Dr. Makary Explains Why Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Backfired

28 Sep 2021

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BUCK: We start, Clay, I think with our conversation, our ongoing conversation about natural immunity versus vaccinated immunity, which should have been a discussion in the entirety of the medical bureaucracies. It should have been talked about by Fauci. We should have had this open conversation.

It should have been appearing in Biden speeches for the last eight months or so. Hearing about the natural immunity number, hearing about where we’re heading as a country when it comes to herd immunity because of it. But as our friend Marty Makary — Dr. Makary — points out here, there has been an intentional effort by the people in charge to downplay and even undermine natural immunity.

DR. MAKARY: Hospitals — and businesses, for that matter — need to be more flexible with the vaccine requirement and really converted to an immunity requirement. Many hospitals have already started to do so because they’re not following the blind, indiscriminate guidance of the government. They’re following the guidance of science.

Science makes it very clear that natural immunity — which, by the way, many health care workers had from risking their lives on the front line. Many of them recognize that this is a form of immunity — and it may be, in fact, more durable than vaccinated immunity. So, St. Luke’s Hospital in Pennsylvania, Spectrum Health in Detroit, and many other hospitals are now saying, “Look, if you have natural immunity, we credit that towards an immunity requirement.” That’s what they’ve done in Europe and in Israel, and that’s what we need to move to here, or we’re gonna be dealing with severe supply shortages of staff.

BUCK: There is no excuse, Clay, as we know, for that standard not be instituted, and yet the Fauciites continue to fight it.

CLAY: They do, and at some point, Buck — and I don’t want to go full conspiracy theorist here. But don’t you at some point have to wonder whether that’s related to the amount of money that these companies get for every vaccinated individual when the government is funding this? They keep talking about the “free” vaccine, which is really not free, right?

We’re all paying for that vaccine through taxes. And it is so illogical to not be discussing it when in reality we know the data reflects and it keeps coming out of Israel — where they actually have, it seems, reasonable and rational data — that natural immunity protects us more, especially against the covid variant, the Delta variant, than the vaccine does.

And so, wouldn’t we want to know how many people have natural immunity? Wouldn’t we want to know if we were being reasonably intelligent adults if 77% of people now 18 and up have gotten at least one covid vaccine, which they have, wouldn’t it be reasonable to ask the question:

How many of the 23% remaining are not anti-vax, Donald Trump-supporting red state, redneck lunatic loser idiots, and how many of them are actually people like me — or the NBA player Jonathan Isaac who we played earlier — who already have natural covid immunity? Wouldn’t you want know about that 23%? In fact, let’s listen to Jonathan Isaac one more time. Let’s play cut 2.

ISAAC: I’ve had covid in the past and so our understanding of antibodies, of natural immunity, has changed a great deal from the onset of the pandemic and is still evolving. I understand that the vaccine would help if you catch covid and you’ll be able to have less symptoms from contracting it. But with me having covid in the past and having antibodies with my current age-group and fitness, physical fitness level, it’s not necessarily a fear of mine.

I would say, honestly, that the craziness of it all in terms of not being able to say that it should be everybody’s fair choice without being demeaned or talked crazy to doesn’t make one comfortable to do what said person is telling them to do. Yeah, I would say that’s a couple of the reasons.

CLAY: Hey, I’m starting to wonder, Buck, how many of these NBA players are gonna be looking…? First of all, Jonathan Isaac, credit. I would encourage you to go follow him. You can see that full video. I mean, super smart response from him. We also played you Bradley Beal. These are two NBA players who are refusing to get vaccinated because they’ve already had covid. They’re basically taking the same tack that I have so far.

How many of these NBA players are having a realization — maybe their own form of red pill moment — where they’re recognizing that the media who is covering them which, by the way, is demonizing them. Jonathan Isaac is getting crushed by the Blue Checkmark Brigade for having the audacity to not immediately be subservient to the vaccine oligarchs and go get his shot.

How many of them are starting to recognize this is an eye-opening moment for them where they’re starting to realize that that the media, which everybody says you have to trust and listen to, is fundamentally dishonest oftentimes? And it’s interesting, Buck, how quickly these guys have gone from, “Oh, we need athletes to use their voices!”

And as soon as these guys are raising questions, it’s like, “Oh, no, no, no, no! Not that way,” right? “Not that way! Not with that kind of intellect. We need you to tell us how great BLM is and how awful America is. We don’t need your opinion on whether or not the vaccine makes sense in your individual scenario.”

