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Clay Theory: How Dems Make Midterms a Referendum on Abortion

12 Jan 2022

CLAY: I told you I had my grand theory here. Buck, tell me what you think about this. You haven’t heard it. I teased it. Right now, the filibuster is not gonna get changed. It doesn’t feel like Build Back Better is going to have any strong measure of success. How are the Democrats gonna spend 2022 as they get ready for the midterms? Here’s my theory, Buck.

I think that Stephen Breyer steps down in June right after the final Supreme Court decisions are released for that term, which will include the abortion case out of Mississippi and out of Texas, potentially — certainly will also include the covid vaccine case, all of those things. That then gives the Democrats a small window as they head for the midterms where they’re likely to lose control of both the House and the Senate to end up putting someone on the Supreme Court.

That turns the summer into the fall, which would actually put this person forward in September and October. The entire midterms, they’re going to try to make a referendum on abortion — and we already know, Joe Biden has already pledged it that it’s going to be a black woman who he nominates for the Supreme Court. Maybe it’s Kamala Harris — who, regardless of who he picks, that is their plan:

To terrify suburban women with abortion tied up with a Supreme Court justice being approved, ’cause you got 50 votes, and we know Democrats would all stand behind that. But they want to create that as the primary story to try to detract from whatever might be going on with covid, the border, murders — and certainly hopefully inflation is better by then, but who knows. What do you think about that idea, looking forward as the overriding focus of the Democratic Party in the fall of ’22?

BUCK: Well, it’s a prediction, right, that’s entirely contingent on what that Supreme Court decision is, because if that Supreme Court decision, let’s say, does not overturn in part or in whole aspects of Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey —

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: So, yeah, assuming that happens, it will certainly be a factor. I still think that their belief is that they can run on covid fear, the insurrection narrative and voting rights racism allegations.

CLAY: I think that’s a disaster.

BUCK: Look, I think it’s a disaster too. I think that whatever their strategy is, unless something crazy happens, it’s gonna be entirely insufficient. People forget this. Republicans in a pandemic year actually did pretty well with the exception of the Trump v. Biden and then the duo Senate seats in Georgia.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: But in a lot of places, a lot of congressional seats, Republicans actually — for what the expectations would be when the party in power is in the midst of a once-in-a-century pandemic, they held their ground pretty well. I am upset seeing how Republicans have no spine in state after state on the redistricting issue. Democrats are ruthless. They are Attila the Hun of redistricting and then Republicans, “Oh, but I want people at CNN to like me!” They just can’t get it together. But I think, Clay, it will be a part of it. I still think that the insurrection and the covid narrative are gonna be the primary pushes.

CLAY: I was just gonna say, it’s also contingent on Stephen Breyer agreeing to step down, which he may not be willing to do.

BUCK: Yeah, you get some of these Democrats who never want to release their grip on power or fame, like Fauci.

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It’s Easy to Cheer for Djokovic, Rodgers, and Irving

12 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, I’m fascinated. We haven’t talked a lot about this, but we talked about the issues in Australia as it relates to covid, and much of it seems to be coming to a head. I know you like tennis. I think you went to the U.S. Open here recently.

BUCK: I did, yes! I went to France.

CLAY: Novak Djokovic, the best tennis player in the world right now, is right continuing to fight over whether he’s gonna be allowed to compete at the Australian Open despite the fact that he’s not been vaccinated. Now, he’s had covid multiple times but certainly has had covid and has refused to get vaccinated and this has created a monster story down under.

For those of you who weren’t following this, Djokovic got an exemption, took off from Europe to travel to Australia. While I was in the process of traveling, word of that exemption got out — and when he arrived in Australia, they put him in a hotel room under armed guard and said they were no longer going to grant his exemption. Well, Djokovic went to the courts.

He got his situation reviewed by a judge in Australia who said, “Hey, actually you are going to be able to come into this country,” and so right now — as we are about a week out from the start of the Aussie Open — he is training and getting in shape and getting prepared for this match. But it brings home for many people the focal point of exactly how totalitarian Australia has been, Buck, when it comes to being allowed entry to the country.

Their default rule is effectively, “If you’re not vaccinated, you’re not allowed to come here,” and Djokovic obviously has got an exemption on that, and that has thrust that entire policy which initially was covid zero, right? They locked down, because they’re an island continent. They basically locked down and said, “No one can come in here,” and now they’ve got the vaccine and cases are skyrocketing and they’re looking, I think, for someone to blame, and Djokovic is that target.

BUCK: Now this guy I think has become my favorite tennis player. I mean, my favorite football player, Aaron Rodgers. Wherever he is out there, I need to… I’m not an autograph guy, but I might have to get him to autograph my Aaron Rodgers jersey that I still need to order, but it’s still on my list of things to do. So big, big high fives for Aaron Rodgers for just not the bending the knee to the madness, to Kyrie Irving of the Nets.

Remember, they were taking those stances, particularly Kyrie Irving, before we knew that, “Okay, so the stop-the-spread thing is a total absurd joke in terms of what they promise versus what the reality is.” The Pfizer CEO, I know they’re trying to pull it offline, but the Pfizer CEO saying (impression), “You have some protection after the two shot not really protection, maybe third shot,” you know, Bourla. I got work on my Bourla. It’s getting closer, though.

