Democrat-Caused Wave of Brutal Violent Crime Shocks Country

19 Jan 2022

BUCK: We have a number of heinous crimes that have occurred across the United States — well, notably in big cities like Los Angeles and in New York City, although there are crimes happening every day in record numbers. Remember, 2021 was a year of all-time murder highs in a number of major American cities, enormous increases in a lot of cities, double-digit increases in dozens of American cities over the last 12 to 18 months.

Of course, coinciding with the rise of the BLM movement as well. And so the theory that I’ve always put forward that Black Lives Matter as a movement manages to make everything worse for everyone and notably for young black men in America, it makes everything worse for everyone. The data proves that out. But here’s what we’ve gone through just in the last week in this country.

When we’re talking about crime and what’s happening in America today, you have Sandra Shells punched in the head, fell down and hit her head and later died. She was a nurse in Los Angeles waiting to be picked up by a bus, a nurse who was just doing her day-to-day life. Brianna Kupfer, who was stabbed to death while working at a store in Los Angeles by a — well, we’ll get into the criminals and who they are and their backgrounds in a moment.

And then Michelle Go, who was pushed in front of an oncoming subway car and struck fatally by that subway car on the Times Square subway station. This is right near where I am in New York City. It’s a subway station that, in earlier times, I would have used all the time, but everyone these days is more and more concerned about being on the subway — and here’s what’s obvious about all this right away. The criminals that do this are known criminals.

The people that have murdered these three women were known to authorities with long criminal records — violent criminal records — and yet they’re back out on the streets. What is the response of Eric Adams, the new mayor of New York City to the murder of Michelle Go, an Asian-American woman pushed in front of a subway car? “We need more mental health resources,” he says, “for this city.”

Well, there’s actually a whole other approach which would be we need to enforce the law and get serious about crime in America today. Here is the father Brianna Kupfer was stabbed to death in the store in Los Angeles. Horrific crime, completely random, unprovoked, just a vicious murder. Here’s her father speaking about this issue on Fox, Todd Kupfer. Play clip 26.

KUPFER: I’m not blaming anybody by name. I blame… What’s endemic in society right now is everybody seems to be oriented on giving back rights and bestowing favor on people that rob others of their rights. We should be celebrating the good in people, not tear down communities by exposing them to people that are falling out the bottom that really don’t care about the other human beings and just think they can do whatever they like in our society. And they are doing it more and more.

CLAY: That’s the father of the victim in L.A., this brutal murder that occurred. Buck, you had a recent graduate of college working in a furniture store, middle of the day. She is brutally murdered in the middle of the day by a career felon who has been arrested dozens of times. You have the situation — and, by the way, this is a major point of discussion right now in Los Angeles, a city that I really like and have spent a substantial amount of time in, in my career, because Fox Sports is based in L.A.

So I have been out in L.A. other than where I went to college in Washington, D.C., and where I live in Nashville. I’ve been in L.A. more time in my life than anywhere else in the world, and this is resonating in a big way. A middle-of-the-day murder by a career felon who should have never been on the streets. And, Buck, you can speak to this, and I know all of you our staff in New York City can.

For the people out there that don’t live in New York City, what happened to Michelle Go, this 40-year-old woman who was in the subway, never even saw her attacker, who shoved her in front of an oncoming subway train. This is a fear that is palpable for people who take the subway in New York City, for people who live in New York, this is something that is always in the back of your mind, this idea that someone might just come up and shove you. For anybody who’s taken the subway before, if you’re standing near the edge of that train —

BUCK: Platform.

CLAY: — platform when it comes roaring in, you know how potentially able to be shoved in front you are, how much of a victim you are, how much you’re relying on just the basic decency of society to be able to board that subway train.

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: And so for both of these incidents — and, by the way, I think this is important, Buck. These are not outlier incidents, right? What I mean by that is, these are not things that occur that are so outside of what’s going on elsewhere. They’re just two anecdotes, which are reflective of the rapid rise in violent crime that we have seen in this country, and those were the two biggest cities in America.

