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L.A. Unmasked: Newsom, Celebs Enjoy NFC Championship Game

31 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, I am so fired up about this. I watched the NFC and the AFC Championship Games, as I know probably 50 million of you did as well. This will be the second and the third biggest television audience for anything in all of the country and NFC Championship game was between the San Francisco 49ers and the L.A. Rams. By the way, congratulations Cincinnati Bengals and the Rams for advancing to the Super Bowl, which will be played in a couple of weeks.

I’ll be in L.A., by the way, all next week, which should be its own interesting story. But who knows where I’ll be allowed to go and what I’ll be allowed to do since I’m unvaccinated. But there were tons of celebrities inside of SoFi Stadium in L.A. And we’ve got a big audience of people right now listening in L.A. And many of those people listening in L.A. and all over the state of California have probably — because it’s a little after 9 a.m. on the West Coast — recently dropped their children off at school, put ’em on the bus.

And those kids are being required all over the state of California to wear masks both indoors and outdoors at school. They go outside for recess right now, Buck; they have to have masks on. That’s the rule according to dictator governor Gavin Newsom. Well, guess who, Buck, was in a-high-end suite at SoFi Stadium posing for pictures, not a mask to be seen? None other than California governor Gavin Newsom.

In at least one of those pictures, he’s posing alongside former L.A. Lakers star Magic Johnson who, by the way, has HIV and you would think would be one of those individuals who would potentially be susceptible to covid more so than your average person, given his health-related condition. Gavin Newsom is right now forcing all of our California listeners with kids in school that their kids have to have masks on, and he’s not willing to wear a mask while he goes to a football game.

SoFi Stadium — surrounded by over 70,000 people — in California, not wearing it. By the way, they flashed during the game tons of Hollywood celebrities, the people who have been wagging their finger at you about how you have to respect covid; they weren’t wearing their masks, either. Next week in L.A. is going to be the Super Bowl, and I believe it is going to be the Super Bowl of all hypocrisies, Buck, because there are gonna be parties galore and all of the famous people who’ve been telling you that you have to wear a mask, you have to respect the virus, guess what? They’re not gonna be wearing masks for any of these events because they are fraudulent, hypocritical liars.

BUCK: So now we have a place where the left is talking about more openly — the Democrats, the apparatus, is talking more openly — about offramps for masking kids in school. Even the New York Times wrote about this recently, and I want to be very clear about this because what Clay has established here for the… I don’t know, Clay, is this the hundredth time we’ve been on the show talking about either some big politician or celebrity with some form of covid hypocrisy?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: We know that the lockdowners are just awash in constant covid hypocrisy, and it’s “rules for thee, not for me.” It’s, “Oh, Gavin Newsom signs a mask mandate,” as we all recall, “for the whole state,” and then goes within, I think, 24 hours to the actual fanciest restaurant in many people’s minds in America for an indoor dining experience galore, just going all out.

Now we’re seeing that this is the full-scale propaganda effect after almost two years where it doesn’t even matter to them anymore. It’s just good people/bad people. Now as a leftist, right, they would say, “I say it doesn’t matter what the science is telling us right now. It’s what I’m supposed to say in this moment in time so that I can be part of the good team, the good people, the smart people.”

This is gonna be all over the place the Super Bowl. You know this, right? There are gonna be photos, and they always do this thing, “I just took the mask off for the photos.” Bullcrap, liars — and first of all, the virus doesn’t say, “Oh, oh, cool. The mask is only down for the photos. We don’t spread when the mask is down for photos,” and, as we know, masks don’t do anything meaningful anyway.

Can I just add to that before I get fact checked? The most recent article I saw in the New York Times — I think it was the editorial section, to be fair — was they think masks, cloth masks maybe reduce about 10% of aerosols. Oh, wow. We’ve gone from “wear a mask and you’re safe” to “maybe a 10% reduction.” But here’s, Clay, what I want to say about this, ’cause as you said, N95s in schools for children, they’re talking about off ramps.

We can’t let them have the off ramp they want because what the apparatus wants, what the Democrat Party wants is, “Oh, we were always based in science, and now we’re willing to give children — at some indeterminate point in the future — the ability to breathe normally back.” We have to crush their stupid lies. We have to actually now make them face up to what they’ve done to the hypocrisy but also to the anti-science lunacy, and they have to pay. They have to pay in the midterms, but they have to pay in public as well with the humiliation of their arguments being dissected for the stupid garbage that they actually are.

CLAY: Yeah, and I’m glad you’re bringing that up because there are going to be a lot of people who say, “Well, they’re finally going to end up where they should have been for much of the past two years,” and that’s because the political pressure is out there. This is why I’ve been saying, Buck. I fully expect, come May or June… I fully expect for Joe Biden — maybe he’ll save it for July 4th like he tried to do this past year — to come out and say, “We’re ending all covid regulations because we’ve beaten covid thanks to all of our leadership and thanks to all the people out there who listened!

“We have finally managed to make covid something that we’re all able to live with and we have to return to normalcy.” That’s the pivot. He’s going to have to make at some point in the summer. He’s gonna try to declare victory against covid, and that’s going to be what he tries to ride into the midterm as, “I’m Joe Biden. I conquered covid. I told you that I was going to do it,” and we can’t allow that to happen because there have to be consequences, Buck, for bad public policy decisions.

Otherwise, what’s the point of public policy at all? If you say defund the police and the murder rate skyrockets all over the country and we have a 20-year high in police murders, and then you quietly increase funding for police and try to argue that you’ve solved the issue, no. You can’t create the failure, you can’t create the disastrous situation, and then take credit when you step back from the edge of the abyss and claim that you solved this issue.

BUCK: Isn’t it also fascinating to see how open they are about they will have discussions now in certain circles in the left, New York Times, CNN…? You know, Dr. Wen can go on CNN or Dr. Osterholm can go on CNN. There are people who are allowed to say things that you and I and this audience — let’s be honest — they’ve known the whole time, too. We’ve known has been true. But they cannot allow for their hands to be off the levers of power because they recognize the moment that they’re no longer in this position to enforce the pseudo-consensus of, “The science is settled…” Remember you don’t hear that so much anymore, Clay, do you, right? Remember when the science was settled all the time?

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: Because Fauci himself has had to evolve on the settled science about every two months for the last 18 months. About every two to three months there’s some major, “It turns out there’s new data and I am science, and I change with the…” We’ve seen all this happening. At a certain point, people realize this is just crazy now. I mean, this has become… They hate the term “mass formation psychosis,” so I like to use it, of course, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: When it agitates… This is Sun Tzu: “If it agitates your enemy, keep doing it.” They always say that’s not a real thing. No, it is a real thing because at this point how else can you explain — and I see this in New York, Clay, and I’m sure it’s happening in L.A., too, with Gavin Newsom — adults unmasked walking hand in hand with children. In some cases, children are old enough to be vaxxed but in some cases not. But with children who were masked up. How can anyone explain that as something other than this is now a fashion for liberals. It’s fashionable to mask up your kid and not yourself, ’cause you want to breathe normally.

CLAY: Yes. And what’s interesting about this, Buck — as you well know — is you couldn’t say where the virus came from. It had to be zoonotic. Couldn’t argue that it had come out of a lab even though the data now reflects that it’s most likely to have come out of a lab. Couldn’t say masks didn’t work. Couldn’t say the virus didn’t keep you from getting and spreading covid. By the way, our left-wing loon to the north, Justin Trudeau, also now has covid in the middle of this trucker rally and fight and battle for freedom, which we’re gonna give a lot of attention to during the course of this show.

All of these things that were settled science, Dr. Fauci, “Mr. I am the science.” I mean, think about it. We aren’t still allowed to even interview Senator Rand Paul, who is a doctor, and have him analyze the current covid situation because it challenges conventional wisdom. Conventional wisdom has been wrong about virtually everything since covid started.

Maybe what we needed is more challenging of conventional wisdom, more analysis of actual data, and less experts trying to tell us exactly what to do before they flip the advice that they gave us completely on its head — and then, Buck, try and claim that they’ve never actually changed anything. That’s the wild thing. They’ve moved the goalpost and try to tell you that nothing has happened, nothing has changed.

