Exploring All of Kyle Rittenhouse’s Legal Alternatives

23 Nov 2021

CLAY: One of the big topics that has been out there has been what sort of legal recourse does Kyle Rittenhouse have now that he has been found not guilty of murder by virtue of self-defense, given all the insults and all of the lies that have been spread about him in the mainstream media and politicians, by MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times and the Washington Post.

We’ll get into that in a minute, but first here’s a cut from Kyle Rittenhouse talking about the legal representation he had and the fact that he says they left him in jail while they raised money, he says, for their own benefit. This is cut one.

RITTENHOUSE: Eighty-seven days of not being with my family for defending myself and being taken advantage to, being used for a cause by John Pierce and Lin Wood, trying to raise money so they could take it for their own benefit, not trying to set me free. I could have been bailed out by mid-September, but they wanted to keep me in jail until November 20th.

CLAY: Buck, that also is awful. I don’t think most people talk about the fact that this kid, who was 100 percent innocent of any wrongdoing, we know, based on the jury’s determination, spent 87 days in prison. That’s over, basically, three months of his life.

BUCK: The alleged justification for this, from his lawyers, was that he was safer in jail. And I can tell you that is not the case. There’s actually a lot of evidence to show that people — you’re much more likely to be assaulted, to be attacked across a whole —

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: — a whole range of contexts inside prison than outside of prison, or jail. And this goes to show you that there were people early on — and for Kyle to say at this stage, too, is absolutely damning for these two guys. And it’s a shame because I actually like the Richard Jewell movie in which Lin Wood is essentially the hero. But it’s still a very good movie. It’s really just an entire movie that, don’t trust the FBI and don’t talk to them; that’s actually what the movie teaches you. But Kyle was able to push through this and really when he was giving this interview with Tucker, Clay, it becomes clear that he had so much poise and mental fortitude for a kid his age. He’s facing life in prison.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: He wasn’t yet even 18 years old when this incident happened. Not only is he facing life in prison, but very powerful people all across — I mean, the now president, then candidate for the Democrat side for the presidency, basically said this guy should rot in jail for the rest of his life. It’s one thing if you’re wrongfully accused and you’re just going through the trial. That’s got to be terrifying. Imagine being wrongfully accused and an entire political party, the Democrat elites’ media apparatus, the left, the organized left in general, is screaming, screeching for you to spend the rest of your life in prison while that’s happening. Think about how terrifying that would be.

CLAY: Buck, I’ll tell you this. Lawyers don’t lose sleep over defending people they think are guilty. We lose sleep over defending people we think are innocent, because if you’re defending a guilty person you have a constitutional obligation to defend them to the best of your ability. But if they end up being convicted, it may be the just result in a case. Lawyers lose sleep. I guarantee you this was the case for the lawyers, credit them, the defense attorneys, who won the case for Kyle Rittenhouse. I guarantee you those guys tossed and turned, in addition to the fact that Rittenhouse himself did, many nights worried that they were not going to be able to do the best possible job because this kid was innocent of all wrongdoing and they knew he faced potential life in prison.

Let me say this, too, there’s a lot of discussion out there, Buck, about what sort of legal opportunities Kyle Rittenhouse has now that a jury has determined that he’s not guilty of the crime when he was labeled a murderer, a white supremacist, a domestic terrorist, all these different things on CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, The Washington Post, among others.

I’ve argued for a long time that New York Times v. Sullivan needs to be — this is the sort of foremost case in the First Amendment jurisprudence — that it needs to be refined for our modern era.

This is getting a little bit in the weeds, but just for people out there to think about — what are the major challenges in holding these big media companies accountable for the lies they spread about you is New York Times v. Sullivan sets up a distinction between a public and a private figure. If you’re a public figure, you have to show — and that’s why when we played in hour one, Kyle Rittenhouse said that the media company showed actual malice against him. You have to show actual malice if you’re a public figure in order to recover under defamation standards.

I think we need to reconsider, and Scalia and Thomas have said this in Supreme Court opinions, we need to reconsider New York Times v. Sullivan, in light of the social media era in which we live in now where basically everybody is a public figure, Buck. Because if you’re in a diner and somebody takes a video of you and it goes viral, you become a public figure because you said or did something even if you don’t want to be a public figure.

So this distinction about what damages can be gained for public-versus-private figures is so challenging when it comes to Kyle Rittenhouse and people of his nature who may be 100 percent innocent, may have lies spread about them, but because of the public figure standard of New York Times v. Sullivan, it’s really hard for them to recover.

