Clay Talks to Hannity About His Covid Case, Left’s Attacks

14 Jan 2022

Clay didn’t let a little Omicron stop him from talking to Hannity about the left’s unrelenting attacks on the unvaccinated in the face of all facts, reason and sanity.

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Sinema Sinks Biden Bid to Kill the Filibuster

13 Jan 2022

CLAY: Some breaking news on the Senate floor. We’ll probably have some cuts for you before the show is done. Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema went down and announced that she will not support any changes to the filibuster. So this whole story, Buck — Joe Biden going to Atlanta and trying to equate people who oppose filibuster changes to Jefferson Davis and George Wallace?

All of the focus of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on, “Hey, we’re gonna have a decision rendered before MLK Day”? This just looks utterly incompetent. What am I missing here? Did they really think that Sinema and Manchin were gonna buckle on this, and because Joe Biden called them out and essentially called them racist in a Tuesday speech, that the Democrats were gonna the change their mind, that pressure was gonna build on them?

It just looks even more incompetent because we already had Build Back Better collapse, and now from Joe Biden’s own party! Republicans, we already knew, were united against the idea of changing the filibuster here. I can’t even… I try to look at politics as a chessboard and figure out, “Okay, this move is being made to try to gain this advantage.” I can’t even figure out what in the world the Democrats are doing with this week’s focus. It’s nonsensical.

BUCK: Some of the gray beards I knew in the intelligence community, Clay, would always tell us young guns coming up, “Don’t underestimate your opponents, but don’t overestimate them, either.” At some level, remember, Democrats think that some kind of action, some kind of agitation that they can talk about in public of what they’re doing and what they’re trying to do is better than actually focusing on problems that require real thought and expertise and bringing it all together and having a result that the people can actually see and look at.

So they like this kind of histrionics. “Oh, we need to break the filibuster and anything for voting rights” because — as you say, as you’re pointing out — it’s not going anywhere. So what are they doing? What it does is it says, “See? We tried” in quotes. “We ‘tried’ to get this through. Republicans are racist!” It turns into a narrative point instead of an actual legislative one, and I think that’s where all this goes. That’s what drives all the noise we’ve had in the last few days.

CLAY: But I would understand that a little bit more if Republicans had control of the Senate and 51 Republicans were standing against this. But when the member of your own party comes out and says this — because, remember, in theory Democrats could do this with 50 votes and Kamala Harris breaking the tie. When you make a big show of how racist the Republican Party is and then a member of your own party takes the Senate floor and officially announces that your call for changing things for this voting bills under a simple majority, it looks even worse.

BUCK: But this is why Bernie has this very dishonest formulation. It’s not just Bernie Sanders. There are a lot of media platforms with Democrat — New York Times, et cetera, et cetera — stuff where they’re saying, “One senator shouldn’t be able to stand in the way of things.” This is why they come up with that dishonest formulation because, you’re right. It doesn’t make sense. But let’s turn to the not underestimating our opponents. They don’t care that it doesn’t make sense. They’re gonna tell people the nonsensical and they’ll mouth the preferred slogans like the marionettes they are.

CLAY: And so the big question becomes — and we’ll talk to Senator Josh Hawley about this at 2 o’clock Eastern on the show. The big question I think you have to have at this point: Where does Biden go from here? Because he’s going to lose his House majority in November, right? That would be a stunning upset if Democrats maintain control of the House. So that’s gone, which means really he won’t be able to pass any legislation.

Other than what I laid out yesterday, Buck, which is Stephen Breyer steps down in the summer after they release all of their opinions and then the Democrats go ahead and nominate a black woman and try to have a fight over the nomination in the fall. But they, of course, would be able to do that because they have the votes to get somebody through. I just really don’t see any sort of activity that is going to happen this year now for the Biden regime.

BUCK: Well, it’s a lot. We’ll see how they play the hand that they have, and we don’t expect them to be honest or fair in what they do.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

SINEMA: These bills help treat the symptoms of the disease, but they did not fully address the disease itself, and while I continue to support these bills, I do not support separate actions that worsen the underlying disease of division infecting our country. The debate over the Senate 60-vote threshold shines a light on our broader challenges.

There’s no need for me to restate any long-standing support for the 60-vote threshold to pass legislation. There’s no need for me to restate its role protecting our country from wild reversals in federal policy. It is a view I’ve held during my years serving in both the U.S. House and the Senate, and it is a view I continue to hold.

BUCK: Senator Sinema essentially saying that she is consistent and that there is a principle here. And the Democrats hate her for that right now, of course, ’cause there’s not supposed to be any principles when you’re talking about the Democrat Party. Commies don’t recognize principle. They recognize power. So what is this? It doesn’t matter that Chuck Schumer and others have given speeches in vociferous defense of the filibuster. In fact, here is Senator Tom Cotton delivering his favorite pro-filibuster in the Senate speech formerly given by Chuck Schumer.

COTTON: “The ideologues in the Senate want to turn what the Founding Fathers calls ‘the cooling saucer of democracy’ into a rubberstamp of dictatorship that will make this country by a banana republic where if you don’t get your way, you can change the rules. Are we going to let them? It will be a doomsday for democracy if we do!” Those are powerful words, but they’re not mine. Every word of my speech today was originally spoken by our esteemed colleague, the senior senator from New York, Chuck Schumer — words that are as true today as they were when he spoke them, even if Senator Schumer is singing a different tune today.

BUCK: Is there even a debate here, Clay, really? Come on.

CLAY: No. Look, first of all, I think we need to give credit to Kyrsten Sinema and to Joe Manchin, because both of those senators have done what they think is right for principle as opposed to party. So what’s interesting to me, Buck, about this timing is, Joe Biden’s eating lunch with the Senate Democrats right now. So Kyrsten Sinema specifically chose to go give this speech right before Biden came to Capitol Hill. Joe Manchin, by the way, has praised it.

There’s been talk that Mark Kelly in Arizona, that Shaheen in New Hampshire, and Baucus in Montana are also Democrats who are opposed to this bill as well but have not felt the need to speak out because if there’s not 50 votes, then they don’t necessarily have to take a strong stand like Sinema has. But this to me feels a little bit like sticking a middle finger in the direction of Joe Biden for Sinema to decide to make this speech right before he arrives on Capitol Hill for lunch.

I guedss you can argue it either way. If she watches him make his pitch to everybody and then goes and gives the speech after lunch, is it more of an insult? I think what’s clear here is Joe Biden wildly miscalculated in his Tuesday speech when he tried to equate everyone who didn’t support changing filibuster rules here to being Jefferson Davis or George Wallace. And there are a lot of people — certainly Republicans, but even many Democrats — who felt like his language was so charged that it actually made any success less likely instead of more so.

BUCK: Like I’ve always said, Joe Biden is not some super-nice guy. People who actually know his career know that. It’s all a fraud.

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Fauci Says Omicron Will Find Everyone — And It Found Clay

13 Jan 2022

BUCK: They’re doubling down on everything. This is no longer about Democrat vs. Republican, Left vs. Right so much as it is Sane vs. Insane, Clay. That’s what we are up against right now: People who are seemingly suffering from some sort of mass anxiety disorder. Remember, they get very touchy about the usage of some of the terms now about mass anxiety or about a mass mental illness of some kind. Mass Formation Psychosis is what they really hate you to say.