CLAY: He’s invited, by the way, on the show. Nobody will actually come on the show and answer questions from us if they’re at all worried about MSNBC or CNN. You know, they never actually have a difficult question on those shows, but we would have the CEO of Pfizer on, ’cause I would love to hear him explain why there should be a vaccine mandate when he’s acknowledging that the first two doses of the vaccine do nothing for Omicron.

BUCK: But Djokovic here is a guy who… You know, it’s interesting, the tennis world. You got these two ultrasuperstars, Nadal and Federer, and really the best three certainly of the last, what, 15 or 20 years are Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal, when you look at the overall wins of the majors in tennis. There’s Pete Sampras from before, but I think Pete Sampras has been eclipsed by at least two, if not three of these guys in terms of wins, at least.

But, anyway, Djokovic was thought of being kind of a… Originally, they said he was the joker. He was kind of funny. But then he was considered a little surly and he hasn’t always been on great terms with the fans and people. You know better than anybody, they create these narratives. If I know about it, there’s a narrative out there, right? ‘Cause I don’t follow sports very closely.

But he’s a guy, though, who falls into this category now of sports figures who are actually taking heat for what they believe in. It’s just so funny. You have the whole sports media will talk about how great it is that people kneel during the game. They follow Kaepernick’s lead — and Kaepernick is a clown and a hack and the whole thing was so self-serving, it’s obvious. But here you have people that are at least taking a stand because they don’t agree with what’s going on one way or another.

Now, maybe Djokovic — apparently, he might have — falsified a little information on the travel document. But, you know, look, people are trying to noncomply with this madness in different ways. And Australia, I mean, think about what they’re doing. Their caseload… Australia used to be the place that was like, “Oh, we figured it all out,” right? They were the place that these lockdowners would point to. Cases are through the roof in Australia right now.

CLAY: That’s a hundred percent right — and, Buck, I think what we can’t lose here is you mentioned Aaron Rodgers with the Green Bay Packers, you mentioned Novak Djokovic, and also Kyrie Irving. What do all those guys have in common? They’re excellent at their chosen profession. And they, I believe, are speaking out for a lot of guys who are on the periphery or the borderland of whether or not they’re going to be able to play as pro athletes.

And it doesn’t surprise me that if you’re a backup linebacker on the Green Bay Packers and you know that you’re right on the edge of whether or not you’re gonna be a pro athlete, if there’s a mandate for the vaccine effectively in the NFL — which effectively there is. It’s not officially a mandate, but 97% of them did. You don’t want to rock the boat because you don’t want to give your boss a reason to kick you off the team for not following the rules.

That’s why you need people like Aaron Rodgers, Kyrie Irving, and Novak Djokovic because they are in such positions of prominence that their talent guarantees. The Packers ain’t gonna release Aaron Rodgers over covid because if they did, 31 other teams almost would be making a claim to try to get him. Same thing with Kyrie Irving and the Nets, and Djokovic is arguably the best tennis player in the world. It’s a lot easier to stay quiet or go along with the consensus. I give these guys a lot of credit for speaking out.

BUCK: Think about this too: You are held in Australia now for how many days if you’re Djokovic because you’re not vaccinated? But he had the virus. He’s probably past the window of contagion. He certainly passed the CDC order for five days and then you can go out there, which we know they just changed from 10.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They’re still not even talking about natural immunity, folks. There is so much more here that is a mess than about the science. It is about control and power, and it’s obvious for anybody willing to open their eyes and take the mask off their face — which is a very liberating experience, I might add.

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McConnell Calls Out Biden’s Segregationist BS

12 Jan 2022

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL: Twelve months ago, this president said, “Disagreement must not lead to disunion.” Ah, but yesterday he invoked a bloody disunion of the Civil War — the Civil War! — to demonize Americans who disagree with him. He compared — listen to this — a bipartisan majority of senators to literal traitors. How profoundly, profoundly unpresidential. Look, I’ve known, liked, and personally respected Joe Biden for many years. I did not recognize the man at the podium yesterday.

BUCK: It was so angry. I watched the whole speech this morning. (impression) “It’s got a lot of Joe Biden doin’ this thing, where he sorta gets his eyes real beady and stares at ya like ya just trampled on his petunias in his front yard. He’s mad at ya, and maybe he’s gonna sniff the top of your head like a weirdo.” You realize that Joe Biden isn’t up for this, never was up for this.

But beyond that, he is being used as a tool of people that really are willing to do radical things and create not only a lack of unity but to separate the most extreme polarization of politics in this country by just the whiplash of being for something then against it — in favor of a policy, then shouting down the policy — depending on who’s in power. The filibuster is a perfect example.

We could sit here, Clay and I could do a whole hourlong show — maybe longer — on all the times Democrats whether it’s Schumer or Biden in the past were saying, “Oh, if you get rid of this, it’s going to undermine our democracy! Get rid of the filibuster, undermine or democracy, or even weaken it,” and now Biden explicitly endorsed changing the rules of the Senate to get through the filibuster this one voting right bill.

And we all know what the voting rights bill is about: Trying to change the playing field of our electoral system to favor Democrats by largely making it impossible to prevent or even detect — and those things, of course, go hand in hand — any kind of voter fraud. As Clay points out often, we’re not talking about a lot of votes here, folks. This is why it matters to have voter integrity protection.