BUCK: Yet, Nick Sandmann, as we all know, is advocating for Kyle Rittenhouse to sue. And Sandmann, I believe, the settlements were kept private, but it’s believed he got a pretty substantial payout. But that’s to your point about how anyone can become a public figure and therefore the public-, private-figure distinction, that’s more sensible in the era of newspapers.

CLAY: In the 1960s it made sense.

BUCK: Where there’s very few people who find themselves an issue of public concern, who aren’t either an accused criminal or politician or you’re somebody who is already in the public eye.

The reality here with Nick Sandmann, was he was on a school trip as we all know and someone marched up to him and took a video of his face. He didn’t do anything. And all of a sudden they’re calling him a smug white supremacist and all this crazy stuff that they were saying, instead of pointing out that an adult and a very strange fellow was harassing him.

I don’t know what the payout was. There’s people that make all kinds of claims it was very large, it was actually very small. Who knows. But there at least should be, the accountability that we could all have is stop thinking that any of these are news organizations. Stop believing that when you read the New York Times or CNN they’re making a good-faith effort to give you unbiased, nonpoliticized information. That is not what they are doing. They have to give you accurate facts for the most part because otherwise nobody will believe them. But it’s about things like what do they cover? How do they cover? What do they not cover? That’s often the single biggest editorial decision.

That’s why I’m so outraged sitting here as we have no updates, it seems, from anywhere right now, from anyone about what happened with Waukesha and that mass murderer. How is that even possible that we don’t have more information? Who is asking the police? Who is making sure that we find out what the current status of the motive is? So what they cover, what they don’t cover is obviously a huge part of all of this. I think that it would be good to see a lawsuit here.

I know that’s what you’re talking about. But more to the point, everyone just understand, these are roaring propaganda machines out there. They don’t care that they lie to you. They don’t care that they lied to you about Donald Trump and Russia collision, about Jussie Smollett, about the Duke lacrosse case, and go down the list.

Just think about Hunter Biden’s laptop being not real or being disinformation or whatever. When they said the Hunter Biden laptop, I think it was The Washington Post published all these former Intel nerds, and I can say that because I’m one, who were saying, oh, it’s Russian disinformation.

None of them are embarrassed by this. None of them feel like, oh, gosh, I shouldn’t have done that because it served the purpose at the time. Go on offense against Trump and the right. And that’s what all these media organizations do. The moment they have to change even the facts to serve that purpose they will. So yes, sue them. You’re not going to sue them out of business; they’re insured; they have errors and omission insurance; you’re not going to be able to do that — sue them.

Although they did that to Gawker, if you remember. Gawker, Peter Thiel, God bless him, Gawker was a cesspool online, of the worst kind. There’s a precedence here.

CLAY: This goes to why he should sue. This is my argument. He needs to sue because we need to set the precedent for all those things that you just said, Buck. There needs to be a standard other than New York Times v. Sullivan that makes media companies worry that they might get hit with hundred million or billion dollar judgments that could shatter their ability to continue as viable business entities, because right now New York Times v. Sullivan, which was set in 1960s, at a time, Buck, when the only time the average person’s name appeared in the paper was when they might be born or when they might die, the idea of a public/private figure dichotomy might have made sense in the 1960s.

It doesn’t make sense in our modern era, and you shouldn’t be able to use Kyle Rittenhouse’s public persona as a reason to get so much wrong in your reporting about him. There need to be consequences. And that’s why we need an updated version of New York Times v. Sullivan in this country in a substantial way, because for people out there who believe that our media is broken — and I am with you, and I believe it is in fact broken — one of the best ways that we could change that is by altering the law, New York Times v. Sullivan, updating it for the modern era and eliminating the standards and practices that were put in place in the 1960s for a new modern era where there needs to be more consequences for these major for-profit newspaper institutions.

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BUCK: It has been very interesting to watch MSNBC in full meltdown mode in recent days after the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. There’s some reporting I saw today that some of the execs that run NBC Comcast are starting to think maybe it’s getting a little too crazy. And we’re talking about crazy on MSNBC. Joy Reid, very high up on that list, here she is, instead of saying I got everything wrong about Rittenhouse. Everything I said was basically untrue. I have no idea what I’m talking about. And, by the way, nobody got in a time machine and went back 10 years, hacked my blog and made it seem like I was anti-gay. That was just actually just Joy Reid writing and now running away from responsibility from what she just said. But anyway, here she is on Rittenhouse.

REID: Here is the question dividing America. Kyle Rittenhouse, hero or vigilante? Days after Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges including double homicide, the American right, including some of the most craven, open-inflammatory bomb throwers in the Republican party, celebrated the gunning down of three fellow Americans, leaving two of them dead, like it was the Super Bowl. Some of these professional right-wing trolls who get paid with your tax money as political representatives are now fighting over who gets to hire Rittenhouse as an intern.