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Adam Carolla Tells Clay & Buck How We Fight Cancel Culture

31 Jan 2022

CLAY: Welcome in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Joined now by Adam Carolla of the Adam Carolla Show, the most downloaded podcast. If you’re in the Orange County area this Sunday, he’s got a comedy special for The Daily Wire with special guest stars William Shatner and Dennis Quaid. That’s pretty cool. You can pick up tickets at AdamCarolla.com. Adam, I mean, you think you’re doing a show with those two dudes, but they might cancel on you given that everybody’s getting canceled left and right. Are you confident they’re gonna be there?

CAROLLA: Oh, yeah, the show will go on — and, you know, something that just popped into my head as I was listening to the music that was playing that’s the Pretenders, obviously. Rush always used that song, and I talked to Chrissie Hynde, the lead singer of the Pretenders years ago. I interviewed her and I said, “How about the fact…?” And just hold this up against Neil Young and what’s going on today. I said, “You’re very liberal and left wing.” She said, “Yes.” “How about the fact that Rush Limbaugh uses your music as his intro music every episode?” And she said, “Yeah, that’s fine.”

CLAY: It is interesting how we’ve gotten there, right?

CAROLLA: Right.

CLAY I mean, from total understanding that you might not always agree to you’ve got to be canceled.

CAROLLA: Yes.

BUCK: Hey, Adam, it’s Buck.

CAROLLA: And it’s driven by one side. Yeah.

BUCK: I just want to ask you, you have access to a lot of folks, you’ve been in the game of entertainment and you have Hollywood friends and everything. We just had Bill Maher — we played the audio; I’ve done that show a couple times — and Bill is a man of the left who is essentially saying, there is a real contingent on the left that is really driving a lot of these conversations about cancellation and about “misinformation” now. You hear this from the pulpit of the White House and the West Wing, too, but he’s essentially saying the left has gone insane. Are you hearing that in back channel from celebrities and people in that world that you know? Are they recognizing that the men can get pregnant line or the emoji that’s just come out, this has just gone too far?

CAROLLA: I think there’s a problem here, which is it’s all coming from people they voted for, and they just can’t admit that they voted for the wrong people. So, there’s a kind of a silence. There’s not an agreement, because sane people can’t agree with what they’re saying. But there’s more of just an overall silence because it’s their team that’s doing this.

CLAY: Adam, you’ve been doing your podcast for a long time. Joe Rogan now is under fire. We saw Dave Chappelle under fire for his comedy special recently. You know, in thinking about this, those guys feel like they’re big enough to be uncancelable. How do we come through the cancel culture era? Can we? Where do you see this thing going?

CAROLLA: Well, first off, as I’ve said for years: No apologies. Apologies get you nowhere. That doesn’t prevent anyone from being canceled. They’re still working under a playbook that some publicist put together from 2001, where you just read a prepared statement, apologize, and then you get to go back to your job. Apologies used to stop you from being canceled. They no longer stop you from being canceled. They just give momentum to the side that feels emboldened in terms of canceling. So you’ll notice the second everyone stops apologizing is the second it goes away.

BUCK: Adam, do you think that comedy has an opportunity here to make a comeback? You do political commentary, but you’re a comedian, I think, it’s fair to say, foremost perhaps, or at least for a long time. Do you think that there will be comedy making a comeback as people realize that if you can’t make jokes that offend anybody, you really can’t make jokes so this can’t go on forever in the way that it’s been going in this country?

CAROLLA: Yeah, I agree — and I’ve always said once they get to the comedians it means they got to everybody because the comedians are sort of the last to fall. But I was surprised and disappointed how many comedians just shut up and were scared for their livelihood as well. I do think there’s gonna be a backlash. I feel like you’re already seeing it. And the left overplayed their hand, and they lost guys like Bill Maher, and they’ve lost the Joe Rogans, and they’ve lost… They’ve lost a lot of champions on their side because they’ve overplayed their hands. And I know it’s gonna come back and bite them, and it already has.

CLAY: Adam, when you were doing The Man Show and when you were doing Loveline, do you ever go back…? First of all, those shows were amazing. And Buck and I sometimes say the late nineties and early 2000s were kind of like the best time in American history, because it felt like everybody was pretty much getting along. And the culture reflected that in terms of what was being produced. What percentage of the jokes that you guys made on The Man Show and/or on Loveline back in the day would be allowed to be aired today?

CAROLLA: Well, I think the real insidious part of this whole thing isn’t “the man” silencing. It’s people editing themselves. There would have been a lot of, “Oh, this is funny, but we can’t do it. I wish I could say this, but we can’t do it.” You know, that’s the insidious part. The insidious part is when the artists actually self-censor, like they have an opinion but they don’t want to give it. ‘Cause that’s really the silence you’ve been hearing lately. It’s not Comedy Central or the internet or tweets or whatever. It’s people silencing themselves. That’s the scary part, and that probably would have been something that took place in this culture right now if it was around — if The Man Show was around — now.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Adam Carolla of the Adam Carolla podcast and also you can go to AdamCarolla.com to pick up tickets for his Daily Wire special with William Shatner and Dennis Quaid which is coming up, taping it this Sunday. Adam, you’re in California. I’m a New Yorker, born and raised, and have never been as disappointed in my hometown and city as I’ve been with the leadership and honestly the reactions of a lot of people during covid and what they’ve been willing to not just go along with, but police others to make happen.

You have a lot of volunteer Mask Stasi walking around New York City, for example, making sure that everyone’s, you know, behaving and doing whatever Fauci says. Is California…? I mean, Clay started out the show today talking about Gavin Newsom at one of the big football games — I don’t know which one, Clay, but one of the games.

CLAY: 49ers-Rams out in L.A. this weekend.

BUCK: One of the important ones with many of the people watching —

CLAY: (laughs)

BUCK: — where Gavin Newsom didn’t have a mask on for the photo and, you know, it’s like the millionth time we’ve seen this. We’re not pretending this is new or different. But are Californians waking up to this is crazy, like the ones that didn’t know it was crazy in the beginning? Like, what’s your sense? Are they done with Fauciism?

CAROLLA: God, I hope so. But, you know, we just had an attempt at a recall for Gavin Newsom, and it didn’t work at all. So this is a bunch of idiot Californians that while they’re starting to slowly wake up to it, they’re still voting for guys like Newsom — guys that, you know, subscribe to lockdown. You know, I was saying to Dr. Drew the other day, I said, “You know, Sweden went one route as it pertained to dealing with covid, and China went the other route, and California followed China rather than Sweden.” Just think about that concept.

CLAY: That is pretty wild to contemplate, and I was gonna build on what Buck was saying there. So Gavin Newsom’s in SoFi Stadium; he’s posing alongside of Magic Johnson — a guy who has a few health related conditions in his background, by the way — and he’s not wearing a mask. Yet kids everywhere are required to wear masks. Next week is the Super Bowl in L.A.

Are we gonna go off the hypocrisy meter scale even, Adam, based on what you’re hearing about the number of celebrities that are gonna be at big parties celebrating the Rams going up against the Bengals out there in L.A.? I just… I can’t even hardly pictures are gonna be out there of the rich and famous totally defying every mask-related rule, every covid-related rule for most of next week.

CAROLLA: Well, you know, they’re all such narcissists and they have short memories and they do revisionist history. You know, going back to the Bill Maher clip. The real Bill Maher clips to look at over the last several months is Bill Maher saying things that you guys have said and saying things that I say every day and his audience clamping! So Bill Maher goes, “Hey, we gotta reel it back. We gotta reel it in with these Draconian covid laws,” and his audience is clapping. This is the same group that was cheering on Fauci and mask mandates and vaccine passports 10 minutes ago! So they have no ability to look in the rearview mirror and admit, maybe they got something wrong.

BUCK: Yeah. No, there’s no willingness whatsoever to be honest about not only that they were wrong, but also who was right, Adam, to your point about how what you’ve been saying, what Clay and I have been saying here for… I mean, Clay and I had our first interview together when we had different radio shows, I think it was in April of 2020, and have been saying things that now the New York Times editorial page is writing. And it’s like, “Well, who cares about who was right and who was wrong?”

