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EIB 24/7: Clay & Buck’s Stack of Stuff

30 Nov 2021

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Buck: Where’s the Media on the Hunter Biden Scandals?

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Buck appeared with Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH) to discuss the latest in a string of scandals and abuse of power by Hunter Biden, none of which he’s been held accountable for. Democrats lectured us endlessly that “nobody is above the law” when Donald Trump was in office, so what happened?

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Alex Berenson: It’s Just Another Pandemic Monday

29 Nov 2021

CLAY: We are joined now by Alex Berenson. His new book, Pandemia, is coming out this week. He’s been on with us quite a bit. Alex, thanks for joining us and let’s dive right into it. Are you currently curled up in the fetal position in your hazmat suit with 18 different masks on over the latest variant from South Africa, or is this more covid fear porn?

BERENSON: (laughing) How did you know? I’m in the closet. I’m in the basement. No. This is… Look, unfortunately, it looks — and I hate to be this cynical and I hate to be this dismissive of the health authorities, but they’ve earned this. This looks like a joke. Okay, the South Africans — and, frankly, it’s not a joke. It looks like an effort to sort of try to get people to get their boosters because booster demand is flatlining.

And first dose demand is flatlining and the vaccine mandate is sort of on the ropes and it looks like a pretty desperate effort, because if you look at what the South Africans — who are the ones who actually have been treating people who have this variant — are saying, “Yes, it’s very transmissible, but it looks actually much milder than others.”

CLAY: Be a good thing if that’s true, right?

BERENSON: Yes.

CLAY: We would want this to spread widely.

BERENSON: That’s right. It could be the final evolution of this. We don’t know, okay? It’s very early. Okay? And perhaps there’s a world in which it all goes dead and it’s not very transmissible it’s equally or more pathogenic than the Delta variant or other variants. But we certainly don’t know that. It doesn’t look that way, and so you really have to ask yourself:

“What was behind this sudden coordinated global panic?” Certainly, it looks to me like it was the boosters. People don’t want to get boosters, vaccine efficacy is failing, this is a way to make an excuse for that, and we should all be very cynical. And, by the way, stock market went down on Friday. It’s up today. So clearly the market is saying it doesn’t think there’s much here.

BUCK: Alex, it’s Buck. It has been a couple days.

BERENSON: (laughing)

BUCK: Thanks for being back. Good to talk to you. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving. What are we seeing now? The term “breakthrough” doesn’t seem to get used very much anymore in this country for cases. Are there numbers? Are there official numbers on how effective the vaccines are after six months and how many breakthrough cases we have? Because it feels like we should have a lot of that data, but I don’t see it. I’m looking around for further clarity on this. I mean, essentially at what stage of the vaccine plateau or dip are we?

BERENSON: That’s a great question. My best guess — and some people have actually been saying this and I just Substacked it in the last few minutes — is that we’re rolling off vaccine efficacy right now. The peak vaccine months were February through May, and we’re now six months out, which means six months out from May, more than six months out from February.

That means that those people are losing any protection against infection or transmission, if you believe the U.K. and Swedish and Israeli data. Our data is terrible, but those countries have pretty good data, and it shows that essentially protection goes to zero against infection and transmission. And so I think that’s why — or that’s one reason why — there’s this desperate push for boosters, because the Israeli data also shows that if you give people boosters, you temporarily pump up their antibodies and you get some protection back for a meter of months.

Now, it’s completely unclear that that’s worth the risk of boosters, the risk of long-term impacts from getting your body on the cycle, but the health authorities clearly don’t care about that right now. All they care about is if they don’t get people boosted, the numbers for December, January, February, are gonna look terrible, and everyone is gonna wonder — even the stupidest people in the world are gonna wonder — “What have we been doing the last year?”

BUCK: What is the Fauci plan, by the way? What do you think? I ask people this now because it’s so clear, it seems like “everyone gets the shot” has to be plan including the children. We played NIH Collins before, the director of the NIH saying, “Look at kids in the ICU,” as if that’s a real explanation. What is the Fauci plan as you see it at this point for America to deal with covid? I don’t just mean the next two months. I mean the next year.

BERENSON: Why would you think they have a plan that goes out more than two months? I think they’re hoping to get to this Pfizer drug which we’ve talked about which may be effective. Look, I’m gonna talk about my book here for a minute, and the reason I’m gonna talk about it is when I was writing Pandemia, and when you read the book, it really does catch the last 18-24 months.

And one of the things that became clear to me is they’ve been wrong over and over again, okay, and everyone knows it, and the number… They’ve been wrong about so many things but the thing they’ve been so provably wrong about that was so important — and I’m gonna tell you, I was right about this — was school closures. The schools should never have been closed, and that was obvious as early as May 2020 okay? And I’m not saying this in hindsight.

I said it at the time. Keep the schools open. It is wrong. Kids are very, very low risk from this. We know this. They don’t spread it to teachers. They don’t give it to adults. They get it from adults. They should not be penalized. And all these people, all these people on the left, all these health authorities, everyone in the media, practically, said, “You want to kill grandma!” I got called horrible things on Twitter and off. Okay?

And guess what? We’re 18 months later and that is the consensus. The consensus is the schools should never have been closed, that we denied kids a year of schooling, we took advantage of them; it was wrong. Okay. Has anybody been punished in any way? Well, I’ll tell you who’s been punished. The governor of Virginia is a Republican or will be Republican because of this. So the voters know.

But the media and the public health authorities and the Democratic establishment have just pretended this didn’t happen, and I think that’s… I don’t know what’s gonna happen in the year, 18 months with the vaccine. But there’s certainly a world in which this all just kind of goes away and we just pretend that we didn’t try to get the whole world to get these shots.

The efficacy just goes to zero, and there’s some kind of halfway decent therapeutics out there, and this just goes away, ’cause that’s what happened with schools, and it’s kind of what’s happened with lockdowns in the United States. Nobody is seriously talking about lockdown again. So when I wrote Pandemia, it was stunning to me how wrong they’ve been on just about everything and how no one has called them on it.

CLAY: Alex Berenson with us now. We’ve called them on it on this show. You’ve called them on it, which is one reason you’re not allowed to be on Twitter anymore. When you look ahead, Alex, I’m glad that you’re writing your book because I think it’s so significant to start to put all of these failures together for the public record to be written in the years ahead.

BERENSON: YES.