They’ve got now vaccine and mask mandates — just for a quick overview, folks — going into effect in or already in effect in of course New York, Boston, D.C. — yeah, that’s right, vaccine passport — Minneapolis. I believe, now if your 5-year-old isn’t vaxxed, he can’t go into a restaurant. Los Angeles, San Francisco, you have all these other cities., I can’t even keep track of all this all across the country. Meanwhile, you’ve got cases still exploding. You’ve even got Fauci out there saying that everybody essentially is gonna get hit by Omicron at some point.

FAUCI: I think in many respects, Omicron — with its extraordinary unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility — will ultimately find just about everybody.

BUCK: Ultimately find everybody, including our main man, Clay. How’s it going over there, buddy? How you feeling?

CLAY: Yeah, yesterday people may have heard me coughing and sneezing some during the course of the show. I had to point… People don’t see behind the scenes, but a couple of times I had a coughing fit and I had to point to you.

BUCK: It was like Stockton to Malone. We put it away right away.

CLAY: Yeah, yeah. To pick back up. So I tested yesterday positive for Omicron. Some people say, “Well, why did you decide to test?” The answer is I never got tested when I had the Alpha version back in November of 2020 of covid, and I wanted to make sure if I was talking to people, that this time I knew I 100% had it. So I went yesterday; tested positive.

It feels to me like a low-rate cold. I’ve been honest with people. I haven’t gotten vaccinated. I had the Alpha version. Now I’ve got the Omicron version, and I don’t really… I’m having a normal workday. I work, people may or may not know this, but I have a home studio for television, radio, writing. I had that before covid so that’s the way that I work.

So, I’m not really around anyone other than my family. I’m hanging out down in the bedroom on my own and then up here doing the show. So, everybody else in the household has zero issues, and I don’t really… People are always like, “Where did you get it?” I don’t really know. We talked about off air yesterday during the show. I went over and watched on Monday night the Georgia-Alabama game with some friends, and one of the kids that was at that event tested positive.

So, I told you guys off the air, and you were like, “Well, you should go get tested. You probably definitely have it if that kid had it at the party you were at,” and so, yeah, I tested positive. I think by tomorrow, I’ll be back to 100%. I feel almost 100% today. I had a lot of good sleep. I probably need more sleep than I get anyway, and so I’ve just been drinking fluids.

I’m not taking really anything other than drinking fluids and trying to get some rest, and, for what we do, I worry about whether I might lose my voice. We’ve talked about this before. We’ve got kind of a unique job where we make a living based on being able to talk. But, knock on wood, so far it doesn’t seem… I might sound a little bit different to people because, again, I feel like I’ve got a low-range cold. But, Buck, in November people were listening to us and that was one of the worst colds I’ve ever had.

BUCK: We both got wrecked. We weren’t even in the same city, so it wasn’t likely to be, you know, the same strain of virus, not like we were right next to each other. We both got wrecked with upper-respiratory infection. But I just want to be clear. It’s apparently our fault — in fact, it’s everybody’s fault, if you listen to Democrats. It’s Clay’s fault, it’s my fault, it’s everyone’s fault if they catch what may be the most infectious upper-respiratory pathogen we’ve ever known, right?

It’s up there. It’s up there with measles. It’s up there with things that… If you’re in a room with somebody for 15 immunities without immunity you’re probably gonna get it. Had to be close to that, right? It’s your fault Biden says because you haven’t done enough of the useless crap they’ve been mandating like masking up between bites and putting up plexiglass. So now it’s more testing, better masks and more and more and more shots of course. Here he is just from this morning trying to tell everybody (angry muttering impression). I don’t even know what he’s saying. One.

BIDEN: (husky whisper) Now, I don’t like tuh… (sputtering) Uh… (pause) Uhhh. Y’know, uh (frustrated sigh) outline the next steps we’re takin’ against, uh… (sputters) I — I — I like tuh outline the next steps we’re takin’ against oval… (sputters) Uh, the, uh, the Omicron variant. Vaccinations are obviously the most important thing we’re doing, but they’re — but they’re not the only important thing. First, masking. Masking! You are –there — there — (sputtering) There are a lot, y’uknow, (frustrated sputtering), lots of different kinds of masks out there, and the Center for — and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, says that wearing a well-fitting mask of — of — of any of them is certainly better than not wearing a mask, if it’s well fitting (unintelligible) over your nose.

CLAY: Oh my God.

BUCK: Okay. This guy really does need to have the grandkids take him out, put a blanket across his knees and let him feed squirrels.

CLAY: It’s embarrassing. It is so bad.

BUCK: It’s getting weird. It has been weird for a long time. But, Clay, here’s one of the problems they have. We weren’t allowed to question the effectiveness of masks, right? Well, then if that’s the case, if masks are great, if any cloth mask — if your Kamala-Biden 2024 balaclava or gator or whatever it is — is great at stopping virus, why is it that this year they’re telling us we need better masks? In fact, they’re gonna send N95 masks as part of this policy now to people who want them. That’s an admission that what we had been doing was not very effective, but they won’t say it.

CLAY: Buck, listening to Biden talk there, I just want to emphasize to everyone, he’s reading off a teleprompter, and he still sounds like that. He’s not even attempting… They would be terrified to put Biden out there without ability to read directly off of the screen. So when he sounds that bad, he’s that bad just reading what’s in front of him. But Buck, the altering — and he continues to say it — that we have a pandemic of the unvaccinated is just not true.

And building on the clip that we played of Dr. Fauci earlier, if everyone is going to get covid — that’s basically what Fauci said in that clip that we played. You’re gonna get the Omicron version. He may not know that you have it, you may not even be symptomatic in any way, okay? But if you’re going to get it, how is there an argument for a vaccine mandate anymore? B

ecause what they used argue on behalf of the vaccine mandate was, if you didn’t get it, then you would help to spread the virus to others. But if you’re now saying that everyone is going to get it, the risk to the unvaccinated, like me, is entirely borne by me, right? If everybody’s going to get it, I’m not getting your grandma sick. Your grandma’s gonna get sick ’cause everybody else is gonna get sick too.

And so this whole argument that you have to be vaccinated area continue to say isn’t true. Look. Is it better if you’re older, as we’ve been saying for a long time and you are vaccinated because of your risk factors? Yes. But it’s also better if you’re not obese. It’s also better if you don’t smoke. The risk factors of not getting vaccinated now are entirely borne by the unvaccinated. There’s no argument to support a vaccine mandate at all.

BUCK: What they’ll say, I think… ‘Cause people that are being honest about this — and in Denmark — not that I can read Danish, but I saw reporting on this — one of the largest newspapers there has apologized to its readership saying, “We should have asked more questions” about their version of Fauciism. “We should have pushed back on power,” which in this country’s corporate media, by and large… There’s some exceptions. We’re here doing a show, obviously, that millions of people listen to.

There are other shows out there and Fox and other places where people can speak the truth or can at least engage in debate. But there’s been a betrayal, a betrayal of the fundamental role in a free society not just the government against the people but for those who are supposed to be bringing information and accountability into the public conversation, we’ve seen an abject failure. It’s disgusting what the Democrat-aligned corporate media has done in this country on the issue of Fauciism, covid, masking. They just right now are in this panic mode where it’s, okay, now they have to sell doubling down on failed policies that everybody can see have failed.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: It is not possible to look at what has gone on in the last 60 days and say Fauci and the rest and Walensky got it right. They knew what was coming. By the way, to your point about ending the vaccine mandate, Walensky, the CDC chief, shared information. I’ll make sure I get this right, ’cause if I get it wrong, obviously, Media Matters is gonna say I’m a fascist who’s going around murdering everyone’s grandparents. But Walensky, Clay, shared the latest data out of a study. Here you go. Omicron variant: 56% less risk of hospitalization from symptoms, 74% less risk of ICU admission, 91% less risk of death.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: What are we doing? Why are they telling us now, “You need to mask up harder! You need to social distance harder!” These people have a mental disorder.

