking about a three-dose vaccine regimen for kids. It’s impossible… I just know from reality it’s impossible to know the long-term effectual of a three-dose regimen for children when they haven’t even had a three-dose regimen that they could study in kids for, what, more than a couple of months? The whole thing just seems crazy.

DR. MAKARY: Yeah, it’s disappointing. I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of doctors that are saying what I’m saying. A lot of them. But they don’t have the platform of Meet the Press and State of the Union — and every program with an FCC license that Dr. Fauci goes on all the time — and they’re saying, “Look, the groupthink got a lot of stuff wrong.”

They got the surface transmission wrong. Blocking loved ones from saying good-bye to their dying family member. That was a human rights violation. All the doctors in hospitals were complicit in that. They got natural immunity wrong from our leadership. They got boosters in young people wrong. The WHO and European CDC is giving totally different guidance, and we don’t hear about that stuff.

In Europe — many places in Europe — you can’t even get the Moderna vaccine under age 30. They restrict it because of myocarditis in young people. So I think a lot of doctors on the ground are on board with the data and what I’m talking about. But from our leadership, we have a small group of doctors making all the decisions.

My biggest concern moving forward is the death data is not accurate, and you’re gonna continue to see these inaccurate numbers that are not deciphering “for covid” or “with covid,” and it’s gonna make it look like there’s a higher death toll than there is in reality, and people are just gonna point to that if they want restrictions in place forever.

CLAY: How inaccurate do you think the data is, Dr. Makary, ’cause you look at some of these numbers coming out, the difference — finally people are discussing it even some left-wing, I would say, media, the difference — between being hospitalized with covid and being hospitalized because of covid is around 50-50, which would suggest that about half of the people that are dying that have been attributed directly to covid are actually dying of other things. What data are you seeing in terms of percentages there?

DR. MAKARY: (chuckles) You’re right. The media just runs with this. I believe that Sonia Sotomayor really did believe that 100,000 kids were in hospital, many on ventilators. She believed that because she’s listening to NPR, whatever else she’s listening to. Look, I talk to doctors all the time, and we think somewhere between 50 and 65% of cases attributed as being “from covid” are not really from; they’re just incidental.

The thing is, that number is massively growing because Omicron is more and more likely to be an incidental finding — and one study found out there was only one death out of 52,000 Omicron cases. That’s the Kaiser, Southern California study. That does not add up with the death numbers we’re seeing. The two just cannot be reconciled, so we have a data problem right now.

CLAY: Dr. Marty Makary, incredible work. Encourage you guys to go follow him. I just tweeted out his Twitter handle. Go grab it, follow it, imagine what the world would look like — certainly what the world would look like in the United States — if we had had him in charge instead of Dr. Fauci. I appreciate all the work you’re doing in Virginia. Thanks for making the time with us.

DR. MAKARY: Great to be with you, guys. Thank you.

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Defund the Police Did This! America Mourns Murdered Cops

28 Jan 2022

BUCK: We’ve been discussing with you now for many months the huge rise in violence in this country. Specifically, right now we know there’s a rise in violence and murder of police officers. Here in New York City — just blocks from where I’m currently sitting doing this show — you have a massive funeral procession underway at St. Patrick’s Cathedral for fallen NYPD officer Jason Rivera, and he was killed.

You have another police officer along with him who was killed in the same incident. He will also be given the hero’s funeral that he certainly deserves. But I was seeing here the headline that seven cops have been shot in the U.S. in the last 48 hours? You’ve had cops shot in D.C., cops in Milwaukee, cops in New York. I can’t even keep up with all these instances of violence against law enforcement, and this is where we have to be very clear about something.

Let me just tell you, for our Houston listeners, I was shocked to see this. Houston right now has had more murders — to give you a sense of where violent crime is — than Los Angeles, Chicago, or New York. All larger cities. So Houston is going through a violent crime wave too. But on the police-violence issue specifically, Clay, they’re trying to make this about something other than what I think is really the primary issue. The fixation on guns is what New York City’s new mayor Eric Adams wants to talk about, and it’s not about guns. It’s about a lot more. We’ll talk about it.

ADAMS: I am disappointed because it’s talking about this on the campaign trail. I saw what was happening in Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta. Our fixation with guns in our country is destroying our children. And when you look at it, I say this over and over again, “We have a sea of violence in our city and country, and there are many rivers that are feeding that sea. We must dam each one.”

BUCK: The problem, Clay — as you and I know — is undermining of cops and the lawlessness the Democrat Party has adopted for ideological reasons.

CLAY: No doubt, Buck. And, by the way, Houston in particular. Last night I saw this. You’re talking about the war on police. Three Houston police officers were shot last night, in addition to all of the other cities that are dealing with violence against police officers. This is part and parcel of the world that we have created when police became demonized, when the mainstream media created the idea that police were the enemy. This didn’t get hardly my attention, Buck.

But in 2021 we set, as a country, an awful marker, a 20-year high for murdered police officers, the highest number since 9/11, when many New York Police Department members lost their lives trying to save people in that terror attack. A 20-year high. How many of you out there listening to us right now knew that? How many news media organizations that have tried to trump up division between police and the people that they try and protect — how many of them — actually took the time, Buck, to even remotely acknowledge it?

I barely even saw a headline that we had set a 20-year high for murdered police officers in this country, and when you see what’s happening just right outside your studio on 5th Avenue with all of these police showing up in force to support, unfortunately, the families that have lost their loved ones, this is the direct result of defund the police. Every politician, every media figure, every individual out there that argued to defund the police has caused thousands of additional deaths both for civilians but also for police officers. And it has to stop, and it has to stop right now. I mean, it really does.

BUCK: This is now an issue of life and death, as you’re saying, Clay. And that’s why it’s important to identify what the real problem is here. The problem is not guns, okay?

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: Meaning the possession of firearms legally by individuals is not the issue. If it was, there’d be drive-bys in Burlington, Vermont, all the time, okay? There are states with really high levels of gun ownership and relatively unrestrictive gun laws. Wyoming. Idaho. Not a lot of shots getting shot in Idaho right now. I understand people say those aren’t really big cities, but the point is it’s not just the presence of guns in a community.

And, if anything, what we know is that concealed carry — based on the actual data — makes people safer because criminals are less likely to think that they’re able to prey on a defenseless population. But even beyond just the gun issue, which the Democrats — ’cause that’s what their base wants to hear. We saw a massive campaign by the Democrat Party to undermine law enforcement and with it the rule of law, to pander to the left-wing base, to drive particular anti-police sentiment in order to push voter turnout among minority communities, among leftist activists.