CLAY: Right now, we’re still in the Joe Biden “if you wear a mask, if you get vaccinated, this thing is gonna go away.” Is actually natural immunity going to be the savior here in that so many people have had this virus that the number of people that can continue to spread it are going to naturally be diminishing because of the massive spread? Is that actually gonna be the savior more than the vaccines, maybe?

BERENSON: It certainly looks that way. I mean, there’s two things. There’s natural immunity and there’s the fact that the virus should — quote-unquote, “should” — tend to become more transmissible but less virulent, more like a cold.

CLAY: Which is what could be happening in South Africa in an ideal way, right?

BERENSON: That’s right. That’s exactly right. If what the South African was saying is true, that is what’s happening. You don’t know yet. But that… Yes. So those two things. Here’s the one potential problem. If the vaccines don’t just sort of cause their own immunity to wane in a few months after the antibodies wane, but if they actually interfere with the development of your own natural immunity following infection, then we could have this large group of people who are gonna be more vulnerable to this than they otherwise would be.

I’m not saying we know that. We don’t know that. I’m just saying there’s a little evidence that that’s a risk. But barring that, yes, everybody’s gonna again corona. Many, many, many people in the United States and around the world have already gotten it. Those people should have good natural immunity now.

BUCK: What do you think…? We’re speaking to Alex Berenson. His book, Pandemia, is out this week. Alex has been on the front lines and willing to say things that have proven true on covid when people were literally yelling things at him like, “You want grandparents to die!” I’ve had the same phenomenon. Alex, I’m worried that they’re gonna rewrite this.

You mentioned the school situation. I think they’re gonna be furiously rewriting. The moment that this really just fades — and who knows when that will be, but it will come — they’re going to be acting like everything they did was brilliant and amazing, and Fauci is gonna walk around saying that he saved millions of lives. I just want you to react to what you think when you hear this guy say in a nationally televised interview that he is science.

BERENSON: (laughing) He doesn’t even understand what science is, if he says that, okay? Science is a process. It’s a process of discovery, a process of having theories, testing them, and seeing if they’re right or wrong. And science is a tool, too, okay? I’ve said for a year and a half. Oppenheimer made the atomic bomb, right — Oppenheimer and his scientists — but Truman decided to drop it. It was a political decision, and it was a military decision.

Science provides the tools. Science can say, “Hey, we think masks work really well” or “they don’t work really well.” But it is up to us as a people and to our leaders — the ones we decide to lead us — to make the decision, “Hey, it makes sense to make everybody wear a mask, or it doesn’t,” and that has also been lost from the beginning of this, and it’s one thing I write about in Pandemia. The scientists shouldn’t be in charge. It is not their role and we’ve sort of forgotten that.

CLAY: The masking and the school closures and the vaccine, how does this all end? Last question for you. This is the question that Buck and I have been debating on the show and talking about with our listeners for a long time. How does this all end? How do we go back to normal? When are people not gonna be wearing masks on airplanes? What is the time frame still?

BERENSON: I think a lot of it has ended. I don’t wear the mask on the subway anymore when I’m in New York City and nobody says anything to me. I think a lot of people have gone back to normal. If the vaccines are merely useless in the long run and not actually dangerous. Let’s just hope that effectively —

CLAY: We’re hoping now that they’re useless.

BERENSON: That’s right. We’re hoping they’re useless. Then it will just end. Everyone will get it and we may see a less dangerous, more transmissible strain, and the therapeutics will continue to improve, and Anthony Fauci will say, “I did this with the vaccines.” He will be the equivalent of the rooster crowing at sunrise and thinking he made the sunrise. In fact, he’d just been in the way and made it worse for a year and a half. But I think we’d all take that on Team Reality right now, right? Let’s just have this end. That’s sort of my hope at the end of Pandemia that we just all walk away.

BUCK: Alex, any major concerns from you about where this all goes?

BERENSON: Well, yeah, there’s political concerns. You see in Europe they’re pushing lockdowns, and I do think there’s a risk that the vaccines actually are driving some long-term biological processes that are worrisome.

BUCK: Oh, man. Alex, even bringing that up, the left gets… Oof! Oof! They get very upset about that.

BERENSON: I’m not saying that there’s proof, okay? I’m saying that it’s a risk worth elucidating right now. That’s what scientists should be doing, looking at this: Ruling it in, ruling it out, explaining how it might be happening. So there’s a medical risk, and a there’s risk that somehow this mutates in some terrible way, but it doesn’t actually look after a year and a half like that’s a serious risk, but it’s a risk. So those are the risks. But I guess… I don’t know. Maybe I’m just in a good mood today ’cause the book is coming out tomorrow. But I’m feeling a little more optimistic.

BUCK: I like it. I like the optimism. I’m glad that the worst-case scenarios with regard to some of this stuff have not occurred. And let’s roll with this optimism and this positivity, Alex, and tell everybody where they should get your book, Pandemia, which anybody who’s enjoyed the interviews you’ve had with this here on the show — many, many, many of them now — should definitely pick up.

BERENSON: Sure. So Pandemia is available in bookstores. It’s available on Amazon. There’s an e-book. There’s an audiobook. Buy ’em all! Buy ’em for your kids. It makes a perfect Christmas present, or it doesn’t. But buy it anyway. But no, really, guys, I love being on with you. I think those of us who see the truth have almost a responsibility to talk about this as much as we can.

BUCK: We’ve tried really hard, man. Alex, thank you so much. By the way, I’ve really appreciated you. Here in New York City in the early days of this thing, it felt like there were so few voices of sanity when we were going through absolute madness here in the early days.

BERENSON: Madness! (laughing)

BUCK: Total “Pandemia,” you could even say.

BERENSON: Pandemia — and I will say one last thing. The best thing about the book might be the cover picture which I took just left of Times Square in 2020 and is an empty street and it is amazing to me that Times Square was ever empty. That should never happen again unless it’s smallpox or something that is true a threat to us.

BUCK: Yes, like civilization ending, which is how people are reacting to this thing. Thanks so much. Alex Berenson. Pandemia is the book.

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A BLM Fanatic, Not a Car, Committed Waukesha Mass Murder

29 Nov 2021

CLAY: I’m kicking back, watching football over the weekend, and I see a CNN story come across my timeline, and it is so absolutely, astoundingly, absurdly perfectly wrong, that I wanted to make sure that we talked about it and didn’t fall victim of the same thing that New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, and CNN — among other mainstream media outlets — are.