BUCK: First of all, I hope she’s kind of talking about us.

CLAY: We don’t get paid by tax money.

BUCK: I know, that’s the problem.

CLAY: Maybe that’s us.

BUCK: Are we on her list of people she hates? That would be fun.

CLAY: If we’re not, I’m disappointed. But anyway, it just goes to show, would I have Kyle Rittenhouse as an intern? Absolutely. I’m sure he would show up on time, be very polite and do a good job. But my understanding members of Congress have already started to say they’re going to do that.

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CLAY: A couple days in advance of Thanksgiving. Hope you are either soon to be or already with your friends and family, getting ready for a Thanksgiving feast. One, by the way, that will end up costing quite a bit more than any Thanksgiving has ever cost before.

My father-in-law is already with me here in Florida. And he owns a meat-packing plant in Michigan, outside of Detroit.

And I tweeted this out last night, Buck.

My father-in-law owns a meat packing plant in Michigan. He’s here with me for Thanksgiving. Just showed me his turkey pricing increase: January 2020 $1.15 a pound. January 2021 it’s now $3.73 for the same turkey per pound. Insane. Direct inflation tax to customers.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) November 23, 2021

He was talking, he came over and he shared an email with me. And he said, “I know you guys have been talking about inflation a lot on the show,” and whatnot. He said, “I just want you to see what’s going on when it comes to my cost for his meat-packing plant.”

He showed me an email invoice, said January of 2020, Buck, a turkey breast cost him $1.15 a pound. January of 2021 it’s all the way up to $3.73 for the same turkey per pound.

That is pretty crazy to think about a one-year increase of what that has ended up costing him. I said,”What’s the practical impact?”

He said, “People who are buying meat are paying a vast inflation tax as a result of how much more this is costing.”

That’s direct in my own family. My father-in-law employs 100 people in Detroit at the meat-packing plant. It’s pretty staggering just to look at the tangible impact there.

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The Left Will Memory Hole the Waukesha Murders

23 Nov 2021

BUCK: We’re diving deep into the latest on out-of-control crime situation in a lot of American cities, plus updates on a lot of stories including — I would like to know where we are with Waukesha after yesterday the media telling us, the general news consensus was there would be a press conference, Clay. And I remember doing this, doing a hit on CNN years ago, back when CNN used to actually have conservatives on. But I was doing counter-terrorism analysis. And I remember it was the day of — it was Bastille Day in France back in 2016. There was that truck that killed 87 people, right?

And it was clearly a terror attack from the moment it happened. I was on with a bunch, couple of former generals, woke generals, of course, and some academic who was an idiot who didn’t know anything. And one after another, and I mean this is in the immediate hours after this mass casualties — 87 people died, mass casualty attack, and one after another their analysis or some version of, this is what happens when you don’t have good enough assimilation in Europe.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Essentially a version of, you know, hey, there’s a lot of white supremacy, this is the European context and this is the price you pay. It was horrifying. They came to me finally and I said, I mean, we’ve got to find where these Jihadist lunatics are ASAP, got warheads on foreheads, we’ve got to find their associates and lock them up forever. We are in a war for our civilization. And I remember a couple days later there was two guys, turned out they were a married couple, same-sex couple, they saw me, they came running over and they said, we saw you on CNN. And I was, like, ready for, uh-ho, I didn’t know what they were — we saw you on CNN, sir. And they’re, like, why is everyone else on that panel crazy? That was horrible what they were saying.

Like, you’re the only one who made any sense. And I was, like, they were, like, we’re liberals but that was insane. We were high-fiving and stuff. But this is the narrative creation that the media does in the aftermath of horrible attacks like this. It’s so obvious. How could it be the case, how could it be possible a day later and this guy, Brooks, who is a mass murderer, charged with five counts of homicide, ran his car through this entire parade of people, we’ve heard nothing about the motive? The motive they gave us escaping a knife incident is not credible.

Now, I can’t say what the motive is, but I do know that their story about how this was his escape plan from some other thing that nothing happened, no one even knows what they’re talking about. That is not believable. So how is it that we’re supposed to immediately move on? We know there’s a lot of politics going on. We know there are a lot of people that want to shift the story away from Rittenhouse’s not-guilty verdict and things happening here. Are we just supposed to forget about this? I think they’ll retreat into we may never know motive.