Yeah, sure, it’s not that there’s somebody with millions of fake ballots showing up like Santa Claus with a big bag full of them and just dropping them (although stuff like that has happened in places), but it’s not on the scale of millions that it has to happen. It can be on the scale of thousands, and it can even be on the scale of hundreds if you look to, say, the Norm Coleman race. Who’s the SNL unfunny comedian who’s a smarmy fellow?

CLAY: Al Franken.

BUCK: Thank you. Al Franken. There were hundreds of votes separating those two, and they were finding votes in the trunks of cars. It got so shady, of course, with Democrats. Whenever it gets shady, you know Democrats are gonna win in an election. And this is what we’re talking about: Trying to make it hard to cheat and easy to vote. Clay, I just say this, not only is vote shouting and being, you know, the tool of left-wing interests that he is now.

He knows that’s his real, right? Whatever the Democrat Party needs this is what he’s done. Look at how dishonest the argument is I’ll give a shout-out to our buddy Matt Walsh of the daily hour for his tweet that points out something so essential. Where are all of these people who have been stopped for voting in these different districts? Where are all these people that have felt the sting of racism area wanted to cast a ballot? Just give me the last 10 years! Where is this even happening. They never give you specifics.

CLAY: Well, and I thought, first of all, well said by Mitch McConnell. And I think that will land and on Joe Biden in terms of Biden will see those quotes, and he’s had a longtime relationship with Mitch McConnell, and I think what Mitch McConnell got to the essence of is, Biden is captured by left-wing elements of his regime, and he is trotting out and reading whatever they put into the Teleprompter.

And what is frustrating to me on many levels here — and this just speaking from a historical basis — is they keep trying to make historical analogies that are falling flat in an embarrassing way. Remember when Joe Biden showed up in Philadelphia, Buck, and he said, “This is the most dangerous time in our democracy since the Civil War,” effectively? It’s not true.

Okay, we had an election during the Civil War. In 1864, Abraham Lincoln ran against the guy George Brinton McClellan, who he had put in in charge of the Union Army, and the question at stake was, “Do we continue the war or not?” and, by the way, McClellan was the Democrat who wanted to theoretically allow the South to go off on their own.

We had an election during World War II, and the question was, “Should we continue on the path we are on” in World War II in 1944 or not? So when they have Kamala Harris, Buck, saying this is the equivalent of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 for January 6th when yesterday Joe Biden showed up and said, “If you don’t support this change in the law, you are Jefferson Davis, you are George Wallace, you are an old racist.”

By the way, George Wallace praised Joe Biden and Biden loved the praise that he got historically. So now he’s acting like that’s a bad thing. Our staff tracked down that story which I’m pulling up in front of me right now, surrounding Biden saying like, “Hey, I love this praise from George Wallace.” You don’t even have to go to George Wallace of course. You can focus on Robert Byrd who Biden was all about who was a former member of the KKK.

BUCK: I believe an Exalted Cyclops, not just a member.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: A senior member of the KKK. He wasn’t a foot soldier. He was one of the ones at the very top — and, Clay, you have that quote about Biden and Wallace?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Go for it.

CLAY: The quote here is — and in high school from the 1970s — Joseph Biden of Delaware, for example, tells Southerners that “the lower half of his state is culturally part of Dixie.” He “reminds them that former Alabama governor George Wallace praised him as ‘one of the outstanding young politicians of America.'”

BUCK: This is the most classic Joe Biden moment because he has always done exactly what was necessary in the moment for Joe Biden to have maximum political benefit. That is his ideology. It is Bidenism. It is whatever would help Joe Biden. He is a machine politician of the first order. But what you see here with all this stuff over voting rights is brainless slogans and reckless exaggeration are the heart of demagoguery, and they now compromise the core of the Democrat Party.

That’s what you’re hearing. All this stuff about, “Our democracy is at risk, our democracy…” What does that even mean? When you sit back, you think about this, what are they saying, actually? If we don’t have — forget about the slogans. Go beneath it. If we don’t have ballot harvesting — which has been illegal in dozen of states for as long as I’ve been alive and you’ve been alive — our democracy is in peril? They gotta be kidding me.

Because we have a system that actually makes people show ID to cast a vote, our system is in peril? The Supreme Court already looked at that in a case in Indiana and found that is voter ID is, in fact, constitutional — that it’s a compelling state interest and there’s nothing racist about it. But they keep saying this, Clay, because they know that it makes them feel even as stupid as these arguments are…

Look at all the Democrat states that don’t have the things that they say you need or else you’re racist in election. They just want to call everybody else racist. It is their moral compulsion. It is a need that they have to feel morally superior because everybody else is racist.

CLAY: What about the idea that Democrats want you to have a vaccine identity card to go to McDonald’s, but they say it’s racist for you to need an ID to vote? And, by the way, you hit on the Supreme Court. The thing that nobody will take the next step on regardless of whether the filibuster is changed, Buck, is this: The Supreme Court, based on their most recent jurisprudence, is going to shut down as unconstitutional, I believe, whatever they try to pass when it comes to federalizing state and local elections that are not agreed with by the state and local administrations.

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Is Anyone But Buck Watching Peaky Blinders?