This was a headline from CNN yesterday: “Waukesha will hold a moment of silence today marking one week since a car drove through a city Christmas parade, killing six people and injuring scores of others.” A car, Buck Sexton. Not a man driving a car. Not even, more specifically, a black man, it appears, attempting to kill white people at a Christmas parade in Wisconsin, in direct response, potentially, to the Kyle Rittenhouse story.

A Black Lives Matter supporter who had previously written negative things about white people, racist thing about white people on his social media accounts, CNN eliminates him completely from this story and turns it into the story of a car — driven by we don’t know who — running through a city and killing six people. It’s shameful, and it’s embarrassing.

BUCK: And there are reasons that I think are very apparent for why they do this. On the one hand, there is the very serious possibility that this was, in some way, spurred on… By the way, this guy, of course, is mentally unstable. I’m sure they’ll talk about how he has a history of mental health issues or whatever. But that’s not the factor. There are tens of millions of people across the country who struggle with mental health issues and they’re not — obviously — violent, homicidal, mass-murdering maniacs, right?

So that’s not the key fact here. That’s not the key point of this. What is? Well, he had a history of support for BLM. He had a history of saying he wanted to hurt white people specifically, and this is right after the Rittenhouse trial. So the media at some level might be aware — I think there are subconsciously, at least, aware — of a complicity in the creation of the narrative that Rittenhouse was a racial issue when it wasn’t, right?

But now it would be, “Oh, my gosh. Not only did we lie about that for so many months because it gave more ammunition, so to speak, to our side in the political fights out there, but also this has now resulted in loss of life.” That’s one part of it. And another part of it is, Clay, we could live in a country — we could very well live in a place — where we hold individuals responsible for what they do, and we don’t constantly have people who are trying to push… One side has collective guilt for things.

The other, of course, does not. In this case, conservatives, people who are on the right, whenever anyone does anything that is either loosely affiliated with the right. We hear about white nationalism and white supremacy and the insurrection, the overthrow of the country. Maybe we could just live in a place where we realize that that’s reckless to connect people to things to which they have no connectivity, no ideological or personal involvement in. But the left doesn’t want to give that up! They want to keep lecturing. Every time there’s a white school shooter, they want to write editorials about how the biggest danger in America are “angry white men.”

CLAY: They wrote that story within a day or two that the biggest threat to America was white men. And we had a caller who I thought crystallized this last week. Sadly, your identity defines your actions as opposed to as an individual everybody being responsible for what they did. And it crystallized, great example, in Boulder, Colorado. A guy walks into a grocery store in Boulder, Colorado, and mows down a ton of people inside of that grocery store.

Early photos of that guy, he looks like a white guy. You can see his skin. Twitter does its thing. The Blue Check Brigade loses its mind blaming white people — white men in particular — for all the evils that exist in society. And then it comes out that the guy is a Syrian immigrant or at least of a Syrian-immigrant family, and the story basically disappeared. The same thing is happening right now with this man who not only hit people while driving his car, Buck. He was steering his car to try to hit as many people as possible.

BUCK: This was a mass murder. In no way, shape, or form was this accidental, something that just happens, spur of the moment. This guy decided, “I’m gonna go kill all these people with my car,” and that is what he did. It is mass murder! How often have you even seen that term used? How often has anyone used the term “terror attack,” which this clearly was? We’re not even discussing this anymore?

CLAY: Have you heard anybody, Buck, mention…?

BUCK: Kyle Rittenhouse shot three rioters who were attacking him, and it was like the big story of the left saying that the right has gone crazy and vigilantes and all this stuff. This just happened, Clay, and we’re not even talking about it anymore in the media. They’re not discussing it.

CLAY: Have you heard a single person talk about this as a potential hate crime? If a white person with any sort of social media history that suggested racism at all had mowed through a black crowd, had hit 50 black people, killing six of them, immediately there would have been a connection to white supremacy and a demand that there be a hate crime investigation. Have you heard a single Republican or Democrat say, “Hey, can we look into this? Can the Department of Justice look into this to see if potentially this was a hate crime? Can the state of Wisconsin?” I haven’t heard any of it.

BUCK: Let’s be real about this for a second, okay? If instead of, in this case, a black guy killing — a black guy who was a lone BLM supporter — killing six people…

CLAY: Out on a thousand-dollar bail.

BUCK: Out on a thousand-dollar bail for trying to run somebody else over with his car! If the facts changed here, and you had someone who was a minority who claimed that they had — there were nooses hanging from the ceiling — you would have dozens of FBI agents. You would have the Biden administration investigating the rise of hate in this country and all this, and I’m talking about an incident where no one’s actually hurt! Look what happened, NASCAR and the pull-down string and all this.

CLAY: The Bubba Wallace story.

BUCK: You had the FBI all over the place. With this, you have candlelight vigils. It wasn’t a tornado that came out of nowhere, folks. It was a mass murder by somebody spurred by hate — and it is a hate that is being spread by a Democrat media apparatus that is constantly self-aggrandizing by talking about how racist this country is and how people are being killed for their skin color without consequence all the time. But is that representative of the facts?

Maybe it’s a little reckless, Clay, for the media to run around pretending that this is the most vicious, racist, evil country on the planet when it is actually the opposite of that. Maybe they should stop this at NBC. But then they’d feel guilty about belonging to their not particularly diverse golf clubs over at the NBC newsroom. The New York Times? Yeah, they all live in really diverse neighborhoods, the New York Times editorial board, ’cause they care so much.

CLAY: Well, what should happen is what the courts try to do is treat everybody individually responsible for their own actions, and we don’t immediately group and identity politics everybody based on what might have happened. And, by the way, Twitter bears a lot of responsibility for this because everything that immediately happens that is a tragedy is immediately branded based on the identity of the person, not the individual him- or herself.

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Leftists Continue to Target Rittenhouse

29 Nov 2021

CLAY: One bit of news that is getting a lot of attention — should be getting more attention, in my opinion — is the idea that Kyle Rittenhouse should not be allowed to go to Arizona State. There is a protest — and I’m curious whether Arizona State is going to be willing to stand up to students that are demanding that Kyle Rittenhouse be kicked out of school.

Now, I think the reality is if Kyle Rittenhouse is kicked out of school at Arizona State, there will be other schools that will step forward and say, “Hey, we would love to have you as a student in the wake of your not-guilty verdict.” That remains to be seen. But I believe, Buck, we have a caller who wants to weigh in on that situation that is underway right now, a great debate that I think is going to continue to grow over who is allowed to go to school based on what they may have in their background.

