Clay Provides Update on Trans UPenn Swimmer

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Clay appeared on Fox & Friends to offer more insights into the three-year member of the men’s swim team who’s swimming against women at UPenn, building on the teammates speaking exclusively to OutKick about the unfairness of it all, and pointing out that you don’t hear anyone defending this obvious absurdity.

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Berenson: Our Public Health Establishment Won’t Be Honest

15 Dec 2021

BUCK: We have with us our friend, Alex Berenson, author of the best-selling book, Pandemia. Get it before it is banned by Big Tech and all the rest. He also has a Substack where he’s putting out information day in and day out about covid. Alex, I mean, when you’re right, you’re right. You’ve been right a lot. Thanks for being here with us.

BERENSON: Thanks for having me. Before we get started, I have to say one thing about Pandemia, which is right now you can get it on Amazon Kindle or Nook or Apple for $2.99, and it is currently the best-selling book in the country on Apple. It’s number two on Kindle. I would like to get it to be number one. I would like to be able to send that email to Elizabeth Warren who tried to get Amazon to ban me. So it’s $2.99. It’s 12 bucks off the normal Kindle price, and, you know, people really want the truth right now. And if you want to understand what is happening now, you have to understand what happened the last two years, and that’s what Pandemia is.

BUCK: Absolutely. Go get your copy, folks, $2.99 at Kindle. Hook it up today. Alex, tell me this, Joe Biden… I don’t know if you heard it earlier in the show. I actually was gonna say if you’ve seen it on Twitter, but maybe not because they banned you. You’re never gonna be banned from the Clay and Buck show, though, Alex; don’t worry.

But there’s a clip going around of Biden — I think this is in last 24 hours — just saying this is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” and that you won’t spread the virus if you get the shot. We know… I mean, tell us about how not true that is, but also what are the numbers at this point? It feels like breakthrough cases, they’ve just memory holed the notion of breakthrough cases because they’re breaking through everywhere.

BERENSON: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I can’t believe he would have said that in the last 24 hours. Now, as we know, he has some element of mild cognitive impairment, so he may just have forgotten what today’s lie is. But I’ll tell you this. The governor of New Jersey — who’s been saying a couple of months ago, making clearly untrue statements about the number of vaccinated people in the hospital. There’s a clip today which I just saw on Twitter — because I’m banned, I can still see it.

You know, I haven’t had my hands cut off. And he said that 47% of people in the hospital now in New Jersey are vaccinated and not boosted. And the reason they’re starting to tell the truth about it is because they want people to get boosters and I think because the truth is so obvious to anybody who is alive and is vaccinated or is vaccinated that they can’t hide it anymore.

BUCK: If 50% of people in any state Alex, real quick, if 50% of people close to it in any state in the hospital are vaccinated and forget about the boosters for a second, isn’t that a failure of the policy that they were rolling out all summer?

BERENSON: Well, they would say no, and they would say, “No, there’s still some protection against severe disease and death,” and the people who’ve been vaccinated, it’s more than 50%, and those people are older, so they’re more likely to be hospitalized. And then we can get into an argument about something called Simpson’s Paradox and what the numbers really say, which I’m not gonna do because it’s complicated and will bore people.

But here’s the truth. The truth is the numbers have been way higher than 1% or 3% or 5% of people in the hospital being fully vaccinated for a long time. And they’ve been lying about it all year. And the reason I can say that with certainty is because human biology is the same everywhere and we know what the numbers are out of the U.K., which doesn’t lie about this, and we know what the numbers are out of Israel, which doesn’t lie about this.

So we’ve known for a long time that the numbers the CDC is offering are basically untrue, and there’s a couple reasons for that, one of which is that the American health care system is so screwed up that the hospitals are not necessarily recording every vaccinated person as vaccinated when they come in. So, you know, if you got vaccinated somewhere else and, you know, you’re old and sick and you don’t tell them that you were vaccinated or you can’t even remember when you were vaccinated at all though you know you were, you may go in their system as “unknown” which translates at the CDC level to unvaccinated.

So that’s clearly been happening. I’ve talked to people in hospitals about that. I can’t tell you how much it’s been happening, but it has been happening. The takeaway is this is something else that they lied about. They have lied or been wrong about almost every crucial event in the last two years and this is another one.

CLAY: Alex, what do we know… I’ll give you an opportunity here because I think the answer could actually be positive. What do we know about Omicron so far based on all the data that has been coming in? Israel, England, United States has some data, and is that data reflective of that? If it were to pass Delta as the primary variant, this would actually be really good news for covid, the spread, based on the data that we’re seeing right now? I understand things can change, but it seems like a much less virulent version of covid than certainly Delta.

BERENSON: Great question, and I think of when I was on with you last week I said the answer to that question was “yes,” you know, that Omicron looked like pretty much a positive. I think the answer is more qualified right now for two reasons. The first is that there’s some data. There’s a study — not study but a population registry — out of Denmark that was just published earlier this week showing that the hospitalization levels there, although quite low, weren’t much different for Omicron as earlier variants.

The second — and the other thing that’s come up, and this has come up anecdotally in the U.S. but also with statistics elsewhere. This variant seems to care not at all about the vaccine, and there’s some evidence it actually is preferentially infecting people who’ve been vaccinated, which would mean it would sort of be a weak version of this terrifying thing called ADE, which is what a vaccination actually worsens your outcome after infection.

Now, we don’t have evidence that that’s happening, but we do have evidence that Omicron, you know, doesn’t… It seems to be able to infect people whether they’re vaccinated, based on, or anything else, which raises the question of why boost? Now, let me just pull back for one second. Your initial theory is right, though. From what we know out of South Africa, which has the most cases, it is less dangerous.

So the only way it could be really bad would be in the very short term, if a ton of people get infected. If a third of the country gets infected, let’s say, over a two-week period and it’s almost as bad as the previous variants — not quite as bad, but almost as bad — then you can do some math and get, you know, a lot of strain on the hospitals. Even if that happens, at the end of that period we should be in better shape because we have a lot of people who’ve gone through this and been done with it. But that’s sort of the worst case with Omicron right now. But I would agree with you. When I said last week and what you just asked, overall Omicron looks like a net positive in terms of what’s happening with covid.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Alex Berenson, author of Pandemia, best-selling book. Get your copy today, $2.99 on kindle. Alex, the vaccine makers have already talked about the possibility of an — now, they’re not saying they’re doing it, the possibility of an — Omicron-specific variant. There is also talk about a fourth shot. I believe the fourth shot is approved in Israel — correct me if that’s wrong — for people who are considered at high risk.

