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TIME’s Man of the Year Slaps Down “Senator Karen”

15 Dec 2021

BUCK: A smackdown for the ages on Twitter. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Oh, my gosh. I was looking forward to sending this one around to the team here ’cause it will spur a few discussions, I believe. But one of them is… Well, let me first tell you what the throwdown was before I get all excited about the takeaways here. Clay, this was amazing.

Elizabeth Warren, who’s constantly talking about paying your fair share — you know, she’s very wealthy. She’s worth about $7 million to $12 million herself. But she tweeted out this:

Elon — who has, I think, 66 million Twitter followers — responded. This is awesome.

Then he shared an article.

Then he added and finished it off, Clay, with:

CLAY: It’s really funny. First of all, Elon Musk may be — may be — a great hope of people who believe in capitalism, people who believe in free markets, people who believe in the First Amendment. I think he may be snarky, Buck — maybe not even snarky anymore, ’cause he came back against Build Back Better, and I believe he may be the best asset to freedom of thought in America today, right?

I think he has a lot of… Now, I’m not saying he has the exact same political opinions as you and I, Buck, and we obviously have different opinions on a variety of different issues, too, like everybody else out there. But I do think when you consider that he has $250 billion, I think he has seen how dishonesty and untrustworthy much of the media is in the way that they have covered him.

And so I think he is inclined to build — and you had a great tweet thread about this, I think, last year about how the billionaires out there need to be actually committing their money instead of to think tanks to actually getting involved in real battles. And, frankly, it tied in yesterday with what Abigail Shrier said when she mentioned J. K. Rowling. If you have a billion dollars and you aren’t willing to say what you really think, what’s the point of having a billion dollars?

BUCK: You can’t really be canceled when you have a billion dollars.

CLAY: Yeah, at all.

BUCK: It’s not something that you have to worry about the same way. You’re not gonna not have a job and a way to pay your mortgage. So it is different. And, by the way, you mentioned that thread. I might play some of it next week, some of the audio, because that tweet thread — Rush read it all on air in June of 2020. So Rush read… I think. I’m trying to make sure I got that date right.

CLAY: I think it was June of 2020 ’cause you sent me the thread.

BUCK: That’s right.

CLAY: And that time frame. But you’re a hundred percent right on it. And I wonder on some level whether Elon Musk with the $250 billion or whatever he’s got is inclined to create a real media outlet to battle against the New York Times and the Washington Post and places like that that cost so much money and the infrastructure involved in battling them.

BUCK: This is the huge challenge that we keep seeing, and that is, “If they own so much more of the battlefield machinery, so to speak, in the war of ideas,” which they do, “even though we sit here and we talk about how we are the frontline defenders of reality in this crazy media world we live in…” And that’s really what we try to do, just try to tell the people the truth and what we’re actually seeing and what’s actually happening every day.

But you can be overwhelmed with lies, right? You can be overwhelmed with the propaganda machinery that’s out there. The Democrats… As much as people listening to this show because they have the discernment to know they’re not getting the truth elsewhere, that’s why they listen. They understand that. A lot of other folks are busy. They got other things going on.

They don’t know enough, they’re not exposed to it enough, and they’ll believe Jen Psaki when she says things like, you know, “We were never in favor of defund the police,” or they’ll believe her when she says that inflation’s not that bad. “What’s the big deal! Sorry your Peloton is late.” That’s the problem we’re against.

CLAY: Well, and you could think about this, Buck — and we’ve talked about it some on the show. Imagine if Rupert Murdoch and his family don’t exist. They are basically standing on the ramparts fighting against a horde of otherwise left-wing attackers. The Wall Street Journal editorial page, God bless them. I think it’s the most important two pages in almost all of media if you’re a reader, and Fox News — and, frankly, thank the Lord for Premiere and Julie Talbott and putting shows like this on so we can talk to the biggest audience every single day all over the country.

BUCK: Yeah. Our competitors, by the way, want us all shut down and all silenced and probably sent to some version of Siberia somewhere.

CLAY: There’s no doubt.

BUCK: So, it’s not like they want a free and fair and open debate. There’s a reason for that, folks. It’s why also any of the libs out there — New York Times, CNN — got a problem with what we say, why don’t you call in sometimes? We could talk about it.

CLAY: We should invite some of those people on.

BUCK: To the CNN commies and libs at the New York Times, “Call in. Tell us why we’re wrong. Let’s see what you got.”