BUCK: Absolutely. Remember 800-282-2882, friends, if you want to call in. We’ve got a lot of lines lit, one or two spots open out there. And we have with us now Chris in Utah. What’s up, Chris?

CALLER: Hey, how’s it going, guys?

BUCK: We’re good.

CALLER: Hey, this is about Kyle Rittenhouse, but it’s a little bit different than ASU, and this is a petition that’s been on Change.org by a group called Real American that want to petition to the Department of Justice. It’s a click-and-sign, and it’s for civil rights violations and hate crimes. And if you read the email, it’s outrageous, it’s misleading, and just out-and-out lies. More of the same, white supremacist and just painting it as a Jew hater and a person who just doesn’t like black people because he was at a Black Lives Matter rally.

CLAY: This is an anti-Kyle Rittenhouse situation?

CALLER: Absolutely.

CLAY: Yeah, look, Kyle Rittenhouse — we talked about this, and I believe it’s significant — needs to file a lawsuit, and I believe he will, against many of the people at MSNBC, CNN, the Washington Post, New York Times that labeled him a white supremacist with no evidence of that fact and, frankly, really challenged his ability to get a fair and free trial.

Now, the challenge that he’s going to have is the standard in New York Times v. Sullivan of public-versus-private figure is very difficult to reach. The reason why Nicholas Sandmann has a better case, Buck, because he wasn’t in that point in time interjected into a story. He was just a kid on the steps at the Washington Monument when people started to attack him based on his video.

Whereas Kyle Rittenhouse had a trial and everything else associated with it. But if Arizona State bends to demands that he be removed from their roster of students, then I think this is going to be, unfortunately, another sign of the times for a kid being unable to get an education based on politics. By the way, remember, there’s tons of kids —

BUCK: It’s a school, right, Clay?

CLAY: — on campuses with all sorts of crimes in their background that are enrolled in schools now.

BUCK: There’s no way they would get…? First of all, they’re not gonna do it. The outcry here… He was acquitted, right? It’s one thing if someone’s guilty of charges. You’re acquitted. That means that all of your legal rights, all of your standing in the community as a matter of your interaction with the state which being at a state school certainly is, would continue as is.

But this just goes to show you that the alternative to the perpetuation of the lie among people on the left that Rittenhouse is a racist is to admit that they lied, right? So they’d rather keep going with it… You’re seeing this a little bit with Russia collusion these days too. There are all these pieces popping up, Clay. You may have seen some of this in the last week or so.

“Just because the dossier is fake doesn’t mean Russia collusion wasn’t true.” No, that’s exactly what it means, but they’d rather double down on the lie than have to accept that they are liars. And the same is true of Kyle Rittenhouse and the allegations of racism from the media. Remember, the media was not complicit in but leading the charge in that defamation, and if he’s not a racist, well, why?

What have we learned? Oh, from the trial we learn that there is no basis for calling him a racist in the first place. But these schools, Clay, it’s like Bolsheviks. Go back to the Soviet revolution, right? You only need a committed few who are total lunatics and people who won’t stand in their way and won’t stand up against them, and they’ll run everything.

And that’s what’s happened in college campuses. You know, there’s a reasonable amount of people that are somewhat sane that are in college administration. When I say “somewhat sane,” they’re Democrats, but they’re not completely out of their minds. But 20 or 30% of them, maybe 40 or 50% of them — it’s college campuses — are completely insane, and they call the shots.

CLAY: And that’s what’s really scary about the world that we live in right now. It’s a tiny minority, typically, that is dictating decisions like these. But there’s so many people that are afraid of being the target. There’s so many professors at Arizona State are gonna say, “Hey, you know what? Kyle Rittenhouse deserves to be enrolled on campus here.” But they’re all terrified that if they speak out, they’re going to end up being the targets.

And if you are the target, then, your own job is at risk, your own standing in the community is in jeopardy, and that is why there is such an amazing amount of silence from people who otherwise — a lot of people right now listening to us, Buck, who are — would be afraid to say that they listen to this show because of what might happen to them because people would say, “Oh, my God! You listen to Clay Travis? You listen to Buck Sexton?” even though we’re the most honest, the most rational, most reasonable people I would say in all of media.

BUCK: It’s a badge of honor. We should give people decoder rings or something, so they know, “Oh, you’re a Clay and Buck listener? Now I know it’s cool. We can have a normal conversation,” right?

CLAY: You can have a disagreement, too. You can just have a normal discussion.

BUCK: Yeah, that’s it. I wonder, by the way, if anybody out there had a really contentious Thanksgiving dinner politics discussion. I’d be curious to hear about it. In my family, let’s just say we’re all aligned in love of country, freedom, and God. So it’s not a complicated one in the Sexton household.

CLAY: Every Thanksgiving I’ve ever been at, there have been people who voted for both sides of the equation. This one was no different.

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Dangerous Fauci Declares, “I Represent Science”

29 Nov 2021

BUCK: Science is supposed to be something where you’re able to ask questions, right? You are supposed to be able to have debate. You’re supposed to have a discussion about what’s real, what’s not. Test and retest, hypotheses. There’s a scientific method. Sometimes you’re wrong. You say, “Hold on. Could this be the case?” You try it out; it’s wrong. You say, “Okay, we learned something new;” you move forward.

Someone says, “Well, I disagree.” You go, “Okay, let’s test it.” That’s what science as we were all taught in grammar school is supposed to be. But, folks, it’s all wrong. I hate to be the bearer of bad news. The notion of science as an approach and a discipline, an intellectual discipline based upon data and truth. That’s not now. Dr. Fauci is actually science believe it or not. He is “science,” the walking embodiment of it, The Messiah of science is that evil little Smurf walking around in his lab coat. Here he is.

FAUCI: Anybody who’s looking at this carefully realizes that there’s a distinct anti-science flavor to this. So if they get up and criticize science, nobody’s gonna know what they’re talkin’ about. But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there’s a person there. So it’s easy to criticize. But they’re really criticizing science, because I represent science. That’s dangerous.

BUCK: No serious scientist or human being would ever say that unironically out loud, Clay, “I represent science.” He’s every bit as bad as I’ve said he is for almost two years now.