12 Jan 2022

BUCK: By the way, since you’re throwing shows out there all the time, ’cause now I’m… By the way, the Travis family has got me now. Now, as it is, I gotta find a wife, Travis. I gotta get married. I don’t have time for this stuff. I’m watching Yellowstone now.

CLAY: Yellowstone is fantastic.

BUCK: I’m watching Cobra Kai again.

CLAY: I’m just starting Cobra Kai. When college football season ends and I don’t have to be on the road as much, I suddenly find myself with more time. There’s a reason two of my three kids were born in September. People can do the math. But that’s when I catch up on all the television viewing.

BUCK: And have you seen Peaky Blinders?

CLAY: I’ve heard it’s great.

BUCK: Oh, you’ve already seen it. All right.

CLAY: No, no, I’ve heard it’s great. I haven’t watched it.

BUCK: You haven’t seen that?

CLAY: No.

BUCK: Top of the list for you, Travis. Peaky Blinders. When you have time for the new show, you and the missus. You gotta push through the first three episodes. It can be a little bleak and a little… It’s very violent, a little intense. Such a great show, though. The team here, Ali and Mike and Greg, have you guys all seen Peaky Blinders? (interruption) This is completely insane. I’m like a man on an island all alone here. None of them have seen it either.

CLAY: Where is it set? In England, right?

BUCK: It’s 1920s Birmingham England gangsters. It’s amazing. They called them the Peaky Blinders because — this is pretty rough, so earmuffs for the kids. They had these little like kind of derby hats, I guess you’d call them, and they kept razor blades in the brim, and they would use the hat as a weapon and try to slash people with it sometimes in the face and the eyes.

CLAY: Holy cow. That’s crazy.

BUCK: That’s why they’re the Peaky Blinders. They don’t actually show that, though, or maybe they do. I don’t know.

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Fauci Admits Everybody Will Get Omicron

12 Jan 2022

FAUCI: I think in many respects, Omicron — with its extraordinary (sputtering) unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility — will ultimately find just about everybody. Unfortunately, those who are still unvaccinated are going to get the brunt of the severe aspect of this.

BUCK: Okay. So Fauci there saying basically everybody’s gonna get Omicron. Everyone’s gonna be exposed to it to be sure and pretty much everybody is gonna get some version of it, and so then we’d sit around and say, “Okay. So since now we see the vaccine doesn’t stop spread,” and there’s increasingly an acceptance of what should have been known from the very beginning.

Because we’ve never been able to stop the spread of the common cold through measures and trying to was destined to fail. But that’s effectively, in terms of transmission ending, what we’ve ended up trying to do. Highly unsuccessfully, I might add. He’s saying, “Well, now you gotta get vaccinated to avoid the severe situation.” First of all, what about people who have already had Omicron?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Where is the question…?

CLAY: Millions, tens of millions of people.

BUCK: Right. Where is the question to Fauci about, “Okay. If someone just had Omicron and they got vaccinated for what came before Omicron, why are they gonna get vaccinated again with a booster?” Who thinks that that is a sane thing to do? They don’t have these answers — and the fact that he’s not asked that, Clay, is stunning! It’s so obvious, right? “What about natural immunity from Omicron which is already widespread across the country in a lot of people?”

Why should they be told to get a booster? That makes no sense, does it? I mean, maybe you could see it will make them even more protected, but how protected do you need to be? At some point, this is all just being told to triple mask. At some point, it’s unacceptable how much they want to put people through for a minimal, if any, increase in protecting them from a virus.

I am not scared of Omicron; you are not scared of Omicron. There are older people listening to us who have different health issues who should get the shot, and then they should also not be scared of Omicron because what are you gonna do, live your life in fear? It’s probably gonna be fine. The odds are in your favor. Same way you get into a car and don’t cry about how there’s so many people who die in car accidents every year.

CLAY: Not only that, the same people who are afraid of Omicron should be terrified of the flu because they are the same ones who should be getting the flu shot. What I hope our Supreme Court is aware of, Buck, is, I hope they have looked at all this data. We know they’re not very well informed, but I hope after the embarrassment of many of the questions that were asked in the oral argument they’re coming around to realizing that we have a vaccine mandate — shot one and shot two — which the Pfizer CEO himself acknowledges offers limited protection, if any, against Omicron.

So how are we mandating a vaccine that the CEO of Pfizer himself is acknowledging will not provide hardly any protection while simultaneously the czar of our covid response, Dr. Fauci, is saying, “Hey, basically everybody’s gonna get this”? Because at that point if you get it, the risk is on you. Initially we were told, “Well, if you don’t get this vaccine, you’re gonna prolong the pandemic ’cause you’re gonna be spreading it.”

We know that it doesn’t end now. So, Buck, I just… I’m with you. It’s frustrating that questions like those in follow up do not get asked to Fauci. That’s why we’d like to have him on the show, because these are important questions that everybody deserves to know the answer to.

BUCK: We would be respectful. I would not interview Fauci as Fauci, as amusing as that would be for me.

CLAY: That would be.

BUCK: It would be fun, but we would be respectful; we would ask real questions. We’d let him speak. But he’s not coming on so that’s just the reality of it.

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Covid Hypocrisy Will Drive Angry Red Tide in November

12 Jan 2022

CLAY: I know we don’t talk hardly at all about British politics, but we were just talking about during the break one thing that has been true across state lines, across country lines, is politicians have consistently — especially Democrats here, whether it’s AOC down in Miami, whether it’s Gretchen Whitmer traveling down to Florida, I think the governor of Illinois basically relocated his whole family to Florida while he shut down his whole state.