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Psaki Blames Inflation on Corporate Greed of Big Meat

15 Dec 2021

CLAY: Jen Psaki, Buck. Every day there’s something it feels like that’s more absurd that comes out of her White House press briefing. But yesterday… We know inflation is running at levels we haven’t seen since 1982. It’s 6.8% right now, and that’s not 6.8% on everything, right? The impact of everything is different on gas versus used cars on what you may be paying for meat at your grocery store.

And Jen Psaki blamed “corporate greed.” I’m not even making this up! Corporate greed. Now, I know a little bit of something about the meat packing industry, and I’ll explain it in a minute. But first here’s Jen Psaki yesterday. The reason why your meat is expensive right now is because corporations are greedy. Listen.

PSAKI: The president thinks the way people across the country, American families digest inflation is by price increases. So, for example, the president, secretary of agriculture, have both spoken to what we’ve seen as the greed of meat conglomerates. That is an area, one where people go to the grocery store and they’re trying to buy a pound of meat, two pounds of meat, 10 pounds of meat, the prices are higher. That is, in his view, uh, and the view of our secretary of agriculture because of… (sputters) You could call it corporate greed, sure. You could call it, uh, jacking up prices during a pandemic. So I would say there’s some areas where we have seen corporations, uh, benefit, profit from the pandemic.

BUCK: You know how we always say, Clay, that there’s not even a 101-level econ understanding in much of this White House. This is a perfect example of that. But beyond it, it’s like El Generalisima Psaki here. This is straight out of Maduro’s Venezuela playbook. This is what you hear in socialist regimes when there’s inflation, and then they usually institute price controls which makes everything even worse because that results in shortages.

This is the downward spiral of Venezuela. They had inflation, then they instituted price controls, then they had seizures of assets — private assets — by the government, ’cause they’re gonna run it better. They’ll take better care of it. This is what happened in a country that eventually not only collapsed into crime, chaos, and anarchy but you also had the so-called Maduro Diet with people being malnourished and underfed and losing 15 to 20 pounds a year.

So Jen Psaki here is straight-up taking a page out of the Marxist dictator playbook with meat prices are high because of corporate greed. Unless there’s meat price collusion that we need to know about — the proper usage of term collusion, unlike what we had with Russia — she’s just spewing nonsense, and it’s really Marxist claptrap, and we all should know that.

CLAY: Couple of things. One, I don’t know if you read it, ’cause we hadn’t talked about. Fabulous… I believe it was a front-page article in the Wall Street Journal on Saturday about the collapse of Venezuela and how Venezuela happened. If you are interested in any way to see, because Venezuela used to be — of the Latin-American countries — the gold standard for democracy, success; for capitalism thriving relative to Latin-American ideals.

To see that country collapse, the thesis that was written about I thought quite well in the Wall Street Journal article was that effectively Venezuela allowed itself to be taken over by Cuba. Maduro and the Castros and everybody else in Cuba, they became such incredible partners. And I’m using the word “incredible” in the unbelievable context; not in the “oh, this is awesome” context, that Venezuela economic policies and procedures ended up mirroring Cuban economic policies.

And as Cuba collapsed, Venezuela did as well and they opened with the story of tanker fuel which Venezuela produces or used to produce a ton of oil, and they were sending it to Cuba, and they didn’t have enough oil to be able to get it to all their people because the government collapsed. But on the meat packing specifically, Buck — and I’d encourage people to read that article on Venezuela.

That’s why so many Venezuelans in South Florida in particular supported Trump and Republicans, because they’re terrified of what you just talked about, Buck, which is stupid arguments like Jen Psaki’s making. My father-in-law — step-father-in-law, to be accurate — owns a meat-packing plant in Michigan. I tweeted a little bit about this on Thanksgiving. He and my mother-in-law were with us for Thanksgiving, and he said, “Clay,” ’cause he knows.

It’s amazing to walk through these meat-packing plants to see all the materials, all the amazing things you have to do in order to comply with government regulations in a meat-packing plant. So walking around, I’m kind of intrigued by the business and the cost structure and everything else. He said, “I just want you to see this email. This is how much I’m having to pay before I even process the meat and everything else when it arrives at my facility.”

The overall cost structure — because of inflation and because of supply chain shortages and because of the covid insanity in America — has sent all these meat prices higher, and his overall cost is up substantially. So what does he do? He passes it on to the customer and the grocery stores that take his product because if he didn’t, he would go bankrupt. (laughs) That’s the essence of capitalism!

BUCK: This is exactly… So a couple things here. One is, the Biden regime — and increasingly I think everyone understands that that is a good word to use for them. The Biden regime is having to defy in their public statements, in their talking points the basic laws of economics now on a regular basis. We’re gonna spend more money, they say, with Build Back Better, and that will make inflation better. We’re going to spend trillions to the $29 trillion in debt and inflation will go down?