CLAY: Also, let’s put in context how this interview happens. We have requested Dr. Fauci to come on this show ’cause we have questions we’d like to ask him. We’d be respectful. He’s declined, saying he doesn’t have time. When I watched this interview with CBS they had an entire room set up for an in-depth interview on Face the Nation. For people out there who don’t understand how these kind of things get set up, this is a weeks-in-the-process sit down interview with Dr. Fauci in an effort for him to be able to directly combat his critics with almost no pushback from his interviewer.

When he says “I am science,” which, as you said, “The state is me; I am the Senate,” these are statements that are megalomaniacal, right? I mean, these are not normal things that a person would say. But when you actually break it down, he seems to me, Fauci, like he is feeling the heat on a level that he may not have before. Because this feels like an interview he’s doing to try to cancel out some of the negativity.

BUCK: There’s that and there’s also something that I think we’re gonna talking about more probably in a few months than we are right now, but that is what is the history of this actually sound like and look like, this whole pandemic response? Fauci wants to ride this thing out in his position to the end so that they can claim victory.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I know this is gonna drive people nuts, but the shutting down of playgrounds so kids can’t go outside to protect them from covid, the arresting of the paddleboarder out in California? All of that will be swept under the rug. There will be “Fauci saved millions of lives and the Biden administration was putting him in the position to do so!” That’s the narrative that they want to cling to.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: We got Fauci out there just in the last hour, actually, on TV. This guy’s on TV every five minutes, and people I know who work in TV for a living, TV news, are on television less than Anthony Fauci is. You have to ask why that is. But I want to get to this ’cause it matters. I mentioned this with Clay in the last hour.

If we read for all the things that we have learned — all the violations of civil liberties, all the constitutional violations that have gone on, everything we’ve seen during the pandemic… Remember, they shut down churches, they told kids that they couldn’t go to parks and padlocked them as if they’re unsafe outside. They tell you to mask up between bites. They tell you to double mask and then they forget all about it because it’s bizarre.

They tell you to Lysol your groceries, all these things that have happened. That’s all forgotten about by the left, by Democrats, by Fauci, and in the history of this, which has a tremendous political importance, a lot of power will come from this, when we finally get through this and it will be in the next year or two, I think, that people will finally start to calm down.

They will hold themselves up as heroes, and Anthony Fauci will walk around acting as though he saved millions of lives by constantly harassing people, destroying their businesses, immiserating them with no actual positive consequence. Donald Trump pushed Operation Warp Speed. We all wanted a vaccine. Two-hundred million Americans, I think, have now gotten the vaccine.

A vaccine can be helpful for sure for people, and we’re hoping that people that are at high risk get the vaccine and others who just want it get the vaccine. The problem comes in with the mandates, right? We’ve been having in ongoing discussion for a long time. Why do I know that Dr. Anthony Fauci is a fraud? How we know this from the beginning?

For one thing, he lied about masks by his own ignition, and I don’t plan to let him forget about that. He said it was for our own good. But would a doctor tell you, “Oh, well, that an antibiotic won’t actually cure that infection.” And you find out, “Oh, he just wanted to save it for other people who might need it more.” Is that ethical? That’s what he did on masks. I actually don’t think that’s what he did.

I think he just changed his tune to suit the needs of the lockdown left. But put that aside for a moment. Here he is — and, Clay, this drove me up the wall over the weekend. People all know how I feel about that; they have for a long time. I’m probably… Honestly, he probably would come on. I don’t know. He might come on and talk to you, Clay. He’s not gonna come on and talk to me anytime soon, especially with the impersonations. But here he is saying January 6. Wait. What the heck does that have to do with anything?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Cruz told the attorney general you should be prosecuted.

FAUCI: Yeah, I have to laugh at that. I should be prosecuted. What happened on January 6, Senator?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think that this is about making you a scapegoat to deflect —

FAUCI: Of course!

MARGARET BRENNAN: — from President Trump?

FAUCI: Of course. You have to be asleep not to figure that one out.

BUCK: Clay, what the heck does that have to do with anything? Why is Anthony Fauci telling everybody January 6th? You and I know why.

CLAY: Because he’s a left-wing political prop. That’s what he is. And, unfortunately, who did this interview for Face the Nation? It’s an embarrassment for CBS. Any kind of intelligent interviewer when you had that awkward Fauci laugh would have cut him off and said, “Well, all due respect, what does that have to do with January 6th at all? You are the topic here.”

So deciding to deflect to something that is just really a sign to everybody out there, oh, I’m one of you, right? That’s what Fauci is doing. He’s throwing himself on the left wing of this country because he knows — and I do think there’s a lot of truth to this — that if you are on the right team. They will excuse everything. It doesn’t matter what you’ve said historically, doesn’t matter what you’ve done.

If you’re a member of their team, then they will give you a pass for everything. And so the fact that Fauci has been wrong on virtually every bit of advice he’s given for two years. Remember 15 days to slow the spread? We’re coming up on two years of Dr. Fauci try to go to up there and continuing to try to lecture us about the science and the fact that he “represents the science.”

When again, this entire interview was an embarrassment not only to Dr. Fauci but to CBS News because there was no pushback on that concept. That is such an irrational, outlandish, maniacal thing to say, and it represents anti-science. For anybody out there that actually cares about science, science about rigorously questioning everything. That’s what science is. And this idea that Fauci has in any way represented the science is an embarrassment to anybody who is a true scientist.

BUCK: This is why we all wonder — we should all wonder — why is this guy still the face of the response? We should also take a moment and ask ourselves, has the public health establishment in America covered itself in glory over the course of this or has it been playing catch up and wrong and wrong some more? Now, remember, we’re not talking about your doctor, your MD, your ER who are doing the work of trying to keep people alive and safe. We’re talking about the policy makers at the top of the CDC, the people who are making judgment calls based on all of this. Does anyone feel like they’ve done a good job?

CLAY: No. Is this what a good job looks like, where we are right now?

BUCK: I’m amazed, Clay, how many people still refuse to believe that more Americans have died under Joe Biden’s time in office from covid than died in year one of the pandemic when we had no vaccine and very little idea what we were dealing with, we had less therapeutics, we didn’t have monoclonal antibodies, all these things, more people have died under Biden than Trump.

How is that now not something that people are more aware of? Again, I ask these questions rhetorically same reason why I believe up at CNN, they’ve got the coronavirus pandemic, you know, numbers up there, but they only have the current numbers. Whatever happened to the “how many Americans have died from covid” number? Gee, where did that go, guys? Why did that one disappear from the news ticker?

CLAY: Well, this is, to me… I’m less disappointed in Joe Biden than I am in the media that should be covered Joe Biden.