That’s what they did in 2020, and just like the acceleration of covid fear porn — just like the way they’ve abused that — they can’t really turn it off, and we’re all still dealing with the long-term consequences of this. It was politically expedient when there was that moral panic after the George Floyd killing in Minnesota for Democrats and corporate America and everyone to do the “We’re now having our final moment where we’re grappling with racism and police.”

That’s not what happened. What happened was a lot of anti-cop marches where they called police pigs and racist murderers, and there was a lot of rioting and excuse-making made for this. I’m sorry, but we all also see what the Democrat Party now does. It’s almost hard to believe when you see it and hear it, Clay. But people will go in, and they’ll steal a whole lot of stuff or they’ll commit an armed robbery.

Or they’ll, you know, throw a rock at a cop’s face or whatever. And instead of saying, “This is a person who needs to be punished and who is a threat to society,” in many cases, they say, “We don’t want to make things too hard on them. We don’t want to make it hard for them getting a job later.” I think getting a job later for a lot of these individuals is not really the concern we need to have.

CLAY: Also, I think there’s a lot of parental failure — and let me explain what I mean by that. I tell my boys who are young and probably will do dumb things as they become teenagers, as all teenage boys do, if a police officers asks you to do something, do it immediately. Imagine how much difference we would see if instead of attacking police officers, if people said, “Hey, police officers are not going to be perfect.” This is what I tell my boys.

I say, “I’m a lawyer. If somebody tries to get you to do something that you are not legally required to do — a police officer, person in position of authority — we can raise that as an issue later.” But if you look at every single violent interaction, Buck, between police — and I know we got a ton of police that are listening to us right now all over the country, and thank you for what you guys are doing.

We may need to open up phone lines and allow you guys at some point to vent here on Friday over the way that you’re being treated and how it compares to the last 20 and 30 years. Because when I talk to police officers, Buck, they say they’ve never seen anything like this, the disrespect that they get out there in the streets. But think about this. If every single person just complied with the initial request of a police officer, there would be almost zero violent interactions that accelerate, right?

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: Just listen to what police say and do it, and it takes all of that ability to accelerate — almost immediately — and it disappears.

BUCK: On the other end of this — you’re talking about how we could avoid violent — almost all violent incidents with police are where there’s escalation. But what we’re seeing, we’re talking about people that are killing cops. We’re talking about here in New York, NYPD, two cops shot. Domestic disturbance. They just walked in, and a career criminal — long rap sheet, multiple felonies — just opened up and started shooting on these two officers out of nowhere.

Just… By the way, it doesn’t matter how much training you have or how situational awareness. If you walk in a situation — every cop knows — like that and someone gets the drop on you, they ambush you in what isn’t even a violent situation. They weren’t trying to arrest this guy at the time. They just showed up to see what was going on and he comes out, guns blasting.

CLAY: His mom called police to have them help her, right? That’s why they were there. They were called in for a domestic dispute between a son and a mom. They went there to try to protect that woman and got murdered, that mom.

BUCK: Here’s what happened because of the approach — and it is a widespread. This is an ideology thing. That’s why we’re not just talking about the numbers and, “Oh, this is a dangerous world and things happen.” It’s gotten a lot more dangerous because it became fashionable among the wokesters and among the left-wing apparatus of power and control in the media and the Democrat Party to undermine cops, to go with this complete lie that there’s a systemic murdering of unarmed black men by police officers that goes unpunished.

“It happens all the time! It’s a national crisis right away.” That’s just not true. It’s actually very rare. You’ve got Officer Chauvin — former Officer Chauvin — obviously spending decades in prison, but they created this very toxic narrative. At the same time, you had Soros back progressive prosecutors in major cities all across the country saying, “I don’t want to punish people that break the law. Even if they’re preying on their fellow Americans, even if they’re preying on their fellow human beings, I don’t want to punish them too harshly.”

You have undermining and defunding of police. You have “we’re not gonna enforce the law” mentality from the libs and an attitude sometimes of “this is social justice” means reappropriation through people stealing in huge numbers from stores and places all across the country, lawlessness, utter lawlessness. This is all about the Democrat mentality, it is all about they’re soft-on-crime obsession, and it’s hurting people. It is hurting people right now day after day. People are losing their lives over it.

CLAY: BLM and its resulting protests have led to thousands of people being dead today that would otherwise be alive because when you demonize police and kept them from doing their job, you created a recipe, unfortunately, for lawlessness, which is transferred all over the country and has led directly to thousands of deaths. And, Buck, this is another place where the way we cover public policy as a country fails. When you have young, innocent black kids being shot in drive-by by other people who are black — which is the overwhelming majority of people who are being killed in cities today — it gets almost zero coverage, right?

You hear all of these moms coming out and saying, “Why is this not a story? Why is there no justice for my children?” It’s because it’s an inconvenient story to cover that doesn’t allow the media to try and demonize police and also racism and lawlessness when the reality is the danger that is being borne is by all inner-city residents.

BUCK: I see this, I read about it, and I even occasionally will talk to leftists, Clay, to understand their mentality. Here’s the way the modern Democrat views a situation where let’s say there’s a drive-by shooting in Chicago and a young black man is killed. Let’s just look at that situation. You and I see that, and our audience sees that, and they say, first of all, of course, horrible tragedy. But if we’re talking about on a policy level what needs to be done, we look at is this a career criminal who is shooting this individual?

Why wasn’t he locked up longer? Do we have the police resources to try to get someone like that off the street? Were we able to get up a rapid arrest? Is the district attorney going to prosecute thoroughly? That’s how we think of it. You know how left-wing activists think about it? “This is a failure of insufficient investment in the community. We need more money for community activists, and we need more police anti-racism training,” and you say — and, by the way, I’m being completely serious.

CLAY: Yes. No, you’re right.

BUCK: That is what they will say, and we have people being shot, and they’re saying, “You know, we need funding for diversity and inclusion training in the city workforce, and we need cops to stop being racist.” The cops aren’t the one shooting people!

CLAY: Also, they’ll say, “This is a gun issue, not a people issue.”

BUCK: Correct. Critical point. “Gun issue, not a people issue,” which Chicago is effectively a gun-free zone for legal gun ownership, not for illegal gun ownership. Obviously. You can tell look we’re fired up about this.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: We started off the show talking about the scene in New York as there is a mass gathering of police officers to support the family that lost loved ones in a recent violent attack upon officers trying to protect a mom who had called for support — and this is gonna be tough for you guys to listen to, but I wanted to play it because I was listening to this earlier today.