CLAY: You don’t accidentally hit people with a car. Let’s just start there. This is not some situation. When you drive through a parade at 30 or 40 miles an hour and you are accelerating, and clearly if you watch that awful video, attempting to strike innocent people in a parade, it ain’t an accident. And, Buck, I’m sorry, I just don’t buy the idea. First of all, the police have now said there was no hot pursuit. It wasn’t as if there was a police car chasing him and he made a turn. And the next thing you know he’s driving through, mowing down all these people, there’s nobody chasing him.

He already knew, based on the lenient treatment he had gotten from the idiot Milwaukee district attorney, that all he had to do was post a thousand dollar bail for vehicular assault and being involved in a domestic incident. And you’re telling me that he was so terrified of the potential consequences of an alleged knife-related incident that he decided to mow through and hit dozens of people, kill five people, and that wasn’t in some way intentional? I just don’t buy it.

BUCK: I don’t buy it either.

CLAY: And I think it’s a lie we’re being sold.

BUCK: I do have to say, when you line up what is so clear here with the way that they established a narrative that was what the left wanted to hear and believe about Kyle Rittenhouse right away.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: Based on lies.

CLAY: Lies they’re still selling.

BUCK: They’re still lying, they’re still selling this falsehood, these different falsehoods about Kyle Rittenhouse, and now somehow if you want to understand, for everyone listening, the disparity in media megaphones and media power, the game they play is how dare anybody speculate about motives. That’s reckless. How do you say anything about Brooks the mass murderer in Waukesha. You don’t know, you don’t know. Well, okay, I want to know. I’m not going to forget about this. The families are devastated, who lost loved ones in this incident.

CLAY: They’ll never recover.

BUCK: It’s never going to be the same for them. There are people who have horrible injuries from this. There’s some story about a little girl who asked the doctors to piece her back together. She’s in the hospital. Where is the news coverage of this? They had a RNC is funding some of Trump’s legal defense story on CNN while we were doing this show, Clay. I haven’t seen anything on Waukesha. Nothing at all. And I’m sorry, but it’s because they don’t want people thinking about what happened.

They don’t want people coming to the obvious conclusion, at a minimum, the recklessness, stupidity and ideological insanity of a left-wing prosecutor like this guy Chisholm, who we know is a bad dude because of what he did to Scott Walker 10 years ago. The Wall Street Journal was writing pieces — they did great work on this — about the John Doe raids. If anyone doesn’t know about the John Doe raids and Scott Walker, please go back, it was Soviet style. It was kicking in someone’s front door at 5.00 a.m. for someone who did nothing wrong and taking all their electronics, all their equipment and saying, you tell anybody about this, we’ll throw you in prison for breaking a court order. That’s what they were doing to people.

That same DA let’s this guy out, so there’s obvious recklessness there. But, Clay, the motivation this guy has BLM, I hate white people, antisemitic stuff all over his social media, and we’re supposed to assume that that is not to be discussed here? That’s reckless to talk about? Why? The same people who made up that Kyle Rittenhouse was in a militia and white supremacist are telling you don’t pay any attention to this career criminal, huge backstory of hating Trump supporters and having an anti-white animus.

CLAY: It’s another example of a story that gets memory holed. That’s what’s going on here, Buck. This story is going to get memory holed. They hope people will forget it. They’re going to say, I think you’re right; we don’t really know why he made this decision; it was a deranged lunatic deciding to kill people, which, by the way, I think is true.

But still his motivation matters. You know that if this exact same story had happened and this had been a parade celebrating, let’s say, a majority Black institution, if it was homecoming, it would be immediately a race-based crime. As soon as you flip it, nobody will even discuss it. It is an example of how broken our national discourse is.

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CLAY: We talk a lot about things that are done wrong. And one of the things we try to do on this show is be happy warriors and also praise people who are doing good in the face, sometimes, of challenges. And I don’t know how many of you have paid any attention to what’s been going on in China as it pertains to a missing tennis star. And I may mispronounce her name I believe her name is Peng Shuai. She won a women’s French Open doubles title. Accused a prominent communist figure in the Chinese government of sexual assault and basically vanished. And then something interesting happened.

Unlike in the NBA, where when they spoke about, one of their general managers did, for Hong Kong freedom, and LeBron James and Adam Silver and all the people in positions of prominence in the NBA, Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich, all of them shut up and driveled and just bowed to the alter of Chinese dictatorship. Something interesting happened in the Women’s Tennis Association, Serena Williams and many other top tennis players, Naomi Osaka and Chris Evert, they all spoke out and said that this was unacceptable that she had vanished. And the leader of the WTA, he actually said that he was willing to risk hundreds of millions of dollars in Chinese contracts over being willing to stand up and speak truth to power. Amen. Power to the WTA.

And Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton has taken it a step further. And he says that Americans should boycott the Beijing Winter Games, which remember are going to take place in February. Let’s play cut 12 here. I love seeing sports figures not follow the NBA lead and finally standing up to Chinese dictators for their lies. Play cut 12.

SEN. TOM COTTON: If the Chinese Communist Party will take its own athletes and disappear them and then march them out in hostage videos like this, what will they do to our athletes? This is a regime committing genocide against its own people. We should not be doing anything to celebrate or honor China with these Olympics games.

CLAY: Amen, Buck. I know you’re not a huge sports fan, but doesn’t it make you feel a little better to see American athletes finally stand up to China as opposed to bowing down to them?

BUCK: Yeah, definitely not a huge Chinese Communist Party fan, that’s for damn sure. Yes, absolutely. And it’s nice that there are some people who understand that you can’t just, we’ve seen with celebrities in the social media era and athletes, celebrities, same thing, is they love to take stands that are just going to get them more acclaim and popularity.

CLAY: Amen.

BUCK: Right? They love to do things that cost them nothing. We have a term for this “virtue signaling”. This is trying to get more of what they already have under the pretense of being brave. With the make-believe hero position. And when you’re actually saying stuff about the Chinese Communist Party as an NBA player, when you’ll speak out against it, you are putting your money where your mouth is. You’re doing something that could have negative consequences and ramifications for you. And you know, we are in a very fortunate period right now. We’re not in a war in this country. Not in an actual conflict overseas.

The war on parents and everything that the DOJ may have is a different kind of war, but we’re not in a war. We’re in a period of peace. But the narrative of what China is doing internally and externally is something that everyone needs to be familiar with and understand where this is going because we are heading for, not necessarily armed conflict, but cultural, economic and political collision with China in ways that we need to be prepared for today.

CLAY: There’s no doubt. And sports can be an important signal in what we’re willing to accept. And so I think again when you’ve got LeBron James and Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich and Adam Silver, all these people in positions of prominence, that are bowing down to Chairman Xi. I want to make sure we lift up people like Serena Williams, Naomi Osaka, Chris Evert and many other people involved in the Women’s Tennis Association for actually being willing to stand up here, as well as Steve Simon who is in charge of the WTA. Props to those guys for fighting the right fight.

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Stephen Colbert: Not Funny, Not Smart

23 Nov 2021

CLAY: Remember when comedians used to make jokes, Buck? Remember when they used to be kind of entertaining and everybody could sit around and have a good laugh when you watched David Letterman or Johnny Carson or Jay Leno back in the day?

So Stephen Colbert has basically turned his entire “comedy,” in quotation marks, show on CBS into a constant screed, advertising left-wing politics. There’s very little humor, because humor that doesn’t take aim at both sides is just kind of propaganda in the comedic setting. It’s what Saturday Night Live has effectively began.

So, of course he had to weigh in on Kyle Rittenhouse. And Stephen Colbert, as part of his monologue now, is talking about what the law should be as it pertains to Kyle Rittenhouse, self-defense in this country. Listen to Colbert here saying if he didn’t break the law we should change the law.

COLBERT: Big news on Friday was that after being accused of crossing state lines, killing two people and wounding another, last year during a Black Lives Matter protest, Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all counts. Okay. [Booing]. Cards on the table. I’m not a legal expert, so I can’t tell you whether he broke the law. I can tell you this: If he didn’t break the law, we should change the law.

BUCK: There’s two points that jump out right away, Clay. One is, some clarity here on crossing state lines.

CLAY: It’s a lie.

BUCK: Well, he crossed state lines, which people do all the time in this country called America. They’re referring to taking a firearm across state lines, which he did not do.

CLAY: Let’s be clear here. He didn’t even cross state lines. He was already in Kenosha the night before he went to — like he was already there.

BUCK: Right. I just mean — started to think.

CLAY: It’s also a border community. How else do you go to New York or New Jersey or Connecticut.

BUCK: Our New Jersey audience, hey, you’re in New York. I don’t know if you’re allowed to cross those state lines.

CLAY: People cross state lines all the time. It’s one of the dumbest parts of the story. It’s not remotely a crime. The gun was in Wisconsin the entire time.

BUCK: The state lines is idiotic, untrue, but they say it. They say it all the time.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Let’s get to the meat of this for the moment, the heart of it. The center of it. So they want to change the law such that you can be somewhere lawfully. You can be engaged in no criminal activity, and a mob can decide that it does not like you and does not want you there. And you have an obligation as an American to let that mob beat you senseless and possibly to death because they’re Joe Biden voters.

That would be what the change in the law here would indicate. There’s no other option. Either he’s allowed to use his rifle when the mob, on video — and Kyle agreed with what I said a week ago which is that without video he probably goes to prison, without actual video.