BUCK: Joe Biden’s a jackass. Come on.

CLAY: We didn’t have high expectations for Joe Biden and Joe Biden is also a politician. Politicians — no matter what stripe you prefer of your politician — often dissemble, lie, don’t necessarily share the best factual data. But science? Science is supposed to be a check on politicians. Science is supposed to be about data, and also about debate.

And, Buck, the combination of Big Tech and Big Science has shut down so much. Remember when you weren’t allowed to say, “Hey, this probably came from a lab leak out in China?” Remember when you weren’t allowed to say, “Hey, masks probably don’t work?” and, by the way, you still aren’t really allowed to say that!

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Here Comes the Omicron Fear Porn

29 Nov 2021

CLAY: We have got bans on African travel, which we were all told was wildly racist when Donald Trump did them. But because of the new variant coming out of South Africa it now is totally acceptable since Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are doing it. Florida’s data has some positives: All-time low in hospitalizations from covid going all the way back to April of 2020.

No mask mandate, no vaccine mandate in Governor Ron DeSantis’ free state of Florida. We will discuss that. We are going to be joined by Alex Berenson in the third hour of this program to discuss the latest on covid data. Of course, Alex has been banned by many social media platforms, but he can talk directly to all of us through this program, which is a voice of light amid the darkness. Buck Sexton, how was your Thanksgiving?

BUCK: It was excellent, although there was certainly some discussion around the Thanksgiving leftovers tables over the weekend — ’cause we had food for days and I was with family — about what happened now, Clay, ’cause you see you bring news of what it feels like to have relative covid freedom as a person who lives free. Still when you get in an Uber; you go to the airport…

I’m here in New York City. It’s panic central, as you know. There are masks on people outside all over the place, all over again, even though we were told… We’ve already been through this. In the springtime, you’ll remember, there were stories, “You probably don’t really need masks outside unless you’re really close to anybody.” People are freaked out.

Biden is speaking right now as we talk to everybody across the country about these travel restrictions that you’re mentioning, notably on South Africa. It’s already in a whole bunch of places, this Omicron variant, and let’s take our moment because everybody has been making the same joke here. It was supposed to be — or it would have been or may have been — the Xi variant. I’m not even sure if it’s the Greek pronunciation, so it’s X-i. However you say it.

CLAY: Chairman Xi is the way I would say it.

BUCK: Yes. Exactly. They’re skipping Xi because they don’t want it to be the name of the Chinese premier as the variant of the virus. So that’s why we’re at Omicron right now, and this is just another moment of time where we have to look at what exactly are they telling us? We’ve been told, “Oh, my gosh. It could be so much worse because of the mutations.” There are actual mutations on the virus. And again, I don’t understand the epidemiology. I understand policy.

But they’re looking at this and they’re saying, “Okay, it could be worse. We don’t know if it’s worse.” So what are we really doing? Okay. We’re gonna have these travel restrictions in place. You say, “Well, the travel restrictions right now, Biden says, won’t stop the variant, and we already have our hospital capacity and therapeutics and all these things that we’ve been gearing up for.” So it’s not like at the very beginning when — as you and I know, Clay — stopping travel from China was racist when Donald Trump did it.

CLAY: Totally racist.

BUCK: Totally racist. That was a different circumstance based on the timing of what we see here. But what’s very clear is that this is yet again another opportunity for there to be additional pressure on everybody must get not just vaccinated, but boostered if vaccinated because they don’t want to wait for the numbers to come out. They want people to do this, everyone to do this, including children to be vaccinated.

And, Clay, that’s what this really comes down to. It’s a moment for them to tell everybody, “Forget natural immunity. Forget everything. You must get the shot or else.” Everybody is gonna be saying, “You must get the shot or else” for the entirety of the wintertime under this administration.

CLAY: This new variant comes out of South Africa, and there is an immediate media panic that has ensued, a political panic that has ensued in the blue states and among the usual covid fear porn purveyors. We don’t know all of the information about it yet, but we do know that the South African doctor who identified this new variant has been urging calm, saying there’s no reason to panic.

Only mild symptoms so far. The stock market, by the way, on Friday dropped a thousand points. We had restrictions coming out all over the place. Your home state of New York, Buck, they’ve done away with any sort of surgery that’s nonemergency elective surgery. It’s been ended. But let’s listen to what she had to say. Cut 8, the South African doctor discussing her discovery of this new variant.

DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: Looking at the mildness of the symptoms that we are seeing currently, there is no reason for panicking as we don’t see severely ill patients. The most predominant clinical complaint is severe fatigue for one or two days with the headache and the body aches and pain. Some of them will have what they call “a scratchy throat,” and some will have a cough, a dry cough. But it’s not a constant cough. It comes and goes. And that’s more or less the big symptoms that we have seen.

BUCK: So, Clay, also there’s a point here about when people say it comes from South Africa, that’s actually not even known epidemiologically.

CLAY: Right. We don’t know where it originated. It was discovered in some way in South Africa.

BUCK: That’s right. So it may just be that they had been testing very aggressively in a certain area and found it first because it already is in other places. So this notion that we can isolate, even, the origin a lot of virus like this or even the first… Does anyone think this is the first mutation or the first variation? It’s not like there’s a variant mutation and we get the patient zero, so to speak, the first guy.

This is just where they’re finding it, which means it’s already here. Fauci even said it’s already probably here in America. I think they’ve even had a handful of cases, Omicron cases in Australia, which is very locked down, which is why that’s noteworthy. It still has a lot of international travel restrictions. And then right now, Clay, you know, Fauci is addressing the country.

And I do think that he is the worst public health official in the modern history of the United States and arguably in the planet. But put that aside for a second, he — and we’ll come back to it — must vaccinate the world to beat the pandemic. This is now the new message. “The whole world must get vaccinated to beat the pandemic” is what the messaging is from the Biden administration. How long is that going to take?

CLAY: Well, and also especially when the vaccines aren’t particularly effective at preventing the spread of the virus. This is what we said, by the way, on this show for months, that one of the reasons why they argued that every single person out there had to be vaccinated in the United States — kids particularly, people who’ve already had covid — was they said, “You don’t know where the variants are going to emerge.”

And we said on this show, “Actually you can kind of come up with a mathematical probability, and it’s going to be the country where there are large populations and where the virus is spreading most significantly.” Delta we think came out of India and now this newest variant is coming out of Africa. Huge populations there. The virus is gonna mutate.