We care actually on this show. We know you do too. Just if there’s reason for hope right now, Adam, if you’re gonna give it to people for, you know, across the whole country. I mean, you know you’re a Californian but you speak to the whole national audience here. Do you think that enough people have figured out about the lunacy that’s going on, that there’s gonna be a big repudiation at least politically at the end of the year and that could lead to some real freedom and some good things happening?

CAROLLA: I hope so. You know, I sent out a tweet a few months ago that said, “I’ve learned nothing about how viruses work in the last two years, but I learned everything about how government works.”

BUCK: Amen.

CLAY: That’s well said. Hey, I hope so to see you next week out in L.A. You gonna be in town?

CAROLLA: Oh, yeah!

CLAY: All right. Let’s grab a beer.

CAROLLA: Come say hi, Clay. Let’s do it, man.

CLAY: For sure. That’s Adam Carolla.

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The Blue Check Quest to Censor Rogan Might Be Working

31 Jan 2022

BUCK: Right now, we’ve got a serious fight over censorship underway, and here’s what we have on this show: An unsinkable aircraft carrier of free speech. But we are conservatives. Clay and I come from a conservative perspective on these issues, and so while the left wants to defame and destroy us, we’re across the other side of the ideology battlefield from them and there’s certain things that they can and can’t manage as a result of that.

But when someone from their own side starts to break with the consensus, they get even more upset — or even someone who is just, you could say, a centrist, a moderate, someone who may be able to speak from within the tent of the Democrat Party in some way or the socialist Democrat Party, however you want to frame it. Joe Rogan has one of the biggest podcast audiences, probably the biggest podcast audience of any show out there right now. I’ve listened before. Sometimes it’s a great show.

And he does something that is these days remarkably rare, which is have on different points of view and ask questions. By the way, Clay and I would love to have some Democrats. I say this. We say this. We’d have Fauci on in a heartbeat, and I would be respectful and ask him real questions. I know I’ve been very critical of him publicly, but he’s a public figure. He should be able to take the heat. We would love to have people on.

They usually won’t come on conservative shows. With very few exceptions, you will only get conservatives who will come on conservative shows. But people of all different ideological perspectives go on the Rogan show. And so what happens is he has been willing to break with the consensus on some aspects of covid policy just by virtue of having questions, putting questions out there to experts, including recently shows he did with, what, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Malone.

I listened to the Malone show. I didn’t listen to the McCullough show yet. But he says a lot of things also or brings up things that we talk to Alex Berenson on this show about. Bottom line, folks, he’s searching for answers, and that’s really appealing at a time when the left is just an all-out propaganda machine.

And it’s also really interesting to watch as some artists from the past who are supposedly counterculture or part of the rebellious culture of, I guess, the sixties and seventies — Joni Mitchell now and Neil Young — have said, “Take our music off of Spotify,” which is Joe Rogan’s home or his podcast’s “or else take Joe Rogan off.” Well, they haven’t taken Joe Rogan off. They took Neil Young’s music off ’cause who cares. But Joe Rogan had to say this to kind of clarify things, and Clay and I want to analyze it. Play it. 23.

ROGAN: The problem I have with the term “misinformation,” especially today, is that many of the things that we thought of as misinformation just a short while ago are now accepted as fact. I do not know if they’re right. I don’t know, because I’m not a doctor; I’m not a scientist. I’m just a person who sits down and talks to people and has conversations with them. Do I get things wrong?

Absolutely I get things wrong. But I try to correct it because I’m interested in telling the truth. I’m interested in finding out what the truth is and I’m interested in having interesting conversations with people that have differing opinions. I want to thank Spotify for being so supportive during this time, and I’m very sorry that this is happening to them and that they’re taking so much heat from it.


BUCK: Why are they taking heat, Clay? What the heck’s going on here? We know what’s going on here.

CLAY: This, to me, is a battle that is going to be become all too common, and we know it has happened over the past several years. If you get outside the line of acceptable discourse, then instead of engaging in debate, left-wing elements in this country try to cancel you. They decide that what you are saying is too contrary to what they believe, and so they believe that you should be deplatformed; they don’t believe that you should be able to speak to an audience.

Here is what I find fascinating — and I tweeted about this last night. If I were Joe Rogan, I would want to get fired at this point by Spotify, because let me just kind of tell you the truth here. I am never going to be someone who is going to grovel and beg to be… I’m not saying Joe Rogan’s doing that yet. But I’m not going to be someone who is ever going to grovel and beg and say, “Oh, please distribute my content. Oh, please allow me to talk to the audience that we have built and that exist for any shows that we do.”

I’ll never do it, and I wonder what advice Joe Rogan is getting here because if Spotify fired him, I think it would be the best thing that could possibly happen to his career. And let me explain, maybe in a counterintuitive way, what I mean by this. As soon as he gets fired by Spotify, they, first of all, probably have to pay him out on the existing contract that he has now. And that is because I would presume — I didn’t write that contract for him or negotiate it.

But I would presume that he has the ability to choose the topics and guests that he wants as a part of signing on with Spotify, just like Buck and I do, right? You probably wouldn’t sign a contract, Buck — I know I wouldn’t sign a contract — if they said, “Hey, you don’t have the right to pick the guests that come on your program and you don’t have the right to pick the topics that exist on your program.”

Now, we are very fortune, Julie Talbott is incredible, our boss at Premiere. She’s been our boss for a long time. That’s why we’re here, okay? Spotify is in an interesting spot to me because if they fire Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan goes out and creates his own platform, his own media. His audience is big enough now, Buck, that they will follow him wherever he goes. I work at Fox. I would say if I were running Fox and Joe Rogan got fired?

I would say, “Joe Rogan, you’re now the front man for Fox Nation, our digital streaming arm. We’re gonna stream every one of your shows. People will sign up to be subscribers to Fox Nation, they’ll get access to everything, including Joe Rogan.” If he wanted to start his own company, I think he could go direct to the masses.

BUCK: That’s all true, Clay, but don’t you worry that if they can…? If they’re willing to fire — which they are not, I don’t think, right? I don’t think either of us think that’s gonna happen. But the whole point here is left wants to break Rogan. They don’t want him to be able to reach the people he reaches, and so you’re right that professionally and in terms of his career.

CLAY: I think he’s uncancelable.

BUCK: They’re trying to cancel him, though, is the point.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They’re trying to show that they can even at that level get somebody to — and remember, it’s not always as clear as just canceled or uncanceled. You know what they’re doing now. They’re putting up these disclaimers —

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: These disclaimers that say, “For more covid information…” I’m sure you’ve had this on social media. I’ve had this on social media every day pretty much now.

CLAY: Yeah. (laughing)

BUCK: Has any person in the history of internet ever seen a Clay or Buck or anyone else who agrees with us on any of this stuff “Go to the CDC for more information,” and actually been like, “I’m gonna go to CDC!” (laughing) It doesn’t happen.

CLAY: They might accidentally click.

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: No one intentionally clicks.

BUCK: They’re doing this the way a Mafioso who’s running a protection racket walks into your business and says, “Nice business. Be a shame if something happened to it.” It’s a constant reminder that you’re being watched, and it’s meant to undermine your content. They’re now doing that to Rogan. So even though he hasn’t been crushed, they’re trying to restrain him, pull him in — and at that level, and they’re saying it’s “misinformation”? Clay, what is the misinformation? Notice they never establish what the misinformation is. They just use this term.

CLAY: And I think it’s so interesting. So I would analogize this a little bit to Dave Chappelle, right? Dave Chappelle who was the last guy who was really in the firing line in the same way for his comedy special, and Netflix stood behind Dave Chappelle over transgender jokes that transgender people didn’t like, and that kind of went away, right? So what I think is intriguing here is this kind of ties in with YouTube knocking down our interview with Rand Paul.

Why are you responsible, Buck, and me and anybody else out there who’s conducting an interview? Why are we responsible for what guests on our program say? I think that’s a really interesting question that almost no one is asking. If you ask a question of someone and they say an answer that people decide is unacceptable, why is the person who asked the question responsible? You can say, “Well, you should have never booked that guest.”

But the guest that he is booking or the guests that we are booking are… I mean, these are doctors. It’s not as if he’s just bringing in some random guy with his own, you know, vaccine he’s just in the garage. (laughing) I mean, these are guys who are very well-established experts. Now, they may have a difference of opinion, but that’s what science is about, Buck. Science is about conflicting opinions until the hard kernel of truth emerges. That’s what the entire scientific method is designed to do.