And right now if you’re in New York and L.A., you have heard and probably discussed with some of your friends it and family about both of these cases, and they are emblematic of Democratic policy failures that violent criminals are being allowed to maraud in our streets and kill completely, 100-billion percent innocent people. These women had no chance to defend themselves. They had no hope.

BUCK: Public perception and social cohesion matters a whole lot when it comes to crime, right? You could talk about the socio-economics behind it, but poverty actually doesn’t cause violent crime. There are a lot of very, very poor societies where violent crime is actually quite rare. So it’s not poverty. That’s not true. There’s often a perception of whether or not certain behaviors will be tolerated.

There’s an escalation among the criminal class, because in every society there’s a small percentage of people who are committing a vast majority of nearly all of the violent crimes. That’s just the reality all around the world. And so when you look at this and you say, “Why is it that…?” Why is Tokyo so much safer than Rio de Janeiro, for example, just to pick two cities?

Rio has a very, very high crime rate and Tokyo has an incredibly low crime rate. They’re both mega cities with millions and millions of people. Well, it’s because you create a culture, essentially — a public perception — of how the police are going to react, what the public believes, how the public interacts with each other, social cohesion, social trust. That’s why the subway platform thing is so… First of all, it’s so horrific to think you’d be —

CLAY: Visceral.

BUCK: — standing there and some lunatic shoves her in front of an oncoming train. It’s a horrible way to die, and think about that done to her family. But beyond that, you see now that the Democrat policies of allowing and being permissive of the criminal class is disastrous. And we’ve gone through this before in America as a society, as a country, and we learned the lesson — and now it’s as though they want us to unlearn the lesson.

And they have no good explanation or excuse for this. And I’ll tell you this, Clay. One thing that’s really omnipresent? I know Tucker last night on his show on Fox did a whole thing on homelessness in American cities. It is a normal thing. I can even remember recently myself. I was walking with my mother — this is maybe a few months back — and a person came up and started screaming the most horrific profanity imaginable — it was a female, by the way — in our faces.

And you just realize that this has now been normalized, that there are essentially insane vagrants who wander the streets urinating, defecating, and shouting threats and profanity at people. And if you are the Democrats — and this is where we get into the politics of this a bit. In the Democrat mind-set, if you have a problem with this — if you want these people to be taken off the street, if you want these people to be incarcerated for crimes they commit without the…

Oh, they just need mental health services, depending, of course, on the individual case. You’re a bad person. They’ll often call you a racist, depending on the race of the person involved in this, and they want to shut you down. You’re not allowed anymore, Clay, as a New Yorker to be upset and complain about people relieving themselves and doing heroin in broad daylight on Broadway on the corner of wherever you live because social justice says you have to just take it. That’s what the Democrat Party’s turned into.

CLAY: And I want to hit you with this, too, Buck, because I think you can speak to this based on your background. Violent crime is typically not the first thing that someone does. This is why getting people who commit crimes off the streets is so important. You can speak to this, I think, on the percentage basis. But this guy, for instance, in L.A. who killed this young girl in a furniture store, he’d been arrested dozens of times for several violent offenses.

Usually, the first offense you commit is not killing someone, right? People don’t usually just jump from complete innocence, complete law-abidingness to suddenly committing a violent murder. Now, maybe that happens in crimes of passion-type situations more so, but it’s still very rare that the first thing on somebody’s rap sheet is murder. So, this is why the three-strikes-and-you’re-out felony law made sense back in 1994 and beyond, because there is an idea that as you commit crimes — and, by the way, get away with them — you graduate, in essence, to the severity of the crime that you might attempt. There’s a lot of evidence of that, right?

BUCK: This is like with heinous violent crimes a lot of the time people that end up, you know, becoming, whether it’s a school shooter situation or people that just go on to do the worst kinds of acts, you go back and you always find out invariably that, you know, they were torturing animals. There are always signs, is what I’m saying. There’s always these earlier educators.