CLAY: You’re right. And the honest answer here of what we need to be doing is for a long time remember how mad they got at the idea, if you compared in any way covid to the flu? Well, with the Omicron variant, I think very much comparing it to the flu and saying it’s not as bad. And I could say that now having the virus right now, I would much rather have this Omicron, what I’ve got right now, than many versions of the flu that I’ve had over the 25 years.

You know, when you have the flu, there’s that moment in time for everybody out there where you feel like you’re legitimately going to die, right? If you have a bad flu, you’re laying there, you’re nauseous, you’re like, this is so bad, you feel like death incarnate. At no point — having had covid twice — have I ever remotely felt as bad as when I had a seasonal flu.

BUCK: And can I just say, Germany did the whole N95 mandate thing a year ago — and guess what, everybody? Didn’t change a damn thing. We have run these experiments, and the people in charge now cannot admit that they are wrong, cannot admit they can’t control this, and so what are they doing? Double down. Doesn’t matter, Clay. Doesn’t matter what the results actually are.

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Sen. Josh Hawley Covers It All with Clay and Buck

13 Jan 2022

BUCK: We are now joined by Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. Got a lot to talk about. Senator Hawley, appreciate you coming back to hang out with us. Thanks so much, sir.

SEN. HAWLEY: Thanks for having me.

BUCK: I want to start with this, because we’ve got a lot of things to get to today in the news cycle. We’ve obviously got doubling down on the covid mandates that don’t seem to work very well, as well as the inflation and everything else. But I wanted to start with you pushing for an end — this might seem a little inside baseball to folks or inside the Beltway to folks, but an end — to members of Congress actively trading stocks. Why is that a problem, first, for everyone to know? Give us that scope and scale, and then what should be done about it?

SEN. HAWLEY: Well, all you have to know about why it’s a problem is the fact that Nancy Pelosi’s absolutely desperately for stock trading. So… (chuckles) She’s rich, of course, and she wants to continue to be able to trade individual stocks, which she and her husband do frequently and make millions of dollars on it, and the problem with it is that members of Congress are often privy to information about what policies are coming down the pike, about what the effect of legislation might be.

This is stuff that’s not necessarily insider trading. I’m not alleging that people committed any crimes here, although folks have been investigated for that in the past. But here’s my bottom line. I think that when people go to Congress, they ought to be focused on doing what the voters sent them there to do and not be distracted by trying to pad their own pockets.

And I think one of the easiest ways to do that is just say to members of Congress, “You can’t own individual stocks. If you want to invest, fine, do what most Americans do, put your money in future funds. If you don’t want to do that, put it in a blind trust.” But having individual stocks, trading on them I think is just an open invitation to abuse — and just look at Pelosi, and there’s the case.

CLAY: Senator Hawley, I appreciate you joining us. We just had Kyrsten Sinema take the Senate floor and announce her continued opposition to changing the filibuster rules. I believe right now Biden is talking to the Senate Democrats in a luncheon. You’re good at trying to look at strategy. I was talking about looking at it as a chessboard. Biden’s speech on Tuesday is going up in flames here on Thursday by members of his own party not supporting him. What in the world is going on here? What am I missing other than this was a clearly harebrained scheme that has not actually had any chance of success. But to have his own party shoot it down, how is it playing on Capitol Hill?

SEN. HAWLEY: Well, I think the real clear key here, Clay, this is a guy, Joe Biden, who has 33% support from the American public, and that tells you all you need to know.

CLAY: Yep.

SEN. HAWLEY: You have Kyrsten Sinema on the floor distancing herself from him, Joe Manchin has said he’s not gonna go along with this scheme. Number one, what they want to do is unpopular. What they want to do is take control of all elections and centralize it in Washington, D.C. In my state, Missouri, that would mean canceling our voter ID law, by the way, which is wildly popular and the voters of Missouri themselves approved directly.

The Democrats want to take that away. They want to take away control of how to set the rules for absentee ballots and all the rest. People don’t want that, and you add to it that Biden himself is just radioactive because he’s so desperately unpopular. So, I think that’s the key thing and (chuckles) Sinema and Manchin, they actually listen to voters, and their voters are telling them, “We don’t like this guy, we don’t like his agenda,” and so they’re looking for the exits.

BUCK: Speaking to Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. Senator, is there going to be a Biden legislative agenda, so to speak, this year, or are you expecting — given what we’ve seen so far from Senators Sinema and Manchin — it’s essentially gonna be gridlock, right? This is just gonna continue on. We’ll hear a lot of talk about the insurrection and racism and voter suppression, but nothing’s actually gonna get done by the Democrats in Congress, and the Biden administration’s gonna go into the midterms without a whole lot to show for the first two years, or do you think they may actually pull something off and what would that be?

SEN. HAWLEY: I’d be surprised if they were able to get much done and again when you’ve got a president who’s as unpopular as this president is — and, you know, who basically told the whole country on Tuesday that we’re all insurrectionists now. That was his message, that if you are not in favor of giving Joe Biden control over reelections in your state (laughing) then you’re an insurrectionist. “You’re a domestic enemy,” I believe he said.

I mean, that’s just insane — really just totally insane. So I think that we’re looking at a year here where the Democrats do a lot of finger pointing, they do a lot of yelling, they do a lot of yelling at the American people — you know, and keep call the American people names and see how that works out for him. But I just don’t think they’re gonna get much accomplished ’cause they are so unpopular.

And I can tell you for my part, I certainly am not just gonna lay down and let them take over federal elections, let them keep spending our money that’s driving up inflation, let them continue to drive the working people of this country into the ground. I mean, it’s really… What they’re trying to do is nuts, and people don’t want it.

CLAY: Senator Hawley, we were hoping we might get a ruling from the Supreme Court on the Biden vaccine mandate. I’m sure you paid attention to the oral arguments. You’re very well skilled in terms of analyzing the Supreme Court in general. What do you expect the Supreme Court to do, and what do you think they should do with the Biden vaccine mandates that they argued about on Friday of last week?

SEN. HAWLEY: Well, they should strike it down. I think there’s absolutely no legal basis for it, Clay. This is not authorized by Congress. I’m not sure Congress could authorize it if it wanted to. I’m not sure that there’s a constitutional basis. But whatever, Congress has not authorized it and the president doesn’t get to just make up laws in our system of government — at least didn’t used to be able to.

What is the court gonna do is a little different question. But I have to say, listening to the argument — and I always have to say as somebody who I’ve worked at that court; I’ve litigated at that court. Predicting that court is tough business. But just counting votes from listening to the argument, I thought I counted six who sounded awfully darn skeptical about the Biden mandate, the vaccine mandate.

And so if I had to guess, I’d guess the court would strike it down. I think that is the right thing. When will they do it? Any day. Any day. This is argued on an emergency basis, and the clock is ticking. Obviously, individuals, privately citizens need to know, employers need to know. So I’d expect to hear from them imminently.

CLAY: I talked about this on the show Friday right after we listened to the arguments and I know you have worked at the Supreme Court so this is gonna, I would imagine, have really upset you as well. Regardless of what somebody like Sonia Sotomayor may believe about the vaccine mandate — we can have a nuanced legal argument about the constitutionality of the provision, I agree with you; I think it should be struck down.