But, of course, the risk parameters keep changing over time as the vaccines wane in efficacy. Have we just completely abandoned the notion? There was a time when we believed it was, “Get the shot; you’re done.” Does anyone think there’s even on the horizon a “get the shot for covid, you won’t get infected, you don’t have to worry about it,” or has that just been completely abandoned?

BERENSON: I mean, that’s a great question, and I don’t know what they’re… You know, let’s say in a perfect world they could invent that shot. Okay, they could invent what’s called a pan-coronavirus vaccine that would work for all the variants and would work long term. I’m not sure they could sell it to anybody, okay, because the last year has been such, you know, a cluster and their promises have been so unmet that, you know, I mean, I’m not going anywhere near that for years and years.

And I would suspect that lots of people… Now, listen. I didn’t get the vaccine to begin with, but I think there are a lot of people who did get the vaccine who feel pretty cheated right now. And, you know, I wrote this on my Substack on Monday. I think… I mean, we’re talking medically right now, right? We’re still talking about some scientific questions.

But I do think politically and culturally, much of the United States is past covid and just wants this all — just wants people to stop talking about this. You know, until the day that the hospitals actually collapse, people are… The public health authorities have cried wolf one too many times or 10 too many times, and people, they don’t want to hear about it. If they didn’t get vaccinated, they’re not getting vaccinated.

If they did get vaccinated, they feel they did their bit for the team and they don’t understand why they should do this again a couple months later. And when people like Fauci or, you know, other public health, you know, grandees say, “Oh, we always thought we’d need a third shot, a fourth shot,” people know that’s not true. We were all alive six months ago. We can all remember six months ago.

CLAY: We’re talking to Alex Berenson. Encourage you to go grab his book, Pandemia. Alex, last year in mid-January the number of covid cases in the United States peaked. I believe it’s still the all-time high. Today, England hit a new high for all-time cases.

BERENSON: Yes.

CLAY: What do you think — and I know, again, predictions are sometimes difficult, and I understand that that’s a challenge. But based on the data that you are seeing from Europe and around the world, what do you think the next month looks like? Do you believe that we are going to approach new highs in the number of cases here in January like we did last year?

BERENSON: I think it’s quite possible. I mean, and it’s not just the U.K. Germany is off the charts. The Netherlands off the charts. You know, I think cases don’t really matter that much, right, especially if it’s Omicron. And Omicron is less, you know, virulent as it seems to be. And I would certainly discourage people from panicking if the case number do go up. What matters, you know, again is hospitalizations and is deaths.

And I will say that, you know, whether it’s because, you know, the U.K. has boosted a lot of older people… So when you boost, you get this temporary benefit where people’s antibodies do go up and they are less likely to suffer severe disease and death in the short term. The problem is, you know, you don’t know what that looks like long-term. But if you’re dealing with, you know, the vulnerable people over 65 and especially over 75.

Giving them the booster, you know, in the short term reduces death counts and maybe reduces the strain on the hospital system. So that’s a good thing, and that is, you know, what we’ve done in the U.S. and they’ve done it in Europe. So the case counts are off the charts, but hospitalizations and deaths are not over there. And I would hope that would be a similar case here through the winter.

BUCK: Do we know, Alex, if Omicron natural immunity would be protective? Again, is there any data? Do we have any idea? I really have two natural immunity questions for you. One is if you get one variant, are you likely protected against the others? I know nothing is perfect. Even natural immunity is not perfect. But do we have any numbers on that? And also, at what point do we see that this disease feels like it will have infected a solid majority perhaps, you know, getting upwards of 60, 70% of the American people? This has been going on for two years.

BERENSON: Both great questions. The short answer is right now, I haven’t seen any studies about whether Omicron translates into other protections. But here’s how it works, right? The new variant chases out the old ones. So Delta came along and Delta was basically 100% of the covid out there. So it didn’t really matter whether Delta was protective against older variants. It mattered whether older variants were protective against Delta.

And that will be the question with Omicron: Will Omicron be protective against the stuff that comes next? And that becomes even more complicated now because we’re in a situation where many, many people have been vaccinated, and there’s some evidence, unfortunately — and it’s weak right now, and I don’t want to overstate it, but there’s some evidence — that vaccination may interfere with protective natural immunity after infections.

So, in other words, you get vaccinated, you get infected, your immunity is not as good as it would be as it would be had you been unvaccinated, infected, and recovered. And I don’t want to say that with any certainty. When I say the evidence is weak, I mean it’s weak, but it’s there. So that’s something else that… You know, here’s the thing. These are all really complicated questions.

Really good scientists and epidemiologist are gonna have to spend a lot of time looking at the data, you know, in labs figuring it out, and then we’re gonna have to have honest conversations about that. But our public health establishment won’t be honest, and this is what has come up with Pandemia. So you can’t have honest questions about whether masks work or whether lockdowns work or what the effect of lockdowns are or, you know, the negative effects of closing schools.

Because the people at the top have communicated to each other and to the media that there’s one strategy, and that’s the strategy that’s gonna be followed today. And if it changes tomorrow, you know, it is sort of this 1984 world where Big Brother can never be wrong. And we have really difficult questions ahead based both on these variants and on the fact that so many people have been vaccinated with these vaccines that don’t work as well as we were promised they work. And we need to be able to ask those and we are not asking them.

CLAY: Alex, quick question for you to close. Has anybody at Twitter apologized to you for canceling your account? Like, I don’t mean like Jack Dorsey himself, but has anybody at Twitter reached out and said, “Hey, by the way, the things that you were sharing in the summer have proven to be true”? Because it’s unbelievable to me that you’ve been banned by Twitter for things that have proven to be virtually a hundred percent true.

BERENSON: No. You suspect they have some lawyers, even if there were anybody there — and now that Jack is gone, I don’t know that there’s anybody there who would do that. But I suspect their lawyers would tell them, you know, if you say a word to that guy, you’re fired. Look, we all know I was right, you know, and I don’t say that actually with any pride.

It would be better for everybody if I’d been wrong, okay? It’d be better if I were the fool, you know, that some people on the left would like me to be. But, no, nobody’s said “boo” to me. And sooner or later, you know, I keep sort of hinting, “There’s gonna be a lawsuit. There’s gonna be a lawsuit.” Well, I’m gonna hint again: There’s gonna a lawsuit. And, you know, we’ll see what a jury — if it gets that far — makes of what I said and, you know, whether Twitter was right to kick me off.