My friends, on the economy, the Democrats are the arsonists that are telling you, “We’re gonna put the fire out on your house by throwing gasoline on it,” and when you look at them like they’re crazy, they think you’re nuts. You mentioned what’s going on in Venezuela. That’s such an interesting case study because, yes, it was bad policies, bad decision-making by the people in charge. Venezuela has more crude oil reserve than Saudi Arabia. People often don’t know that.

CLAY: It’s crazy, right? I didn’t realize that.

BUCK: Yeah. The highest proven reserves in the world — and it’s often at a higher quality, too, Venezuelan crude, than you get in a lot of major oil producers. It was a pretty well-off country before Marxism came. Marxism is like a plague of locusts that has just moved all around Latin America and just destroyed everything. And anyplace that hasn’t been hit by it, some demagogues will come into power…

This might start to give you a little tingle about what’s going on in America. “We’re just gonna redistribute the wealth! We’re just gonna have the rich people pay their fair share,” and then the plague of locusts devours everything, and they blame the Yankee imperialists or whatever. This is the playbook out of Venezuela, out of Cuba, out of Central America, name a place.

A lot of Latin-American countries now in South America are actually trending in this direction, too. Look at a country like Argentina. Economic basket case, right? Why? Marxism. The basics of economics — this is all bringing it back to Biden — apply even in the face of “social justice,” even in the face of “pay your fair share.” They hope that they can just use the propaganda to get around the reality, Clay, and that’s gonna be the whole game plan for next year. I start to worry — and some people are pointing this out. You know how we see the terrible poll numbers that Biden has and all these things?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They won’t accept repudiation. They’re not gonna change but they’re also not gonna go quietly into the night in terms of giving up power. So what are they gonna do, my friends? Think about that long and hard right now. What are Democrats willing to do next year to prevent Republicans from pushing them out of elected office and power all across the country? And you start to see, it’s gonna get ugly, right? Right now, it feels like our side is winning, Clay. Reality is winning. But they’re gonna try to defy reality.

CLAY: There’s no doubt. And, by the way, on the Venezuela front, Rush used to spend a lot of timing talking about it as a perfect representation of what happens when socialism takes over. And that’s why those Venezuelans who are in America, they actually know what happens when you gave when you give up your country to the left wing and allow them to destroy capitalism.

BUCK: And I would tell anybody, “Look at the receipts,” so to speak. You can read in the New York Times pretty pro-Chavez editorials stretching back a decade. So we’re not even talking about, “Oh, go back 30 years and read what people were saying.” In 2011, 2012, they were writing about Chavez in Venezuela, “He’s got the social justice and…” Nope. Total disaster. So the commies at the New York Times were supporting that then.

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Our Moron President: The Unvaxxed Are Unpatriotic

15 Dec 2021

CLAY: England today has set an all-time high for covid cases. That is all the way back to March of 2020 when we first heard about covid. England right now has just set an all-time high.

BUCK: That’s mind-blowing. Can we just take a moment to just think about that?

CLAY: Think about that for a moment. If we had predicted back in June the hot vax summer, “Hey, by the time we get to December, England is going to set a new high,” and, Buck, it makes me a little bit nervous. We talked about last year, right around January 10th or 12th was the peak of the winter virus season for covid last year. it makes me a little bit nervous that we may be trending towards, in the United States, a new high for covid cases as well.

And as this is going on, sports… I talked about this yesterday, Buck. But it is such a disaster right now in the NHL, the NFL, and the NBA. The NFL in particular, their season now… Because so many players are testing positive, they’re gonna have to change the rules on covid testing in the middle of the season now to even be able to finish their season. The same thing I think is gonna have to happen in the NHL and the NBA because all these double-vaxxed players, most of them who have also been boostered, they’re all testing positive for covid.

BUCK: Clay, this all goes back to where we were in the beginning. Remember test and trace, which I mocked relentlessly at the time, because all you have to do…? You don’t have to be an epidemiologist or doctor. You apply basic logic, reason, common sense to it. We have 100,000-plus cases a day right now. We’re going to be able to prevent the transmission of this virus if we increase — not only testing, mind you. I just got tested recently for covid. You’ve been sick recently.

I’ve been sick recently. What actually happens, folks? Think through this for a second. You feel some symptoms. You think, “Wait a second, am I getting sick?” By the time you the bet to a covid test how much virus have you already been shedding out there if, in fact, you are positive? The notion… Most people wait couple of days. “Am I sick? I have a sore throat. Is it a cold?”