The hypocrisy has been pretty staggering, and really what they’re saying is, while they’re telling all of us, “Hey, you’re in tremendous danger,” their actions, by and large, don’t reflect that that is true — and sometimes that hypocrisy blows up, and it may end up costing Boris Johnson his position in England. I don’t know how many out there have been following this, but this is pretty funny.

So they had a gathering in May of 2020 where Boris Johnson’s private secretary sent out a notice to people telling them, “Hey, bring your own beer and we’re gonna have a party here at 10 Downing Street,” which is where the prime minister resides in England. Some of the details on this are pretty crazy because they lied about, effectively, it appears, whether they knew it was going to happen or not.

And now the way this situation is going, Boris Johnson has come out and said that he’s sorry about the way things went. He now has admitted that he attended the party. He said he thought it was a work event. So he lied about attending the party. But they were restricting all gatherings, and then they reportedly had a alcohol-infused party for a hundred people at 10 Downing Street, Buck.

So this is bad enough that a massive percentage of people in England now are calling for Boris Johnson to resign, and Boris Johnson has been a guy who historically has always been in hot water and then kind of wriggled his way out of trouble. But he says he understands public fury, took responsibility, said he believed it was a work event even though around a hundred people were invited and urged to, quote, “bring your own booze.”

He says, “I bitterly regret it. I wish we could have done things differently,” and the rules at the time in England said that no gatherings of more than two people were allowed. This is… It’s amazing the fallout that has occurred for people in positions of power during covid, whether it’s Andrew Cuomo — and I know it was technically #MeToo that took him out, not covid — Gavin Newsom gets recalled. Yes, he won the recall election.

And we know what happened in Virginia and nearly happened in New Jersey. And Buck, all of this tying together, I think there’s gonna be an angry red tide that is going to sweep out politicians — and some of the politicians that end up losing, Buck, I think it’s gonna be such a red tide that we don’t even talk about the possibility they might lose. Like Murphy, the governor of New Jersey, almost lost his reelection bid this past November, and all of the focus was on Virginia and whether Youngkin could pull off the upset, and nobody even talked about Murphy.

BUCK: Isn’t it remarkable when you think about how some of the biggest advocates for lockdowns, the most publicly in favor of them — and by “lockdowns” we mean everything, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The policies of masking and mask up between bites and six feet of social distancing — maybe three feet, maybe 20 feet, who knows? They keep changing, right? All of those things, you look at the people who were the most sanctimonious about it in public life, and time and again they are caught being huge frauds, really almost without exception.

Find me a prominent Democrat who is really at the top of the heap, whether it is former governor Cuomo or Newsom or Pelosi or AOC recently. You look at all these different individuals, and it just goes to show you that it’s not just the hypocrisy. It’s the notion that a true tyranny is not the strict enforcement of laws for everybody. That’s actually not what you had in the Soviet Union. That’s not what you have in North Korea.

It’s very strict and capricious enforcement of laws. So some people get crushed by the machinery of the state and in this case by the machinery of the Fauciite lockdown madness. Other people get to live by different rules. When that’s possible, you don’t have the universal burden across society. And so of course it’s much easier for people to be advocates for this who are at the top. The same thing we see with the, “We’re all in this together.”

We had all these upper-middle class libs in Santa Monica, in Brooklyn, and whatever the fancy parts of Chicago and Atlanta, Buckhead, whatever, right, in the fancy parts, having their food delivered to them at home doing Zoom in their pajamas talking about “we’re all in this together,” while the truckers, the grocery store workers, the postal delivery people, et cetera — go down the list, the cops, firefighters — they were all doing their jobs.

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: We weren’t all in this together. It was always a lie. Because, Clay, if we had been all in it together and if Boris Johnson had to be in it with everybody in the U.K. and Pelosi and Schumer and all the rest of them here, maybe they wouldn’t have been able to stomach this stuff as long as they did.

CLAY: And it is interesting because do you agree with me that the tide of anger is unlikely to subside? I know you’ve talked about it a little bit, Buck, where you feel like things are so bad for Biden, they can’t possibly stay this bad. But I think it’s highly unlikely, if you look at the Senate, that there’s anything that’s really gonna get passed in the Senate for the next several months.

And then once you get into the summer and the campaign season for 2022, barring some sort of crazy surprise — and there could be a crazy, surprise, right? Russia could invade Ukraine. China could invade Taiwan. It sort of upsets the overall applecart of expectations. Certainly, if we’d been having this conversation in January of 2020, we’d have been saying, “Hey, things like pretty good for Trump to win reelection overwhelmingly,” because covid hadn’t yet hit.

We’d just hit a new… If you go back and read the newspapers in January and February of 2020, we still haven’t gotten anywhere back to the same number of people who were employed. Right? They talk about the unemployment rate, but there are millions of people who just have decided not to go back to work. And something crazy could happen, but I tend to think this red tide is gonna be overwhelming, and I think it’s gonna be fueled in many ways by covid anger.