BUCK: And we’ve experienced this for roughly now the last two years. My friends, we are now a couple of weeks away — a few weeks away — from two years since Two Weeks to Stop Spread.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Just so we all understand exactly where we are. We’re very close here to Two Weeks to Stop Spread, two years in, and they’ve been wrong so many times, and what they always do is with the Fauciites and the rest say is, “Oh, the information, the data evolved,” and we have been sitting here the whole time saying, “Right. You don’t know where the data will be, so stop pretending like you do,” but they keep doing this.

They’re making judgment calls and they’re pretending it is fact, and that conflation is central to the left these days. They absolutely believe in not just deplatforming but government and private sector collusion and censorship, right? They want to actually make sure — the White House is openly saying, they want to shut down certain points of view. And this notion that they can enforce a consensus here and that that’s going to be healthy for America.

They always talk about the sanctity of our democracy and all this stuff. They really think that the government should determine what are acceptable points of view to have, on public policy matters. We’re not sitting around talking about whether the earth is flat or not, but it’s fascinating. Free speech advocates — true free speech advocates — will say, “No, we should hear from the flat-earther. Let them expose themselves.”

And, by the way, let everybody who hears it learn and understand why they’re wrong instead of just saying, “Shut up! Go in the corner! You’re not allowed to speak.” Why is the sky blue? People should actually know this. They should actually have an understanding of what the argument is or what the reasoning behind it is and not just shut up, this is reality.

And let’s remember, the people who are telling you to shut up right now, folks, they’re not “the sky is blue people.” They’re the “men can get pregnant” people. They’re actually the… That makes it even more pernicious what’s going on. They’re actually pushing falsehood under the guise of absolute truth, and this is how you get closer and closer to a totalitarian society. I’m sorry, but that’s where we are.

CLAY: We need to keep talking about this, I think, because censorship is not a sign of strength. I want to build on that idea. Just think about this for a minute: Censorship is not a sign of strength. Think about it for a minute.

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CLAY: Here’s why I’m still a little bit optimistic. So as we went to break, I said, “Censorship is ultimately a sign of weakness,” and what I mean by that is, when you are — unless you become a totalitarian state, which I understand the fear of that. But when you are censoring someone or something, you are creating to me a sign of weakness as opposed to strength.

So I believe that we’re in an interesting spot now where, if Joe Rogan were, quote-unquote, “canceled” by Spotify and they fired him and they had to pay out whatever they have to pay out and he started his own media company, I think his audience would grow and become even more loyal than it is today, and he would then create his own direct competitor with Spotify, probably make more money and create — and that’s assuming he wanted to create his own business.

If he didn’t, I would say Fox should say, “Hey, Fox Nation is about speaking truth,” even though the audience might not be a direct overlap. Put him on a streaming service there, put his entire show behind a pay wall, sign up everybody who wants to see or listen to it. And the reason why I bring all this up is, I think these gatekeepers, these Blue Checkmark Brigade members who are trying to determine what is and is not permissible to be said on a day-to-day basis, are going to lose in the long run — and maybe even in the short run quickly — here, because authenticity is more important than anything.

And a lot of these Blue Check Brigade members, Buck — you know this — they don’t have any actual audience. Nobody watches CNN. Nobody really watches MSNBC. The people who are policing others are oftentimes the least influential in terms of their own audience in the entirety of the media culture, and so I think they’re not as strong as they think. I wish, honestly, Rogan would fight back against them more.

BUCK: Let me ask you, Clay: Do you feel like in the Rogan…? Do you feel like he was walking back and trying to calm things down a little bit? Because it was not defiant.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Right? I think that he first.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: So I think that if we’re seeing what kind of influence the left can bring to bear, a guy who’s got a $100 million contract and the biggest contract in the country feels the need to make a video where he’s like, “Look, I’m not crazy. We’re just trying to…” He didn’t say, “Blank all of you out there!” He’s not ride or die with the free speech thing. He’s saying, look — and, by the way, I’m not even… I’m not criticizing him.

I’m trying to just sigh that the pressure that they’re able to bring is such that he feels the need to clarify, because I don’t think he is like a free speech absolutist or somebody who… I think he just wants to have open conversations. But for him to be able to continue doing that he has to say, “Look, I’m not putting many of you information intentionally on air. I’m not, you know…” Why does he have to say any of that?

CLAY: Here’s what I would want him to say — and you’re right, I do think — and that’s the fear of cancel culture in general, not just that it might cancel you but that it makes you afraid to say what you actually believe. And so what I wish he had said — frankly, what I would have said if I was in that position — is, “I’m not changing my show. If you don’t like my show…” I’m speaking at Joe Rogan, by the way, also would say it for our show.

“If you don’t like our show, if you don’t like my show,” if I’m Joe Rogan, “don’t listen. I’m not gonna change anything. I think what we’re doing is important. I think the conversations that we’re having are important, and obviously the marketplace agrees — and if you don’t like it, that’s fine.” I don’t… The thing that’s so frustrating to me about cancel culture is it’s mostly made up of people who don’t consume a product insisting that no one else should be able to.

BUCK: But you also have to remember, Clay, they don’t have to burn down all the villages to send a message to everybody else, if you know what I mean. If Spotify is willing to fire — which I don’t think they are, to be clear. I think you’re right in that he’s too big for Spotify to cancel. But they’re putting a lot of pressure on him. But you look at other podcasters. You look at people that aren’t worth a $100 million because of their podcasts. Does anyone think that they’re gonna want to join the revolution of truth and honesty and justice in their podcast, or they gonna toe the Fauci line?

CLAY: What I would hope, Buck, is that Rogan would start his own company and hire a ton of those people, and then they would start to kick Spotify’s ass ’cause the marketplace ultimately decides.

BUCK: That sounds like a good plan to me.

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Poll: 76% Disagree with Biden’s SCOTUS Quota

31 Jan 2022

CLAY: We called it the Bidas touch, Buck: Everything that Joe Biden touches turns to crap, whether it is the border, whether it is everything surrounding covid, whether it is the inflation rate and the economy, whether it is Afghanistan, maybe whether it’s Ukraine. Basically everything that Biden could do that he’s involved with, he makes worse. And this is interesting.

He’s finally got his Supreme Court opportunity to make an appointment to replace Justice Stephen Breyer, and I saw this stat from ABC News over the weekend: 76%, Buck, of the American public disagrees with Joe Biden choosing to name a black woman to the Supreme Court based on her race and sex in advance before we even know who that woman is. Now, that doesn’t mean that they’re opposed to the idea of a black woman on the Supreme Court.

Just that, Buck, I would say in general, there are probably a hundred people that are qualified to be Supreme Court justices based on their educational background, based on their jurisprudence, based on the jobs that they have held. Let’s say there are a hundred people — and the audience may be broader than a hundred, but let’s say there’s a hundred. Roughly 50 of those are Republican potential nominees, 50 of those are Democratic potential nominees.

So, if Joe Biden did what Donald Trump did, which was put out a list of potential nominees that he was going to consider… I love that idea. I think it’s one of the best things that Trump did, because it let people know, “Hey, these are the guys and girls that are going to be in the running to become a Supreme Court justice if an opening occurs,” which obviously was occurring because of Scalia in that election, right?

“If this occurs, these are the people I’m gonna consider.” If Joe Biden, Buck, had come out with a similar list, let’s say he narrowed it down to 20 and he had black, white, Asian, Hispanic, people on that list, and he ended up selecting a black woman, I don’t think anybody would have said that it was an issue at all. But when you say specifically, “I am going to put a black woman on the Supreme Court,” 76% of Americans disagree with that.

And, remember, even in 2020 California voters shot down the idea of using race as it pertains to college admissions. So in a 50-50 country, Buck, to get 76% of people disagreeing with Biden’s pre-existing quota that he’s going to put a black woman on, that he’s only going to consider black women, that he’s not going to consider 94% of the overall population, this is the Bidas touch one more time, Buck. He’s even blown it on his Supreme Court pick based on the criteria that he put in place.