The notion that you’re gonna stop this through tests — and then the tracing was always laughable. A hundred thousand cases a day. You’re gonna come into contact with every person and find out who they have been in contact with? That’s crazy. But we’re back now to this place, Clay, where they’re telling people to quarantine even with a negative test. We’re starting to hear this, as if that’s going to do anything.

It’s starting to feel like we’re back in that. We’ve had this mass vaccination campaign and — to be very clear for, you know, Media Matters and the New York Times — the vaccines are still a solid therapeutic for people at high risk, meaning you’re less likely to go to the hospital. You are less likely to die. If you’re at high risk, it is a benefit to you. But the mandates aren’t about that, really.

CLAY: No.

BUCK: The mandates are about transmission stoppage or even massive reduction, and what we’re seeing is a failure of that policy. That is the reality around us.

CLAY: We’re being lied to as well because Joe Biden is sticking to this argument, which is one billion percent not true, saying, “This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Let me play cut 3 as we go to break. One or more lie from Joe Biden. I don’t know whether or not he’s so unintelligent that he doesn’t understand how to look at the data. But this is something they were trying to sell to us, what, three or four months ago? It’s one billion percent not the case that the only reason covid is spreading now is because of the unvaccinated. But that’s what Joe Biden’s trying to say.

BIDEN: You know, you hear a lot from my home state as well as yours and other states saying, “Well, I have my freedom! I have the right to not get vaccinated.” I think of it in terms of patriotism. You’re out there and you’re not vaccinated. This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated — of the unvaccinated.

Those who aren’t vaccinated are the ones that continue to spread the diseases, and so we should think of it in (sic) a patriotic duty. Again, I get told, “Biden, you’re trying to take away my right!” Why don’t you think about being patriotic? Patriotic! Help the rest of the country. The people who are spreading the disease are basically the unvaccinated.

BUCK: Clay, it’s hard I get so angry and then I also have to step back and say, “He’s just not very smart.” So he’s gonna say whatever the puppeteers around him tell him, right? I almost… It’s like getting too angry at a child, you know? You look at Joe Biden; you’re like, “This guy is a moron,” sometimes.

CLAY: It’s a total lie that he just said. Like, that’s not remotely true — and of course, nobody out there is gonna fact check Joe Biden with the possible exception of this show, and even very few shows like this one are even willing to look into the data and say things like, “Yeah, this is ominous. We basically got a therapeutic which helps people who are over the age of 65 somewhat but this idea that if everybody were vaccinated covid would go away? It’s a one billion percent lie. It’s never going away.”

BUCK: I have one quick question, Clay, that I want to pose to everybody before we come back with more of this. Where is the death count on the CNN screen from covid? We’re past 800,000, folks. Where is the death counter on the CNN screen? I think it’s pretty frigging obvious what’s going on here.

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Abigail Shrier Pushes Back on the Transgender Agenda

14 Dec 2021

BUCK: We are joined now, as promised, by Abigail Shrier. She’s an award-winning journalist and author of Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. And her recent piece — the recent thing she wrote about speaking to students at Princeton University — is up on ClayandBuck.com right now. Abigail, thanks for being here with us.

SHRIER: Oh, thanks so much for having me on.

BUCK: So you wrote recently about how when you speak at Princeton, you told students there — obviously, very elite Ivy League institution. You started out by explaining how you are not somebody who has sought the controversy or even the hatred of people who disagree with you. But essentially being willing to stand up for what you think, to be effective and to refuse to bend the knee, is to be attacked mercilessly. Tell us about this.

SHRIER: Well, I do think that’s about all you need today. I mean, you know, it’s a funny thing. I attended, you know, fancy institutions myself and was very much there. I talked to the Princeton kids and said, “Look. I know what it’s like. I know what you’re going through. But today, you don’t actually need to be a provocateur to face, you know, an entire tornado of hate.” But the problem is that we need very badly more than ever people to stand up and speak truth to lies. And we’re just not seeing enough of it. And we’re losing rights in this country right now because people aren’t speaking out.

BUCK: And specifically, this was on the issue of the trans agenda. I mean, Abigail, I’ve been involved publicly in this debate now going back about a decade, and I remember things that we would say years ago about, “What about when men want to compete in women’s athletics?” initially the left and the trans-agenda folks were saying that will never happen.

Now we’re there and we’re being told on pain of social excommunication and professional excommunication you have to say things like, “A man does not have an advantage over women in sports competition,” or else you’re a bad person. This seems like a disorder, a mass delusion.