Folks, Clay and I aren’t sitting here saying we think this is what went down, there’s video; you can see it, we’ve seen it. Without that he probably goes to prison because of the lies. But because there’s video he doesn’t — notice what they’re saying, though. Remember when the prosecutor said, “sometimes you’ve got to take a beating.” That’s what the left actually thinks. When BLM comes to your neighborhood or Antifa comes to your neighborhood pretending to care about BLM or whatever it is.

CLAY: Or someone tries to take your car or rob your house or anything, you’ve got to let them do it.

BUCK: You see it, Clay, now in San Francisco — we’ll talk about this more in the next hour — where people are being told it’s just property crime. If someone breaks into your home, don’t do anything about it. Don’t even expect the police to show up. It’s just property crime. Let them go into the store and steal everything they want. Let them come into your home and take your bicycle or your laptop or whatever. It’s just property. What’s the alternative? Are you going to harm people when they do this to you? That is now the mentality of the left. It’s what’s the big deal? Why is this such an issue? You’re going to hurt me? Because I’m stealing your stuff? Maybe I should hurt you. This is the way they think.

CLAY: The only thing Stephen Colbert said, and I just want to reiterate again, this is his opening to a comedy show. The only thing he said in that entire statement that was remotely accurate or honest was, “I’m not a legal expert.”

Because let’s just follow him, to your point, Buck, let’s follow him down the primrose path of changing the law. What law does he want changed? You’re not allowed to legally own a weapon? You aren’t allowed to legally use that weapon when violent felons who have already been convicted of violent felonies attack you? What is his standard? If this was legal, we have to change the law. Well, what law are you changing? Like, that’s where you need to really press idiots like this. He’s got a huge platform. He’s on CBS. He’s talking. He’s got idiot people in his audience clapping along with him because they’re not paying attention to any of the details.

BUCK: Low-information. If you think Colbert is funny, you’re low-information, let’s start with that.

CLAY: But what is he actually saying? Of course, I’d have Stephen Colbert on the show. What laws would you want changed? He would never come on the show.

BUCK: I think we should start to tell any of these leftists with big platforms —

CLAY: Come on and make your argument to our audience.

BUCK: Come on, have them on the show — and people be ready for it. They’ll say things that you don’t like.

CLAY: We’ll eviscerate them.

BUCK: We’ll address the issues on air.

CLAY: We’ll eviscerate them. And to your point, Buck, and I think it’s a really good one, when I did a sports show, every now and then a left loon sportswriter would come on and get absolutely disemboweled verbally on the show because they’re not used to anybody pushing back against the stupid arguments that they make. So when Stephen Colbert says if this is legal we have to change the law.

Okay, what law do you want to change? You want no weapons allowed in private possession. That’s a pretty big deal. Second Amendment, kind of a significant part of the constitution. You want no self-defense when violent felons attack. Stephen Colbert, you have a family. If your wife is out jogging and she gets attacked in Central Park, which is happening far too often, do you want her to be able to be assaulted? Do you want her to be able to be murdered and not be able to defend herself? What are you trying to argue in this context?

BUCK: There was another incident that got far less attention where an Asian-American, you might have seen this — in Philadelphia, which has an all-time high of murder rate now. You don’t hear about it a lot — oh, wait do they have a Soros, by the way, the Soros-backed prosecutor? That’s not a conspiracy theory.

I’ve seen people say this. George Soros and his minions and his foundation and his funds goes, he has backed people like Larry Krasner. George Soros backed the prosecutor in Louden County, Virginia.

CLAY: The dad who got upset about his daughter getting sexually assaulted and got prosecuted.

BUCK: Went after the dad and showed up at that arraignment, but the kid who raped the girl, keep that quiet, in the school. George Soros-backed prosecutor.

Philadelphia just had an incident, one that’s becoming much more commonplace across the country, where a follow-home robbery. This is the thing that’s happening now. T trained us at the agency — when are you the most — when are you vulnerable? You’ve got to think about your routes and patterns. Gotta think about where you go. People returning home, the moment they see home tend to think, “Oh, I’m home, I’m close. Nothing bad’s going to happen here.”

The bad guys will follow you, usually if you live in a house, you’re off on your own, then they rob you at your own door. They’ll even make you go inside and give them more of your stuff, hold a gun to your head while they’re doing this.

They tried it against an Asian-American food delivery driver, for one of those services, Uber Eats, or whatever. He happened to be a concealed carry permit holder, and he shot them both. One of them died. One is in critical condition.