And oftentimes it’s building up through crimes over time that you see that someone’s heading to… It doesn’t get better, right? It doesn’t go from, you know, I stole a stole a jacket to I stole a car to committed an armed robbery to, oh, you know, now I’m gonna downscale it and just engage in a little Medicare fraud. No, no. That’s not the direction it heads in. We all know that just from our lived experience, you could say, as human beings and seeing what it’s like to be in society.

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19 Jan 2022

BUCK: One thing we always do here on this show, we tell you this: If we ever get anything wrong or even if we have to update something, we’ll do it ’cause we want to tell you what’s true all the time. So we saw reporting, both of us, Clay — and I saw a reporter from NPR that said — that Justice Gorsuch was not willing to wear a mask and so Sotomayor was doing the Supreme Court oral arguments remotely. Clay, we have an update to that, a correction to that initial reporting. What’s going on?

CLAY: Yeah, basically the Supreme Court justices are saying that that NPR story is not true, and I’m reading directly from a statement that came out from Justices Sotomayor and Gorsuch. “Reporting that Justice Sotomayor asked Justice Gorsuch to wear a mask surprised us. It is false. While we may sometimes disagree about the law, we are warm colleagues and friends.”

So this is pretty interesting in general that they would feel the need because that NPR story, as we talked about it on this program, spread virally — no pun intended there — surrounding all of the covid analysis and as a storyline. Now, I do think it’s interesting that Justice Sotomayor would put out a statement that says this story is false and never have corrected the fact that she said a hundred thousand kids are in severe covid health issues right now; that many of them are on ventilators.

That went out. She never actually addressed at all. But this report that she had asked Justice Gorsuch to wear a mask and that was the reason why she was not appearing in the courtroom after he had refused. They are specifically saying that’s untrue, and we should say this. This is just further evidence, Buck, of why so many people, their natural response anytime a story like this comes out is to view it with apprehension because there’s so much falsehood out there.

Now, it’s also worth saying, they could be always lying in this statement or saying something that is untrue because they weren’t happy the story got out, but I’m inclined to believe that both of them are issuing this public statement saying that it’s false. I’m inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the Supreme Court justices that NPR got this one wrong and failed in their reporting on this particular issue.

And we just want to make sure on this show — we try to do this all the time, Buck — if there is a fact that we talk about as a reported fact and it’s not, it ends up not being the raw or someone later challenges it, we try to come back and make sure we address it with you because we’re trying to be as honest with you every day as we can.

BUCK: Yes, and in this case, we didn’t get the report wrong, just to be clear. The report was wrong that we reported on. But even when that happens, we’re gonna tell everybody, “Look, it turns out they said this is not the case.”

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19 Jan 2022

MAYOR ERIC ADAMS: Our system must be safe. It must be safe from actual crime, which we are going to do, and it must be safe from those who feel as though there’s a total level of disorder in our subway system. Day one, January 1 when I took the train, I saw the homelessness, the yelling, the screaming early in the morning, crimes right outside the platform.

We know we have a job to do, and we’re going to do both. We’re going to drive down crime, and we’re going to make sure New York is still safe in our subway system. And they don’t feel that way now. I don’t feel that way when I take the train every day or when I’m moving throughout our transportation system. That is our battle, and that is what I’m going to do as the mayor of the City of New York.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Just mention to you, when we talk about our crime discussion before, Eric Adams, the new mayor of New York City, a former member of the NYPD, the police department here in New York, saying some of the right things. And at least this is something of a counterbalance to the new district attorney, Bragg, who came into the firestorm after he put out a memo — the firestorm of outrage — for saying that they won’t even pursue criminal charges for things like armed robbery, which everyone usually would say, that’s a real serious crime.

You’re pointing a gun at somebody, saying, “I’m gonna kill you unless you give me your money,” that usually results in a lengthy should result in a lengthy prison sentence. So, I mean, there’s some cause for… I wouldn’t say optimism, but it’s not hopeless in New York, Clay. That’s where I am now. I’m not optimistic, but it’s not hopeless the crime situation here in NYC will turn around and remember the New York crime miracle was often used as a template and a playbook for what was done in other cities across the country.