BUCK: There are very real consequences to all this as well. People trust the health authorities right now… The CDC, the NIH, and the Biden administration which oversees HHS, they trust them less than they would otherwise, with good reason because recently when Biden unveiled the mandates, when he gave that speech, there was not a single…

I remember ’cause I watched it and then I went back and read the transcript to make sure. There was not a single mention of natural immunity in the entire speech about how we get through covid. That’s deliberate. This is a choice that has been made to pretend that really the foundational truth of a pandemic — which is that people get sick, people survive, people get better; the population then is more protected — somehow doesn’t apply in the era of — to borrow from what I say the governor of New York wants — “in Pfizer we trust” or “in Moderna we trust,” as if these are celestial beings who have deigned to give us the answer here to the pandemic, Clay, when we know that it’s certainly not the answer they were promising a few months ago.

And we’ll see how much longer it even lasts into the winter period. But of course people are gonna be asking questions about this, and of course it’s can be counterproductive. Back to our friend Dr. Makary, he says that since the White House announced the vaccine mandates, here’s what’s actually happened when it comes to people getting vaccinated.

DR. MAKARY: You know, it’s a mischaracterization, and it’s inaccurate, and it’s scientifically imprecise. And if we really want to do everything we can to reduce the avoidable harm, that is people dying today are adults are no natural immunity and no vaccine. That’s where we need to focus our efforts right now. If you look at the blanket and indiscriminate vaccine mandates that came from the White House after they were announced, vaccination rates on a daily basis have gone down 20%. That is, we were doing about 810,000 a day, and now we’re down to about 650,000 a day. That’s because it hardened people who see the overreach of government. Those are the people we want to encourage to get vaccinated, not alienate.

BUCK: People see the blunt force trauma of government overreach, and in this country, they rightly react with revulsion. Now, they’re still making decisions about whether maybe at this point they get vaxxed if they haven’t or not. And we on this show have been very clear, people at high risk we advise because we say everyone, even Alex Berenson —

CLAY: I told my parents yesterday at dinner, Buck. I told me them, “Hey, you should probably go get the booster.” They’re 77 years old. As we get ready for fall and winter, I said, “You get a flu shot every year; I would encourage you. Even though you’re frustrated with the Biden communication, I think it makes sense as your son, I’m telling you I think you should get the booster.” I would tell everybody that who’s listening to us that’s over 75.

BUCK: Absolutely and for a lot of people they would even say err on the side of caution if you’re 65 and up.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You see, though, what has been done to us in this country, even. We haven’t gone quite as far as Australia, but the only reason Australia has been able to justify in its own mind — the state there has been able to justify — the extreme measures, is because it’s an island and they were able to cut off travel. So they think they just masked up properly. But that’s a delusion.

And it’s a delusion that’s led to a country of 25 million people where they have now months of Sydney being under 9 p.m. curfew. They have people that are getting tackled out in the streets for wearing a mask and being in public. There’s a radius, a distance that you’re allowed to be from your home. If you go beyond that…

They’re giving people $3,000 fines, Clay, for breaking some of these idiotic covid protocols. Any government official who thinks they have a right to prevent you from being out in open fresh air and force you to breathe through a cloth because they say so, is a tyrant! We need to remember this. They were a tyrant, by definition.

CLAY: It’s also predicated, Australia’s entire policy, on the idea of Covid Zero, which is a fallacy which is not going to exist, which Dr. Fauci continued to sell up into and through May. This idea that we were going to eradicate covid — like we eradicated smallpox, for instance — that’s what they were selling. And in Australia, it’s like it slowly dawned on them.

Yes, we’re an island, and, yes, we’ve been able to restrict travel, but we can’t shut down Australia forever. At some point, we’re gonna have to return to normal life. And when that happens, it’s likely that because there’s almost no natural immunity in Australia, it’s gonna spread through there like wildfire because they’re not gonna be able to reject the virus. “Virus is gonna virus,” as our buddy Alex Berenson says.

BUCK: And as one thing that I think we’ll see continue to play out is, they don’t want to get answers about the societal costs here to all of this. Like the people that would normally be looking into how bad is the learning loss of students in this country? What has it meant for poor people — I mean, truly poor, not poor by American standards — around the world to have so much economic disruption? What has it meant in countries like India, for example, where they instituted all these policies and suffered horribly from covid anyway? We can’t get honest answers from people.

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“Blah Blah Blah”: Greta Thunberg Mocks Biden

28 Sep 2021

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BUCK: I will never forget a few years ago when Greta Thunberg was, I think, 16 at the time… She’s an adult now and a public figure. So you weren’t allowed to criticize her. One of the reasons the Democrats liked Greta Thunberg so much was that they all worshiped the child emperor of climate change, and if you said anything about how, “This is bizarre.