SHRIER: Yeah. There’s not even any doubt about it. I mean, male puberty confers permanent and massive advantages on the male body. Even if they later reduce the testosterone — the active testosterone, bioactive testosterone rate in the body, levels in the body — they still have, you know, larger lungs, larger hearts, more oxygenated blood, vastly greater muscle mass, bone density, fast-twitch muscle fiber.

So it’s not a fair competition. People know it’s not a fair competition. These girls are watching their records getting destroyed, and all their hard work is coming to nothing, and now is their time to speak up. Because pretty soon girls are gonna very rationally just say, “I’m not gonna bother competing. What’s the point?”

CLAY: Abigail, your piece — this is Clay — was so fantastic. I shared it from my Twitter account. I think I read it late Sunday night as I was getting ready to the new week to start and found myself nodding on so much you said, because we’re around the same age. I think you said you were 43. I’m 42, and I felt like so much of your path was similar to the one that I have followed.

I want to start… I want to build on what Buck said there. We had a couple of stories — I think you saw them — up at OutKick about two Pennsylvania women swimmers who didn’t even feel like they could use their own name to criticize the fact that they now have a biological male teammate who won one race — and for people out there who don’t know swimming, this is virtually unheard of — by 38 seconds and another race by 15 seconds.

It just doesn’t happen, and the identities colliding here — feminists, people who believe in Title IX, the equality of women’s athletics — are terrified to speak out even though what we are seeing is the destruction of women’s athletics because biological men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. And even if they decide to identify as women — and even if they potentially take some testosterone blockers, add estrogen, whatever else, as you pointed out — they still have massive physical advantages, which is why men’s and women’s sports have been separated forever because otherwise women wouldn’t be able to compete biologically with men.

SHRIER: That’s right. And, you know, just to give these students their due, they’re terrified of the reprisal of the DEI officers, the diversity officers in their own school. They’re afraid they won’t be able to go to law school or medical school or whatever their next, you know, goal is professionally. But now is their time because they actually have nothing to gain at this point.

Their records are being vandalized. They cannot win. It’s a completely fixed fight, and we’re going to lose all the gains of Title IX if people don’t start speaking up. And, frankly, it’s incumbent on the coaches to stand up for the young women. They need to stand up and the young women themselves, I believe they should.

CLAY: Abigail, I was talking about this earlier in the show, and we talked about it some last week. One of the things… I expected that there would be people who would push back against the articles that we put up at OutKick from the two women speaking out against this transgender teammate. We didn’t actually have anybody push back.

And that, to me, is almost even more chilling because what it reflects is so many people in the sports entry who understand what the value of competition is and that this is the antithesis of that, are not even willing to argue in favor of it. They’re just pretending it doesn’t exist. Is that what you see a lot as you covered issues such as these?

SHRIER: Absolutely.

CLAY: With that chilling impact, you don’t even really get a debate? You just get people pretending that it doesn’t exist at all.

SHRIER: Right. We could make this all go away tomorrow, in other words, because actually what people don’t realize is that most Americans are completely reasonable and they don’t want to destroy women’s sports. We’re actually very proud of our female athletes in this country.

CLAY: That’s right.

SHRIER: And across the board we’re proud of them. So the question is, “Do you let petulant mobs of children scare you out of saying what’s true, or are you willing to stand up to them?” And, you know, we could lose this country over it. You see the silencing, you see how little, you know, free — how diminished our ability to speak the truth is, you know, in public, you know, given that we’ve allowed them to push us around. And now is the time to real estate stand up to them and say “no more.”

BUCK: We’re speaking to Abigail Shrier. She’s award-winning journalist. Her book is Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. Get it if for no other reason… It’s excellent, but get it because they don’t want you to have it. The left does not want you to own this book, to buy this book, which is a great enough reason, I think, for all of you out there.

Abigail, to that end, it seems that — and this also comes up when Clay mentions, “Where’s all the pushback to the article on OutKick?” It seems that we’re in a society now where there are machines and institutions — and by machines, I mean, there are, you know, advocacy groups and activists and social media giants who enforce this orthodoxy. But I can’t ever see a person going out there and engaging in debate on this issue.

For example, everyone at CNN or MSNBC — pick a channel that is left-leaning; same thing on, I’m sure, NBC News now — they’ll celebrate the U Penn male swimmer beating all of these women. They won’t ever engage in debate. These DNI people that you talk about and the H.R. offices of major corporations, it feels like no one will take the heat for the unreality we are forced to believe in, but there are institutions that manage to push it so that there’s no accountability for the insanity. Do you see what I mean?