BUCK: I think there are people who are beginning to see for the first time that there is no exit plan from the madness. There is a big chunk of the country who, unfortunately, I think that they are emotionally incapable of handling real life right now — of just handling the risks that are out there with covid and from everything else — because, as we’ve talked about, they ramped up the fear so very much because it was useful to defeat Donald Trump.

But you have that middle 10 to 20% of the country who are open to persuasion one way or the other, and they are seeing… Fauci can whine and moan all day about how people are mean to him and everything else. This has been the CDC. I think actually Scott Gottlieb, who is the former FDA chairman — who is one of these guys who appears on MSNBC and CNN. He’s pretty well known; he’s also on the board of Pfizer, by the way.

CLAY: Yeah, that’s convenient.

BUCK: I think it’s interesting to point out that he says the CDC is just needs to basically be scrapped and rebuilt, which is funny, ’cause I actually wrote an editorial at BuckSexton.com (laughing) about that a few days ago where I’m like, “Yeah, it does. The CDC is a giant failure.” Anyone who’s looking objectively at the last 12 months would have to say that decision was made after decision with poor results and in some cases disastrous results. But here’s my problem with all this, Clay.

I think that the Democrats — as a result of this — they just run the scorched-earth, insurrection, Republicans-are-racist, the unvaccinated-are-murdering-people playbook. They just go… Oh, and they try to change the election laws wherever they can. ‘Cause what are they gonna argue, right? What’s actually the case going to be? Joe Biden’s a clown. Everyone listening to this radio show knows it. Even the Democrats listening to this radio show know it. They knew it before they voted for him.

CLAY: Yeah, it’s a great point.

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    Clay Talks College Covid Mandates, Paul vs. Fauci

    12 Jan 2022

    Clay speaks out for his fellow parents who are frustrated with the way students from grade school to college are being sacrificed on the altar of covid fear porn, and gives his thoughts on Sen. Rand Paul finally demanding answers to tough questions from Anthony Fauci.

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    Alex Berenson’s Covid Latest: The Truth Is Getting Out

    11 Jan 2022

    BUCK: We’ve got our friend Alex Berenson with us right now to make sense of the latest data and numbers — the man who is right no matter how much they claim otherwise — author of Pandemia, a great book you should pick up and please subscribe to his Substack. I am a subscriber as is Clay. Thanks so much for being here, Alex.

    BERENSON: Always a pleasure Buck.

    BUCK: Okay. So Clay just read something out right before you came on to add into all this which was all-time high in nationwide hospitalizations for covid. Now, we know that the hospitalization data is funky and has to be looked at to begin with. That’s been talked about openly recently. But the fact that it’s an all-time high is also a big indicator of something. What the heck is going on?

    BERENSON: Well, we are. It is a very confusing moment. There is an enormous amount of Omicron out there. It is not clear how understated the testing is right now, but it’s massively understated. So one place you can look is actually wastewater. Not to be too graphic about this, but covid is found in wastewater, and the amount of it rises as more and more people get infected. And one city that looks at this or one region, state that looks at this pretty hard is Massachusetts.

    And the Massachusetts wastewater data is off the charts. It is incredible how many people are infected with Omicron right now, and that makes the hospitalization data really hard to figure out in some ways because so many people are getting incidental diagnoses. If there were a really, really serious problem with Omicron, you’d see the hospitals be overrun. Not just the covid numbers going up but the hospital as a whole.

    And we’re not seeing that, right? What we’re seeing is that there are staffing shortages in hospitals and that some hospitals returned sort of temporary pressure, but we’re not seeing the idea that hospitals are collapsing. So that’s a good thing, right? It suggests that there’s a ton of Omicron out there but that the system is still functioning. But there’s other data that that’s also confusing. There’s just… There is a lot right now. We’re kind of in the middle of this unprecedented surge, and I think it’s gonna take a little while to go to the where we wind up.

    CLAY: There’s a bunch that we need to unpack, Alex. Thanks for joining us. But I want to start here. Did you see — I imagine you did — the Pfizer CEO come out and effectively say that there was no benefit whatsoever to the first and the second shot of the covid vaccine against Omicron? I think his quote was limited, if any, protection against Omicron.

    BUCK: Against infection.

    BERENSON: I did (chuckles), and in fact, I wrote a Substack about this which I published this morning because it’s fascinating what he said, okay? He actually said even more than that. He said that protection against the hospitalizations and the severe disease was, quote-unquote, “reasonable right now” if you’d had a third dose.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BERENSON: Okay? So he’s not saying it’s effective against hospitalizations and severe disease if you’ve had a third dose. He’s saying it’s “reasonable right now,” and then simultaneously — this is really fascinating — he said, “We need to see about a fourth dose.” So what’s he saying? He’s saying, “You know what? To the extent this protects you at all” and I’m talking about a third dose” it’s probably not gonna protect you for very long.”

    (cell drops)

    CLAY: Did we lose Alex there?

    BUCK: Oh no.

    CLAY: I think we might have lost him there for a minute.

    BUCK: Is this some kind of Fauci conspiracy? Is he (impression) “pulling him off the air”?

    CLAY: Are we gonna have to quiz the FBI like Ted Cruz did to find out whether they were involved in knocking our boy Alex off the air?

    BUCK: This is what happens when you question the science, Clay.