“She’s 16. She doesn’t know how a pizzeria works, never mind how the global economy should work,” you were shouted at for being a child basher. That was the term. Clay, were you ever called a child basher for criticizing Greta? Because I was once or twice. And I wasn’t even bashing her. I was making fun of the adults who listen to her.

CLAY: Yeah, that was the whole process. I understand. They try to paint you in a corner, right? The minute you come out and respond to someone who was stepping into the public arena, and they were under the age of 18. It was like, “Oh, my God. How dare you disagree with somebody under the age of 18?” which, again, it’s kind of the Democrat plan, right?

They don’t actually attack the substance of what you say. They attack your ability to say it. So if you criticize Black Lives Matter, it’s not a criticism of Black Lives Matter. It’s an endorsement of your own racism or your own “white fragility,” and if you said something negative about Greta Thunberg, it was a function of you hating kids, not —

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: — disagreeing with her positions.

BUCK: Which is also insane, of course, but it’s a human shield tactic, and that’s why they liked it. I mean, every adult who listened to Greta Thunberg when she was going to the U.N. and on CNN should be deeply ashamed. But I think this is great because when the left… Clay, when the crazy left goes after the crazy left it is a highly entertaining spectacle because you’re watching people that have neither principles nor sanity go after each other.

It’s like the Iran-Iraq war when Kissinger said, “You hope they can both lose.” Here is Greta, who is now an adult, so they can’t play the, “Oh, she’s just a kid. Why are you…?” Remember…? I love when she was like, “How dare you,” and everyone was supposed to be, “Oh, my gosh. She’s challenging the world to save itself from climate change!” Here she is mocking the Biden administration on climate change leadership issues.

THUNBERG: This is not about some expensive, politically correct dream at bunny hugging or blah, blah, blah. “Build back better,” blah, blah, blah.

CROWD: (clapping)

THUNBERG: Green economy blah, blah, blah! Net zero by ’25, 2050, blah, blah, blah.

ONE PERSON: (clapping)

THUNBERG: Net zero by 2050, blah, blah, blah! Net zero! Blah, blah, blah. Climate neutral blah, blah, blah. This is all we hear from our so-called leaders: Words! Words that sound great but so far has led to no action.

BUCK: Climate change is a religious belief for people who think they’re too smart for religion, and she is a high priest of this religion. Clay, I honestly believe she could get up there and say, “Climate change” and then just say, “Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah” the whole time, and people would clap in that audience like trained seals. It doesn’t matter what she says.

CLAY: Yeah, and we talked about this before. I literally spend no moments of my life worried about climate change.

BUCK: Zero.

CLAY: Zero. I mean, there are lots of things that I’m concerned about, the fact that we just had a new murder rate record of growth going back to 1960 from the FBI, the fact that we’re about to have the highest tax increase of all time — the fact that we have a president who is, I believe, mentality incapable of analyzing tough decisions and understanding the data to be able to make reasoned choices as it pertains to leading our nation’s response to covid.

Those are just a few of the things that I think about and worry about on a day-to-day basis. Climate change, literally, I do not think about it, other than when we occasionally play a clip or I scroll through the news feed and see that it’s a story of the day. I turn the page. I just really don’t spend anytime on it at all.

BUCK: I mean, I could… There’s interesting conversations to be had with people about things like the U.S. role in Afghanistan. You can get into some back-and-forth and understand that at least there are some competing values.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: The climate change catastrophists are just Looney Tunes. I mean, they really are. I can’t even have a conversation with them because it has gone into the realm of the brain where there should be, in my opinion, a relationship with God in some sense of an actual meaning beyond the here and now. They have filled it with Mother Earth and we have to protect her but not if it means they actually have to take shorter showers. You, Clay, have to take shorter showers.

CLAY: Yeah. They’re not going to give up flying private jets or not have their yachts.

BUCK: They get to be in the private jets. They’re not gonna sell you their homes on Martha’s Vineyard or in Malibu at a discount for some reason, even though they think the coasts are gonna be underwater in 10 years. It’s so strange how that happens.

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Democrats Don’t Understand Basic Business

28 Sep 2021

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CLAY: I think what’s going on as we work our way through this budget process is every year the Democratic Party has become more and more divorced from the idea of understanding basic business, and I’m gonna play a couple of clips here from people who just don’t understand the basic rules of economics.

And, not surprisingly, Jen Psaki leading the charge of the Biden administration on this 3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. She was asked about the possibility of taxes going up basically through the charges for products rising because of taxes going up for corporations. And I want you to listen to her completely illogical response to that question.