BUCK: In doing what Biden has done here — and you analyzed this well last week when we were discussing this — he actually upsets everybody except people in this country who explicitly want a racial entitlement state, which, as I’ve said, I believe an Alito line from a pretty recent Supreme Court decision on the issue of affirmative action. Effectively, yeah, we’re going to make determinations as a country, as a society about who gets what based upon skin color — I mean, based upon your actual skin color — because of historical wrongs or because of disparate impact or any number of theories that the left uses to justify what is really the clearest example that you can think of right now of the violation of equal protection under the law.

There is no such thing as equal protection under the law if some people get some things because they are a certain skin color or a certain ethnicity, religion, whatever the case may be. The left has gotten away with this for a long time by playing this game. Remember, no quotas, can’t have quotas. What they do is they say, “We have a holistic practice here.” The holistic practice they use for college admissions at a place like Harvard — which is gonna be at the forefront now because of the Supreme Court case that has been brought, ’cause Harvard is a…

Remember, it’s not just that Harvard explicitly penalizes Asian-American and Asian students, ’cause obviously people from all over the world will apply. Bbut Asian-American applicants. The way they penalize them, Clay, there was a lot — and this is in the court documents. This is a matter of record. Somehow a lot of Asian applicants, the Harvard admissions committee says, “Well, lacks personality” or “lacks leadership.” They come up with these kinds of amorphous, subjective criteria to knock them down and not take them.

It’s so blatant, so obvious what they’re doing. So to your point about the Bidas touch and what Biden did here, he made explicit what usually the left allows some gray area and wiggle room with. When you say, “I will only hire a person who fits in this category,” not only are you violating equal protection — and not only are you clearly engaged in, let’s just say it, discrimination, folks — that is, if I own a house and I say, “I will only rent my house to people who are from the South Pacific,” that’s discriminatory.

You can’t do that. But with Biden, he’s also upset a large portion, I think, of Democrat voters who realize this makes it seem like you would not have whoever this black Supreme Court justice — female Supreme Court justice — will be were it not for this pre-existing promise which undermines them on the bench in a way that upsets the left too. So that’s why I think he’s kind of made everybody who’s paying attention agitated by this. But it’s interesting ’cause at the time, politically — when he needed to win South Carolina — this was considered an astute move.

CLAY: Yeah, and I think that’s significant, by the way, Buck. Not only has he undermined his own candidate, this woman, it’s gonna be the crowning moment of her career. You get nominated to the Supreme Court, it is the absolute apex of any lawyer who has aspired to this role of their career, and many people are going to react to this by saying the only reason she’s getting this is because he limited his criteria to 6% of the population, to black women. This honestly may call into question… Alan Dershowitz, who is a pretty skilled constitutional lawyer, said this might be unconstitutional itself. Listen to this cut.

DERSHOWITZ: I think it may be unconstitutional. If he had said he was gonna appoint the first Muslim to the court, that would be unconstitutional ’cause the Constitution, Article VI, specifically provides that no religious test shall ever be required. I think the Fourteenth and Nineteenth Amendments also extend that to no racial or gender tests. Nobody should ever be excluded because they don’t fit a racial or gender criteria. To announce in advance no whites, no males need apply, brings us back to the days when the Supreme Court was an exclusively white male institution.

BUCK: Can I just say, last week when I said he couldn’t do this… If you were hiring a CFO for your huge company, you couldn’t say, “No white males, by the way; nobody except for black females allowed in this role.” People would recognize that as problematic. It just wouldn’t sit right, never mind even just the immediate legal implications.

You’d say, “Hold on a second. That’s not… You can’t really do that,” right? The same clearly is housing, the same thing, and now when you sit here; you say, “Shouldn’t this even be a higher standard of that application of principles?” The notion that you would say this for a Supreme Court seat? It’s actually outrageous, when you sit there and think more through it.

CLAY: Just think about what the reaction, Buck, would have been when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, if Donald Trump had come out and said, “I’m only considering white women to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg,” the left would have lost its mind. They would have lost their mind if Trump said that. So Biden says, “I’m only considering a black woman,” and it’s as if the same standard should not apply.

This is why I talk about principle over politics here. The same logic should apply. Flip it: Trump replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg with Amy Coney Barrett and saying before he even announced her, “It’s gotta be a white woman. That’s the only person that I’m considering.” That would have been an outrageous act, and Trump would have been dragged over the coals for it. Biden does it and people pretend on the left that it didn’t even happen.

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President Trump Stands Up for Canadian Truckers

31 Jan 2022

PRESIDENT TRUMP: The Canadian truckers — you’ve been reading about it —

CROWD: (cheers)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: — who are resisting bravely these lawless mandates are doing more to defend American freedom than our own leaders by far, and we want those great Canadian truckers to know that we are with them all the way.

CROWD: (cheers)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They are. They’re really showing something.

CLAY: That was Donald Trump down at a massive rely in Texas over the weekend. Gonna play the exact opposite of that statement. It’s interesting when you have 45 himself endorsing the Canadian truckers, and you have Justin Trudeau going off on them.

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CLAY: All right, so Justin Trudeau has got covid. I don’t think he’s come out yet. We gotta wait for this. I don’t think he’s officially said, “I’ve got covid, but thanks to the fact that I was double vaccinated and also quadruple boosted it wasn’t very much of an issue.” By the way, I think I’m around the same age as Justin Trudeau. I have not, however, ever dressed up in blackface for Halloween, which he has done multiple times, which probably means that I would be a better leader for Canada than he has been among many other reasons.

But! But! I also have had covid twice and did not get vaccinated and had no issues. So when he says the reason why he had no issues with covid, given that he’s relatively young and healthy, it’s because he’s relatively young and healthy. But, Buck, he just came out. You heard Trump endorsing all the Canadian truckers, and we love everybody out there all over the country and all over Canada who is listening. I bet a lot of those truckers are Clay and Buck listeners. Buck, this is what Justin Trudeau had to say about them just about an hour ago.

TRUDEAU: I have attended protests and rallies in the past, uhhh, when I agreed with the goals, when I supported the people, uhhh, expressing their concerns and their issues. Black Lives Matter is an excellent example of that. But I have also chosen to not go anywhere near protests that have expressed hateful rhetoric, violence towards fellow citizens, uhh, and a disrespect, uh, not just of science, but of, uhh, the front-line health workers and, quite frankly (snickers), the 90% of truckers who have been doing the right thing to keep Canadians safe, to put food on our tables.

BUCK: He’s just a liar!

TRUDEAU: Canadians know where I stand.

CLAY: Total liar.

BUCK: Can we just break apart some of the things he says here? And I’m sorry for our male audience that the estrogen levels are rising now for all of our male listeners for just having Justin Trudeau’s voice. This guy is the ultimate beta-male wimp, really, it’s just amazing, a man of the left who you look at this guy, you say, what is his problem? Why is he…? First of all, the fact that Canada elected this guy prime minister.

I love so many Canadians. It’s such a great place, so many great people. But, you know, eh, then again; we elected Joe Biden. So who are this country, how we gonna cast aspersions on anybody else? But I just feel like Canada deserves better than Justin Trudeau. But let’s just start for a second here with what he says about the violence, Clay — and remember, Justin Trudeau was a big BLM guy.

CLAY: He specifically cited the protests that he went to, and then evidently didn’t acknowledge that all of the BLM violence and protests associated with those? I mean, what violence and protests…? What danger am I missing from the Canadian trucker protest?

BUCK: Zero, and this is what’s so interesting. They’re already acting as though the prospect of some kind of violence from these truckers is enough to demean and undermine them, which you could do to anybody, right? You could say anything is possible.

CLAY: Any large protest has people who are going to misbehave in it.

BUCK: Yeah, any protest — and what’s fascinating is that, no, actually nothing like that has happened. It has been an entirely — not a mostly, the truckers have been an entirely — 100% peaceful protest so far. You would think that the left, whether in America or Canada, would support workers. But of course, all of a sudden political expediency throws that out the window. And his whole point that 90% of truckers have done the responsible thing?

Yeah, this is the old, “Give me your arm for the shot or I’m taking your job” routine. That’s not a question. That’s not something that should be a surprise to anybody. When you threaten force, you will often get your way. Compliance doesn’t indicate agreement in this case. Compliance is the result of their threats! That’s why 90% of truckers got it but 10% didn’t — and as everyone’s seeing, when truckers decide that there’s a problem, they can create huge problems for the economy whether in Canada or in the U.S.