    CLAY: It might have been Pfizer. He’s laying out the Pfizer vaccine from the CEO and next thing you know we lose Alex. And, by the way, we should reiterate, for those people who are out there: A new covid hospitalization record has been set. We’ll get Alex back in a minute. You know that they’re running scared, Buck, because I talked to you about this off air. CNN reached out to me — we’ve got Alex back — to fact check some of my covid tweets.

    BUCK: You can tell CNN they can reach out to me on your behalf, and I have one finger to extend in their direction.

    CLAY: (laughing)

    BUCK: But, Alex, what’s going on?

    BERENSON: So, yeah. So the Pfizer CEO — and I don’t know where we got cut off — is saying, “Even a third dose doesn’t work very well. Two doses doesn’t work at all. But I’m not gonna promise you that you should get a fourth dose.” Now, why on earth would he say that? My suspicion is he’s saying that because he’s worried about the side effects of repeated dosing because there is now data — good data — out of the U.K. showing that the myocarditis side effects double with each dose in young men.

    And if that continues, at some point that’s gonna be obvious to everybody. There are other side effects that we’re concerned with that may also be dose dependent. So if you’re Albert Bourla, you made a lot of money selling the first and second dose. You made a lot of money selling the third dose. Now you have a drug, an antiviral, that seems to work pretty well — and you have a strain that seems less dangerous.

    So what you might want to do at this moment is try to pivot out of the vaccine business in a gentle way so that you don’t get gored by side effects. And it wouldn’t surprise me at all if you hear a lot more about this from Pfizer in the next few months. Now, the other vaccine companies are all-in on vaccines. They don’t have any other products, but Pfizer has lots of other products.

    BUCK: We’re speaking to Alex Berenson, author of Pandemia. Recommend you get this book while you can before they tell you, “You can’t read it!” They might ban it for being too accurate. Alex, the data right now — and we’ve been talking about it. You’ve been on with us; we were talking in July. You would say things, quite honestly, I’d say, “Ah, might get that one dinged on Facebook.” You’d say the vaccines don’t work very well.

    And at that point there were very few people willing to say that. And people can go back and check our work on this from July and August. You were very open about this. Certainly, in August you were very open about this. And here we are now with the Pfizer CEO being like, “They don’t work that well,” like the guy all of a sudden telling us what we’ve known for a long time. But the data on hospitalization, the CDC right now is…

    I can’t remember the exact number, but it’s effectively saying that vaccinated and boosted there’s almost no chance that you die from covid and a very, very, very small chance you’re getting hospitalized. But that doesn’t seem to track with what we’ve seen in other places. Are they playing games with full vaccination including booster versus just the two shots? How effective against hospitalization and death is this stuff really so far?

    BERENSON: That is a great question, and the answer is (laughs) they are playing. They are playing games, yes. The number one game they’re playing… So they make in adjustment to the data. They adjust by the age of the vaccinated person. And their defense against this is — or their reason, their stated reason for doing this is — “We know if you’re older, you’re much, much more likely to die from covid,” which is something, by the way, that they completely lied about for the first year but now they admit. Okay. You’re much, much more likely to die from covid if you are older. Being older and morbidly obese, those are your risk factors of death from covid.

    (cell drops)

    CLAY: Did we lose him again?

    BUCK: What is going on! The Fauci conspiracy continues, Clay.

    CLAY: Let’s go to break here, Buck. We’ll bring him back and ask a couple more questions of our boy Alex Berenson, assuming that he hasn’t been put inside of a hood and tossed into the back of a car.

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    CLAY: I believe we have with us right now Alex Berenson, unless Dr. Fauci has got him in the back of his car inside of the hood driving as fast as he can toward an offramp into the ocean.

    BUCK: (impression) “Berenson has the right to remain silent.”

    CLAY: Alex, by the way, I should mention this.

    BERENSON: Buck your CIA is showing.

    BUCK: Yeah. (laughing)

    CLAY: Yeah. I should mention this, by the way, that Pfizer clip — Buck and I were talking about this off the air. The Pfizer clip — and we may have talked about it on air too — that I mentioned where it says it offers limited protection, if any. They made a copyright claim, so the video is no longer up on Twitter. I just went to check and see, and they have pulled the CEO’s comments that the vaccine provides limited protection if any. So if that’s not shady, I don’t know what is.

    BERENSON: So, there’s always so much to talk about. I think this is a really, really crucial point, ’cause you always see these charts being put out about how protective the vaccines supposedly are, and you never see the raw data, okay, in the U.S. You cannot get a raw number on how many vaccinated people have died in the United States anymore — and that is a crazy, crazy fact. Okay, you just…

    The CDC and the state health authorities put out these charts that seem to show the vaccines are really protective. And what I’m telling you is, they are making an adjustment that makes that essentially untrue, okay? What they’re doing is they’re adjusting by age and saying, “Well, so many more people die. Lots of vaccinated people are dying, but they’re all really old.”

    But they’re not making a second adjustment that is even more important, and that is adjusting for the health status of the people or are or are not vaccinated, and what I am telling you — and this is very clear from the British data and places that are more honest about this — is that a lot of people who are not vaccinated and dying are extremely old, and they don’t get vaccinated because they can’t. They’re in hospice or they’re near hospice and they cannot be vaccinated. And those people bump-up the death number of the unvaccinated. And that is the number one lie, the number one way they lie with the data.