SHRIER: I see exactly what you mean, and you’re right. No one’s willing to debate ’cause they lose on the merits, and every American — every reasonable American — knows they’re out of their minds, right? They don’t want to lose all of women’s rights, which is what we’re looking at right now. We’re seeing men in battered women’s shelters and in women’s prisons.

Talk to women. I’ve talked to women at that time Chowchilla women’s prison in California, and they’re terrified they’ve got men in their cells — men who are capable of getting a full erection — merely because they announce they’re women. And what’s going on in this country right now is insane, we know it’s insane, and all it takes is the will of good people to stand up and say, “This is nuts. No more. Not in my country.”

CLAY: Abigail, J. K. Rowling — who a lot of people out there are going to know as the author of the Harry Potter books — has actually been a pretty good advocate for many of the things that you’re speaking about, and she has gotten absolutely savaged for this. Now, it would be easy for somebody who is basically a billionaire like her to just say, “Hey, I’m not gonna get involved in any of these cases.” Have you had any interaction with her? What do you think of her willingness to actually step forward on an issue such as this and fight battles?

SHRIER: I think she’s wonderful. I think that, you know, sometimes people dismiss her and say, “Oh, she can do it because she’s a billionaire,” to which I say, “Where are the other billionaires?” They’re silent. I think she’s an incredibly admirable and when wonderful person. She has done more to stand up for women’s rights than vast majorities of women. And I tell you, she does it at great expense to herself. She didn’t have to do this. She did it, and I think really she is to be commended for it.

BUCK: I’m just wondering when people that you know or come across in the media, they become familiar with what you say on this — they either hear you on this show, they see you on Tucker’s show on Fox talking about this issue — does pretty much everyone admit to you in private that what you’re saying is true or publicly…? Or do you come across true believers in the media who really think that men can be women and men can get pregnant? And I mean in a private setting, not for the virtual signaling in the broader media.

SHRIER: Right. Almost everyone agrees with me, so much so that I have gotten literally, you know, the top Democratic the aides to the most left-wing Democrats writing to me saying, you know, privately I agree with you. There’s almost no one who supports the views of these young radical extremists. But look, they have a lot of influence in social media. They throw fits. Companies cave to them so they are exercising vastly outsized power. They don’t have the numbers but they’re exercising a lot of power right now.

BUCK: Like the digital Bolsheviks, Clay.

CLAY: It is! How much of this is social media, Abigail, in your experience? Because you’re around my age, and it means that if you’re around my age you may have been working in media in your twenties and thirties and you didn’t have this stultifying, cancel culture raining down upon you. People still had debates. How much of this do you think is directly related to the power of Twitter where, to my point, nobody’s defending the idea of a biological man competing with women, but they’re just trying to pretend it doesn’t exist?

I believe it’s ’cause they’re terrified that they’ll be the target if somebody at ESPN speaking out, if somebody at a prominent sports network speaks out. They think they’ll be attacked for this in a way that I don’t think was present prior to the rise of Twitter?

SHRIER: I think it’s almost entirely because of social media. Parents who speak out about this, parents who tell their daughters about this nonsense are afraid of being outed on social media. Everyone is. We have this now system in this country where we’re constantly being monitored to see if we obey the orthodoxy.

Any anyone can be exposed in front of thousands or even millions depending on what goes viral. And that’s really the problem. Americans remain very reasonable. They’ve always been, and we continue to be. But, unfortunately, they’re able to leverage this monitoring system and exposing each other and effectively a tattletale system, and it’s really keeping people in line who really could push back very effectively if they realized how thin is the agreement the other side.

CLAY: What did you think…? I’m curious if you watched the Dave Chappelle Netflix special —

SHRIER: I did.

CLAY: — and what did you think of the controversy that emerged from that?

SHRIER: He’s terrific. He’s able to… Dave Chappelle is able to do what few other people are willing to do — and look, it came a great cost. He lost a documentary over it. But he speaks the truth, and we all admire him for that. And look. He’s not a transphobe but he lives in the world and is willing to call things as he sees them, and he really is to be admired for that.

BUCK: Abigail Shrier, journalist and author of Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. Abigail, Clay and I really admire your courage on this issue and your clear-sightedness on this. Thank you so much for being with us.

SHRIER: Thank you. Take care.

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If We’re Winning, Our Ideas Are Winning

14 Dec 2021

CLAY: I appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We encourage you to go give us a five-star review. Make fun of Buck’s scooter and there’s probably a good chance that, at some point, I will end up reading it. We also tweeted this out. I think it’s out on the Clay and Buck page as well. We loved our first six months with you guys since we started together in June, and a lot of you are listening and responding very favorably to us.