But for her to get her facts so wrong, for Stephen Breyer to do the same, and, frankly, for Elena Kagan to do as well, how much did that upset you, and how do you think that happened? Because I believe you’ve been a Supreme Court clerk. And the thing you’d want to make sure, I would imagine, is that your justice gets the facts right because if you don’t get the facts right your opinion is going to be flawed. How disappointed were you in the way that those facts were spread so inaccurately by Supreme Court justices?

SEN. HAWLEY: I was surprised. I’ll tell you the truth: I was really surprised, because the numbers and the so-called facts that you heard coming out of some of their mouths was really more akin to propaganda. A hundred thousand kids on ventilators or whatever it was that one of the justices said. I think it was Sotomayor. That’s just wildly, radically wrong. So it’s unfortunate to see the sort of left-wing propaganda and really like far left, crazy, conspiratorial left.

You see that being talked about and used by justices in Supreme Court arguments. That’s really, really worrisome. I’ll just say, though, while we’re on the subject of covid, if you want to talk about these high case counts — and they’re high right now all over the country; they’re high in my home state of Missouri — and guess who’s fault that is in terms of just being prepared or unprepared? Joe Biden!

Who didn’t order additional testing when he had the ability? Who has been totally derelict in his duty this whole last year to develop new treatments for covid? Joe Biden has been. This administration has done a terrible job. So I tell you, if you want to talk about high covid case numbers, just look at this administration and their total failure this year to do anything that would actually help Americans through this crisis.

BUCK: Senator Josh Hawley, Missouri, before we let you go, there’s breaking news out right now that a leader of the Oath Keepers group has been arrested in connection with the January 6th investigation. I’m not even sure if you had a chance to see this story or see any of the details. But are we essentially gonna hear about the so-called insurrection every day from now until the midterms? Is this going to be a focal point of the Democrats’ pitch to make sure that even though they failed in every agenda in every way, they should still somehow keep power? What are your expectations?

SEN. HAWLEY: I think that is exactly what’s gonna happen. You know, and I think that the Democrats, they don’t have anything to offer the American people other than this agenda that’s hugely and radically unpopular, and so they’re gonna try to change the subject. January 6 of last year became their effort, their excuse, their rationale for trying to govern in a constant state of emergency and a state of fear. It is what has led them to treat parents as domestic terrorists.

It is what has led them to true the unvaccinated as if they are somehow second class citizens and deserve to die, which is essentially what the president of the United States is saying. It is the way they tried to govern by fear and repression and it’s use of the levers of the state, of state power against their political opponents — against ordinary parents — is crazy.

And they root so much of that in their narrative of January 6. Let me just say as you guys before people who commit crimes on that day ought to be prosecuted and go to jail — and that’s true for rioters, wherever they are, at the Capitol, at courthouses. I don’t care where they are. So you commit a crime you ought to go to jail for it. But that’s not what the left is saying. They’re out there saying, “Oh, boy, this is our excuse to treat half this country as insurrectionists and to try to suppress these we don’t like and to try to get our way permanently in Washington,” and I just think that’s wrong.

CLAY: Senator Hawley, the playoffs start this weekend and my Tennessee Titans are the number one seed in the AFC knocking your Chiefs down to number 2.

SEN. HAWLEY: Yeah.

CLAY: You got Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers. How nervous are you about not being the one seed for a change?

SEN. HAWLEY: (laughing) Yeah, we got robbed. That’s just the truth, Clay. You know it’s true. Congrats to the Titans. That’s great. Listen, I think we’re in great position. It’s great to be playing at home obviously this coming Sunday. I think the Steelers — not to take anything away from the Steelers, but I think– that’s a good matchup for us and we had a great outing against the Steelers just a few weeks ago.

I think it was 36-10 was our score then, and I think that we’re in really good position here and really, the Chiefs have really come down the stretch strong. I mean, 9-1 to finish the season. That’s pretty darn good. That game in Cincinnati was an interesting one, especially in the final few minutes. We can talk about that if you want. I have a a lot of thoughts about the officiating. But, in any event, I really feel like we’re in a good position and I like my Chiefs.

BUCK: Senator Josh Hawley.

CLAY: The AFC championship. Buck, you’re gonna be fired up, too, right?

BUCK: As soon as I find out what these teams are and what’s going on —

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Absolutely, Clay, very fired up.

SEN. HAWLEY: (laughing)

BUCK: Senator Hawley, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it.

SEN. HAWLEY: Hey, thanks for having me, guys.

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Big Win! SCOTUS Blocks Biden’s Business Vax Mandate

13 Jan 2022

BUCK: Breaking news, friends: The Supreme Court has blocked the Biden administration vaccine rule for large businesses. The stay is in place, but it is allowing the mandate for some health care workers. Again, this is a big victory — at least in the short term — for those who felt the OSHA mandate of over a hundred employees and you have to get the shot or get tested is unconstitutional, excessive, way beyond the scope of what OSHA is supposed to be able to do by statutory authority as an administrative agency.

And, Clay, this is a big one. And what this tells you is, at least as of right now… Now, it’s not ruling on the merits, right? So, we’ll get into this in a second. It’s not saying that it is clearly unconstitutional, right? But it is saying that for right now, unless I’m missing something — we’re getting this — this just broke in about the last three minutes we’re seeing this, folks. It seems that right now the stay is in place, and that is where we are, Clay. This is what you predicted, I predicted. It’s what we wanted. It’s also not over. What do you think are the immediate implications?

CLAY: It’s funny ’cause we just had Senator Josh Hawley on, if you were listening, and I said, “Hey, you know, trying to analyze based on the questions what do you anticipate occurring?” and again, this just came down a few minutes ago so I haven’t had time to read the actual Supreme Court opinion. But by a 6-3 majority opinion — that is the six “conservative,” in quotation marks, justices — have all said that the federal government cannot put in place the mandate as it pertains to 84 million people out there under OSHA.

They did, however, allow it for workers at federally funded health care facilities to take effect. That was the two-part discussion they were having. But this is basically exactly what I expected to happen on the big vaccine mandate for Joe Biden. I believed it was unconstitutional. Based on the questions as we talked about on Friday, Buck, it was quite clear that Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan not only had a very — I would say — inaccurate view of the basic facts of covid in the country, but based on the way that they provided questions, it was clear that weren’t going to support Biden’s ability to do this under the OSHA regulatory state.

I believe that that was significant. Again, I haven’t had time to read the opinion. You’ll be able to see it shortly; I can see that it’s up now for everybody to be able to read at SupremeCourt.gov. We talked about this earlier in the week that we thought that there was a decent chance this ruling may come down on Thursday. They did not put it out at 10 a.m. Eastern which we thought they might earlier today, but again, it just came down in the last couple of minutes. I think it’s a monster win for civil liberties.

BUCK: It’s a stay, though. It’s not over, everybody, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So they’re still going to rule on the merits eventually. As I read this right now, it says, “Many states, businesses…” I’m looking at the opinion right now. “National Federation of Independent Business v. OSHA,” and it says, “The Fifth Circuit initially entered a stay. When the cases were consolidated before the Sixth Circuit that court lifted the stay and allowed OSHA’s rules to take effect.