I know some of you may have heard this. One of the police officers’ widows. Listen to her voice here talking about the fact that they are not safe in New York because of the way that the district attorney and other leaders are forcing police to not be able to do their job. Just listen to this. This is, again, a wrenching and difficult 35 seconds here of her eulogy for her husband, who has been murdered.

LUZURIAGA: The system continues to fail us. (chokes up) We are not safe anymore. (chokes up) Not even the members of the service. I know you are tired of these laws, especially the ones from the new DA. (deep breath) I hope he’s watching you speak through me right now.

CROWD: (sustained applause)

BUCK: Clay, it’s really… It’s heartfelt. It’s also so heartbreaking just to hear it.

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Glenn Beck Drops in from His Dallas Studio

28 Jan 2022

CLAY: This is phenomenal… I had not been to The Blaze studios here in Dallas before, and it is absolutely fantastic what they have built out here and what Glenn has been able to create. There’s so many cool things. Buck, you haven’t been down to Dallas in like four years. But I walked in, and Glenn’s got it looks like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man from the Ghostbusters. You got the ruby red slippers it looks like from Wizard of Oz. I mean, I was just blown away looking around at this stuff.

BUCK: Do you still have the polar bear, Glenn?

BECK: Still have the polar bear, yeah, bought it ’cause I thought it would piss Al Gore off. It’s still in my office.

CLAY: What’s your favorite thing that you have in terms of memorabilia? If you could say, “I could only keep one or two things,” what would those things be?

BECK: Okay. The scope of it is the largest collection of American documents outside of the Library of Congress and the National Archives.

CLAY: I mean, that’s amazing.

BECK: Yeah, it’s an incredible thing. So, I say this as… I mean, if there really was a fire, I don’t know what I would grab, but I always joke because it is my favorite, my wife made me take it to the museum. She’s like, “Get this out of the house.” It is a rat from the 1940s from World War II, a real rat with a bomb up its butt. And the story is fantastic. The French come in, they’re — I mean, sorry, the Germans come in, they take over France.

Churchill says we gotta bomb the factories ’cause we cannot have them turning out tanks and planes and everything else. And he said, “We’ll kill too many people.” So, he goes to this guy who did special operations for him, really genius who put a team together, and he said, “What do we do?” He said, “I have an idea. Let me go talk to my team.” So he said, “Let’s take a rat, let’s get a bunch of rats, we’ll put explosives in it, up its butt and then we’ll fly them out to the resistance.

“And we’ll have the resistance put ’em in their pockets and when they go into the factory they can go down where they’re shoveling coal into the engines and just drop a few rats, and they’ll be shoveled in and blow it up.” K? It’s a cool story. Problem is, the box of a hundred rats, only a hundred made, the box, the winds shifts, and it goes right into the Nazi camp.

CLAY: Oh, wow.

BECK: So, they open up this box, and they’re like, “What the…? What are they?” It actually worked not for the factories but it actually took… I don’t remember how many of the Nazis — a lot of them — going and checking every dead rat around every important building, K, because they thought —

CLAY: They didn’t know how many there might actually be that had gotten through.

BECK: Right. So they were checking all these dead rats when there wasn’t any. But here’s the best part of the story. This is the only one known to be in existence, and the guy Churchill went to was Ian Fleming.

CLAY: Oh, wow. James Bond.

BECK: And Ian Fleming, the guy who put the bomb in the butt is the guy he modeled Q after.

CLAY: So how did you buy that? That’s unbelievable.

BUCK: I have a Glenn memorabilia story that Glenn will fill in the actual details of but I just… Glenn, I don’t know if you have any recollection of this at all. This was early on when Glenn gave me my start in media, and I always tell people, The Blaze then, it was just the coolest thing in the world going right then.

BECK: It was great. So fun.

BUCK: This is 2011, Glenn. So, wow, 11 years ago now. I remember my mom was a big Glenn Beck show fan. Early on, I got to bring my mom by. We had this pretty cool studio in New York, nothing compared… You’re in Willie Wonka’s chocolate factory down there in Dallas.

CLAY: Yeah. This is pretty cool.

BUCK: You’re swimming around in the rivers of chocolate. It’s a whole other thing. But we had a pretty cool studio in New York and my mom came in she’s like, “Can I meet Glenn?” Glenn is always super nice to everybody but particularly moms of employees.

CLAY: That’s good.

BUCK: So, my mom comes in. Glenn, do you remember this?

BECK: I don’t.

BUCK: You just happened to — and I still make jokes on the radio and to friends to this day. You just happen to have the original arrest warrant from the Salem witch trials of the early seventeenth century, and you pulled this out and showed this to my mom. But you pulled it out like you were showing her a photo of a wedding you were at last weekend.

BECK: It is so funny.

CLAY: Has there ever been an auction where you wanted something but didn’t get it?

BECK: Tried to buy Mussolini’s sword that was given to him by the Blackshirts that he said was the reason he became a fascist, and it was engraved on the hilt. I can’t remember, but it said something like, “Government is not government unless it’s government of force,” something like that. And I don’t remember what we were willing to bid up, but —

BUCK: Can I just ask. I’m sorry. I don’t want to… Glenn, do you still have the original Salem witch trial arrest warrant? Is that…?

BECK: Oh, yeah, yeah. We got lots. (laughs) We have lots more now.

BUCK: That’s amazing.

BECK: But, yeah, that was from… It was a warrant for the arrest — I love this — of Anna Trasco (ph), and she was declared a witch because she was unmarried and pregnant and only witches can do that.

CLAY: Yeah, that’s amazing.

BECK: Ha!

BUCK: You can imagine, though, this was not even part of like a tour that was set up, Clay. I’m like, “Hey, mom, here’s my boss.” He’s like, “Here’s this incredibly rare artifact of the Salem Witch Trials from about 400 years ago,” and I was like, “Yeah, this is what happens when you’re with Glenn at The Blaze.”

CLAY: What do you want to do with all of this that you put together, at some point?

BECK: So we’re building… We stopped. We started raising the money through private — very, very wealthy people, and we decided to just do classes right now ’cause it’s so important to teach this stuff. But we eventually want to build a museum in a very Willie Wonka sort of way and a learning center, because you could come… We teach people now. We have classes right across the brickyard here, and we teach people from the original sources.