CLAY: Yeah, and I empathize a great deal with the fact that, I guarantee you, a lot of those truckers who are protesting may well have acceded to the vaccine mandate because they have to make a living. They have to take care of their kids. They have to take care of their families. That is what I find to be so incredibly insulting about the argument. As you said, compulsion does not educate agreement. In fact, it oftentimes educates the exact opposite, and it infuriates me that they are citing the number of people who are being forced to get the vaccine in order to keep their jobs and put food on the table.

BUCK: And let’s remember the initial pitch from Biden himself and from Fauci. You go back to January of 2020 when the belief that the vaccines that they were going to roll out were covid enders, right? They believed — and they told us this — that, oh, my gosh. You get the shot; you’re done. Masks come off! It’s all over. As we found out, that’s not even vaguely, remotely the case. Right now, we’re on shot number three, maybe shot number four, and shots forever and the whole thing.

But, Clay, they were saying, “No, we don’t want to do mandates.” What changed? What changed is they didn’t get their way with everything. Biden said, “Oh, I don’t want to do mandates. We’re gonna convince people. We’re gonna tell them. We’re gonna…” No, because they’re authoritarians, because this is the mind-set of the progressive left, they have to control everybody, they’re neurotics that think that if government has absolute power over everyone and is doing what they want government to do, then we’ll be in a perfect safe and wonderful society. It’s exactly the opposite if you look at history.

But here we are now with Justin Trudeau trying to just openly smear these individuals — thousands and thousands of truckers — and it’s just a reminder, folks. They’re playing dirty all the time. These are dishonest people. Justin Trudeau is a dishonest liar. He’s gross, and so many Democrats in this country also constantly smear anyone who’s opposed to mandates. Just even the term “antivax,” that now means anti-mandate. They’ve changed the definition, Clay, officially so that they can smear everybody who’s opposed to mandates!

CLAY: And this is an important point as well. Biden went all in on the idea that if everybody was vaccinated covid would go away. Now, this was all of Biden went all in. Remember when Biden first took over in January of 2021, he said, “If people will just wear masks for a hundred days, covid would go away. ” That was one of his first pitches before covid vaccine was widely distributed. Then it turned into, “We have a pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

Well, both of those things are untrue, and you can look at the rates of covid vaccination in the NHL, the NBA, and the NFL, and see that covid didn’t go anywhere. In fact, new highs were set this year where we know we’ve got rapid testing and all-day testing of athletes. Way more people got covid this year post-vaccination than ever got covid when there was no vaccine at all. It’s crazy.

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Trudeau Tests Positive for Covid, Negative for Testosterone

31 Jan 2022

BUCK: Freedom convoys up in Canada making a lot of ground, taking more and more people along as it goes. You got big rigs. Pretty incredible footage of this. Big rigs, looks like hundreds of them, perhaps even more, and it’s amazing to see people standing up against what is really, in many ways, a more extreme approach even in Canada than you have here in the U.S.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — who, as you know, is a man firmly of the left — has just recently announced that he has tested positive for covid. Reports are that he is still testing negative for testosterone, but he is up there in Canada. He is kind of the prototypical. He is the ultimate man of the left in so many ways, and he’s saying it’s a fringe minority. Well, you’re also seeing, Clay, some reporting meant to immediately undermine this.

I read some of the BBC coverage and the CBC coverage — these British and Canadian broadcasting companies that are state-sponsored — who are saying, “Okay. So far, the Canadian truckers,” and so everyone understands, they’re protesting initially the cross-border mandate for vaccination. But they’re also now protesting mandates for vaccines nationwide, and they’re driving to Ottawa. They’ve been entirely peaceful. They have not caused any problem.

They’re already, Clay, starting to say, though, “Oh, it could be members of the right! They’re chattering online!” They immediately undermine what has been an entirely peaceful, pro-freedom movement of truckers — and we love our truckers. As Clay and I talk about, if you do radio, truckers are like your wingmen and wingwomen. They’re with you all the time, man.

They listen for hours at a time, and this been the case for me for decades, same with Clay. But, Clay, can I just play for you…? This is the Canadian Broadcasting Company, all right, the CBC — which I believe gets state funds kind of like our own PBS — and they actually are willing to say that the Freedom Convoy, maybe the Russians are behind this one, Clay. Play clip 3.

NIL KOKSAL: Given Canada’s support of Ukraine in this current crisis with Russia, I don’t know if it’s farfetched to ask, but — but there is concern that Russian actors could be continuing to fuel things as this protest grows, but perhaps even instigating it from the outset?

BUCK: This is the ultimate smear. Isn’t it amazing? Anything you don’t like — Canada, U.S. — if you’re a leftist, say, “It’s Russia!”

CLAY: What about the omnipresent belief in a Russian superiority that they could make this happen? They made the election of 2016 happen by spending a hundred thousand dollars or whatever the heck it was on Facebook, and now they have got tens of thousands of Canadian truckers to decide that they want to protest vaccine requirements. Why would Russia even benefit from this?

Why would Russia be focused on what Canadian vaccine mandates are or are not? Look, it’s crazy, Buck. I just found this out. We were talking about this off air. We’ve got an advertiser down in Colombia (not a drug dealer, an advertiser) and I was gonna go down there and visit with them, and I can’t get into Colombia because I’m unvaccinated, and I was looking the other day, because my wife lives in Michigan, and in the summer the hope is you can get on a boat.

Her dad literally lives across the river from Canada. You can stand on his dock and look across the river at Canada. It used to be common that you could get on a boat, you could go over to Canada, and you could call in, touch base. You can’t do that now! For two years, you haven’t been able to cross the river into Canada because of covid — and I’m unvaccinated. I’m not even able to go to Canada!

It used to be you’d be out for a night in Detroit, you might decide, “Hey, you know what? I’d like to go gamble. I’d like to stay up a little bit later before they had all the casinos in Detroit.” You’d drive across the Ambassador Bridge, all you could be was your driver’s license; you were good to go, could be a fun night out. The drinking age I think is 19 in Canada, if I’m not mistaken.

There’s lots of people in Michigan and along the border in New York that have made those trips over. You can’t even get across the border now, Buck. Did you see what happened with the soccer match? One of our players — who has got one vaccine shot and then got covid and is eligible to play in France — was not able to cross the border to go play in the U.S. and Canada World Cup-qualifying match. I didn’t even know what the rules were in Canada ’til I saw that.

BUCK: One of the reasons that the trucker convoy is getting so much support across not just Canada but here in the U.S., too, is because people realize that these mandates — particularly the cross-border mandate with the U.S. and Canada — is hurting us economically. It’s hurting people. Not the Zoom-from-home class, you know, ordering food with Uber and Netflix and everything else.

CLAY: Oh, of course.

BUCK: The people who can’t just sit there on the couch and Zoom in, people who have to keep the economy going literally moving in the case of the truckers. It’s hurting them, it’s hurting the price of goods and services, it’s hurting supply chain issues. And for what? For what? At what stage are they finally going to stop these completely unnecessary, self-inflicted economic wounds and it’s just fascinating. Justin Trudeau moved to a secure location, I think, now they’re saying because of quarantine. But, you know, whatever, right? I mean, I think he’s trying to avoid the reality of this political movement on his doorstep.

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Psaki Mocks the Concept of “Soft on Crime”

31 Jan 2022

BUCK: I will tell you that New York City is increasingly a place where everyone who lives there knows the crime thing is out of control. There’s often now violent stuff happening involving people that have long criminal histories that you feel like should have been taken off the streets a long time ago. Jen Psaki, though, and the elite lib consensus on this stuff — the apparatus of the Democrat Party — they’re out there trying to tell you (impression), “What are you even talking about? Like, what do you mean with crime? What is soft on crime? Excuse me, sir, like, I don’t even know what a soft-on-crime thing means. You mean soft like velvet is soft? Like, what do you even mean, sir?” Here’s Jen Psaki explaining what’s going on. Play it.

PSAKI: If you look at Fox on a daily basis, I mean, do you remember the four boxes that we had on all the TVs? So right now, just to give you a sense, there’s CNN: Pentagon as many as 8500 U.S. troops on heightened alert. True. Same on MSNBC. CNBC is doing their own thing about the market, and then on Fox is Jeanine Pirro talking about soft on crime consequences. I mean, what… (snickers) What does that even mean? Right? Um, so there’s just an alternate universe on some coverage. What’s scary about it is a lot of people watch that.