But it’s also a reminder, remember he says that the subway, when he’s in it — and a lot of people listening, I’m sure, have been on the New York subway at some point. It’s gone through good periods, bad periods. It has become totally normalized that you’ll walk into a subway car and it will… I mean, it will honestly smell like you’re in a sewage-treatment plant and there will be trash all over the place and some absolutely insane person who’s maybe not even dressed who is walking around screaming profanity and talking to himself, and you’re just supposed to say, “Well, I guess the cops… You know, he has a right to do this. The cops can’t arrest him.” This is the society we’ve been living in.

CLAY: I believe that crime is up 50% on the subway so this is not something that people are making up. I read that statistic recently, and I would also say this. Some of what Eric Adams says there is important, and I think some of the things that he has said about the importance of diminishing crime in the city is a hundred percent correct. But he’s a grown man, Buck. You’re a grown man. I’m a grown man.

The level of fear that I think a grown man feels is different than the level of a fear that a woman would feel or certainly a child would feel. So I would take the subway and not be afraid to take the subway myself. Simultaneously, if I were living in New York right now, I would not want my wife going on the subway by herself — she’s five foot two, 105 pounds — and I certainly wouldn’t want my kids.

I’m about to have a 14-year-old. I don’t want my teenage son to be on the subway by himself. So to me, you judge the safety of a city, Buck, not by what a grown man of a normal size who feels like he can take care of himself to some degree and also at least puts off the idea to a criminal element, “Hey, if I try to do something to this guy, we’re similar in size; there may be some danger to me.” I want to know what women and kids think about whether they feel safe, not when a grown mayor who can probably take care of himself ’cause he’s a grown man.

He’s not really the arbiter for whether a subway is safe to me. It’s whether women and children feel comfortable and, as a man — whether you’re the dad or you’re the husband or you’re the grandfather — whether you would feel comfortable with the women in your life and the children in your life being on the subway. And, Buck, you don’t have a wife or kids right now, but I bet you wouldn’t feel very comfortable if you knew that they were on the subway by themselves right now. I certainly wouldn’t. That’s, to me, how you test safety in a city.

BUCK: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I remember a friend of mine when I lived in D.C. did some real estate investing. He had this theory, and he said, “You know, if you want to know,” ’cause he would invest in transitioning — economically transitioning — neighborhoods. He’d say, “All you have to know is do women jog at night in this neighborhood.”

CLAY: Perfect. Yes.

BUCK: He said if women jog at night who live there who know the neighborhood, you’re fine. If women don’t feel safe jogging at night, there’s an issue. It’s a very simplistic thing, but I think it actually is true.

CLAY: I’ve made that exact analogy before, Buck. To me, if you… In Nashville where we lived, we lived in an inner-city neighborhood, and I said, you know, “You can tell how a neighborhood is in terms of safety by what women feel comfortable doing alone by themselves in the neighborhood.” That’s the ultimate test because if a woman feels like she can put on shorts and a T-shirt and go out and jog in that neighborhood, it is a 100% sign that the neighborhood is in some way safe, right?

Your average woman. If they don’t, then that’s a big issue. And I think in the wake of that woman who was by herself getting shoved in front of the subway and dying and the stories that are coming out of violence inside the subway, I don’t think most women in New York City feel that safe by themselves.

BUCK: The perception issue really matters when you’re talking about safety as well, when you think about — and I know I’m focusing on New York, and we’ve got audience all across the country, and a lot of them don’t live in cities and crime is not a big issue for you. So you are among the fortunate Americans that don’t think about this very much. But I’m sure you’ve probably got kids, maybe, who are in college or who have moved to big cities because that’s where the jobs often are.

So it affects everybody in different ways, and I just say that when you see — and I was in Los Angeles before lockdown. The weekend before lockdown I was on the Bill Maher show in L.A. and I remember being out there, and you go to Hollywood, and there are tent cities. I went to Austin during the lockdowns, and there are tent cities out on the street. And the perception among a certain lifestyle lib has been, if you complain about this, you’re a bad person.