I mean, our classes on the first 200 years of America are phenomenal, ’cause we can… I mean, we can show you where history has it right and wrong. We’re now the largest collection of Pilgrim and Jamestown artifacts and papers, and they say, “You know, 1619, that’s when slaves came.” No it isn’t, 1500. We have the documents. We have people arguing about slavery in 1500, you know, like 1560, something like that, in Florida. Excuse me! It was the Spaniards. They brought slaves in before all the white people got there.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Remarkable.

CLAY: This is amazing.

BUCK: Remarkable. Glenn, for the folks out there… I mean, you’re doing all these cool projects and continuing to expand out. What is your…? You know, last time we had you on we talked about The Great Reset, which is important, and you got a new book out on that now. But I’m kind of optimistic about this year. I won’t even say I’m optimistic about the future of America, although I’d like to think I am. But I’m optimistic that this year there’s gonna be a lot of correction of what has been wrong. How do you feel about this year we’re going into?

BECK: I feel that people are going to wake up, but I feel pain, bad pain is coming. I mean, I don’t know if you guys saw the release that came out this week from a FOIA request. But in 2008 through 2010, I kept asking the question, “No, really. How much are we bailing these banks out, and is any money going to foreign banks?” Well, we found out they put a moratorium on the FOIA request. Usually, the Fed gets two years before they have to tell you what I’ve done, okay?

This time, a group of economists FOIA’d it 2012 and said, “Great, give us the information.” The Fed took it all the way to the Supreme Court, and they got an extra 10 years. So it just was FOIA’d again and now has been released. They didn’t… They told us, the American people, that they gave the banks $5 trillion. We know that.

No, no. We now have the documentation from the Fed. They bailed banks out to $30 trillion — and it includes the bank of Japan, Germany, the British Bank, all over the world. You add that on top of what we won’t know for at least a couple of years, if ever, what they’ve been doing lately. They said in April right at the beginning of the pandemic they were lending these banks a trillion dollars a week. I mean, people are asking, “Oh, what’s causing inflation?” “We don’t know. It’s only transitory.” No, no, no. You can’t just do the 30 trillion globally without having real impact. The pain is going to become apparent soon to a lot of people, and it will wake them up. That will be good.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: We are in The Blaze studios with Glenn Beck, a guy that a lot of you listen to as well. Appreciate him allowing me to use this show. He also got Buck his start in the business, we were just talking about during the commercial break. And, Buck, you are headed down to Miami. It is so cold in Miami… Glenn, did you see this?

BECK: No.

CLAY: Their iguanas falling out of the trees. You know, iguanas freeze and it’s gonna be in the thirties in Miami and the iguanas are fine. They freeze, and then when the sun comes back up it wakes them up. But if they’re in a tree, they just fall.

BECK: That’s crazy.

CLAY: It’s iguana popsicles. You could get hit by a falling iguana that has frozen itself.

BUCK: Glenn, that’s not the way any of us want to go, you know what I mean?

BECK: No. No.

CLAY: (laughing)

BECK: I lived in Phoenix for a while, and I had all these — I can’t remember — royal palms I think they were, and they hadn’t been trimmed for a long time. And I’m out in the backyard, and a native is there and they’re like, “Hey, you might want to walk away from the palm tree,” and I’m like, “Why?” They’re like, “‘Cause scorpions like to live there and they fall down on you.”

CLAY: Oh, my God.

BECK: I’m like, “Okay.” (laughing) I don’t think I went in the backyard after that.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I got all excited. I was in Florida recently, and I saw a manatee float by me.

BECK: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: I think they’re so cool, and I told all my friends who live in Florida. They act like a New Yorker who sees a squirrel. “Yeah, manatee. Whatever.” This is the world we live in, Clay. It’s all about what you’re used to.

CLAY: Maybe this will kill some of those massive pythons that have escaped and, you know, have filled up the Everglades. Maybe it’s getting cold enough which is rare. I think it’s gonna be a 10-year cold spell. They haven’t been this cold in a decade. Maybe it actually freezes some of the pythons too.

BECK: Yeah. It’s global warming.

BUCK: I’m actually curious. Glenn, you know, ’cause I’ve had so many friends — you know, my two brothers have moved to Florida. And I have so many friends that have left New York, where I still am, for Florida. When people are asking you and let’s say they have the right politics, so you actually want them maybe to be in your state. The Florida versus Texas paradigm to you, how do you think Texas has adobe the last few years, ’cause when you moved to Texas was kind of a variation for someone in the New York City media to set up a whole operation outside of Dallas. Have you felt like Texas has done pretty well through this?

BECK: What did you call it? ‘Cause I think it was called crazy.

CLAY: Visionary.

BECK: Visionary, yeah. (laughing)

CLAY: There’s visionary and crazy. Kind of like the same thing.

BECK: Yeah. We’re thrilled with Texas. I wish… You know, I think Greg Abbott has done an okay job. I don’t like —

BUCK: I gave him a B. Yeah.

BECK: Yeah, I give him a B. You know, I’d rather have DeSantis. And, you know, they have term limits in Florida. So as soon as he’s done, termed out, you know, move to Texas.

CLAY: Yeah. That would be fascinating.

BECK: But Texas is just booming, just booming. One of the reasons why we even considered moving to Texas was in 2008 to 2010, Texas was responsible for 50% of the job creation, and it’s still like that. It’s just… I can’t believe when I moved here 10 years ago, you know, you always hear these old people, “That used to be a farm. We used to get our eggs underneath the chickens.” It’s like that here. In 10 years, I’m driving by places, I’m like, when did that building happen? When did that whole neighborhood happen?

CLAY: Do you like what you’re seeing? ‘Cause Buck and I talk about this. Covid has made blue bluer and redder. Based on what you’re seeing do you like the people who are relocating to Texas from other states?

BECK: So there’s been a study on that, ’cause I’ve been really concerned about Texas, and they actually — the study shows that the people who are moving here are more red than the people who are born-and-bred Texans.

CLAY: Yeah. Yes.

BECK: I lived here in the early eighties. It’s not the same. Texans were very different in the eighties, and I lived here in the nineties as well.

CLAY: Did you like it more in the eighties?

BECK: I liked it more. I liked it more. I still love it, people are great, but they just had a swagger to ’em, you know, that wasn’t arrogant. They’d always be like, “Where you from?” “I’m from New York.” “Well, that sucks. Where else have you lived?” and you tell ’em and they’d say, “Well, you know, I hear that’s a great place. It’s no Texas, but it’s a great place.” They didn’t hate anybody or it wasn’t a boast. It was just like this is a great place.