CLAY: You need to file the lawsuit. It has to happen.

BERENSON: I’m hoping I get to that moment.

BUCK: Pandemia is the book, folks. Get your copy today, $2.99 on Kindle — great deal — and support our man, Alex here. Alex, thanks so much, buddy. Always appreciate you.

BERENSON: Thanks for having me, guys.

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Manchin and Biden Can’t Agree on BBB

15 Dec 2021

CLAY: Maybe we need to get a breaking news sounder that is official for the show here, Buck, but I don’t know what that sound should be. But we’ll at some point pick an official breaking news sounder ’cause we do get a lot of breaking news on this show. This is from CNN. “Talks between Manchin and Biden…” This is a tweet from Manu Raju, who covers Capitol Hill for CNN:

This kills any virtually any hope of getting the bill done by Christmas as Schumer had hoped. Biden and Manchin not close to a deal

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 15, 2021

Again, that was just tweeted in the past 10 minutes by Manu Raju, who covers Capitol Hill for CNN and has been on the Manchin beat quite a lot as Joe Manchin has been the significant pivot point for much of Biden’s congressional agenda. Now, Buck, this is significant because if the Democrats cannot get this Build Back Better bill done before 2021 ends, then you’re gonna have the holiday break.

And then you move into a midterm election year which could make things even more difficult, potentially, to get done. But Joe Manchin appears to be holding his ground. And one more bit here, Buck. Joe Manchin is also saying now that he may well run for reelection in 2024. Donald Trump won the state of West Virginia by 39 points. If he’s running for reelection, he ain’t backing Build Back Better. I’d be stunned.

BUCK: I think he likes being the most powerful senator at this moment in America.

CLAY: Yeah, he is.

BUCK: I think he enjoys that he’s in a position — and let’s be honest about this. He is the dam holding back the left-wing insanity within his own party here. Now, this isn’t some maverick move that nobody saw coming. He’s a Democrat in West Virginia, as you point out. He’s really a guy who is pretty close toward the center, as close as you can be and still technically be considered a Democrat.

But in the broader picture, the Build Back Better issue here is if they don’t get this thing done and they don’t get it done in a big way — or, as a friend, a former president would say, “bigly.” He actually taught me that word. I thought he said “big league” the first time he said it, but it’s actually “bigly.” If they don’t get it done in that fashion, here’s the issue they deal with, Clay.

We’ve been talking a lot here about Biden, the Democrats being wrong on the border, wrong on the economy, wrong on a lot of key aspects of covid mitigation and flattening and stopping the virus, flattening the curve. They’re wrong on crime in ways that are… They’re wrong on all these things. But when you add the Build Back Better phenomenon into it?

All the talking about it, all the pushing for it if they don’t get it, now you’ve got an administration that is wrong and incompetent, right? That’s a whole other level. It’s one thing when the crazy Marxists in your midst are saying things about, “Oh, it’s all gonna get better in the future,” and they’re at least executing on their plans. It’s another thing when they look like bumbling buffoons and they have bad ideas.

CLAY: Well, and this, I think, Buck, becomes an intriguing question. If they’re not able to do it before the end of the year, when in 2022 would this be able to be passed? Because certainly by the time you get to the summer they’re not, I don’t think, gonna try to ram anything through as it’s already primary season and the election season is upon us.

BUCK: And how is that going to really benefit them? What’s in this bill that they like so much? A whole lot of spending for favored Democrat constituencies. Now, the longer timeline that will, of course, get spent when they pass it, but it won’t really be the infusion of cash and a distribution of projects, et cetera, that they want it to be in time for the midterm.

So they’re gonna be making a lot of promises about, “Oh, this will…” We’re assuming they get something done here. There may be a possibility that Manchin just keeps saying, right, “I don’t see the wisdom of this.” In which case, what do the Democrats have to offer the American people as the story of Biden, assuming that happens? And that’s a big “if.” I still think they’ll get something done. But what does the talking point become? January 6th? Just turn on CNN all day? Give me a break.

CLAY: It’s gonna be abortion. They’re gonna get a ruling in some way. We don’t know what the Supreme Court’s gonna do. But I think the Democrats’ entire 2022 strategy is going to boil down to what the Supreme Court does on abortion. They’re gonna take away the right to abortion and they’re gonna run that as hard as they can. I think they’re gonna have to abandon January 6th ’cause I just don’t think it has any real staying power for them.

BUCK: You absolutely… I mean, this could be, right? We’re going six months in the future here, but I would just add into this, remember with Kavanaugh they thought that the War on Women that Kavanaugh represented…? I want to be very clear. They lied about Brett Kavanaugh. They were all lying about Brett Kavanaugh. It was a smear. It was grotesque. All three of them, all right?

You had a woman who was clearly deranged, the third one. You had a second woman who didn’t even remember the accusation and a first woman who was coached and had all kinds of holes in the story and could never even prove she was in the same place, actually met Brett Kavanaugh.

CLAY: She could never even prove they met ever, not even to have had a sexual assault.

BUCK: Never in the same location. Okay. Put that aside for a second, though. That probably… Maybe it was the ugliness of it, and so maybe they’ve learned a little something about how they’ll have to do the politics of the abortion issue in June because they were so heinous to Kavanaugh, but that saved a couple of Senate seats in that year.

CLAY: No doubt. I think that flipped things in a big way. And then, by the way, the Democrats have learned they didn’t go as hard in the paint after Amy Coney Barrett even though she was replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg because they knew, I think, that if they went after a in
mom who is as good of a witness and as skilled and as worthy of a job like that, that they would alienate a lot of suburban women voters. She was kind of the queen suburban woman voter, right?

BUCK: Turns out there are some limits to Democrats. They couldn’t convince anybody in America that Amy Coney Barrett, 30 years, ago groped somebody she had actually never met and had no contact with. I just want to remind you in the Kavanaugh situation, there were at least dozens — it may have been hundreds — of false claims around that, what people were saying.

Oh, people were writing into the committee, “Brett Kavanaugh raped me in the state of,” you know, name a state, and Brett Kavanaugh never even been to that state. People were just lying all over the place. It’s the Democrat Party. It’s become a party run by some very big lies. Defund the police is not insane. We don’t have an open border. Spending more money doesn’t cause inflation.