And depending on the socioeconomic and racial background of some of people living in the tent cities, you may even be kind of racist for complaining about this reality, when in truth we all know there is a tremendous correlation between vagrancy, the lack of and reformatory of these laws, these day-to-day laws, and the increase in crime.

We just know that if you allow people who are… You know, Clay, I didn’t tell you this. The place where I film the TV show that I do for the First TV every day is right across the street, like, it faces one of those hotels that was turned into essentially a homeless shelter, and it was turned into a homeless shelter during the pandemic because of the emergency orders. They were paying, I want to say, something like $150-$200 a night, the city was, to house homeless people in this hotel.

And out in front, the place was just an absolute mess. I mean, there was trash everywhere, people doing not just weed, all kinds of drugs. It was loud, people smashing bottles, people yelling profanity, people urinating on the streets and, you know, you’re allowed to as a citizen — as a person who’s living here, law-abiding, paying taxes — you’re allowed to say, why is this permissible? And now finally I think people are waking up to that in New York, Los Angeles —

CLAY: San Francisco, certainly.

BUCK: — Atlanta, Chicago, name a city that’s been. Philadelphia? Good heavens, look what’s going on there. So that’s the big change. The Democrats realize that it’s all over for them with this, “Oh, we have to end the carceral state.” This is insane.

CLAY: As I’ve been saying for a long time, Buck, being concerned about being too tough on crime is a luxury of a low-crime environment. We’re not in a low-crime environment anymore. We don’t have the luxury of worrying about over-punishing criminal elements. We need to get back to putting violent people behind bars so we can start to protect the innocent people in society.

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BUCK: Biden is no longer hidin’, but he is still declinin’ in the polls. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Pretty much now we got a news cycle dominated by Joe Biden having just completed the worst year in living memory of any president in terms of bad decision-making, bad policy outcomes. And it’s fascinating to see that the people that are supposed to be — and usually would be — his support network, his enablers, especially in the media, are scrambling, and they can’t even come up with explanations for all this stuff to make any sense. Here’s over at CNN — which just created a misinformation unit, Clay, to track down misinformation. I can tell you our names will be popping up over there.

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: You’re banned. Maybe you’re like Voldemort; they can’t even say your name in the CNN building although I’m pretty close.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Here’s CNN’s Abby Phillip with the geniuses of the Biden administration. Play 19.

PHILLIP: He is between a rock and a hard place. You have so many Democrats in the face saying, “Why didn’t you work on some of these issues that we really cared about? Why did you focus on infrastructure and all of this other stuff, uh, as the first priorities?” And the Biden thinking was if we get covid under control, if we get the money in people’s pockets, then we have a better chance of going into the midterm election cycle. They didn’t foresee the impacts of covid and on that extra money in their — in people’s pockets on inflation, and so they’re in a really tough spot because they made some choices a year ago that — that are coming back to them in a way that they did not anticipate.

BUCK: That says a lot, Clay: They didn’t anticipate that almost $2 trillion of additional spending on top of trillions of dollars of emergency spending and sending people money at home was gonna have on inflation. Wow.

CLAY: And they also thought that he was gonna be the covid hero. He was gonna rush in, the vaccine was out there, he was gonna stamp out covid, he was gonna be giving people money, and people were gonna be ecstatic about the Biden regime in the first year. Both of those things, by the way, big gambles, total failure, which is why I believe what’s going to happen in the wake of this failure in the Senate overvoting rights and the filibuster modification is we are going to see a demand for somebody to be responsible, for there to be a proverbial head on the spike.

“This is the guy who’s responsible for it. This is why everything went wrong. Here is the responsible party. We’re firing him and we’re now embarking on a new destination.” The problem is for Joe Biden, I don’t know that he’s mentally capable enough, Buck, to go out and find new advisers who are going to lead him in a better direction. I think he’s basically stuck with what he’s got.

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Was Biden’s MLK/George Floyd Comparison That Crazy?

19 Jan 2022

CLAY: Two days ago was Martin Luther King Day, and there was and continues to be a lot of discussion about his legacy, and I wanted to make sure that we played this clip of Joe Biden several months ago talking about how the death of George Floyd was more significant in its impact than the death of Martin Luther King Jr. Listen to this.