BUCK: Glenn, if there was one thing that you were gonna tell everybody — ’cause we’re in pretty much the last minute here — we’re sending out a few million folks right now listening to this whether live on the radio or on the podcast later. What should they do this weekend? What’s Glenn’s advice for this weekend all across America for folks listening to this, whether it’s watch something, read something, do something? What do you tell people?

BECK: It is read the book The Great Reset — and I’m not saying ’cause it’s mine. I wish I could give it to you for free. Read the book and then tell people about it, and have hope. Because if we wake up and we all start to work together and we just… we just reembrace the Bill of Rights, we’re gonna make it. We’re gonna make it.

BUCK: All right. And I want an invite to the chocolate factory, darn it!

CLAY: (laughing)

BECK: Any time.

BUCK: I want to come swim around in the rivers and the candy canes and all the good stuff down there, so…

BECK: We actually have the golden ticket here, so come on down.

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: It doesn’t surprise me.

BUCK: This is the thing with Glenn, you try this stuff and he’s like… He probably had the gun that Doc Holliday carried in Tombstone somewhere in there.

BECK: I believe I have the belt that carried the gun.

BUCK: Oh, my gosh.

CLAY: It’s unbelievable.

BUCK: Always got something. Glenn, thank you so much, man.

BECK: You bet.

BUCK: Glenn Beck. Of course, go listen to his stuff. Get The Great Reset, his new book that’s out.

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CLAY: Right now, Herschel Walker is running against Reverend Raphael Warnock in an election, Buck, that may end up being the deciding factor in who has control of the Senate. There’s obviously a lot of different moving parts, but this is an opportunity to steal back one of those seats that was lost in 2020 in the double loss there in Georgia. Herschel Walker is up right now over Reverend Raphael Warnock by three points in the most recent poll, 47 to 44, which would be a big swing.

And right now, we don’t know who the governor is going to be because they’re gonna have a big battle between Perdue and Kemp to see who is going to be the nominee in the state of Georgia. But right now, Stacey Abrams is down six or seven points. Remember, you knew she was nervous because she didn’t show up for the Atlanta speech of Joe Biden. She claimed that she had a conflict.

Joe Biden’s approval rating right now in the state of Georgia is 34%. So we’re talking about Biden being so far underwater in the state of Georgia that the governor’s seat that Stacey Abrams could lose for a second time — even though she’s never conceded the first loss, she could lose for a second time — and Herschel Walker could help take back the Senate for Republicans by knocking Warnock out after only two years.

And, Buck, the early read here suggests that Republicans may well sweep in the state of Georgia. Months away, lots still to happen, but those are incredibly encouraging signs to what’s going on, based on, again, it’s the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, not exactly known as a conservative bulwark in the state of Georgia.

BUCK: The best thing that could happen for the country — and I would even argue in some ways for the Democrats’ prospects in 2024 — is they lose control of the House and the Senate so Joe Biden can’t do anything. (laughing) It’s like taking away the angry child’s toys. He can’t hit anybody with them.

CLAY: No doubt, and then he gets the opportunity to at least blame the fact that he can’t do anything on —

BUCK: Obstruction.

CLAY: — Republicans who are blocking everything and says, “Hey, if we had the real job here, we’d be hooked up.”

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GOV. GREG ABBOTT: It is astonishing that one lawbreaker that we are having to wage legal action against is the president of the United States! There are laws passed by the United States Congress that the president is not enforcing. There are United States constitutional provisions that the president is not upholding. Somebody has to hold the president accountable for his abandonment of the rule of law in this country. Every single one of your states, the residents of your states are facing consequences — sometimes deadly consequences — because of Biden’s open-border policies.

BUCK: The governor of Texas there, Greg Abbott, throwing some elbows at Joe Biden over his refusal to enforce the law when it comes to immigration, which is just obvious at this point! You know, we had that fantastic… If you missed it, the great thing is you go back on the podcast from yesterday’s show, Miranda Devine, the Clay and Buck show, listening on one of our 400-plus affiliates, please subscribe to the podcast so it’s always there for you. You can listen on the iHeart app, and if you miss a segment, you can go back and check it out. Great time to catch up on Clay and Buck content is over the weekends. I’ll just throw that out there.

CLAY: There you go.

BUCK: My personal favorite time to catch up. So go and listen. We had Miranda Devine talking about these flights that involve, well, secrecy, which seems so strange because the federal government is doing this. This isn’t like a CIA operation. They’re bringing migrants, they’re putting them in cities, they’re saying, “You’re free to go now!” So shouldn’t we all be able to know about this? Clay, I think that one of the things we have to do here is to continue — going into this midterm election — to remind the American people about the border.

‘Cause the Democrat corporate media will do nothing on this front, the border is the worst it has ever been from a perspective of lawlessness, not just from illegal migration, but also for purposes of the cartels enriching themselves and poisoning not just cities, towns all across America — places in Tennessee, Ohio, West Virginia, not just the big cities — with fentanyl all-time record high fentanyl and heroin overdoses last year. Over a hundred thousand Americans died of drug overdoses last year, Clay. The border is a huge vulnerability for this regime, it should be, and we need to tell people about it.

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Anti-Mask Mom’s School Board Speech Goes Viral

28 Jan 2022

BUCK: I never like to play anything on the air when I can’t tell you the name of the woman and I can’t tell you where exactly this occurred, but it is going viral right now. She’s a mom, and if I get updates on information, I will certainly tell you. But she’s a mom who’s speaking out against the craziness of what is going on right now in schools. Daniel Fullam shared this on Twitter.

He said, “Don’t tell her I posted this, but it deserves to be shared far and wide.” I wonder if Daniel knew that this was gonna be shared for a few million listeners on the biggest radio show in the country. Well, Daniel, your wish is our command. It is being shared far and wide. He wrote, “My beautiful, smart, eloquent, brave wife spoke at the school board meeting this week. This is her speech,” and I wanted you to hear some of it. Play it.

Don’t tell her I posted this, but it deserves to be shared far and wide. My beautiful, smart, eloquent, brave wife spoke at the School Board meeting this week. This is her speech. https://t.co/b39tAg0cNZ

— Daniel Fullam (@daniel_fullam) January 27, 2022

BUCK: Amen. But just think, Clay. Think of those details she’s putting out there. Your desk has to stay within a white circle on the ground? We all remember schools. We had this little desks. You kind of put them in them, and, you know, sometimes they have a little place, so you write where your arm goes and everything else. Someone in a position of authority came up with that idea, Clay, and is enforcing it against children! They are forcing mental illness on our kids across the country where they’re doing this stuff.