By the way, we should say this too. Some viral mutations could be favorable. We’ve only been focused on “Delta makes it easier to spread,” all those things. It’s possible — oftentimes this happens, Buck — where a virus mutates to become easier to transmit but far less virulent. So it could be that this new variant out of South Africa, which the doctor who found it…

Let me make sure I get her name right. We were just listening to Dr. Angelique Coetzee. It could be — and we’ll talk about this with Berenson in the third hour — that some of these variants that emerge actually are helpful because they are less debilitating and significant even in the case of the elderly as these variants spread. The mutations, in other words, could be beneficial as opposed to always being negative which is the way the media covers it.

BUCK: And yet the panic that ensued on Friday I gotta tell you felt so overblown from the perspective of an administration that at this point has had multiple variants. I think this is why they’re having this presser, and Biden’s still now talking to the country. He says, “I don’t believe shutdowns or lockdowns will be needed.” The fact… This is right now — right as we’re talking to you — Biden’s also saying, “Everybody should wear a mask indoors.” They want to go back, based on this. You have that South African doctor saying… Look, she’s essentially describing symptoms of a mild cold.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: I think we all know that. When you’re talking about a slight sore throat, fatigue, maybe a prett medium cold. Biden is saying, “I don’t believe shuts down or lockdowns will be needed”? The fact that their mentality is that we would ever go back to that? The answer to that should be, “No, never again. It wasn’t effective when we did it the last time! You’re gonna do this again?” This just shows the mentality. These people have lost their minds.

CLAY: They have, Buck, and there’s never gonna be lockdowns in red state America again. Never, ever, ever are people going back to that. I don’t even think people in the red state America are going to wear masks. And what I keep waiting for — and it hasn’t happened yet — is for blue state America to say, “We’re done with this.” New York, California, Michigan, Pennsylvania, places where — Illinois — there have been Draconian dictator-like metrics that have been undertaken that are doing nothing to make people safer.

By the way, this is the significant part. Florida — and I wanted to read this ’cause I doubt that anybody else is hardly even going to discuss this in the media. I think it’s kind of a significant details. This is this morning. Florida announced that they now have the lowest rate of covid hospitalization that they have had going all the way back to April of last year.

Under a thousand statewide hospitalizations for the first time since they began tracking this beginning in April of 2020. Florida has the lowest case rate in the country and the second lowest hospitalization rate. No covid vaccine mandate and no mask mandate virtually anywhere in the state. I was down there for Thanksgiving, Buck, and in the free states — Tennessee, Florida, Texas, I was in Alabama for the Iron Bowl — you would never know covid had ever existed.

BUCK: Okay. Herd immunity for the win.

CLAY: So you sit there and say, “Okay. Sooo what exactly is the way forward in these blue states?” Explain what their plans gonna be.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: What is the difference between a Donald Trump travel ban and a Joe Biden travel ban when it comes to slowing down the spread of covid, let’s just say? Now, there are a lot of things that may come to mind, as I pointed out in the early days of the pandemic. We didn’t really know nearly as much about it as we do now about covid, and we had to get hospitals ready.

We had to get geared up. But we’re geared up now, right? And we also know this variant is all over the place. We understand the — to borrow from Fauci — “dynamics of the virus” much better than we did before. But then why is it that there are still all these tweets out there from Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and others about how racist it was when Donald Trump had travel bans?

DOOCY: Before Joe Biden was president, he said that covid travel restrictions on foreign countries were “hysterical xenophobia,” and “fearmongering.” So what changed?

PSAKI: Well, I would say first, to put it in full context, Peter, what the president was critical of was the way that the former president put out, I believe, uhh, a xenophobic tweet, how he called — what he called the coronavirus and — and who he directed it at. The president had not been critical of travel restrictions.

We have put those in place ourselves. We put them in place ourselves in the spring. But, no, he does not believe… He believes we should follow the advice of health and medical experts. That’s exactly what he did in putting in place these restrictions over the weekend.

BUCK: No, she’s rewriting history. That’s actually not what the objection was to Trump. The objection was you are doing something that is racist because using a travel ban it involves China because you’re doing it. It wasn’t just ’cause of some tweet.

CLAY: Kamala Harris said it was racism. Joe Biden said it was racism. Nancy Pelosi said it was racism. And now they are doing the same thing to South Africa and other African nations, and it just points out how rank the hypocrisy is when it comes to the way they responded to Trump’s travel bans compared to the travel bans that they have now implemented on these African countries.

Which we hope, by the way, this variant is not going to be as debilitating as so many people in the Biden White House already seem to be preparing for based on the South African scientist herself who uncovered this variant and said that so far it has been very mild in terms of its overall impact in it. But is important to point out how blatantly full of lies so many of the responses to Trump were that are now being embraced by the Biden White House.

They’re trying to get Remain in Mexico back in place. We were told that was racist. We should point out too that while they are putting a travel ban in place, the border at our south remains 100% open. So if you are concerned about new variants of covid coming into the country such that you are putting a travel ban in place for many African countries, how in the world are you not testing anyone for covid as they enter the country?

Or — I would reiterate again — while you’re trying to mandate vaccines for citizens, you are not mandating vaccines for anyone entering this country? Because they know, Buck, that if they tried to do that, they would be struck down as unconstitutional and then a lot of people would say, “Wait a minute. If you can’t mandate vaccines for illegal immigrants, how in the world are vaccines being mandated for American citizens,” and that’s a tough one.

BUCK: I don’t know if their objection is that it’s unconstitutional. They may be, but I don’t think they care. First of all, they often don’t care, as we know, from what they did with the eviction ban, right? They’ll do things they know are flatly unconstitutional.

CLAY: They don’t want to set the precedent.

BUCK: Well, they don’t want to do it. They don’t want to do it. Because they feel differently about illegal immigrants because they’re a special, protected class of people so they don’t want to stress them out and “Oh, my gosh. We’re gonna make you get the shot?” No, no, Americans have to get the shot. But if you come into the country illegally, you’re a special, protected class.

They’re thought of, any illegal immigrant… You have to remember this, everybody: Every illegal immigrant, Democrats consider to be a victim. It doesn’t matter what their status is in life, why they’re coming. If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’re a victim of America not making you legal. I know that’s crazy, but that’s actually the thinking of the Democrat Party about illegal immigrants.