BIDEN: Even Dr. King’s assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyd’s death did.

CLAY: Which is crazy to say, Buck, and I think it’s a sign of the lunacy in the world in which we live. But terms what happened in April of 1968 and what the assassination of Martin Luther King ended up occurring, versus what happened with George Floyd’s death, the amount of change and the amount of craziness that ensued from George Floyd’s death, I’m not sure that Biden is wrong, right? It’s on its face a crazy analogy to make.

But in terms of the actual world spinning out of control, it’s wild that you can even make this analogy. You know what I’m saying? The impact of Martin Luther King’s life is far more significant than the impact of George Floyd’s life. But the way in which they actually died and the immediate response to that death, I think what he’s trying to say is a sign of the lunacy and how much things have spiraled out of control that George Floyd’s death was used as a more significant marker than Martin Luther King Jr.’s death.

BUCK: Well, this is part of the move that you’ve seen with social media now, which creates instantaneous virtual signaling opportunities for people, including those who are nowhere near the George Floyd incident, don’t live not even Minnesota or America but live overseas. But anti-racism has become a sort of global religion for a lot of people as well.

It’s a bit like being a climate change person who you just always profess how anti-racist you are. You don’t have to do anything, right? You’re just profess, “Oh, my gosh. I oppose racism so much” on Facebook or whatever, and your friends all think you’re a good person. You don’t actually have to take any action or take an unpopular stance. You’re doing quite the opposite.

So there was this immediate outcry afterwards but also there was — there is, I should say, and the whole Black Lives Matter movement is premised on — a lie. And the lie is that there’s the systemic murdering of black men in America by law enforcement without consequence, and this is happening regularly, routinely and is somehow supported in the broader society.

That is a vicious and destructive lie, but it’s a very emotionally highly resonating one. So when people hear this, it has an impact on them. And that’s how you have people in the U.K. and Germany and all this, they were marching in favor of George Floyd’s, you know, the movement, I should say.

CLAY: Which we don’t even know, Buck. And it’s like nobody even has this discussion. We still have yet to prove that there was direct racial animus involved in anything surrounding what happened to George Floyd, whereas Martin Luther King was killed by James Earl Ray, an avowed racist, because he was black and of the political beliefs that he had embraced, which is equality in the United States. We still don’t know what difference there would have been in the behavior of Chauvin if it had been an Asian person or Hispanic person or another white person instead of being George Floyd, right? And nobody even is willing to have that discussion.

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CLAY: We begin with breaking news inside of the show. Last week, I tested positive for what we believe is the Omicron version of covid. This week — appearing live from his Manhattan apartment after testing positive yesterday — Buck Sexton. How do you feel?

BUCK: I’m all right, man. People could hear yesterday — and hi, everybody. People could hear yesterday my voice was a little off, particularly in the podcast of the Buck Sexton Show in the morning. (chuckles) I had to restart it a few times. And then I realized. Let me just tell you the thought process here, Clay, ’cause I think it’s instructive. I wake up and I think to myself, “Oh, man I’ve got a cold, I think. I’m not sure yet.”

And I go into the office and I’m like, “Hmm. I feel kind of funky.” If it wasn’t the era of covid, I would have just been like, “Drink some tea. Man up. You’ll be all right! Don’t cough on anybody.” But because it’s covid, of course, it hits me as I sit down and do the show. “Oh, gosh. I gotta go get a covid test, don’t I?” and sure enough it comes back positive right away.

Now I’m sitting here in quarantine until Friday, and I gotta tell you, the good news for me so far is that having had covid twice — not once, but twice — and after being forced to get a shot, I’ve noticed a pattern here, Clay. I get the virus and then the state — or in this case the city — of New York, forces me to get a shot for that virus after I’ve had it and have natural immunity, and I think that’s probably gonna happen again. Now that I’ve had Omicron, they’re probably gonna make me get an Omicron booster in March as if we’re all idiots and can’t actually make any decisions for ourselves.