“Applicants now seek emergency relief from this court arguing that OSHA’s mandate exceeds its statutory authority and is otherwise unlawful. Agreeing that applicants are likely to prevail, we grant their politicians and stay the rule.” Now, I think everyone, Clay, based on the way this goes down, based on the reality what the judges… The stay is effectively going to be, most likely, the same rundown as the final decision.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s technically not final in that sense, but it is a huge win. For people in a felt that this was unconstitutional and overreach ’cause, by the way, think about where we’re gonna be in June area actually look at this. Oh, there’s gonna be more pressure and urgency then? I don’t think so.

CLAY: No, it’s a monster win, and you talk about a double body blow to Joe Biden? You’re talking about in the space of the time that we’ve been on the air today, Buck, you had a senator from his own party, Kyrsten Sinema, take to the floor and specifically reject Biden’s demand from Tuesday that the filibuster rules be changed in the Senate.

And then while he’s having a press conference at the Capitol Hill discussing the luncheon that he went to with the Senate Democrats, the Supreme Court drops this result which effectively — to your point, effectively — is a repudiation of the executive branch’s power under OSHA to be able to mandate this vaccine requirement. So for many people out there listening…

People who are listening to us and they’re saying, “Okay, what does this mean?” It means if you are employed — as two-thirds of people are — at an employer with a hundred or more employees and your place of work has been saying, “You have to get this vaccine because of Joe Biden’s OSHA mandate,” that does not apply. So your employer can still try and make requirements as it pertains to the vaccine, but they cannot cite it as justified based on Joe Biden.

BUCK: That will be interesting to see as well how some of the states respond, because part of the argument here, the oral arguments — and it seemed as though Sotomayor didn’t understand this difference, to be totally honest with you, between the plenary powers of states/police powers of states versus what the federal government has. You may still have states…

I’m thinking about this, of course, ’cause I’m in New York. Enjoy your freedom, Mr. Travis. Tennessee is gonna be a different situation. But in New York, they still have in place the New York State demands and mandates that this will not in any way relieve people from, which is why state-level protection is so important. By the way, you have in states like Florida and Texas — I don’t know, do they have this in Tennessee too? — you are not allowed to mandate as a condition of employment the vaccine.

CLAY: Yes. That’s right.

BUCK: So some states and some governors decided that they were actually gonna protect people from that tyranny inside their own state at the state level, and that, I think, should be something that we remember here, too, because it’s not over, right? None of this is over, but this is a big win, is the headline, against the unconstitutional OSHA mandate from Biden.

CLAY: And that’s a good point by you ’cause it’s very confusing for lots of people out there. The Supreme Court has been far more likely to allow local and statewide regulations as it pertains to covid. And, in fact, if you go back and look at historical precedent, a lot of people were saying on the left wing, “Well, there’s no way the court can strike down Joe Biden’s OSHA mandate, because some hundred years ago or so they allowed in Jacobson a local requirement of a vaccine to be upheld.”

What the Supreme Court is saying — and has said with a pretty clear voice, even as you point out that Sonia Sotomayor may not understand the difference — is, cities and states have local power to make decisions for their constituents. But the federal government cannot come in and put in place this ruling, certainly not under OSHA. And if you heard Josh Hawley, he actually made a good point.

We don’t have that issue at play right now, but could they do it through legislature? He didn’t think that would be constitutional, either, but certainly you can’t do it through the executive branch. This is also I think why it’s significant that 52 Senators voted against Biden’s vaccine mandate if you remember, Buck, including a couple of senators who were Democrats that turned their back on Biden there. I do think that was still significant as well, because it demonstrated the legislative branch did not agree with the executive branch.

BUCK: It really is. I made this point, this simplification of all this I think a couple weeks ago we talked about it, Clay. Could OSHA say that because of the rising crime, everybody has to have an AR-15 by the cash register ready to go just in case someone tries an armed robber? Under the expansive Biden regime point of view, the answer to that would actually be…

Of course they would never want to do that but the answer to that would be they would have the authority, right? It’s about health. It’s about safety. They can make you do whatever they want. That was rejected here. Of course, it went down along the lines we thought it would — which justices were in favor, which justices were opposed — so it is very unlikely now that you’re gonna be able to get at the federal level.

It also I think adds into the conversation here, Clay, and when we talk about the unconstitutionality of these Biden mandates and we talk about overreach and tyranny, we’re not exaggerating ’cause we’re trying to get people’s attention. We’re not just saying it ’cause we don’t like Biden. It’s the truth. That is what is happening here. What they are doing is violence to the Constitution. They are undermining the rule of law. They are overreaching and acting like tyrants. This is a huge blow for freedom and against tyranny today so everyone should get a little bit extra pep in their step. What do you say?

CLAY: I think also, maybe we can give a little bit of a nod to Donald Trump, because if Hillary Clinton had got to make these three Supreme Court appointments, guess what they would have said? Biden would have had the power to institute a federal vaccine mandate. I think if Hillary Clinton had gotten three Supreme Court nominees on the court instead of Donald Trump, I think this thing would have been upheld.

BUCK: And let’s just remind everybody, had that happened — and Clay is absolutely right — Texans, Floridians, Tennesseans, 80-plus employees? You’d be forced to get the vax too. Those were the stakes here. It was gonna be federal, top down, for everybody. So huge win.

CLAY: Monster. I’m pretty pumped, Buck. I was afraid. When we did our analysis on Friday, I was so disappointed by how bad the questions were. I thought it would go 6-3. That’s what I said on Friday, based on the questions, but I was a little bit nervous about it. So I’m super excited that we had the Supreme Court willing to stand up for freedom.

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Biden Freefall: 33% Approval in Quinnipiac Poll

13 Jan 2022

CLAY: Joe Biden is in the middle of an absolute collapse in his overall political support. A poll came out yesterday afternoon while we were on air, Quinnipiac poll, and here, by the way, are the last seven approval ratings in this Quinnipiac poll: 49%, 46%, 42%, 28%, 37%, 36%, and then — yesterday afternoon — 33% approval for Joe Biden, 53% disapproval.

And I want to hit you with a couple of numbers here, Buck, that stood out to me. Joe Biden right now for independent voters has an approval rating of 25%. For black voters even, it’s down to 57%. White voters, 32% approval rating. Hispanic voters have a 28% approval rating right now for Joe Biden. That is lower than white voter approval ratings. These are numbers that are unbelievable.

BUCK: Joe Biden is about as popular as a root canal, everybody. That’s where we are here, and this is astonishing but not surprising, either, when you look at what the promise was of this administration. You know, we talk about the failures in specifics of the border, the economy, calculation, crime, all these things, and we say Joe Biden. It’s really the regime.

It’s Democrats setting the narrative and the political agenda across the nation in different ways, and certainly in the era of covid they’ve been more engaged in overreach — and, I think, constitutional violation — than at any time we’ve seen really in my lifetime. I can’t think of anything that is really quite as bad. There are some moments in the War on Terror where things maybe got heavy-handed with the government here at home, but nothing on the scale that we’ve seen with covid.

But, Clay, there’s also the broken fundamental promise of why did people go to vote for Joe Biden? And this is something Democrats do all the time. Republicans… The problem Republicans have is they get elected — and this is generalizations, but we’re talking politics; we’re gonna have to generalize. They get elected promising something and then they don’t deliver what they promise to the base. That’s the problem, the fundamental problem, I think, of Republicans often.

Democrats get elected pretending to be something other than that which they are, though, right? Like Joe Biden, in this case, is saying he’s a unifier, he’s a uniter, he’s not that he is a guy who wants to push through a left-wing agenda and be a spokesperson effectively for the more radical parts of the Democrat apparatus. He was a guy that was gonna be America’s grandpa.