Male swimmers and female swimmers? No difference between the two! Clay, we got to dive into that some more too. But to the Biden agenda there’s a reason why his polls… I mean, he just said that he thinks the Democrats are gonna do well in the midterms. No Democrat actually believes that right now. None of them.

CLAY: Yeah, he has to say that.

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Sen. Blackburn on “Build Back Broke” and the GOP in 2022

15 Dec 2021

CLAY: We’ve got Senator Marsha Blackburn with us now. Senator, so much going on. Thanks for taking the time for us here, and I want to start with this question. What have you heard, if anything, from Joe Manchin — a lot of breaking news as we started the show — that he may not be supporting the Build Back Better bill or even voting to allow it to come to the floor? Have you heard anything today about those details?

SEN. BLACKBURN: What we are hearing is that he does not want this to come forward. And I call it “Build Back Broke,” because that’s what we’re all going to be if they pass this thing. He has some serious concerns about several provisions in the bill. And, you know, it’s not only Manchin and Sinema, but you’ve got some other Democrats that have tough races this year, and they have a lot of serious concerns about this bill.

And, of course, the bill would double the cost of child care for a lot of working families. In essence, what they’re trying to do is take one vote — and in that one vote, they want the government to take control of your children; take control of education, of your bank account, of your small business. They want to be able to change election law and implement the Green New Deal. They’re just trying to roll it all into this bill.

But the more people know about Build Back Broke, the less they like it, because they’re realizing you would have 10 years of taxes and it would pay for one year of programs that they’re putting on the books. The taxes are going to be permanent. The programs are going to be permanent. And the CBO says if you make that assumption that these programs remain on the books for the 10-year life of this legislation, that you are going to have minimum of $3 trillion in new debt — $3 trillion — and that it’s not a $1.75 trillion bill, it’s actually a $5 trillion bill.

BUCK: Senator Blackburn, it’s Buck. I’ve just been wondering about your expectations for the political fallout from this and how it will go in 2022. Is Manchin possibly going to, in your opinion…? I’m sure you know Senator Manchin well. Is he gonna hold the line on this entirely, meaning there may not even be a Build Back Broke — as you put it — bill passed at all, or is your expectation that something will be passed that they’ll put under that headline of the BBB; it just will be a dramatically scaled-down version and that Manchin would vote for it? What are your expectations?

SEN. BLACKBURN: Well, the window is going to run out on this budget reconciliation. And with that happening, I think what may be more likely is that they will. After the window closes on reconciliation, they’re going to have to divide this bill up and try to pass these things one at a time. Now, getting Democrats in the House and the Senate on the record on these different pieces of legislation? That is a really good thing for us in the ’22 midterms.

CLAY: That is what I was gonna build on, Senator Blackburn. What is your expectation for what the Senate calendar might look like for 2022 as we get closer to the midterms? Will you guys basically shut things down, do you think, in the summer? What should we expect in terms of what could come out of Capitol Hill and what could get passed or not passed as we move closer and closer to the midterms?

SEN. BLACKBURN: You know, Clay, one of the things they’re going to focus on is trying to put judges on the bench and put people into the federal government. Get some of these “executive appointments,” as they are called — people that are running Department of State, Department of Commerce, some of their leftists — so that they can change the rules in a lot of these different departments. So that is going to be a big part of their focus.

And, of course, they want to pack the court. Because if you’re going to get liberal, leftist decisions out of the court, you’ve gotta put some liberal, leftist judges. So moderate Democrat judges who are at retirement age, they are basically telling these judges, “You vacate your position and let us put a young activist in your place so that they’re going to be on the bench for the next 30 years.”

BUCK: We’re speaking to Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Senator, how do you think we’re shaping up for possible Republican Senate control being reestablished next fall? What do you see as the primary…? You are going to be, obviously, a part of the messaging on this. What do you think should be the focus and how well is the GOP positioned?

SEN. BLACKBURN: I think the GOP is positioned very well. We’ve got a lot of security moms out there. The immigration and border issues are at the top of their list. They don’t want crime in the streets. They don’t like gangs. They’re tired of defund the police. They don’t like what is happening with covid and mandates, and the way their children are being taught in school.

They are tired of inflation and out-of-control spending. Every bit of that bodes well for us, and when you put all of that in place and then at the domestic issues, and then you look at these foreign policy issues… We just today have passed the Defense Authorization Act to fund the military. It’s the latest we’ve ever been in getting that passed. And of course, Joe Biden wanted to cut spending to the military. And then you have the debacle in Afghanistan.

You have China on the rise. Look at the bad actions by the Chinese Communist Party. You have Russia conducting a buildup on the Ukrainian border, and you have all this destabilization on the global front. So their domestic agenda, they’re upside down. Jen Psaki yesterday could not even name one foreign policy achievement of the president. And, of course, he kept saying, “Oh, you know, these are all my old buddies, old friends!

“I’m going to get in here and I’m going to put us back on the right track. You know, they love me, man,” and that was the way he went through the campaign. And it is just not true. And people are looking at this, and they’re astounded, whether it is Iran and Israel or Afghanistan or China or Russia or Ukraine, they’re looking at the mess that this administration has made. And they’re saying, “All right. We tried it. It doesn’t work.”

CLAY: Senator Blackburn, one of the things that’s got Buck and I both super fired up is the disaster at the border. I know you’ve paid a lot of attention to it. It’s not just the disaster at our southern border. It’s that while Joe Biden is trying to mandate vaccines for American citizens, they’re letting people just come across our border with no covid testing hardly going on at all. Of all the things that Biden has done wrong — and there’s certainly a lot of them — it seems that the American public is rating right now the border as the worst of them. Can it get better? What are you seeing from your perspective?

SEN. BLACKBURN: Oh, my goodness. I hear about the border everywhere I go — and, Clay, you’re exactly right. This is what people are talking about because when you look at the fact we’re going to have two million individuals from probably 160 different countries that will have illegally entered this country and then have been processed into the United States.

Now, then you’re going to have somewhere between a half million and 1.5 million of people that are the got-aways. Many of these people are coming from countries that have incredibly low vaccine rates — like 1% or 2% of the population has been vaccinated. You have Omicron strain of coronavirus that is now on the march.

And people are going, “Wait a minute. We’ve got crime in the street. We’ve got human traffic, sex trafficking like we have never had. You had all of these smash-and-grab crimes carried out. You have grandmothers going to the local mall during the daytime, and then you have somebody when they’re heading to their car trying to grab their packages and their purse.”