CLAY: When did you first have covid? Because I first had covid in November of 2020. I think I had the Alpha version of covid then. No real issues. It was a day maybe that I felt a little bit icky back in November of 2020 and then last week I had covid — and I would say, again, it was a light cold for me. I’m assuming it’s the Omicron version.

Some people out there like, “You don’t know what the official variant you got was ’cause they don’t test for it.” Yeah, right, 98% or 99% of people are testing positive for Omicron when they actually analyze the specific variant. So given the fact that I already had covid before I think it’s probably Omicron, the statistics would be. So you had it for the first time when?

BUCK: I had covid — and some of the audience might remember, ’cause I was off radio for a few days — in March, I think, of 2021.

CLAY: So you made it a full year after things broke out the first time?

BUCK: Yeah. I lasted a year without getting covid, and I was the anti-mask bandit in my building, and everyone was complaining, and I’m like, “Well, somehow I’m fine walking around here.” And it also reminds me, too, all the times I’ve had to mask up on planes in recent months and do all this stupidity? Okay, I got sick anyway. What was that really all about? Everybody I know is getting sick with covid in New York. Everybody right now.

CLAY: Yes, and we should also mention, we’ve got an event, I think now, still scheduled — Ali can let me know if anything’s changed — in Fort Myers. So the other reason you wanted to get tested is because now that I’ve already got through it and I’ve quarantined and everything else, in theory, I’m still going to be at this Fort Myers event that we’re doing in Florida. But you wanted to make sure that if you had covid you weren’t traveling and going to that event, right?

BUCK: I was right on the edge of what the quarantine guidelines are.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: And there’s a difference I think between out of quarantine and going and shaking hands with a few hundred people. So, yeah, we wanted to be sure. But it’s just amazing how much the psychology around all this stuff has changed because I’m sitting here right now and I’ve been telling my friends, “It seems like wimpycron. It’s a fraction of the original,” having had both the original strains… (chuckling)

CLAY: The original strain, yeah. You got covid remix now.

BUCK: You know, original Pepsi, original Coke. I had the original covid. And that was rough. That was really a shock to the system for me for a solid week and now I’m sitting here, I got I guess the Omicron variant and people keep saying it’s milder. I wouldn’t miss… If this were 2019, Clay, and I felt like this, I would be in the studio. I would not miss a moment of work. I’d just trying to stay away from people in close contact because I would think I had a cold. That’s it.

CLAY: Yeah. It’s amazing how society has completely, fundamentally altered, ’cause we do get that question, “Why did you decide to get tested?” Last week I got tested. I didn’t get tested the first time. I found out I had covid officially ’cause of the antibody test I did later. But I wanted to know for sure whether I had covid so I could talk about it on the radio.

And for you, we’ve got an event scheduled this weekend so you’re like, “Well, if I feel like I’ve got a cold given how prevalent it is in New York City…” The Omicron variant has swept through the entirety of New York City; you wanted to make sure whether or not you had it too. It is kind of crazy that, given the fact that it feels like a light cold.

If you had had a cold, you’d be like, “Okay. It’s just a cold. I’m not positive for Omicron and/or covid,” and so you would just have continued with your life. But now we’ve created this entire world where if you’ve got covid, “Oh, my gosh!” You immediately change your behavior, and you’re in the apartment right now doing your show from there.

BUCK: I’d be so curious to see what the actual data would be on whether or not Omicron is, for people who have had any strain of covid before. So if you have some natural immunity that you’ve built up to this type of virus in general, how much more or less dangerous than the common cold is this really? I mean that honestly. Look, covid-19 was clearly… I mean, is worse than a common flu, is worse than a common cold.

Omicron, for a while the data showed nobody was dying from this. Well, what’s fascinating is — and I feel like you have to look at the data now with a lot of skepticism because we know a lot of people are in the hospital weren’t supposed to be. I would want to know, so are all these people — ’cause right now the average I think the 14-day rolling average according to the New York Times is about 1,800 deaths a day right now.