There’s an article up, interview with Buck and I that I think some of you will enjoy. But the audience among adults up 46% nationwide since we started back in June. We’re number one in… Buck gets nervous when I brag, but I’m like, man, nobody else is gonna do the PR for us.

So, I want to let people know that we are winning because when we win, it means the ideas that we are talking about are advancing, which is so significant. But thanks Sacramento, San Diego, Salt Lake City, Houston, Phoenix, Raleigh, Milwaukee, Birmingham and also Louisville. Memphis, I believe, as well.

BUCK: You can’t even remember all the number-one cities at this point, which is a good sign.

CLAY: All number one now. Almost the whole country.

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Miranda Devine on Hunter Biden’s Laptop from Hell

14 Dec 2021

CLAY: We’re joined now by Miranda Devine, who has got a fantastic book out. She writes at the New York Post. The book is called Laptop from Hell, and, Miranda, thanks for taking the time to join us here. I believe in the years ahead the collusion to cover up the New York Post story on Hunter Biden’s laptop is going to be seen as one of the greatest failures in the history of independent American media. Do you agree based on all the things that you’ve seen inside of this laptop and that was covered up? How massive was this story, and maybe more wildly, how massive was most of the media’s cover-up for this story?

DEVINE: You’re absolutely right. And thank you very much for having me on, both of you, Clay and Buck. Look, I think we understood that three weeks before the election when we published the first of the emails from the laptop that were so damning of Joe Biden, we knew it was a bombshell. And we expected that the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and all this sort of media organizations that were in the tank for Joe Biden that just would do anything to get rid of Donald Trump.

We knew that they would ignore it, but what was so shocking was the power of social media, of the Big Tech oligopolies, Facebook and Twitter. And within a couple of hours of our story going online at 5 a.m. October 14, Facebook had come out and said that they were blocking it pending a fact check, which still — more than a year later — has never happened. And then Twitter followed suit and locked the New York Post’s account the next two weeks until a few days before the election and people couldn’t even share the story in true and correct message.

Kayleigh McEnany was the then president’s press secretary. She was canceled or suspended from Twitter for trying to share the story. It was really sort of lost at the time, but when you look back now, it was such a display of power and such an intervention into the election by these faceless, unaccountable, global corporatists that it’s really frightening. And, you know, shortly after that, of course, they deplatformed the sitting president of the United States.

And that prompted even Emmanuel Macron from France to say, “Whoa, this is rather frightening for all of us.” The whole world should realize that these companies have become more powerful than the leaders of countries, and they are still the same. I mean, nothing’s changed since then. And we know from polls taken after the election that almost half of Biden voters knew nothing about the scandal that was on the laptop.

The evidence of the influence peddling that was going on with Joe Biden, the evidence that Joe Biden had met with Hunter Biden’s business partners from overseas was compromised, in China and Russia and elsewhere. If they had known that, about one-tenth of Biden voters would have changed their vote. And so in an election that was won by 45,000 votes across a handful of battleground states, the censorship of our story could have made a difference.

BUCK: Absolutely. Miranda Devine, everybody. Laptop from Hell is her book. Miranda, it’s Buck. I want you to… I was at TheHill.com when a lot of stories were being broken about the relationship with Hunter Biden and Ukraine, and this has been around for a while. We didn’t have the laptop. We didn’t have the Laptop from Hell. What should people know?

Because the suppression story which Clay started out with is enormous and may very well have — likely did, I believe — change the trajectory of the election, and it was dishonest and a disgrace what the Big Tech and media did together. What do people need to know about the corruption aspect of it? We always say if this were Donald Trump Jr., they might actually cover this more than the January 6 insurrection at CNN. What did Hunter Biden actually do, and where is the real corruption that we know of from this laptop?

DEVINE: Look, the importance of the laptop is really not Hunter Biden, who is this sort of tragic figure: Drug addicted for most of the nine years the laptop covered, crackhead. The story is actually about Joe Biden and what the laptop tells you about his involvement in not just Hunter’s about his younger brother Jim’s scheme around the world to monetize his power, Joe Biden’s power, and what Joe Biden did in return for that money and how he financially benefited.

So we know that for the last two years of his vice presidency, Hunter Biden and his partners and Jim Biden were doing work overseas around the world using Joe Biden’s name to open doors. And we know that that was being done with Joe Biden’s OK, imprimatur, full involvement. The money, however, was going to come after Joe Biden left office. And this was why Tony Bobulinski was brought in to become CEO of their latest joint venture with China and sort of regularize and make everything, you know, squeaky clean.