CLAY: Buck, if you study history — and I know you are a history guy, and I am a history guy, and I know a lot of our listeners are — you often read stories and you think to yourself, “This can’t be real. How did this ever happen?” That’s what people in the future are going to say when they read about the way that we responded to covid, in particular what we did to kids.

There are going to be… Just go ahead and clip this and you can save it for 20 years from now. People who are listening to me talk about this right now, your grandkids one day are going to be studying covid, and they’re going to come to you and they’re gonna say, “Grandma and Grandpa, did this really happen? Did they really make kids wear masks for two years?

“Did they make people sit outside on circles in the freezing cold and eat their sandwiches? Did this all really happen?” and you’re gonna say, “Yeah.” You’re gonna be able… You’re living right now in an extreme, insanity-laden era that in the future you are going to say, “Yes, that all happened,” and what will happen, Buck, is most people will claim they always knew it was a bad idea.

Twenty years from now, there will be virtually no person in America — is my prediction — that says, “Oh, yeah. We did the right thing. Kids definitely needed to do all that.” They’re all gonna pretend, 20 years later, that they knew it was the wrong decision and they’re gonna pretend. Even the people who are the most die-hard advocates of masks, they’re gonna pretend that they were never adherents in any way.

BUCK: I’m sure it was the same thing when the Spanish influenza of 1918 dissipated after three cycles of running through the population of the whole world, and the people that had been mask maniacs than — because remember there were big fights. We talked about this early on in the pandemic about masking.

Guess what, folks? No difference. Didn’t change anything. Wearing a cloth mask then didn’t stop it, and I’m sure that was far less contagious… Well, I shouldn’t say I’m sure but based on what we’re seeing now from Omicron, I mean, it was probably more likely to be effective, if effective at all, then to wear a cloth mask than it is now. But to your point, Clay, none of the people that were pushing all that madness felt bad about it afterwards.

This is one of the problems with the consensus approach to science and also in public policy that involves science is that you know what the fallback is going to be. When there are studies that show — and there will be. There already are some, but there will be definitive studies in the next five years that show that lockdowns were a catastrophic error that did nothing, no benefit whatsoever.

We spent trillions of dollars, harassed people, had masked lunatics running around shouting at their neighbors and friends. People have gotten shot over this in some places, over masks! I had to wear… I took an Uber the other day. I had to take a photo of myself with a mask on because — yes, yes — I’m unmasked, and so I got a naughty strike against me.

So now I have to take photos of myself every time I go on point here being, Clay, they’re just gonna say, “We were just taking orders,” so to speak. “We were just listening to Fauci,” and, by the way, I checked. It’s in New Jersey. That that woman was speaking in River Vale, New Jersey, right across the river from where I am here in New York City.

CLAY: Well, good for that woman for speaking out, Buck, but for people out there who remember, I made my own speech — and speech is an exaggeration because you only get whatever it is, one or two minutes, to be able to speak. But back in August in my kids’ school district — I’ve got two kids in elementary school that are in public schools, and thankfully we won that battle.

My kids have not had to wear masks in our school district all of this year, and it’s made a big difference for them in terms of their growth and enjoyment of school. I feel so awful for all of the kids out there and all the parents who have to put masks on their kids and have to send them into these awful learning environments. The fact that we have allowed this to occur is the biggest American public policy failure since Vietnam.

We are gonna be paying the consequences for what we’ve done to our kids for a long time in the future. It is just so devastating to even think that we have allowed this to happen. And, Buck, people say, “Hey, what do we need to do?” I think we have to make the consequences so severe by, at the latest, November — and I don’t know if you agree with me, Buck.

But I think at some point in the summer, the cases are gonna come down substantially and Joe Biden’s gonna try to declare victory in an effort to try to forestall whatever red wave is coming, and he’s gonna try to say, “See? We finally beat covid! We’re through the worst of it.” Even if he’s wrong, it will rise back up during December and January, seasonally like we’ve seen before. But I will be very surprised if at some point this summer, he and his health apparatus don’t decide to try to declare victory.

BUCK: I think you’re right. One part of this, Clay, this whole time… I was thinking about this recently. The one time when I was surprised and wrong about where I thought it was going was at one time that I really finally believed the consequences, which was when they rolled out the vaccines in March, April, May, and they said, “It’s 95% effective.” I thought to myself, “All right, we got a little bit more time to go here, but it’s gonna be okay.”

“We know vaccines work in other contexts. We’re gonna get to herd immunity’ this is gonna be gone.” I was willing… The time that I was the most wrong in two years ago of this — really the only major time when I was wrong — was at one time that I actually believed the so-called scientific consensus on this in thinking that the vaccines, initially, were going to — I don’t know — be vaccines? That actually you get once and you’re done and then you don’t have to worry — and as soon as the data started to come in, this is what you get for believing “the experts.”

CLAY: I remember having that conversation with Alex Berenson when he was months amazed where everybody else was. You and I were in our studio — when I could still go to New York City, by the way. We were in the studio in New York. We had Alex come in, June or July, I don’t remember.

BUCK: I think it was July.

CLAY: July. And he told me, and he laid it all out. I’d encourage people to go back and listen if you can track down that interview.

BUCK: We should pull some of it just for nostalgia and also for accuracy’s sake so people can really hear it.

CLAY: You remember, Buck, when he was saying all that stuff about the vaccines it was right before was he banned from Twitter, and he was way out in in front of where the consensus was. And virtually everything he told us in July came to pass. But that what was when everybody was talking about, “Hey, it’s a hot vax summer! Everybody’s going out and livin’ their best lives.” The belief was that covid was basically gonna disappear, and Alex came in and he said, “Not so fast. Look at the data that is going on right now in Israel. Look at what’s going on in Europe. This thing is not going to go away.”

BUCK: The Fauci CDC, NIAID, Democrat Party consensus — and it was even beyond the Democrat Party; look, I said a lot of Republicans — believed that was if we got to where we are right now in terms of these shots, Clay, it’s all over. It’s done. We’re finished, forever.

CLAY: Zero. Zero issues.

BUCK: That was the promise, and so just to give a sense, everybody, of how wrong they can really be, the one time I was like, “Okay, look, this is like boiling water, right? It either is or it isn’t. They’re either doing it or not.” Nope! Turned out that was not the case.