I just want to know, does Stephen Colbert want the law to change? They were holding a gun to his head, and saying give me everything you got. This guy just finished a long day, working hard. He’s Asian-American. He’s struggling to put food on the table for his family and do his best in our society. And he’s got two guys, who I’m sure have long criminal records, but just a guess, who hold a gun up to his head and say, “Give us everything or we’ll kill you,” and he draws down and shoots them both.

Does Colbert want the law changed? Should that food delivery driver go to prison for the rest of his life because of social justice?

CLAY: Should he have to get murdered so he’s not got a gun and able to protect himself? Again, the stupidity of, leaving aside the fact that he’s a comedian, the stupidity of Stephen Colbert’s argument needs to be called out by all rational people in a big way.

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BUCK: Here are the problems the Biden Administration has. The twin problems right now, the biggest ones. Well, there’s a lot of them. I don’t think we could say the biggest ones, but two of them that I want to focus in on with Clay for a second. One is inflation. Here is Larry Kudlow, who knows that with the big Build Back Better Biden super-spending situation, it’s going to get worse.

KUDLOW: I feel it’s going to get worse, yes. I don’t know what’s going to stop it. The pandemic inflation, as I call it, the supply-chain shortages and that stuff. Has lasted longer. But I think that’s actually beginning to taper down. But what’s not tapering down is the monetary inflation, the Feds’ balance sheet. The Fed is ex-jamming bank reserves into the economy. This is excess money. Nobody wants this money. They already have more money than they know what to do with, for heaven’s sake.

That’s what sustaining inflation. And unless he deals with that, Jay Powell, yes, it’s going to get worse, too. That’s my fear, it’s going to be longer, the inflation will be more durable. And eventually the economy and the stock market will suffer.

BUCK: Yep, that’s one big problem they’ve got. Clay, the other one is in this identified or addressed in this political piece: “What Democrats discovered largely through focus groups in Poland” — this is Josh Kraushaar’s Twitter — “was even worse than expected. The problems for the democrats cut far deeper than the failings of McAuliffe or Biden, rather than the Democrat party’s entire brand was a wreck.”

“What Democrats discovered, largely through focus groups and polling, was even worse than expected. The problems cut far deeper than the failings of McAuliffe, or Biden’s flagging approval ratings. Rather, the Democratic Party’s entire brand was a wreck” https://t.co/Ag1s49Vl90

— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) November 23, 2021

CLAY: It’s toxic, that’s why I keep saying it, but it’s true. There’s lots of you nodding your head out there who never would have listened to Clay Travis or Buck Sexton three years ago. You have been driven to us by all the lies you have seen in the media on a day-to-day basis and by the absolute toxicity of the Democratic Party. And I think when they ultimately do sort of the review, the deep dive into what happened and explain 2021, 2022 and what we’re headed to in 2024, what they are going to find is that the Democrat Party turned itself over to Twitter in the belief that Twitter was real life and the reality is Twitter is a carnival funhouse mirror that doesn’t remotely reflect what real Americans care about on a day-to-day basis. Because most Americans are too busy to sit around hitting “refresh” on their Twitter screens all day long. Now media can do that.

It doesn’t mean that Twitter isn’t entertaining and that there’s not lots of stories there. But an analogy, wrote it in my recent book, Buck, hey, if you were trying to figure out whether or not you were in good shape or what you needed to do, if there’s a lot of us putting on weight during the holiday season. If you went to a carnival and you stood in front of one of those old funhouse mirrors that make you look too tall or too fat or too wide and you tried to judge the right way to fit your diet by looking at that reflection in that carnival funhouse mirror you would get a distorted sense of reality and your response would be worse than if you had never looked in that mirror in the first place. That is Twitter and what it’s done to the Democrat Party, it’s destroyed the brand.

BUCK: They’ve got a big problem, because how do they turn all this around? They’re going to rely on Joe Biden they’re going to have quite a issue. They don’t have a charismatic leader. They don’t have a leader who seems he’s entirely or even perhaps somewhat of sound mind.

BRIT HUME: I don’t think it’s at all clear that he intends to run again, but I do think that, as a political matter, you have to say that. Because if you suggest or hint or outright say that you’re not going to run again, that makes you instantly a lame duck. And lame duck presidents don’t do well. People, their influence wanes overnight. So I think this was boilerplate in a sense, but boilerplate that had to be uttered.

I think it’s a far cry from certainly, he will run again and he’ll be in any condition to. In fact, I think the thing we have to watch is the question of whether he serves out his first term. He’s clearly deteriorating, he’s clearly senile, and his health is, despite his doctor’s claims to the contrary, you know, when you’re falling down stairs and so on as he did climbing the stairs to Air Force One, that’s worrisome.