BUCK: Right. She’s listening to the alternate universe coverage, because everyone listening to this knows what soft on crime is. Every person with an IQ above that of a toaster knows what soft on crime means. It’s Democrat policies that result in criminals not getting arrested, not getting prosecuted, not being punished, back out on the streets, undermining police. We could go down the whole list. This isn’t complicated, Clay, and so you wonder. At some point, do they get some joy out of gaslighting us with their stupidity on these issues, or is she really just that silly, I mean that unserious as a person in America today?

CLAY: Well, it’s worth pointing out — and I don’t think it’s discussed enough — Fox News has more independent viewers than CNN and MSNBC, and some parts of the day it nearly has more Democrat-leaning viewers in terms of total audience. I mean, it is a destruction — and people all over America know exactly what that means. So a part of me, Buck, in all honesty, I don’t even necessarily know that she’s gaslighting, although I think there’s an element of that.

I really do believe that they don’t know what America really is. I think that’s one of the big issues with the Democratic Party now. They are so New York and L.A., so coastal based, that they don’t really understand what ordinary Americans are talking about. This is why I think it’s important that I’m based in Nashville and that so much of what I’ve done in the past has been about going around to college football stadiums, showing up for audiences of a hundred thousand in some of these small towns all over the country where a hundred thousand people show up to watch a football game.

They’re the Fox News viewer, and I think it is incredibly difficult to sometimes keep your hands wrapped around what the real world is like when you are hitting refresh constantly on your cell phone and only reading what left-wing blue checks are sharing and talking about on a day-to-day basis. They are clueless about what the larger American population is concerned about — and honestly, that’s why inflation, there’s no plan. That’s why there’s no plan on crime. That’s why there’s no plan, really, on covid and how to get back to normalcy, because they’re serving an artificial audience inside of their phones.

BUCK: It’s laughable that anybody who watches CNN or reads the New York Times these days religiously would think they have a grip on what affects normal Americans and what concerns them. They’re running constant stories about an insurrection that wasn’t even an insurrection that was a riot that’s not a concern for normal people day in and day out. I mean, what are they even talking about, Clay? They’re living in a… They want to talk about fantasyland? They’re creating daily fantasyland! But that’s why we’re here, folks. Reality. It’s a good place to be with Clay and Buck.

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Bill Maher Realizes the Left Has Gone Insane

31 Jan 2022

CLAY: Bill Maher traditionally was considered to be of the left. He now, on his politically incorrect show on HBO, has recognized what both you and I have talked about for some time, which is most insanity in America today is not emanating from the right at all. It’s coming from the left. They’ve lost their minds. Bill Maher, I really do think he’s been red pilled in some ways. You know hum better than I do, Buck.

And certainly when I say “red pill,” I don’t mean that you take a red pill and suddenly you are complete Republican Party dogma. I just mean on the big issues: Freedom, on sanity, on returning to normal life with covid, all of those things. (chuckling) Bill Maher has taken the red pill on those aspects, and listen here as he talks on his show on HBO about the way that left wingers are now responding to him for what he is saying about the insanity in our country.

MAHER: Let’s get this straight: It’s not me who’s changed. It’s the left who is now made up of a small contingent who’ve gone mental, and a large contingent who refuse to call them out for it. But I will! That’s why I’m a hero at Fox these days.

CROWD: (applause)

MAHER: Which shows just how much liberal have their head up their (bleep) because if they really thought about it, they would have made me a hero on their media.

CROWD: (applause)

MAHER: But that can’t happen in this ridiculous new era of mind-numbing partisanship where finger it real about the nonsense in the Democratic Party it makes me an instant hero to Republicans. People sometimes say to me, “Y’know, you didn’t… You didn’t used to make fun of the left as much.” Yeah, because they didn’t give me so much to work with.

BUCK: He’s right, by the way, in the sense that the left has gotten even crazier. I think there’s a lot to make fun of them, too, but we have now reached a stage where I think because of their cultural dominance but also the tech platform dominance, you’ve seen a lot… Technology has shown us much more of what the left-wing mind-set in this country really is. They’re not able to get away with the same pretense they used to. For example, journalists. Why is it that no person who pays attention now and has any judgment or honesty whatsoever sits around saying, “Well, you know, the New York Times and CNN and,” you know, the high —

It’s not me who’s changed.

CLAY: They really call it straight. Yes.

BUCK: — the high churches, yeah, “They’re just really calling it down the middle,” Clay. No one thinks that. It’s for a lot of reasons but one of the big ones is that all of the journos who work for those places during the Trump administration in particular were at 10 a.m. tweeting, “OMG, literal fascism coming for all of us! I’m shaking RN,” for right now. And then at 3 o’clock in the afternoon, they’re sitting at a press conference; they’re saying, “I’m just a journalist. I don’t have the opinions.”

And I’m like, “Oh, okay. So you’re a bunch of frauds.” With Big Tech, they’ve been able to push their advantage in the information-dissemination space such that we now see it’s just all warring propaganda machines, and they’re pushing their advantage. They are openly demanding that points of view — that end up being correct, by the way, in many instances, in many cases, talking about covid or the Hunter Biden laptop story — have to be shut down from public discourse. They are showing us that they are the authoritarians that we thought they were all along. Dare I say, they are the commies that I have been worried about.

CLAY: Well, and what I would say about social media in general over time, Buck, is it reveals who you are, which is what you’re saying about journalists. When we weren’t seeing their tweets every minute of every day all day long and they were just a byline in a newspaper, you didn’t really know much about the bylined person in the newspaper, right? As soon as you started seeing the way that they shared stories, the way that they behaved, the mask fell off, right, of claiming impartiality.

I think what also happened was — and this deserves probably a full book-length examination. This is good life advice in general: Be careful what you hate lest you become it in some way. And what I mean by that all of those Democrats, Buck, who were screaming that Donald Trump was a dictator-in-waiting, that he was an authoritarian… I think this is so, so important.

When Donald Trump had the greatest opportunity to take dictatorial powers maybe in any of our lives when covid arrived in March of 2020 in an election year, do you know what he did, Buck? He let every mayor and every governor make decisions about how to respond to covid in their particular jurisdictions, and then Joe Biden did the exact opposite when he came into his office. He immediately exerted federal power in a dictatorial bent.

And what interestingly happened was, Buck, the same journalists who have been talking about Donald Trump dictator cheered on the dictatorial impulses of Joe Biden as it pertained to covid. Trump was actually, in that moment — in that crucible instant when everyone was panicked. He was a federalist. He deferred to other forms of government to a degree in a Joe Biden would have never dreamed of.

BUCK: I think you can argue he deferred a little too much. (laughing)

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I think if anything.

CLAY: That is the criticism, but it’s the exact opposite criticism that we heard about Trump for four years.

BUCK: He was a little too laissez-faire about a lot of things including, you know, going along too long with Fauci and all the rest. I spoke to the president about this in the Oval back in May of 2020 and the one thing I remember — and I shook my hand on the way out. He wasn’t wearing a mask. I wasn’t wearing a mask.

CLAY: Of course not.

BUCK: We all knew at that point already. This was before vaccines, we were like, “Give me a break.” But I said, “Sir, no more lockdowns, no more of this madness, right?” He said, “Yeah.” So we would have been… He promised me on the way out of the Oval Office. We would have been such a different place if he had won that 2020 election. We would already be where we need to be which is covid’s here forever, we need to deal with it and move on with our lives and stop being crazy. Instead, we’re still in this fight and it’s pushed on by the insane left.

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Whoopi Goldberg Whitewashes the Holocaust

31 Jan 2022

BUCK: Let’s talk about The View for a moment here. This is Whoopi Goldberg explaining her view of what was behind the Holocaust in World War II. Listen to this. Play it.

BUCK: Okay, okay, this is… Enough. Enough. Enough. First of all, to say that the Nazi genocide of Jews and the Nazi genocide generally — six million Jews, 11 million people — if you go to the Holocaust Museum in D.C. (which I’ve been to a couple of times), this is all laid out for everyone there. It was so explicitly about race and about demonizing Jews as a race as well as other people that there was tremendous amounts of Nazi propaganda devoted specifically to that, Clay, as we all know. In fact, they also went after what are now known as Roma, which were known as Gypsies at the time.