We’re all scared. We’ve all got this covid thing flying around, right? Joe Biden’s a guy you can trust! This whole… Joe Biden is nasty. He says horrible things about his political opponents. He says reckless things in front of the American people as he just did in that speech a couple days ago. His whole pandemic of the unvaccinated line is disgraceful. And he keeps repeating it. He is the opposite of what he pretended to be, to be elected in a once in-a-century pandemic situation. And I think people are recognizing that.

CLAY: I don’t know how he climbs out of it. We had this discussion, Buck, you’ll remember, in the summer when we had the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. And the overall consensus at that point in time was that foreign policy doesn’t typically drive American approval ratings. But I do think it was an important tipping point for Joe Biden because Afghanistan, for many people, reflected the overall incompetence of the Biden administration.

Whether it was at the border, whether it was the murder rate, whether it’s now with covid, the most interesting thing I think in this Quinnipiac poll, Buck, is for the most part Joe Biden is now substantially underwater when it comes to his response to covid. That’s been the only thing that has been his saving grace so far was that there were enough people in America who trusted him on covid.

Now he’s lost there too. There is not one single thing that Joe Biden is doing right now of a significant magnitude that is positively reviewed. Whether it’s immigration, the border, covid, his domestic agenda, all of it has been soundly rejected. So I don’t know. There’s a good conversation we were having with Monica Crowley in this hour. I don’t know.

And I think it’s an important historical analogy that actually has some relevance, as opposed to the historical analogies that people like Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have been using about the Civil War to describe our current time. Bill Clinton in 1994, he got shellacked. He came back from it. Same thing happened to Barack Obama in the midterms in was 2008, and he came back from it — and I don’t know, in 2010, I guess.

I don’t know that Biden has anywhere near the political skill to be able to come back from what seems to be a clear shellacking that is coming towards him in November. And so basically at that point we just sit and do nothing for two years because there’s nothing that’s gonna get through the House, there’s nothing that’s gonna get through the Senate, and I don’t think Biden has the political muscle to be able to build himself back up like Clinton and Obama did.

BUCK: It’s like he’s on the high-speed train to Lame Duckville. It’s like he’s getting there before anybody thought could have even been possible, because if you are the Republicans in a newly earned majority — let’s say in the House and the Senate, which is very possible — why would you want to do anything that would fall into the Democrat agenda?

Sure, you’re gonna do the basic stuff that they do in Capitol Hill and D.C., but why all of a sudden would you want to give him the lifeline of triangulation? I think that’s what you’re getting at, right, that there could be some political skills that others would have to take a more moderate path? They’ve already decided that they would use, say, infrastructure spending as a club with which they were going to say, essentially:

“This is popular. So if you want this thing, you have to give us a massive spending package on top of it,” right? They’ve decided that this was gonna be a leverage point instead of a bipartisan measure. Why would Republicans give them the win? I think that there’s no reason to believe that Joe Biden’s gonna be in a better place going forward, although I think that one of the aspects of this we have to remember, things are so bad now that they will be, I think, on the upswing for Biden going into the fall. I hate saying that aloud, but I think it’s true. Just because, how much worse is it really gonna get?

CLAY: Covid can’t be this — I mean, let’s knock on wood, right. But covid can’t be this bad in the fall of 2022 as it is right now.

BUCK: And the economy, people will be saying, “Oh, it’s on the upswing! Oh, it’s getting better.” Don’t underestimate the shamelessness of the libs when it comes to staying whatever they have to in order to get power. Look what they did with Joe Biden the first place, look who they made president, and now you think they’re gonna start being honest about the fact that he’s terrible at this?

Of course not. So I think that even though it feels like right now they have very few cards to play, they’re hiding things up their sleeves. They’ll cheat, they’ll lie, they’ll steal, they’ll do whatever they gotta do. So we have a formidable — and I also, Clay, I don’t want us to take the House, the Senate. It has to be annihilation. This has to be repudiation of the Democrat ideology over the last two years or else we have underperformed as conservatives and as a party.

CLAY: I think so, because the message that’s going to be sent is going to be a massive one — and it does. It needs to be a red wave, needs to be a shellacking.

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Monica Crowley on Inflation Nation, Hillary’s ’24 Revenge Fantasy

13 Jan 2022

CLAY: We’re just about to begin right now with Monica Crowley. She’s a former assistant Treasury secretary under Donald Trump. She’s got a column up about the idea of a Hillary Clinton comeback. We’ll get into that and more, but I want to start, Monica, first, thanks for coming on. Second, inflation yesterday hit 7%, the highest rate it’s been since 1982. How do we get back to the Fed’s targeted goal of around 2% inflation, and what’s the time frame that that might require?

CROWLEY: Well, hi, guys. Thank you so much for having me back. It’s always a pleasure, and it is an excellent question. You know, there were some of us last year who were screaming that inflation was gonna become a huge problem. I remember being on Fox Business; I was all over radio. I was not the only one, but I was certainly saying that inflation looks like it is gonna be far more persistent than what we were being told by the powers that be, including President Biden’s Vice President Harris, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, and the Fed chair, Jerome Powell.

They were all telling us last year, “Listen. There is some inflation but it’s gonna be transitory. It’s all associated with opening the economy back up and all of this pent-up demand, but once that dust settles come the fall,” last year, they expected inflation to subside. Well, we have seen the exact opposite. And what we all knew that they either didn’t know or ignored is the fact that there was so much money that has been pumped down into the system over the last two years that of course there’s this excess cash rolling around the system that, of course, you are gonna have inflationary pressures.

They thought, “Well, we can continue to keep interest rates at record lows and with all this fiscal policy the booming demand will come back and help mop up all of this cash.” Well, that didn’t happen. Obviously, those of us in the Trump administration during the pandemic, the president made the very difficult decision to shut down the economy for a period of time, and so there was a realization that the government needed to step into the breach.

And therefore we had all of this emergency-level spending because we were in an actual emergency. Well, Biden and the Democrats come in January of last year, and they continue the emergency-level spending without the emergency. So they took a potentially inflationary situation, and actually made it come to pass and then exacerbated by all of this excess spending.

So what we have to do now, guys, is stop the spending. Thank God for Joe Manchin, stopping Build Back Better. But we’ve gotta make sure that both on the fiscal and monetary sides there is no more stimulus. No more fiscal stimulus coming out of the White House and Congress. No more monetary stimulus coming out of the Fed.

BUCK: Speaking to Monica Crowley, former assistant Treasury secretary under Donald Trump. She’s also got a piece today up the New York Post: “Hillary 2024 — with Biden and Harris Incredibly Weak, Clinton Sees a Comeback.” So, Monica, you and I have known each other for a while. You know the folks that can often formulate a consensus like this, even a short-term one in the media that even this is a possibility. You really think this is one that we could see in the long term come to fruition? There may be the great Hillary come back of 2024? I think for some people they’re gonna have nightmares if they think this is possible, but it will be entertaining.

CROWLEY: (laughing) Well, Hillary Clinton is a recurring nightmare, but it’s often fun to talk about Mrs. Clinton, isn’t it? Look, I have been talking about this woman for 20 years. She’s been on the national stage for 30 years. And I have just seen some moves on her part that suggest to me that as she looks around at the catastrophic collapse of Biden and Harris, and then the catastrophic cost of her policy agenda, disasters are in every direction.