And people are going, “Wait a minute! We’ve never had crime like this,” and then you know what they’re finding out? A lot of this is done by gangs. It’s carried out by gangs, and it is making our communities less safe. It hurts our economy. It hurts individuals. And so people are looking very closely at what is happening. They’re also looking the health issues. The spread of coronavirus and other infections and diseases.

They’re looking at the impact on their community of individuals that are coming into these. They’re looking at what is happening with human trafficking and how these traffickers are beginning to use social media to actually recruit people to work as drug traffickers and sex traffickers! So they’re just… These issues all find a connection to the border and to illegal immigration.

BUCK: Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Senator, always appreciate you coming by to hang with us. Thanks so much.

SEN. BLACKBURN: Good talking to you! Merry Christmas!

BUCK: Merry Christmas.

CLAY: Indeed. Have a good Christmas.

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African-American Intellectuals: America Is Not a Racist Country

15 Dec 2021

BUCK: Now, there are two voices on the issue of race in America that I want you to become more familiar with, and we’ll have… We should invite them on the show, actually. John McWhorter, who is a professor at Columbia University, and Glenn Loury, who’s also professor, I believe, at Brown University. I could be wrong on that. But they’re also writers, public intellectuals. I just wanted you to hear — and then, Clay, I wanted you to react to it — this back-and-forth about how they essentially are debunking this argument of America is so racist. These are two African-American intellectuals. Really fascinating individuals. Play.

If “structural racism” is so bad in America, why do nonwhites from all over the planet risk so much to come here? Conversely, if nonwhite immigrants succeed so admirably here, what’s keeping native-born blacks from doing the same? @JohnHMcWhorter and I discuss at The Glenn Show. pic.twitter.com/AEf8GkN3zF

— Glenn Loury (@GlennLoury) December 15, 2021

LOURY: It’s said to be a microaggression to observe that this is the place that people want to actually come. America is supposed to be so racist. How come so many people from nonwhite ports of origin are risking everything to get here? America’s supposed to have no opportunity, according to the Ta-Nehisi Coateses of the world; the American dream is a fraud. Then how come so many people are saying their lives made so much better and the lives of their children made so much better by being able to participate in this society?

And, again, the arrow points backwards. How come black people are not themselves seizing these opportunities? Very difficult question. Lot that could be said about it. But white supremacy? That’s a childish, foolish, intellectually infantile — but politically convenient — response to the question, “Why are black people not availing ourselves of the same opportunities that people from every quarter of this world who are not European seem to be able to make the best of?

BUCK: This is an interesting bite. You can connect the argument to Nigerian immigrants to America outperform on a per capita basis — outperform — native-born white Americans, economically, by household. So if we have a white-supremacist society, which is what we’re told all the time, how is it that nonwhite immigrants from all over the world…? And we welcome and love them in our American family, of course. How is it that they do so well and we’re happy that they do?

CLAY: The fact that no one who argues that America is systemically racist can defend is this one that I’m about to share with all of you. Asian men are the highest earning group. Regardless of how long they’ve been in the country, Asian men are the highest earning ethnic group in the entire country. If white supremacy was the underlying foundation of everything in America, how is it that Asian men — many of whom have not been in this country for very long — are dunking all over white, black, and Hispanic men and women? How is that possible in a fundamentally systemically racist country? The defense they’ll sometimes give now — which be an utterly ridiculous one — is Asian people don’t count as a minority. That’s the defense that they try to make.

BUCK: I’ve learned this term recently because they just made it up. That’s the thing. Always remember this: They make up new terms to fit whatever the political need may be. The left is constantly doing this. They try to make you use certain terms like “undocumented,” which is made up, but they also will make up entirely new concepts. “White adjacent” is how the left will refer to Asian-Americans, to which you say, “Huh?”

CLAY: (laughing) “White adjacent,” yeah.

BUCK: But, you know, this is also reflected in the overt racism of elite institutions against Asian-Americans, places like Harvard University. When they tell you that they aren’t discriminating against Asians in favor of other minority groups, they are lying, and that’s why the Supreme Court is looking at this issue. They are lying!

CLAY: I hope the Supreme Court takes it up. And, Buck, this is also an interesting fact historically. Do you know why the SAT came to exist? Because Jewish people were being discriminated against.

BUCK: It was to create meritocracy in academia.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Yep. That’s right.

CLAY: So the Jewish people, instead of just white Anglo-Sexton Protestants from the right families —

BUCK: Did just say “Anglo-Sexton”? (laughing)

CLAY: Yeah. That’s old school, right? WASPs.

BUCK: Anglo-Saxon, not Sexton. Sexton’s me.

CLAY: Oh. Anglo… Sorry. Yes. But they tried… They tried to create a system that favored, artificially, people from a certain background. Now we’re tearing down the SAT because the meritocracy is not fair because Asians dominate test scores and grades too much. It’s a crazy world.

BUCK: Yeah. Life is not fair. You just want a law, a legal system that’s as fair as it can be and then let the chips fall where they may, but —

CLAY: (laughing) “Anglo-Sexton” is really funny, by the way. That should be your fantasy football name.

BUCK: (laughing) I don’t even know how to play fantasy football.

CLAY: Now you gotta have a team. That’s a great team name. You gotta do it.

BUCK: Oh, man.

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Joe Lies Again: “It’s Not Gonna Cost a Single, Solitary Penny”

15 Dec 2021

CLAY: We earlier in the show shared Joe Biden, and I don’t even… Do you think they just slipped in the wrong teleprompter for Biden, Buck, that he suddenly was like, “Hey, we have a pandemic of the unvaccinated” like it was still June or July? It’s so antiquated. By the way, we talked with Alex Berenson. Encourage you to check him out on the podcast top of hour 2. We also talked with Senator Marsha Blackburn.

But it’s so antiquated in terms of the data that it’s a direct lie effectively, and here’s another lie. So the CBO, Buck, you know, we talked about this yesterday. Congressional Budget Office, nonpartisan, not Democrats, not Republicans. They came out and they said, “Hey, what’s the 10-year cost of this Build Back Better bill, which, by the way, it appears Joe Manchin is not going to support.