So are those all Omicron deaths, or is that from the 5 or 10% that’s still Delta that’s out there? I feel like we can’t know, Clay. But I can tell everybody right now sitting here doing this show, I’m right in the middle of it, right? I’m in the peak of Omicron. At least I hope that’s where I am ’cause it’s not that bad. I just feel like there’s stuff that we don’t know yet or there’s stuff that isn’t reflected in the data.

And if we’re not willing to basically bulldoze through Omicron and go back to normal life, I feel like we’re now all prisoners of respiratory-virus season hysteria for the rest of our lives. That’s my concern. If this is too scary for people to handle and go about normal life? Yeah, sure. Get shots if you’re at risk, et cetera. But, Clay, if this is too scary, everything is too scary.

CLAY: I think that’s why the integral question going forward has to be, how does this all end? Because to your point, it’s almost impossible for Omicron based on all the data that we’ve seen so far… I had it, you had it, you have it right now, and so we’ve experienced what we believe is exactly what this virus does to your body and the answer is for most people it’s not very significant in terms of its impact.

And that’s, by the way, whether you’re vaccinated or unvaccinated because one of the usual blue-check moves — if you are a hard-core blue check, Buck, you would have said — “I’ve got Omicron but it’s not impacting me at all because I was vaccinated,” right? But we know that your Johnson & Johnson vaccine… (laughing) Sorry to laugh, but your Johnson & Johnson vaccine legitimately has no protection against Omicron — and, by the way, so does everybody out there’s Pfizer vaccine. So it is a really interesting question of, when do we get back in some way to some form of normalcy? If this variant doesn’t do it, I don’t know what is going to do it for people.

BUCK: So, as we know, the fourth shot of the covid vaccine has been administered in a clinically significant level and number of people in Israel already, and the most recent Israeli data… We keep looking at the Israeli data ’cause they keep very close, precise numbers.

CLAY: They’re ahead of us.

BUCK: Unlike in this country where it’s Fauci going, “I don’t know. Let’s take a guess,” in Israel they actually pay attention to the numbers very closely. Even the U.K., as we’ve discussed, is better than we are. But the fourth shot of the covid vaccine is not enough to prevent widespread Omicron infection. Still. So you’re still getting sick even after —

CLAY: Four shots!

BUCK: — four shots, everybody, and that’s not four shots of it bootleg J&J vaccine that I got specifically because I knew that this was all a farce and I just had to go through the motions or else he was gonna be barred from everything. I couldn’t go into an office building. I can’t do anything in New York without a shot, Clay. It’s insane what they’ve done to people here. But now after four shots you’re still gonna get sick?

That’s what the Israelis are telling people now. To Berenson’s point when we had him on last week, if they’re not separating out those who are so old and so sick that they can’t get the vaccine from those who are younger and are choosing to be unvaccinated, that dramatically undermines the takeaway of the actual data set of what vaccination really means for people in terms of protection.

Remember, it all hangs on, “Oh, it will keep you from hospitalization and death.” Okay, but how much in? How much of that is people…? How many people under 50 are going unvaccinated and are actually dying from covid of any kind whatsoever? I would like to see that data. What percentage of the unvaccinated who die are going through cancer treatment and can’t get the vaccine?

CLAY: That’s the key.

BUCK: Those are the numbers we need to have.

CLAY: What we’re suddenly getting — and we’ll play that audio for you from Israel about the fourth shot failing when we come back in the next break here in a moment. But that’s the data that we’re starting to get just a pinprick of, Buck. For instance, in New York Governor Hochul suddenly saw the light of day and we played CNN suddenly seeing the light of day over this too and they were saying wait a minute.

A lot of people who are hospitalized and testing positive for covid are there for totally unconnected to covid reasons. In other words, if you got into a traffic accident and you needed to be hospitalized because of that traffic accident and you test positive — you go in to have a baby, you test positive — and you’re treated as a covid hospitalization even though you’re in ancillary covid hospitalization because the only reason you’re there is for another reason. But, Buck, to your point, if you have awful cancer stage and you are near death and you are in a hospice and you test positive for covid during that process, then you are counted as a covid death. So all of these numbers to me seem to be substantially out of whack.

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