I think her revenge fantasy is that the Democrats see her as the only viable option going into ’24 and that they will come and beg her to save the day. Now, it could transpire in a couple of different ways. I mean, she could run. I do think there’s gonna be an open primary, because Biden obviously is not running again. He’s already eating strained peas, okay? So he’s not gonna make it to 2024.

So she could either run in an open primary or — if the Democrats decide that Kamala Harris is far too much of a liability to continue — they basically have one year while this Congress is still in place because Congress has to approve any vice presidential replacement, to move her out of the way, make her an offer she can’t refuse, get her out of there, and then replace her.

Now, they’re gonna have the identity politics problem because Kamala’s a black woman and they don’t want to alienate black voters, specifically black women. So Hillary would have a challenge there to try to stave off a Stacey Abrams or a Keisha Bottoms or someone else like that. But Hillary is a fighter. And I’m telling you, she’s refused to go quietly into that dark political night. Her ambition burns as strong as ever, and I’m telling you, she is planning to bigfoot all comers to try to get that top job.

CLAY: This is fascinating to think about. You’re convinced that Biden is not going run again.

CROWLEY: Correct.

CLAY: Let’s presume that that’s true. When would he make that announcement that he would not seek reelection? ‘Cause there’s a lot of focus I think in the chattering class — including us — about when Trump might announce that he’s going to run again in 2024. When do you think Biden would announce, “Hey…” You know, he’s kind of a lame duck already. Presuming that the Democrats lose the House in 2022 and may well lose the Senate swell, what’s the time frame for Biden to say basically, “Hey, I’m done”?

CROWLEY: Well, you know, a lot of the Democrats looking at this scenario are saying he should not announce anytime soon, certainly not before the midterms. But even in the third year of his presidency, he should not, because he will be perceived as a lame duck and get nothing done.

CLAY: Right.

CROWLEY: Well, I have news for those Democrats. He’s already a lame duck. I mean, if Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema hold the line on Build Back Better and the big domestic spending agenda and the voting nonsense. If they hold the line, his domestic agenda is done from here on out, thank God, and certainly after the midterms when Republicans take control, as we believe that they will.

So I don’t think that is applicable, but I also don’t think he’s gonna make any kind of announcement before his third year in the presidency. If he’s not gonna run, he’s gotta do it for the party. He’s gotta step aside so candidates can come forward, fundraising can begin, and all of those things can happen. But he’s not gonna do it before that third year. The Democrats are in a real, real bind.

BUCK: Monica, do you think that they’re going to have to, just by virtue of the fact that they’re going into a midterm that everyone now thinks is gonna be a shellacking. Biden numbers are in the basement and feels like they might go to the subbasement pretty soon. Do you think they’re gonna have to back off some of the crazier covid restrictions and madness sooner than later, or is this what the base wants of the Democrat Party, therefore, they’re gonna keep this going deep into summer?

‘Cause I know the caseload is gonna start to lessen. We know the cyclical nature of this virus. But if they put the country through two or three months of suppressed economic activity and the psychological damage of more crazy restrictions, that’s going to be something I think is remembered this fall and is gonna be reflected in the numbers. So how do you think they play it?

CROWLEY: It’s very difficult for them to square this circle. They’re really on the horns of a dilemma. Because on the one hand they love the restrictions because that’s more power and control for them. And going into ’22 with mail-in voting and all of the things we saw come to pass last year as a result of the pandemic, they want to keep in place so that they can conduct their fraud and their shift and their shenanigans to try to mitigate some of the losses that are coming their way in the fall.

But, on the other hand, all of these restrictions are a huge drag on the party. You’re already seeing not just Biden and Harris’ numbers, but the Democrats across the board are really suffering in the polls because — number one — you’ve got this weakening economy’ you’ve got catastrophes in every direction. But I do think that one of the big drivers of that are these covid restrictions. The American people have had enough.

They’ve had enough of having to show their papers to go to a restaurant. They’ve had enough of their kids being pulled back and forth like yo-yos with school closures. They’ve had enough of being told masks work until they don’t work. They’ve had enough, and they’re ready now to live their lives with covid and negotiate life in this new reality.

And if the Democrats don’t change their tune on these restrictions and start lifting some of these things, I think that the losses they’re gonna see November are gonna be even worse. That’s why you’re seeing changing messaging from the White House, changing messaging from Fauci, changing messaging from the CDC. It’s not because the science has changed. It’s because the politics has changed.

CLAY: We’re talking to Monica Crowley, former assistant Treasury secretary under Donald Trump. You mentioned the idea of Hillary Clinton even potentially getting slid in as the vice president. That would require Kamala Harris giving up the office. Do you think there’s any chance that she would accept a Supreme Court appointment in the event that Stephen Breyer decided to step down, as many in the Democratic Party are trying to pressure him to do this summer?

CROWLEY: Well, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to write the column that appears in today’s New York Post, and you can see it all across my social media — Twitter, Gettr , Instagram. I posted it everywhere. They are going to have to make Vice President Harris an offer she can’t refuse because she’s also not gonna go quietly into that political night. So unless they have some compromising material or something on her to get her out, she is not gonna go quietly.

If she stays and runs, she’s gonna sink like a stone like she did in the 2020 cycle. They could offer her, as you suggest, something different that is perceived as a lateral move, and the Supreme Court would be considered a lateral move from the vice presidency. So they could convince her to do that. But again, they’re gonna have to do this in the next 12 months — actually the next 11 months — while they still have control of the Congress to try to get a replacement approved.

Because once Republicans gain control, it’s game over. I mean, if they presently Hillary Clinton to a Republican House (laughing), forget it! It’s not gonna happen. So all of these dominoes are gonna have to fall pretty soon if this scenario is gonna take place — and if it doesn’t, they’re gonna be stuck with Kamala running for president, and that is gonna be a death knell for them.

BUCK: Monica Crowley, everybody. Check out NewYorkPost.com today. Hillary 2024. She’s got a piece up there. Follow Monica on Twitter. Monica Crowley, my friend, good to have you. Thanks for being here with us.

CROWLEY: Always a pleasure. Thanks, guys.

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American President Openly Demands Censorship from Big Tech

13 Jan 2022

CLAY: To me, this continues to be an incredibly chilling example of the collusion that is existing between the Big Tech companies and the White House. Listen to cut 3, I believe it is here, as Joe Biden asks tech companies to do more to stifle the flow of information.

BIDEN: (whispering) I make a special appeal to social media companies and media outlets. Please deal (sputters) with the misinformation and disinformation that’s on your — your shhh — shows. (sic) It has to stop. Covid-19 is one of the most formidable (slurring) enemies America’s ever faced. We’ve gotta work together, not against each other.

As this cognitively impaired President calls for more aggressive censorship from the most powerful media companies in the world, just remember these are the people constantly whining about “threats to Democracy” https://t.co/3kjDBFtsJZ

— Buck Sexton (@BuckSexton) January 13, 2022

BUCK: It’s amazing, Clay, how open they are about the demands from the very top of the United States government for censorship. They don’t even pretend to care about free speech and the First Amendment anymore. And the media, who were lecturing us for four years of Trump’s presidency about the threat to democracy, about fascism creeping in America, they are the handmaidens of this Biden administration.

He is calling for Big Tech to shut down debate and discussion specifically at a time when the apparatus has been proven to be wrong. There is no person in the world who would win an argument with you or me right now about whether these vaccines stop the spread the way we were told they would. Clearly, that is false, and he’s calling for a doubling down not only on the failed policies but on the suppression of the very discussions that could prevent more of the failed policies.