It is dead at least for this year. We’ll see what happens at the start of 2022, but I think it was Lindsey Graham, a Republican Senator from South Carolina said, “Hey, what’s the overall cost here? Let’s presume that all of these provisions being voted on are not sunset. What’s the overall cost?” Well, the answer was it would add $3 trillion, $3 to our national debt. That didn’t stop Joe Biden from going out in Ohio and lying to the American public, Buck. He said it would cost zero. This is what he said yesterday.

REPORTER: What do you say to people in the Dayton area, Mr. President, who have expressed concerns about whether trillions more in federal spending will help when you have inflation at a near 40-year high?

BIDEN: The way I say this is not gonna cost a single, solitary penny! We’re not gonna increase the deficit by one cent in the Build Back Better plan at all!

Asked about Ohioans “who have expressed concerns about whether trillions more in federal spending will help” when inflation is at a 39-year high, Biden lies to them.

“It’s not gonna cost a single, solitary penny.” pic.twitter.com/sTslF7uZQc

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 14, 2021

CLAY: Just a lie. I mean, a direct lie.

BUCK: And beyond that, it’s so apparent that the Democrats do this on a whole range of issues. They won’t even tell you what the real tradeoff of their decision-making will be, right? You can do this with any number of things. Criminal justice reform. Okay. Well, you might let some people out a little bit earlier, a little bit sooner because the bail reform law, for example, but if this spreads the whole system you’re gonna also have more crime, more people getting hurt, more people being attacked.

You don’t look at cause and effect and speak about it honestly on the economy, what could be more clear than, first of all, there’s no way they’re not going to have tax increases along with this that go far beyond. This is the oldest trick in the book, right? We’ve seen this how many times in everyone listening to this living memory, the Democrats say, “It’ll just be the rich who pay for it.” That’s not actually how it works. But beyond that that it won’t add anything?

We’re talking about trillions of dollars of spending, and that goes in addition to the, what is it now three-and-change trillion a year the federal government is currently spending — I think it’s pretty close to four, and so that is just a function of math. But they lie. They lie to people. They say it won’t cost a penny. They say it’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated. They say that they want a secure border, that they never said defund the police.

These are things that affect people, too, right? Donald Trump saying that he has the best hair in the history of the world — which, you know, maybe. I mean, the guy’s got great hair. Let’s show with respect where it’s due. But they used to say, “Oh, my gosh. He’s lying! There’s no data. There’s no metrics on Donald Trump’s hair being the best.” They freaked out about everything Trump said. Meanwhile, they lie big. They lie about stuff that matters to people.

CLAY: Yeah. Here’s what I would say. It’s such a good point. What I would say about Trump’s lies were, he was bull in a china shop just knocking things over, disrupting so much of the establishment. But Trump got to the right result. He didn’t always get there in a flawless fashion, and that’s one of the areas where I think he left himself open to so much attack.

It created the opportunity to come after him, but his end results were the right place. The difference with Democrats is they lie, and the lies are transparent and lead to the wrong result. And we’ve seen it with crime. Defund the police. We’ve seen it with border. We’ve seen it with covid. We’ve seen it with inflation. They lie, and they get to the wrong result, and so it is really infuriating because we had such an obsession with Trump.

Remember Democracy Dies in Darkness? They put that at the top of the Washington Post, which… Is it still there? I think it’s still there, as if they were, like, some saviors of the world. And then they got so many things wrong. You know, Buck, the Washington Post did a feature on me. I was talking to you about this off the air the other day. This before we were doing the show.

It’s 2500 words. I talked to ’em for an hour. They used like 25 of my words in a quote, and the quotes were wrong. I had transcribed it; I put it up on OutKick. There’s so much failure and lack of intelligence and just bad motive in journalism that the idea that these people are the saviors of anything is a joke, and I’m not sure, Buck. Can you think of any other profession that praises itself more than journalists?

BUCK: Hollywood, maybe. (laughing)

CLAY: But Hollywood they understand like, “Hey, you know what? We make movies, we’re entertainers.” Like, on some level I think they understand that what they do doesn’t matter. I can’t think of a single profession that praises itself more than journalists.

BUCK: Journalists pretend to be the firefighters of our democracy, you know, putting out the arson of fascism and tyranny. When what was always fascinating to me about the way they positioned themselves during the Trump administration is that in authoritarian regimes, everybody — and don’t ever forget this — the press is aligned with the government.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: What you are seeing now under Joe Biden is what you would have in an authoritarian regime. You know, I was in the CIA and, yeah, I spent time abroad in some countries where bad things were happening. But also, a big part of it was studying the history of, learning the history of authoritarian regimes. When you have 95% of the press against the regime getting richer and more famous and more powerful for not only criticizing but actively trying to subvert, undermine, and overthrow —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — by weaponizing the Department of Justice through lies with Russia collusion, that is, my friends, that is not a circumstance you have in an authoritarian system. The authoritarian system is the one where everybody with a platform is praising it. Which feels more authoritarian under that rubric, under that framework? Pretty sure we all know it’s Biden.

CLAY: I used to ask that question all the time: If Trump is such a dictatorial threat, how come everybody is so comfortable calling him a dictator?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: In any country where you actually have a dictator, there’s not people getting rich by saying, “Oh, what an awful dictator this guy is,” ’cause they get yanked right off the street and put in jail. The people who ripped Trump the most vociferously in the entire country made the most money. That’s the exact opposite of a dictatorship.

BUCK: CNN needs Trump.

CLAY: Oh, desperately.

BUCK: They need him back. What do they do? They’re running this January 6 thing all day. It’s January 6th and then, you know, and then CNN’s dealing with —

CLAY: — and, by the way, nobody cares about that. The ratings reflect it.

BUCK: Yeah, because what exactly…? If we were learning new stuff and — as we discussed, they went after people, they released the text messages of some Fox hosts showing what was already, for a lot of us, public record and public sentiment, which is everybody on the right, as soon as they realized that a riot had started and that was a protest got out of control, said, “Knock that crap off right away.

“You’re playing right into the left hands! This is illegal. It’s disrespectful. Don’t do this.” Yeah, that’s what we do. Go back and look at former CNN anchor Chris Cuomo during BLM riots saying (impression), “Hey, where’s the say you gotta be peaceful, you know, assembling peaceful?” And as people pointed out, it actually does say it in the Constitution. But that’s a whole other thing, right? They were making excuses for riots.