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28 Jan 2022

CLAY: We’ve talked, obviously, about a ton of different stories here. But one that is continuing and will be a story for months to come is the Supreme Court. Biden has said that he would like to have his nominee announced by the end of February, and really there only appear to be about four or five candidates that are getting very much attention at all, and that is certainly predicated on the fact that Joe Biden has made unbelievable statement — in my opinion — that he’s only going to nominate a black woman, meaning he has eliminated 94% of the overall people in this country who could have been considered otherwise.

We talked a lot about that this week, that in addition to the fact that it is a awful example to set, it is undercutting whoever his nominee is because many people are gonna say, “Of course. The only reason you got nominated is because Biden said, ‘I’ll only take a black woman,’ and that automatically limited how people he could consider, and so you weren’t the top choice. You were the top choice of a limited number of people.

So, 94% of people are not being considered; 6% of America, black women, those are the only people. Obviously, you have to be a judge presumably to be on the Supreme Court, limits that number even more. Only about four or five people that are worthy of consideration. Let me say this. I have seen and am intrigued early on, Buck, by what is a bit of a stealth candidacy for a woman named Michelle Childs out of South Carolina.

Now, everyone out there who pays attention to the political primaries at all in 2020 knows that Representative James Clyburn from South Carolina effectively made Joe Biden president of the United States, at least effectively made him the Democratic nominee, because Biden was getting roasted everywhere. Remember, he got destroyed in New Hampshire, destroyed in Iowa, destroyed in Nevada.

He was on the ropes close to being knocked out when Clyburn came out and said, “Biden is my guy.” Biden won in South Carolina, swept through the rest of the way. Covid hit. It wasn’t allowing really robust debates anymore; Biden ends up the nominee. Now, Clyburn, Buck, has come out pretty clearly and said, “I want this woman from South Carolina,” that he wants this woman, Judge Childs, on the Supreme Court.

Now, she’s a little bit interesting because she went to two state schools, one in Florida, graduated from the University of South Carolina law school, is an under-the-radar choice. But I saw last night, Buck, I was doing prep reading, that both of the Republican senators in South Carolina — both Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham — sound like they would vote for her if she were the nominee.

She’s a bit more moderate, worked as a partner in a law firm, has a lived experience that is a bit unique. So the question to me is, “Is it possible,” I don’t know what the answer is, “that Biden is so desperate to appear bipartisan and in such thrall and he owes so much to Clyburn that he could allow Clyburn, effectively, to pick the next Supreme Court justice?”

And if he picked this woman, Buck, it seems to me that she would get somewhat a decent amount of Republican support, and she might not be — I say “might not,” might not be — the ideologue that most people are expecting Biden to pick. Do you think it’s possible that he takes this path which would be somewhat bipartisan given the options that are out there?

BUCK: I think that we’re at the early stage, and as we look at the possible candidates, one thing to remember is that you don’t have to be a radical jurist to give the left everything that it wants from the bench. So, one of the more left-wing choices out there right now, for example, who is being considered is Sherrilyn Ifill, I believe cousin of the former journalist who passed away, Gwen Ifill. Sherrilyn Ifill is somebody that’s the director council of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, right?

Now, people are talking about her as a possibility. I don’t know that much about her, but she is known to be in legal analysis circles — and as Clay can tell you, those are some nerdy circles. But they get really, really deep into this stuff. But she’s known to be pretty left-wing, pretty left-wing ideologue, right? But even if you had someone like a Merrick Garland…

Remember Merrick Garland? They promised us in the Obama administration, “Oh, he’s so moderate! This is great for everybody.” Merrick Garland’s the one who’s putting out the “Hey, you better watch yourself, parents. I’ll send the FBI after you at these school board meetings.” Merrick Garland is a left-wing hack. So all you need is someone who is left of center in their jurisprudence, and you’re gonna get essentially what you get with — the same decisions you’d see in terms of voting on the court, up or down or whatever it may be from — Sotomayor and Kagan and Breyer.

So I don’t think it doesn’t make that much difference from that perspective. In terms of the politics of it and getting through the process, yeah. I don’t know, Clay. Help me find a place where I can place bets on this so I can put my money where mouth is. There will be Republican support in the Senate for whomever the nominee is. There will be a few at least.

I think you could see even five, six, seven, maybe more Republicans who break in favor of this nominee ’cause we still play — Republicans play — the game very differently than the left does, right? We saw it in the Kavanaugh situation, which can I ask you… I don’t want to divert. Did that have a profound effect on your perception of American politics that endures to this day? It was a bit of a sea change moment for me. That was when I was like, “Okay, I’m not just trying to win over the libs. These people are crazy commies. We have to defeat them.”

CLAY: Well, to me was a line of demarcation, right? Sort of Rubicon moment. And there are all sorts — and this is me talking from a legal perspective. Every single Supreme Court justice is going to decide cases differently than I would, right? If you had Supreme Court Justice Clay Travis, there’s not a single person out there on the court right now that would have the exact same opinions.

There’s nothing wrong with that. You come to your logic differently. So I have long believed that if a nominee is within the reasonable bounds, right, of being high-level legal scholar enough that you should defer to the president who is trying to put that person on the bench. What I saw with Kavanaugh was an unprecedented, illegitimate assault upon his nomination, and I gotta give credit to Mollie Hemingway who wrote a phenomenal book about the behind the scenes.

BUCK: Justice on Trial. I have it at home.

CLAY: It’s a phenomenal book she wrote about the behind the scenes. But as I watched — and I watched every minute of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings. As I watched those hearings, I was so incredibly appalled by what I saw from the Democrats that I couldn’t even believe I was watching a real examination in any way in the United States.

BUCK: And who was among the very worst?

CLAY: Kamala.

BUCK: Kamala Harris. Then-Senator Harris was an abject disgrace — not just as a senator, as a person — in what she was willing to do to the manifestly, obviously innocent Brett Kavanaugh. Everyone says “Oh, Buck, you don’t know that.” Really? Did they tell you about all the people who came out and said Brett Kavanaugh raped me too on a boat in Rhode Island, and then it comes out, “Oh, this is a crazy person; had never even been to Rhode Island”?

There are so many people coming out with the same smear. They found one that they thought they could actually make it happen with, end his nomination with. Anyone who went along with that should hang their heads in shame. It was disgraceful. But I do think it went to show just how the Democrats will go all the way. They’ll do whatever they have to do to maintain power, and they’ll do anything they have to do to feel like the Supreme Court is still their super legislature.