Because by that stage, Joe Biden was a private citizen, future president. And, you know, it wasn’t just that the Bidens were doing business or had a joint venture with someone in China. They were in partnership with a company called CEXE, which is the capitalist arm of President Xi’s belt-and-road initiative. And this is the imperialist push by China into corrupting, buying up, paying off, putting into servitude poorer countries around the world — and the Bidens were involved.

They were using Joe Biden’s name to help the Chinese Communist Party push into the rest of the world at great expense to the United States, to America’s national interests, to America’s national security. And the other element, I think, is there is some evidence to show that Joe Biden financially benefited. We know Hunter Biden had been complaining about having to give half his salary to his dad.

We know about an email saying 10% of equity in this private venture was going to be held by Hunter Biden for “The Big Guy,” which Tony Bobulinski says is Joe Biden, and other documents on the laptop show was Joe Biden. But there’s also evidence of commingling of finances between Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, shared bank accounts, shared debit cards. Also, there’s a little bit of evidence — just a tip of the iceberg, I imagine, but it is there — showing that Hunter Biden was paying regular household bills for Joe Biden.

Joe Biden’s always made out that he is the poorest man in Congress. He’s a really humble fellow from Scranton, Working Class Joe, Lunch Pail Joe. But actually, his lifestyle is a very champagne outfit — you know, beautiful mansions, great clothes. He and his family live a life of unimaginable luxury and privilege. And whether it’s cash or it’s just entree to the best Ivy League places, to government sinecures, you name it, whatever they wanted it be.

It was a magic carpet ride, and Hunter Biden was paying some of the maintenance on the mansion, whether it be painting or fixing a retaining wall or fixing shutters or paying for a new air-conditioning system in the cottage on the grounds that Joe Biden was charging the Secret Service to rent. It was expensive to have that kind of lifestyle, and it seems that Hunter Biden was paying for it.

CLAY: Miranda Devine, author of Laptop from Hell, New York Post writer as well. Miranda, is it fair to say, based on everything that you have seen from this laptop and all of your research, that everything the media said about Donald Trump and his sons, Joe Biden was actually the one doing, ironically enough? All of this Russia collusion talk, all of the China discussion, all of the fear about the Trump sons and the Trump family in general, that when you actually look at the data, Joe Biden was doing everything that the media tried to tell us Trump was doing?

DEVINE: Yes, absolutely. Projection. I mean, projection is the psychological ailment of a lot of these Democrats. They’re always projected onto people racism or bad thoughts or bigotry which they harbor in their own hearts. And it’s the same with the Russia collusion stuff. I was so shocked a couple of times when I was delving into this laptop that I had to push myself away from the desk and go after and just think about, “Did I really just see this?”

Because Hunter Biden was right in the inner sanctum of Vladimir Putin. He was hobnobbing in Moscow with Vladimir Putin’s oligarchs, these corrupt people who were propping up the Putin regime. And he would meet them at Lake Como or he would meet them in Monte Carlo. His partner one time said basically, “We’re living the life of Jason Bourne and James Bond,” and they were.

These bumbling… He was a crackhead, his uncle Jim was just a bumbling moron, and they were getting tens of millions of dollars from these people trying to curry favor with their father and bumbling around the world in these luxury oligarch venues. And it just is so surreal. So he was in with Putin and in with President Xi, and there’s this one chapter in the book where I talk about this deal.

This incredible, multimillion-dollar deal — the biggest deal China had ever done in they were buying Rosneft, which was the Russian state-owned energy company, and Vladimir Putin had been forced into this by sanctions that were placed on Russia by America and Europe after that MH17 plane was downed over Ukraine. So it was a reluctant marriage, but it was a great deal for President Xi.

And it was a marriage of Russia and China that just would have altered the geopolitical energy balance and really put America on the back foot. And only because Donald Trump came into office and told his attorney general, Jeff Sessions, to start disrupting Chinese influence in buying up of American properties, that that final deal was knocked off because Hunter Biden…

One of his partners was arrested at JFK; then President Xi got worried, and he disappeared another one of Hunter Biden’s partners. But the whole Rosneft deal fell apart. China had to pay Russia millions of dollars in compensation. But if it had gone through, Hunter Biden was right at the center of this, and it would have had a huge effect on America and America’s prosperity.

BUCK: Miranda Devine, Laptop from Hell is the book. Fascinating stuff, Miranda. Thanks so much for being with us, and best of luck to you.

DEVINE: Thanks so much, Clay and Buck.

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