CLAY: Well, they were mostly peaceful protests, Buck. Mostly peaceful protests. That’s the moment that everybody got it, that crystallized it perfectly is when you’re standing in front of a burning building and there are gunshots ringing out in the background and they describe it as “a mostly peaceful protest,” you’re being told — and I think this happens all too often.

And I think this is why this show is growing. It certainly what happens in many left-wing stories right now is you’re told things that you know are a hundred percent not true. Men should swim against compete and compete evenly. No, no. That doesn’t make sense. That’s what you’re being told. Peaceful protest. January 6 was an insurrection. These are all lies.

BUCK: It’s remarkable, folks, and just to speak the truth these days — to borrow from that quote of unknown providence — really is a revolutionary act. People always say it’s Orwell. But it does feel like that these days. Just speak the truth. It’s like your own private revolution of one every day. But that’s why we try to do that for all of you and also bring your voices in here on the show and discuss what’s really going on.

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Stumper: What’s Biden’s Biggest Foreign Policy Achievement?

15 Dec 2021

BUCK: What was Joe Biden’s biggest foreign policy accomplishment this year? Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. We ask real questions and give you real answers, which separates us from about 90, 95% of the rest of the media, but we will continue to do so. So what is Joe Biden’s big foreign policy…? Remember, foreign policy for the Democrat-snob types is the area where they think because they studied French in college or something, they think they’re very worldly.

You know, they took that semester abroad in Italy which all my friends who did it will you tell you it’s great fun, but you’re basically just eating a lot of panini and going out to the discotheque at night. It doesn’t necessarily mean… Listen, I got nothing but love for that if you want to do it, but I’m just saying it doesn’t mean that you’re a scholar of global affairs necessarily.

But the libs themselves — especially in policy circles — are particularly elite on foreign policy, right? So, American Donald Trump, who was, “Oh, gosh! Yeah, didn’t get us in any wars, did he? Didn’t get us in any wars. Didn’t actually have a foreign policy catastrophe, not one in four years. Not one.” Here’s Joe Biden in year one, where I can’t even think of what would be the upside of his foreign policy, and Jen Psaki was asked. Here’s what she said.

REPORTER: It’s year-end season so I would ask you what does the administration consider your biggest achievement in foreign policy in this first year and also what lessons have you learned from what is arguably the biggest failure, which is Afghanistan?

PSAKI: You know, this is a great question. I want to be thoughtful about it, want to talk to the president about it and I’m happy to do that.

BUCK: Now, look.

CLAY: Wow.

BUCK: It is not fun — not fair, rather. It is fun. It is not fair to make fun of Jen Psaki on this because, Clay, she’s asked an impossible question, right? How do you answer this? ‘Cause Biden’s a loser.

CLAY: Anybody who has ever been in school and gotten called on… We need to hear that again. First of all, that’s a fantastic question. I don’t know who asked that question. Also, by the way, not an inconceivable question to prep for, right? Like end of the year, “Hey, how would you assess the first year? What are you proud of?” Now, she specifically asked about foreign policy, but it was like you could see Jen Psaki just freeze up like her brain like, “Oh, my God. We don’t have any foreign policy the achievements.”

And it reminds me a couple of times when I was in law school, Buck, you know, you have the Socratic method where the teacher– for people who haven’t experienced this, the teacher — in law school classroom just picks one student and grills them on a case. And if you haven’t read that case, if you aren’t prepared for that case, it is excruciating to watch somebody just get fileted in front of the whole class. That’s like the kind of answer you got when you hadn’t read the case and hadn’t done your homework.

BUCK: It’s remarkable. It’s also noteworthy that we’re here with Russia having over a hundred thousand troops on the border with Ukraine, and what I want to make sure everyone knows about this — ’cause you’re certainly not gonna hear this from the Biden lackeys in the media — is there’s a very clear pattern here, my friends. When there is a left-wing Democrat as president — Barack Obama, for example — Russia feels like it has…

Despite all the Russia stuff we heard under Trump, when did Russia seize Crimea? When did Russia begin its offensive of separatists in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine? It was 2014, the Obama administration. And then things got real quiet for a while with Trump in office. I know that he was the Russian stooge, but we actually had about 150 or so Russian paramilitaries blown up in the Syrian dessert.

You don’t hear much about that anymore when they were threatening our Kurdish allies. That was under Trump. You had more sanctions, more expulsions, more diplomatic pressure on Russia than ever about. That was under Trump. But just to bring it back here now, they’re getting ready to go into Ukraine under a Biden administration, and they’re already, they have been at war in Ukraine since 2014. They seized Crimea. They’re at war in Donbass. So this would just be an escalation, Clay, almost like they think Democrats don’t have much in the way of never mind military acumen, but diplomatic teeth.

CLAY: Well, first of all, that was an amazing analysis of current foreign policy with Russia and past couple of presidents, but I’m still kind of laughing about that Jen Psaki answer. What actually is their best foreign policy achievement? If she had to spin it, what do you think the answer is?

BUCK: You know, you and I do a lot of talking forgiving, right? If I’m put there and they’re gonna say, “Buck, you know, we’ll give you a million dollars just to answer this question,” I could probably answer. I might say something about Paris, you know, climate —

CLAY: Accords. Yeah.

BUCK: — in the future, something, something, you know, yada yada. But there’s nothing. There’s nothing. And you would think that the pivot, I think, would usually be, “We’ve put in place the beginnings of the…” But there is no Biden Doctrine.

CLAY: It’s such a fantastic… I think probably what I would spin is we stood up to China and we aren’t gonna have diplomatic relations for the Olympics.

BUCK: Wait a second. We’re continuing the Trump policies in China?

CLAY: I know.

BUCK: That was supposed to start a trade war? Okay.

CLAY: You certainly can’t talk about anything having to do with Remain in Mexico or Central America. You can’t talk about anything Afghanistan. You can’t talk about anything Russia, as you just laid out. The only thing I can even think of is the China angle. Now, you might be able to…

She probably should have just gone back to the answer for every subject. Democrats say everything is racist, which doesn’t apply very well in foreign affairs, because arguably their biggest foreign affairs move was banning travel to Africa, which was called racist. I think they have to just go with global warming and just try to claim they did something there. I think you’re right.

BUCK: Global warming, scream something about racism, and next question to Jen Psaki. The Jen Psaki story.

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SF Mayor Suddenly Wants to Cut the Bullcrap, Stop Crime

15 Dec 2021

BUCK: We have been talking to you about the rise in crime — notably, homicides and shootings — in major cities across the country. I think it’s about a dozen cities set their all-time record this year. Just like with inflation, folks, when the results come in, what you find out is the Democrats were wrong. And not only that, they were lying to you as the numbers were coming in about what the conclusions and what the obvious analysis should be about all of it.