BUCK: This is Brit Hume. I know Brit a little bit. I know his work well.

CLAY: Middle of the road, not going to be the guy throwing grenades.

BUCK: He calls it like it is. And he’s using words like “senile” and “clearly deteriorating”.

CLAY: He nailed it. That’s a reflection, Brit Hume is speaking for the majority of Americans. That’s what the majority of Americans believe right now. And every single day, week and month Joe Biden falls further apart. I do agree with him that publicly Biden has to pretend that he’s going to run in 2024 because as soon as he says he’s not, he has no political capital at all. And that’s why he’s got a lie right now but there’s no way they can drag him across the finish line.

BUCK: What’s the smooth way to do the whole, Hey, you know how we said he was fine? Actually he’s not. Here’s our next candidate, America, for you to support as a Democrat. There’s no easy way to pull that switch. And what does it mean for Kamala, by the way?

CLAY: It’s Kamala versus Mayor Pete.

BUCK: That would be an interesting one. The intersectionality warfare that will be going on will be amazing.

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BUCK: They’re still lying about Kyle Rittenhouse. They don’t seem to care that we all have seen the facts, he gave an interview to Tucker Carlson. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. They hate this kid. Even though he’s been shown to have done nothing wrong from a legal perspective also nothing wrong from a moral perspective unless the real position, and I think there was a moment where it was clear that the prosecutors here, bunch of libs, probably watch a lot of MSNBC.

There was a moment, remember I said the Milwaukee DA, we’ll talk more about Waukesha later on, Clay, the Milwaukee DA and Waukesha is in fact the same guy who sent in, like the Stormtroopers in predawn raids going after Scott Walker associates for campaign coordination that was illegal between PACs and the campaign. And you weren’t allowed by law in Wisconsin, it was an abuse of a John Doe law meant to keep people’s identities safe when they’re being investigated. You weren’t allowed to talk about it. That’s why it was so horrific. These are the kinds of lib prosecutors that are involved in this.

CLAY: They’ve got blood on their hands. They’re imbeciles.

BUCK: His office made the decision to let out Brooks, who then killed all these people.

CLAY: For a thousand dollars.

BUCK: Yeah, for a thousand dollars. But if I can back here for a moment to why they hate Kyle Rittenhouse. They hate him more I think because he’s now shown to be a good kid.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: They hate him because they stand with the shot, child rapest and the girlfriend abuser who was shot and the guy screaming the “N” word, waving a gun around and attacking and hitting with a skateboard. The people they are trying to elevate as the good guys here are, honestly, the worst in society.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And Kyle Rittenhouse is a good kid. And Joe Scarborough, who is an overpaid fraud and an idiot, is still running around saying anybody who talks too nice about Kyle Rittenhouse is a bad person.

SCARBOROUGH: Yes, he was not guilty. The jury found him not guilty. The prosecution couldn’t proved its case. At the same time this guy is no hero, and these people on the far right, the fascist right that are trying to turn him into a hero, they’re not doing the country a favor, they’re not doing whatever party they belong to a favor, and they’re not even doing Second Amendment rights a favor.

BUCK: Well, he’s wrong on all accounts. He’s doing all those things a favor. Self-defense still counts in this country. Without that, the whole rule of law crumbles. That’s really what was at issue.

CLAY: To respond to Joe Scarborough’s idiocy there, a big part of what shows like this and what Tucker did in the interview is not trying to turn Kyle Rittenhouse into a hero. It’s merely trying to allow him to reclaim his own story. It’s refuting the idea that he’s a white supremacist. It’s refuting the idea that he traveled across state lines with a weapon, which continues to be spread like crazy. This was a kid, if you listen to the interview, Buck, who went to Kenosha to do his job as a lifeguard in Kenosha.

Spent the night at his friend’s house and woke up the next morning, saw all the footage that night of the riots going on, went and cleaned off graffiti at a school in the morning. Met people who were hoping that their business would not be burned down, and went to try to fill the void of protection created by the idiot governor of Wisconsin who had allowed chaos, bedlam, looting, pillage and rioting to take over the city.

BUCK: So interesting, you can just break this down by saying the night before the Rittenhouse shooting, self-defense, lawful, ethical, self-defense incident, would you have felt good to have your photo taken with Kyle Rittenhouse? Absolutely. Would you have wanted to have been within 500 feet of the three maniacs who he shot who were attacking him absolutely not.

CLAY: No. Would you want your kids within 500 feet of them? Hell no. Because they’ve been charged, at least one of them, with child sexual assault, have been convicted and served time.

BUCK: We stand with the hero and they stand with the lunatic and sex offender.

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