    CLAY: Alex…

    BERENSON: I keep saying this because it’s so crucial, and no one else will acknowledge it.

    CLAY: Alex, yesterday — I’m sure you read it — the Wall Street Journal had an incredible editorial that dealt with whether the covid vaccine mandate should be upheld by the Supreme Court. But buried inside of that article was a paragraph — and I know you’ve talked about this a little bit — that there are preliminary studies that suggest that the vaccinated are actually under more risk to get Omicron than the people who are unvaccinated. In other words, we may have a pandemic of the vaccinated as opposed to a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

    BERENSON: Yep.

    CLAY: What do you think about that data? Does it comport with what you had seen, and how much legitimacy are the early numbers to be given from your perspective?

    BERENSON: Yeah, no. I don’t want to pound my chest too much, but I actually think that the two guys who wrote that probably read my Substack (laughing) because the four papers they mentioned are four papers that I mentioned in a Substack article last week. So there’s data from Denmark and there’s data from the U.K., and it all points the same way. Actually, the Danish data is the worst. The Danish data says that you’re more than twice as likely to be infected with Omicron if you’re vaccinated more than 90 days prior. So that’s called negative efficacy. It means that the vaccine is driving infection.

    BUCK: Alex, how could that even theoretically be possible? Just so we understand, how could it be? That just feels like that defies belief. People hearing that, I’m hearing them saying, “Wait a second.”

    BERENSON: So the reason it’s possible is that the vaccine makes your body make a version of the spike protein, but that version of the spike protein is not the Omicron spike protein. The Omicron spike protein has mutated, and it looks a little bit different. So what that may mean is so then your body get exposed to Omicron, and it starts making a lot of antibodies, okay — a lot of different kinds of antibodies that hook up to that spike protein.

    But if they hook up in a way that doesn’t exactly fit exactly as well as the antibodies would have fit on the original spike protein, they can actually help the spike protein enter your cells, okay? The worst version of that is called antibody-dependent enhancement. And that can mean that you’re actually getting much more serious disease, okay. Right now, we don’t have evidence of that. But we do have evidence that there’s some version of this happening where your protection against infection is actually negative. This is not science fiction. This is a real risk that was discussed months ago before it happened.

    BUCK: Can we say for a second, Clay, imagine the implications of what that would mean: A forced mass vaccination campaign that might have made — might and possibly, we are couching all this — some people are more susceptible to infection. Not necessarily severe disease but infection.

    CLAY: Which we might happen know about fully, Buck, for years, right? Because if this is true, it’s going to be something that they try to cover up to the best of their ability for years and years to come, certainly as long as Biden is in office.

    BUCK: And it’s amazing to watch all this continue to unfold, and there’s still not really a particularly honest discussion about this. Alex, I want to ask you… I know we’ve only got a couple more minutes with you and you’re having some comms issues here on the line. But Fauci today was testifying, Walensky was testifying. Fauci was literally pulling his mask up and down depending on whether he’s answering or listening.

    BERENSON: (laughing)

    BUCK: Walensky is double masked up there. She’s triple vaxxed and double masked, and she’s alone speaking to the Senate. These people look like utter morons to anyone who can think for themselves, and I’m seeing now that the CDC is under serious consideration to mandate N95 masks, which is crazy — and, by the way, we know Germany did it and it did nothing. But what the heck is going on?

    BERENSON: (laughing) Look, they’re like Inspector Gadget now. They’re just like slamming the control panel. It’s all a cartoon. Okay, I walk around in New York City, in New York state with no mask on anywhere and nobody says a word to me. Okay? You go down to Florida, it’s over. All we can hope is that Omicron, the people who are infected with it, do develop sort of long-term immunity to future variants whether or not they’ve been vaccinated.

    Hopefully that will be the case. And if that’s the case, it doesn’t matter what they say. And especially if the vaccine companies and Pfizer — which is the most powerful of all — are concerned enough about sort of the risk of future shock that they don’t push them. This will all come to a crashing halt any number of months.

    CLAY: Where do we go in the next month? That’s the question I think a lot of people have, Alex.

    BERENSON: Well, yeah. So I gave you the best-case scenario.

    CLAY: Yep.

    BERENSON: The worst-case scenario is that the vaccines actually do interfere with development of natural immunity and that politically Biden and these idiots in the public health authorities will not let go. So I don’t know which way we go. But there definitely is an optimistic scenario here where Omicron is the end of this.

    BUCK: I certainly hope so. Alex, where can people go to continue to support your work, read what you’ve been doing, and we do encourage everybody, go back to ClayandBuck.com in our transcripts. Go listen to what Alex was saying back in at least August if not July about this. But, Alex, where should folks go?

    BERENSON: Yeah, go to Substack. You can sign up for free. You can pay but basically get the same product. I’m not in this for money. I’m in this to get as many people reading and getting to the truth as possible. And Pandemia is available on Amazon, on B&N.com. The book came out at the end of November. It was a best-seller, even though the only people who would talk about it are you guys and Tucker and Laura. But I do think the truth is getting out there. I think there are a lot of people out there who have gotten sick after being vaccinated and have seen their family members get this, and it’s pretty hard to trust that the vaccines work when you see for yourself that they don’t work. So, yeah, Substack or the book is called Pandemia.

    CLAY: Outstanding stuff from Alex Berenson. Thanks to him, as always.

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