They don’t like that term, but people often still think of it as Gypsies. Almost 90% of European Roma — again, a distinct race — were exterminated in the death camps. Jews were clearly exterminated to the tune of over six million of them unbelievably, horrifically murdered in the death camps,11 million people total. Does Whoopi Goldberg know anything? Why is she even talking about this?

CLAY: I don’t even know what her point was, right? The View oftentimes has stupid opinions. The difference, Buck, between what The View would argue and what we would argue is, when they have stupid opinions, we play their clip and we ridicule the stupidity of their opinions. But we don’t say Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar shouldn’t be able to be on television, right? We don’t say they shouldn’t be able to be on a broadcast or a podcast or anything else.

BUCK: We certainly don’t call for the White House, Clay, to speak from the White House podium and say that… Are they on ABC program? Is that right? I don’t even know.

CLAY: I think that’s a syndicated program that’s on. It’s a great question. I’m not even sure who produces it.

BUCK: But you and I certainly would never say let’s have the White House, because they’re spreading misinformation. I mean, to say the Holocaust is not about race and to undermine and to whitewash the evil of it in doing so, we would never still go and say that the White House should declare that their corporate or parent company should kick them off and not let them speak. No. We’ll say, “Look, she didn’t mean to…”

I understand this. I’m not gonna do what the left does. She wasn’t trying to be disrespectful. I know that. I actually know people who say Whoopi Goldberg is a very nice person. I’ll speak honestly about. They’ll say she’s a very nice lady in person. But she’s really wrong. But we should have the debate. We should have the discussion about wrongness and clarify this for people and not say, “You should never be allowed to speak in public again.”

CLAY: The cure for falsehood is accuracy. The cure for speech you disagree with, to me, has always been more speech. This was traditionally a very — and I hate getting involved in the spectrum of political beliefs. But the idea of a marketplace of ideas is a traditionally very liberal idea, and I don’t mean that in the sense of, like, “Oh, we have to, you know, have 70% tax rates and we have to have socialism,” things like that. I just mean the idea of the full flourishment of debate was something that was so widely accepted, Buck.

And this is what scares me about our society today, is we have moved from “I disagree with you and I am going to make an argument against the one that you just made” to “I disagree with you and you do not have the right to have that opinion, and you are racist, you are sexist, you are homophobic, you are transphobic, you’re a Nazi.” We immediately attack the speaker, right?

So again, it might sound like a subtle nuance in the difference between debating ideas and attacking people. But we have pivoted to such an extent — and what scares me, Buck, is the people who are most in favor of regulating speech are young people. On college campuses, there are substantial majorities of kids right now that believe if someone says something that hurts your feelings, they shouldn’t be able to say that.

BUCK: And the same people that claim that they have a stranglehold, if you will, on truth — and this all comes from the left. It is true these days, if you are a person who believes in liberty even at the expense of what you want to be an outcome, you’re on the right. You cannot see a person on the left these days and say that —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — and you see this with who’s being driven in terms of their audience. You’ve got people like Glenn Greenwald. Glenn Greenwald and I used to debate jihadism and terrorism back in the day, a man firmly on the left, but principled in why he believes what he believes, which now makes him oftentimes on the right on issues.

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Insane: Apple Adds Pregnant Man Emoji

31 Jan 2022

BUCK: The party that believes in science somehow doesn’t understand science, certainly doesn’t understand basic biology, and the latest example of this — although there are many that we could point to, including I’ve seen, Clay, there’s some updates on the transgender swimmer at UPenn that we could get to later on in the show. Turns out, turns out there are even more problems than just how fast the times are for this biological male swimming against women.

So that’s something we can update you with. But for right now on this one — and this is one of those stories where I tell you this ’cause Clay and I both live in the news cycle matrix. We’re like characters, Morpheus and Neo. We’re just living in this news cycle all day long. Occasionally you see a story where you think, “Oh, this is some of the great work they do at the fantastic Babylon Bee, for example. This must not be a real thing. Oh, no, this is a real thing. This is a real thing: The pregnant man emoji.”

Thanks to Apple now, the Apple emoji factory has turned out a pregnant man emoji. Now, this is fascinating on many levels. The first one I just would have to point out to you is that there is an almost exact correlation, Clay, between people who will tell you that the science is settled, will double mask outside, will announce their pronouns, and believe that men can get pregnant. These all line up, and the problem is, men cannot get pregnant. But on social media, as you know, you can actually be suspended for that basic biological fact.

CLAY: It is really funny and also crazy, and this is why I say that our audience is skyrocketing in many ways because there’s just a desperate demand for sanity in an insane world. Biology’s real. I feel like all the people out there saying, “Follow the science and trust the science,” there are men and there are women, all right? There has never been a man in the history of the world that has given birth. It’s never happened. Men are 0-for-7 billion or whatever we are, Buck, in terms of being able to give birth.

That is, there’s never been a man who’s been able to give birth. And so it’s interesting. I was at an event in Dallas, and I watched Jordan Peterson talk, who’s fantastic. Ted Cruz had an event. I was down there. I was the speaker on Friday night. On Saturday, Jordan Peterson talked, and one of the things that he talked about, Buck, was the degree to which to live in modern society you have to be willing to accept fundamental lies and not challenge them.

The idea that a man could give birth is a fundamental lie. And what I keep coming back to… So people can say, “Oh, it’s just an emoji; it doesn’t matter.” No, no. Because the precedent it is setting is the idea that this could happen, right? And so when I look at all of the things that are happening and you just try to apply logical principles to our society, Buck, the same people who are saying, “You can choose your gender and you’re a hero for doing so,” will tell you that if you choose your race, you are a horrible racist.

Look at what happened to Rachel Dolezal up in Washington State. Remember she was the white woman who was the head of the NAACP. She was destroyed. Yet I think for almost every single person out there, if you told me, “Hey, Clay, you — instead of being a guy — have to flip to being a girl or you can be Asian, Hispanic, or black instead of white,” which would be more substantial? I don’t think there’s hardly anybody out there listening to us who would say gender is the less substantial aspect there.

BUCK: And race is actually much more of a construct with variation, biologically speaking, of course. Just think of all that people have different ethnicities, different backgrounds. There are people who are considered… Even when someone says that they are biracial, for example, there’s always more in one’s background. There’s more races coming together, which, you know, this is a great thing. This is the human species; this is what we do.

But it’s fascinating that we create these characteristics or these binaries of, “You’re white, you’re black, you’re Asian, you’re Hispanic,” these are categories that are far more complicated, actually, in the biological reality? If you have a white father and an Asian mother, if you have a black father and a white mother, there’s not this clarity as there is with gender, which is actually a clear, binary reality. And for people who want to do the, “What about individuals who are intersex?” There’s a different term they used to use for it.

Well, that is a biological reality that affects about one in 100,000 people, and that is not what the trans agenda — those, by the way, you still can’t get… It depends on what the plumbing is specifically but generally speaking, men still cannot get pregnant. You still do not have… So that is a biological reality that they are rejecting. Meanwhile, race, which is much more of a social construct — that’s kind of what I was getting at before — as you say, you absolutely have to fit into a category that the left accepts or else, and you certainly cannot claim… You know, can you claim multiple categories, and at what level…? Look what Elizabeth Warren tried to do, right? You see how this gets very messy.

CLAY: Well, think about there’s a lot of people out there who are doing, let’s say, 23andMe. When you do the DNA analysis and find out where your ancestors are from, there are people who find out that they’re actually a different race than they might have thought, right, based on where their DNA originates from. And yet you have a situation where no one ever finds out, “Oh, I thought was a guy and turns out I’m a girl,” right?

To your point on race, you can be wrong about what your racial background is based on the DNA analysis of where your DNA originated from. Nobody out there does the 23andMe and it comes back and they’re like, “Oh, you know what? Turns out I’m a girl and I thought I was a dude,” right? I mean, the idea that you could choose your gender — which is far more significant from a biological perspective than your race is — and that’s heroic, but if you choose your race, you are a horrible human being who deserves to be denigrated across all of society.

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