And you’re not gonna… I’m just preparing everybody right now, Clay, this is not what I think a lot of folks want to hear. Republicans aren’t even gonna put up a fight over this nomination. There are gonna be some questions. A couple people that want to get a little more time on TV might get a good sound bite heater or there from the right. That’ll be it.

CLAY: I will say this — and it’s an interesting discussion — I do feel like that going after her could play into the Democrats’ hands only because of so many other things that are going on wrong. However long you spend on the Supreme Court debate is time that’s not spent on inflation, on the border, on the crime rate, on covid, which are all failures of Biden. You know how this is going to end. She’s going to end up on the Supreme Court.

BUCK: So what’s the point?

CLAY: Why drag it on?

BUCK: Just so… I think that’s very true. I think that’s astute. So don’t expect there to be some big effort to block her, ’cause also, okay. Let’s say they block her. Who was the judge you brought up from South Carolina, Clay? I’m sorry the name?

CLAY: I’ve got it in front of me right now.

BUCK: Well, anyway, that judge, any number of the African-American female judges that they brought up —

CLAY: Childs. Judge Childs.

BUCK: Childs. If you were to — and let’s say Republicans went all out and they said, “This person’s too radical.” Well, you’re gonna get another left-wing ideologue on the court. It doesn’t really matter, ’cause they’re not gonna bend on this. They’re gonna put a left-wing, living-Constitution, legislate-from-the-bench ideologue on there. So it doesn’t make that much difference regardless.

And I think you’re right, actually. It could really play in the Democrats’ hands to be… Look, they should press on judicial philosophy. Get whoever… I think we can say “she.” We know it’s gonna be a woman, right? Get whoever she is to admit that she’s very left-wing, so we kind of get it on the record. But going to the mat to try to stop this the way they did Kavanaugh? Not gonna happen, and I think not gonna happen and probably not even good politics.

CLAY: Right, they thought going after Kavanaugh was good politics ’cause he’s a white guy and they wanted to make…

BUCK: Clay?

CLAY: Yeah?

BUCK: The White House was close to pulling the Kavanaugh nomination.

CLAY: So close to pulling it.

BUCK: It got close. Folks, this is not often talked about. They almost succeeded with the smear against Kavanaugh. They almost succeeded.

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BUCK: The Biden regime, folks, is not looking so good. You got the secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, on TV right now giving a press conference on the U.S. response to Russia. Let’s just take into account for a second here that even Volodymyr… I don’t know if I said that right.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I wanted to give it a shot though, you know what I mean? That’s one of those tightrope names where you gotta just… You gotta. You know what I mean? Once you step on it, you gotta keep going. Volodymyr Zelensky has said that Biden is making things worse, which I think is not a surprise to anybody. I also feel like, Clay, one of your favorite movies and mine, Tombstone, when they’re about to go out and have the shootout in the OK Corral, remember the line where —

CLAY: It’s so great. So great.

BUCK: It’s so great. If anyone hasn’t seen it, go watch it this weekend. Do yourself a favor. But they go out and you had Wyatt Earp say that he wanted Doc Holliday to have the street howitzer, the shotgun, ’cause then the cowboys might be a little less quick to go for their guns. Trump, in a foreign policy sense? Trump was like Doc Holliday. You kind of wanted him on the street howitzer. You wanted him ready to rock, ’cause then the bad guys had to be on their toes. Clay, you see right now what the polls are saying? This is a quick one. Here’s CNN saying that 55% of Americans disapprove of Biden, and this is not even just on foreign policy. Listen.

JAKE TAPPER: CNN’s new Poll of Polls says Biden’s overall job approval rating is 42%, and that includes a new Monmouth survey that says only 30% of Americans think that President Biden is “very concerned” with the economic well-being of average Americans.

BUCK: I think people miss Trump in the foreign policy realm too being the guy with the street howitzer.

CLAY: I think that there is a cluelessness that comes when you’re in the White House in general because you’re in the middle of a fight every day, it feels like, but you lose touch with what the larger community cares about. I think the media’s guilty of this too. There is right now… If I were to say the three things that Americans white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight, Democrat, Republican, independent — the three things that Americans — care about right now?

You can argue about the order, but I would say it’s inflation, I would say that it is crime, and I would say that it’s covid. Right? I would say that those are the three things that Americans care about the most right now. Inflation, crime and covid. How has Joe Biden made any of those three things better? And that’s why ultimately, they are so desperate, I think, with this new Supreme Court justice that they’re gonna try to appoint.

Frankly, I do think we had great conversation yesterday about the idea of there being a Wag the Dog component to this Ukraine story, that it distracts from what’s going on domestically in the United States. Those three things that we just talked about are getting worse on a day-to-day basis, and Biden is not addressing them. He’s in Pennsylvania today to talk about infrastructure. That’s great. More power to him.

I guess a bridge fell in Pittsburgh. But you’re still not addressing inflation, you’re still not addressing crime, and you’re still not addressing covid. And I think that inability to get at what Americans care about the most is why Joe Biden’s approval ratings are so awful. Combine the fact that he’s doing a bad job, but it doesn’t even seem like — to most voters out there, Buck, I believe — that he’s focused on the things that they care about.

BUCK: Yes. And this is what happens when you run as a Trojan horse candidate who promises to unite the country and be a moderate to fool people during a pandemic year who are persuadable voters, to just eke out — and we’ve talked about a million times, how close the election is when you really look at the Electoral College and what it was state by state. What’s that number you always cite, Clay, 50,000?

CLAY: It’s 40,000, 40,000. The way to think about it, Buck, is 20,000 people change their minds in Wisconsin, in Georgia, and in Arizona — and I’m not getting into the legitimacy of those counts. I’m just saying, 20,000 people — that’s one NHL arena, that’s one NBA arena in the entire country, 20,000 people — change their mind, Donald Trump is president right now.

BUCK: And what we’re seeing is that Joe Biden went into office — Democrats do this a lot. I call it the Democrat head fake. He managed to become president by saying he was going to do certain things to get enough votes from moderates, independents, swing voters in those key states. And now we see, he’s really just a tool of the left.

And what was the first stuff he did in office, the first executive orders, the stuff that he’s pushing? Massive spending, massive regulation, Green New Deal, all of this, that’s not moderate! That’s not uniting the country, and he knows it. In fact, he says if you don’t support Democrats federalizing elections, you’re Bull Connor, Clay.

CLAY: That’s right and he ignores the fact that the reality is the modern-day George Wallace has nothing to do with voting. It has to do with people standing on the steps in Northern Virginia not letting you into a building unless you’re wearing a mask.

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