CLAY: That’s so well said, Buck, and I’ll just reiterate for our audience there: Think about how often the opinions that we share on this show would not be allowed to be shared on social media. I’ll just give you a few examples. Facebook and Twitter shut down any discussions that covid might have emerged from Chinese lab. It now appears that the evidence strongly supports that covid did come from a Chinese lab.

By the way, potentially funded by our own tax dollars as part of gain-of-function research by the guy who’s in charge of covid now in Dr. Fauci. All of that was a wild conspiracy theory that you were not allowed to utter on social media. How about the idea, as we saw our buddy Alex Berenson who we continue to have on the show? In the summer he was saying, “Guys, the data out of Israel and the data our England is alarming about the efficacy of these vaccines.”

The idea of what you are being told, that if you take this vaccine, you will neither get nor spread covid is not supported by the scientific data right now. They kicked him right off Twitter. I guarantee you the White House had been flagging him and saying this guy needs to go — and the efficacy of masks! You can go on and on, Buck, with things that are very integral to our discussion as a society in the marketplace of ideas.

We need dissent to be allowed. Dissent is the very essence, by the way, of the scientific method, challenging everything, and here you have so many members of the media meekly acquiescing to whatever the narrative is, and then — this is maybe the most disgusting part of it, Buck — when the narrative changes, they pretend that nothing has changed at all. Do you know how many people out there on social media now, Buck, say, “They never said that the virus would prevent transmission or that covid would be stopped by the vaccine to prevent transmission or to prevent you from getting it,” and you have to actually share the clips with them.

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BUCK: I would just like to point out to everybody that already in New York City where I am, you have Alvin Bragg, the new DA, under the petition, at least — a recall petition of sorts — to get rid of him. The governor actually can — the governor of New York, Hochul (who seems like an imbecile; this is not gonna happen, but theoretically) could replace him, but that’s not going to happen. The people are already quite upset.

Clay, to give folks a sense of how close to home all it is stuff is, why is everyone talking about crime? Well, sure, the numbers reflect it. So we do this show here in New York City in Midtown in our radio studio right in the middle of the thick of things. Probably the busiest, most crowded neighborhood day to day in all of New York City right around probably a one square mile radius where I’m doing the show right now. And you had a carjacking one block from here one hour after we finished the show.

CLAY: So, to put it in the context of where you guys are, the New York City studio, this is a safe neighborhood, right?

BUCK: It was.

CLAY: If you were describing where you guys are broadcasting from, it would be typically considered safe.

BUCK: It’s gotten worse. It’s gotten a lot worse. Yes, it’s typically considered safe.

CLAY: That would be a pretty safe area?

BUCK: Yes. Historically, Manhattan, when you say going back the last 20 years, Manhattan’s been a very safe place, but it’s getting worse and worse and worse. And for a broad daylight carjacking right in front of a fancy hotel, basically right on Broadway. For anyone who knows New York City, it’s right in the middle of all of it is just crazy, and then there’s another story.

And this one is just… This was rough to see. You had a good Samaritan who — and it’s all on video. New York Post has both these stories. New York Times never covers this stuff ’cause, you know, the people that subscribe to the Times, they’re all out in the Hamptons and talking about how safe New York is while the butler is bringing them their breakfast. But here you have a guy, a vagrant, who actually took…

A Good Samaritan was walking by a guy who looked really cold who’s freezing. In New York City the last few days, it has been in the twenties in the last few days here and it’s all on video and the homeless man that the guy actually, Clay, gave his coat to him in real time, offered him the coat off his back ’cause this guy looked cold. The guy he gave the coat to, assaulted him, punched him in the face, sole his wallet and ran away, and it’s all on video.

And this is the… People always say, you know, “Oh, it’s not about public safety! It’s just about helping people, drug abuse.” No, it’s about public safety, too, actually. We have people camping out and living on the streets and people who are deeply either addicted or mentally ill or both who are not interacting with the state in a way that allows them to get the resources this need. It’s just… People ask me, “Why don’t you just stop and give everybody a $20 bill?” when I walk past them. Not me but what should you do when you walk past someone who needs help? You know, it depends. Depends.

CLAY: So you’ve lived in New York your whole life.

BUCK: Pretty much, yeah.

CLAY: Crime. We know murders are up pretty substantially over the past couple of years. Crime in general, anecdotally, certainly is up. Using an example —

BUCK: Statistically is up, too, dramatically. Yeah.

CLAY: And up in places where people are not used to seeing crime happen, right? What does it compare to in your experience? Do you feel like this is going back in time, the pre-Giuliani era? Is that the kind of vibe you have?

BUCK: It’s heading in that direction for sure, and everyone who lives here and is being honest will tell you that. The worst that New York ever was, was 1991-1992, and you were talking about over 2,000 murders a year New York City, which is… I mean, that’s like the casualties you would expect in a war somewhere over the course of a year, right? That’s crazy. –

CLAY: But it got all the way down to like 250 or 300, right?

BUCK: It became the safest city of its size in like I think the Western Hemisphere, basically — yeah, North and South America. It became one of the safest big cities you could find anywhere, not quite as safe as Tokyo but certainly getting close to it, and it’s trending hard in the other direction. And when you see these things that are happening and you see the numbers piling up.

We have to remind ourselves that there was a change. It’s not just even about BLM. It’s not just about the progressive prosecutors. There was a change in the overriding political philosophy of one of the two political parties in this country that we were too harsh on criminals, that we back police too much, and we needed a fundamental shift away from the “carceral state.”

And what we’re seeing is a lot of people being hurt, attacked, raped, murdered, robbed in places that haven’t experienced these kinds of numbers in a long time. Bad ideas have consequences, Clay, and they certainly have consequences here in New York City, and there should be at least a political accountability for the people that push this crap. Why isn’t every journalist asking AOC every time she speaks? I think she’s probably better from covid now. Every time she pops up, say, “Hey, how do you really feel about defunding police given the rise in murder rates nationwide and here in New York City? You think that was of a good idea?” But they let them get away with it.

CLAY: And, by the way, I’m glad you mentioned this ’cause I was reading this early this morning. I haven’t seen this reported hardly anywhere. This was from the Wall Street Journal. The number of police officers who were killed while on duty hit a 20-year high. So, 73 different police officers were murdered in 2020, which was a 20-year high — which directly reflects, I think, your point, Buck, about the demonization of police that has occurred in this country.

It’s not a surprise that as a result, police were targeted at a level that has not happened nearly in the twenty-first century. Again, Wall Street Journal, 73 different police officers killed while on duty last year, a 20-year high. And obviously this happened all over the country. Highest number since 9/11, Buck, because so many police officers died in the response to 9/11. I haven’t seen that hardly mentioned anywhere contextually. It is a unfortunate marker for the world that we’ve created in a post-George Floyd America.

BUCK: Every career criminal in America knows right now that if you get into a fight with a cop and it’s on video, there will be some moron going on CNN or MSNBC claiming excessive force, police violence. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done before, doesn’t matter what weapons you have on you. If it looks bad on the video for a second, they’re gonna say, “Oh, my God.” Look what happened with the cop who shot the girl in Ohio who was swinging the knife —

CLAY: LeBron James immediately said that he was racist.

BUCK: I meant to get to calls. I’m sorry. Clay and I got deeper into the crime thing. It hits close to home when they’re carjacking maybe 150 yards from where we’re doing the show.

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