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Jussie Smollett on Trial for Fake MAGA Attack

29 Nov 2021

BUCK: We have a trial underway soon here for Jussie Smollett. That’s right, everybody. Remember Jussie Smollett? The trial starts today. Jury selection underway. Now, this is, of course, a much less serious issue — orders of magnitude less serious — than some of the recent trials that have gotten media attention. But there’s a reason that Clay and I want to take a moment to talk to you about this one.

The way that people on the left — the Democrats — get things so wrong over and over and don’t seem to care, it is fascinating. It’s almost like everybody who is in the corporate Democrat media and certainly all the members of the Democrat Party are lawyers for anybody on the left out there. It doesn’t matter — truth, lies, innocence, guilt, whatever — as long as we’re pushing for our team. I give you, as Jussie Smollett goes to trial…

Remember, Jussie Smollett is a laughable liar who faked a hate crime in such absurd fashion that people like me… Clay and I weren’t on the same show together then, but this is a few years back. I’m sure Clay was right there too. We we’re just saying, “If you believe this, you’re just honestly not very bright or you’re pretending to believe it because it suits the narrative.”

Kamala Harris tweeted this out: “Jussie Smollett is one of the kindest, most gentle human beings I know. I’ll praying for his quick recovery. This was an attempted modern-day lynching. No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or the color of their skin. We must confront this hate.” Clay, this is now vice president of the United States. Then she was senator. How could anyone have heard this story not said, “Okay, so, this guy wants attention and he’s lying”?

CLAY: Well, just the idea that very many Trump people knew who Jussie Smollett was, at its most… When this story came out, I didn’t know who Jussie Smollett was. I didn’t watch Empire. But I’m way more plugged in than the average person would be when it comes to entertainment who was voting for Trump. The idea not only that you would know Jussie Smollett but that you would know him on sight, that you would know his sexuality? I have no earthly idea. All of this was so absurdly ridiculous.

BUCK: On sight at 2 a.m. —

CLAY: In a super nice neighborhood.

BUCK: — and it’s 35 degrees outside in Chicago, and you happen to find him with your MAGA hats on and you say, “This is MAGA country!”

CLAY: You’re just walking around in the street with nooses like in your MAGA hat. Yeah, I would say this for everybody. If a story seems too insanely perfect the narratively, question it. Be skeptical of initial media reports. I was one of the few people… So the Jussie Smollett around the same time — do you remember — that Michael Bennett came out said, ” I was profiled in a Las Vegas casino!”

He was a football player and everybody in sports covered it. “Oh, my God. Michael Bennett, poor example of racism,” and then the videos came out, and he was running. He was refusing to accept police responsibility. All these things, if everything in the narrative… If you’re checking every box so that your side wins in a story, oftentimes it’s too good to be true, meaning it’s manufactured and made up. And this is the vice president! That tweet’s still up, isn’t it?

BUCK: Oh, it is. It is indeed. I just remember, I learned a lesson years ago about media coverage with the liberal media, the lib media — maybe just call them “the Marxist Media.” That would be fun. That would upset them. But the way that they all jumped on the story of the UVA, fraternity rape story that was in Rolling Stone magazine. I remember this. Do you remember what year that was? It was earlier in my career.

CLAY: It was 2014 or something like that.

BUCK: It was much earlier in my career, but I remember my family. It came up and I was sitting at a family dinner, and I had just read the article before dinner ’cause it was everywhere, right? I remember I looked up my family and I just said, “Yeah, I don’t believe it.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I was angry at myself because you know what my thought was when I read that story Rolling Stone? Because people say, “How’d you know?” Uh, the dialogue was absurd? It was like something out of some after-school special. “Oh, man, this will ruin your reputation!” I was in college. You were in college. They said that a young woman with glass in her back, bleeding, ran through a party shrieking.

No one called police? No one? The whole thing made no sense. But, Clay, you know what my thought process was? And this reminds me of Jussie Smollett. That’s why I’m mad at myself. I think, “They can’t lie that big. There must be something to this. They would know their credibility would be zero if they lied about something so big so egregiously,” and now I realize — I mean, I’ve known this for years — no, they’ll lie about everything as big they can see get away with and they could care less when they’re caught.

CLAY: Well, that for me was the Missouri hoax, all of the race hoaxes —

BUCK: At Mizzou?

CLAY: Yeah, at Mizzou. All of it was made up. They had a hungry striker, poop swastika, all that, and I was skeptical years before that. I hadn’t quite been red pilled yet but he was skeptical when the Duke lacrosse story came out the same way you were about the UVA case. All of the details in that case didn’t make sense to me as someone who had covered college athletics for a long time. I’m not saying people don’t hire strippers and throw crazy parties. That happens. But it doesn’t happen the way that it was reported in Duke lacrosse.

BUCK: In the Duke lacrosse case was interesting because in that, there was at least a framework of plausible fact, right? And then the story didn’t line up. And then, of course, the guys were all innocent. They were charging somebody who was at an ATM machine miles away, the whole thing. As we all know, Nifong, the prosecutor there, is an evil human being.

CLAY: He went to prison.

BUCK: Yeah. He was disbarred. The woman, by the way, in that case, the accuser went on to murder somebody. They didn’t charge her with essentially a fake report, false report she went on to kill somebody or manslaughter. So maybe they should have charged her — just as an aside — just like they’re charging Jussie Smollett right now for false report, which is what they should be to bring this all full circle. But in the Rolling Stone magazine piece about UVA, it was a complete fake. It was a top-to-bottom fabrication.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It was like a Russia collusion hoax.

CLAY: Kavanaugh gang rape allegations which got covered like they were real. All of this, I would just say in general, “Be skeptical of everything that you read. Be skeptical.” Just in the back of your mind be thinking, “Wait a minute. Is this really true?” Because so much of it is not.

BUCK: This is why I’m furious about — and I saw you tweeting about it (and I knew you would be) over the weekend — the way they’re talking about Waukesha, they’re writing the headlines for Waukesha, for the mass murder hate crime/domestic terror attack in Waukesha. The way they’re writing about it, it’s like a garbage truck came off the emergency brake and a tragedy ensued. No! A human being killed a lot of people.

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BUCK: “The law needs to have teeth.” There you have the LAPD consultant Deon Joseph saying, “You gotta enforce the laws on the books, friends, you gotta punish those who are breaking the laws and stealing stuff or else it keeps going; in fact, it gets worse.” Clay, more of these thief mobs over the weekend, more video of it. This is organized theft that’s happening. This is something that is a plague in retail across the country.

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