They took soft-on-crime policies. The BLM movement created a lot of political cover to push that stuff even further. More people were shot, more people died, more people had their homes broken into, their stores vandalized and robbed — and, yes, their scooters stolen. It has been bad for the country across the board, right? We’ve all seen that Democrats’ crazy ideas about crime have really negative consequences, and it has finally gotten to the point…

Because the numbers are in, the data’s in, and we could take you through — and we’ve tried to — all over the country. What are we looking at? Rise in murders here, rise in thefts here, rise in burglaries there. But what are the Democrats gonna do about it? Because it turns out even soy latte-drinking libs in San Francisco get upset when someone steals their bicycle out of their front yard, right?

It turns out even when someone who votes Democrat or lives in Chicago or lives in Baltimore or New York or, you name it, has to be in fear of using public transportation. There was a horrible attack — I just saw this — a woman strangled and punched in the face and robbed. She’d just come to this country from Thailand. She’s a young model, aspiring young women here in New York, attacked — brutally attacked — in New York City subway.

I was in the subway, I can tell you, last week in New York for the first time in a little while ’cause I try to walk around — and, yes, I had other means of transportation as well that we don’t have to talk about. But I tried to go around the city. The subway was deserted, depressing, and the cars were gonna take 30 minutes to get there. It’s dangerous. Okay. Democrats are realizing that this is no longer tenable for them. Even London Breed, the mayor of San Francisco, is saying, guess what, folks? Time to get tough on crime.

BREED: And it’s time that the reign of criminals who are destroying our city… It is time for it to come to an end. And it comes to an end when we take the steps to be more aggressive with law enforcement, more aggressive with the changes in our policies, and less tolerant of all the bulls(bleep)t that has destroyed our city. We are gonna turn this around!

BUCK: Can I just say that when we tell them, the libs, that their cities are being destroyed by these ideas, they say, “That’s exaggeration! You’re lying. That’s right-wing talk.” It’s almost like London Breed has been listening to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.

CLAY: That’s exactly what I was gonna say. I don’t know how popular we are in San Francisco. I bet we’re more popular than we used to be in San Francisco ’cause there’s a lot of people out there — as you said Buck, Democrats, Republicans, yes. There’s also Team Reality and Team Insanity, and we are on the side of Team Reality, and increasingly I think the Democrats are looking at their poll numbers. This is what’s going on, right?

Because when you’ve got a black woman mayor of San Francisco saying that we need “more aggressive … policing,” that was called racist when anybody said it for the last year. When you even had the idea, Buck, they took COPS off of TV, the television show COPS, which had been on for two decades because they said that cops were all awful in the wake of Derek Chauvin.

They don’t want to potentially… Some people did. For those of you out there who watch Paw Patrol, they wanted the cop puppy. They wanted him to not be wearing a police uniform. This is what people were arguing last year in May and June, and it’s amazing how quickly this pivot has happened. Defund the polic, they’re trying to tell you, never happened, right?

In many places, they’re saying, “We never made that argument! What are you talking about?” and a lot in the media are allowing that to occur. But from major city mayor like London Breed in San Francisco, of all places, to be saying, “Hey, we gotta get police back to being able to do their jobs. They gotta aggressively police to make us safe,” it’s a seismic land shift here.

BUCK: I mean, you could see this even with some of the blue check beta males of the corporate media out there making arguments about how — and specifically in the case of San Francisco. I think it might have been a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle. I can’t remember now. It was a couple of months ago. “Is it really a big deal if someone breaks into your home and steals stuff from you while you’re home if they don’t, you know, attack and brutalize you physically?

“Is it really that big a deal?” And you finally started to have what needs to happen for libs to care. Here’s the sad little reality, folks. Murders go up while the left pretends to care so much about “social justice,” and particularly social justice as it affects minority communities. Most of the multimillionaire libs that you see on MSNBC and CNN, the editorial pages of the San Francisco Chronicle, the New York Times, the Washington Post, they live in safe neighborhoods.

CLAY: Super-white neighborhoods.

BUCK: They send their kids to generally overwhelmingly, almost entirely white schools, right?

CLAY: Gated communities.

BUCK: They go to schools where there’s no diversity whatsoever. They live in gated communities. They pretend to care so much about minorities because they want minority votes, and they also want the virtue signaling about being fighters against oppression. The murder rate goes up in the South side of Chicago, murder rate goes up in tough parts Oakland, tough parts of Baltimore.

It’s disproportionately affecting minority males, and specifically young African-American males are being killed at a higher rate because of their stupid lib ideas they’re pushing in these newspapers and on these channels. Why do they care now, Clay? Oh, because, you know, Sephora and Anthropologie and Starbucks and CVS in the fancy neighborhoods are being robbed.

CLAY: The Nordstrom in San Francisco is getting looted and all of a sudden there are all these people out there saying, “Hey, we need to do something about these mass robberies,” ’cause you’re right. The chickens — the proverbial chickens — have come home to roost. When it is primarily an inner city-crime issue, when Black Lives Matter has primarily led all of the protests to more black lives dying, left wingers don’t pay attention. But as soon as their city’s quality of life starts getting impacted, all of a sudden, they start to raise issues and they want for there to be some sort of response.

BUCK: It is amazing, too, it’s the Democrats pushing for what is often the exact wrong idea, right? Crime? You want less violence in our streets. Undermining cops and defunding them but also making it clear they’re not politically supported, that is something you do if you want in more murders, in fact.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And that is what BLM did, you know, making it easier to take in the country and get into the country illegally. That is what you do if you want in more illegal immigration. Same thing with inflation. More spending. I mean, you look at this, the things they do cause the problems quite directly — and we’ve been warning them. We’ve been saying, “Hey, guys, it’s pretty crazy. Don’t do this.” Now they turn around; they go, “Oh, yeah.” What a shock! It turns out if you let the criminals run wild everywhere and do bad things, you get a lot of crime. Oh, okay.

CLAY: Well, and what’s amazing also on this is a lot of people aren’t gonna be held accountable for this. If you argued in favor of defund the police, you should never be elected to another office for the rest of your life. What’s gonna happen? Those people are gonna get reelected and they’re gonna pretend they never argued to defund the police.

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