REPORTER: The Joint Committee on Taxation say more than 16% of taxpayers would see their taxes increase under the bill that’s approved by the House Ways and Means Committee. Will the president sign that bill, or will he insist on the changes so that he will maintain his commitment that taxes won’t go up on people making $400,000 a year?

PSAKI: I have not looked at the document. Obviously, the president’s commitment remains: Not raising taxes for anyone making less than $400,000 a year. There are some — and I’m not sure if this is the case in the report — who argue that in the past companies have passed on these costs to consumers. I’m not sure if that’s the argument being made in this report. We feel that that’s unfair and absurd and the American people would not stand for that.

CLAY: Wha…? That’s what business does, Jen Psaki! When their costs increase, in order to make a profit, they have to increase what they are charging customers or else they lose money. That’s the very foundation of basic-level business knowledge. And I don’t care whether Jen Psaki thinks, Buck, it’s “unfair and absurd” that that’s the basic rule of capitalism, but this is the kind of lack of knowledge we’re dealing with.

BUCK: The principle for an economy in the hands of social justice warriors should be a terrifying thing to everybody because they do not understand the basics of supply and demand, of costs. They ignore this stuff constantly. The Democrats… Really the Americans largely now the American Socialist Party, or they share a lot of DNA and a lot of hopes and dreams with what we would consider straight-up European socialists.

And all you have to do is look to our south and you see a country, for example, like Venezuela or Cuba. But Venezuela is the example that I have in mind where if you run an economy on “fair” as in social justice, right, another these are terms that are used — on equity, right? Not equity like the stocks that one trades but on equity on what is a fair outcome according to people in four, you get disaster.

That’s actually at the heart of the Venezuela crisis is everybody knows. The Venezuelans used to be pretty well off certainly by South American and western standards as a nation they have the largest proven oil reserves in the world — larger even than Saudi Arabia — and yet it’s a country that has had trouble feeding itself in recent years.

And this is because, Clay, one they instituted price controls because the rich, bad capitalists were making things too expensive. Jen Psaki you would think from the sound bite would say, “Wow, the Maduro regime. They’re really about fairness because they said, ‘A dishwasher doesn’t cost X. Let’s make it cost Y just ’cause we say so.'” That was the beginning of the spiral.

Also, of course, land appropriation, redistribution, government intervention, government seizure, lawlessness and crime in the streets. A lot of things that Democrats in this country are comfortable with and like as a toll of peaceful-of-policy happen in Venezuela. But, Clay, it’s gotten so bad that there in the last couple of weeks the Maduro regime has had to start outsourcing to the private sector, state-run agricultural and food producing industries.

Because the people are sick of what they call “the Maduro Diet,” which is quasi-starvation. Because when you don’t have incentives aligned when you don’t have people that can make a profit that are going to benefit, and where there’s no upside or downside to efficiency and doing things the right way, you get bread lines. Literal bread lines! Now, I know we’re not quite at bread lines, folks, but if you apply the same principles and understanding, you see why what Jen Psaki says makes Clay the capitalist want to do back flips and throw things at the wall.

CLAY: Yeah. That’s clip 1 from Jen Psaki. Here’s clip 2 where she says the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package will actually cost nothing. Zero dollars.

PSAKI: There’s not disagreement about the fundamentals of what we’re trying to achieve. And there is agreement that we need to, uh, address the climate crisis; that we need to cuts cost for child care, for college. Uh, that we need to make it easier for women to rejoin the workforce, we need to rebuild and modernize our infrastructure. So there’s not… There’s agreement on that.

There’s a basic, uhh, discussion that needs to happen or is ongoing. Uh, w–we’re right in the weeds of it now on what the size of the package looks like. But I will also note — uhh, and we’ve done this a little bit over the past couple days — that this package, the reconciliation package would cost zero dollars. (sputtering) So what I’m saying… What I… What we are… The case we’re making here is that there needs to be agreement on the different components. There’s broad agreement on the goals. And then there needs to be agreement on what the revenue pay-fors are.

BUCK: That’s a lie like, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” It’s an intentional, malicious, and meaningful lie.

CLAY: Yeah, and what I would say is, again, it also reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of basic economics. This is the equivalent… What Biden administration is arguing when they say, “It has a cost of zero,” is equivalent of saying, “Hey, Santa Claus buys all of the presents that he puts underneath the tree. It doesn’t cost any of the families anything!”

You might need to turn the radio down if you have young kids in your car ’cause I don’t want to disabuse of them their incredible notion here. But it’s a fantastical reality that you would argue this. It’s a form of magical monetary policy, this modern monetary idea. The $3.5 trillion is coming directly out of American families’ pockets, and it’s being given to the government.

And that 3.5 trillion — which, frankly, I believe the American people could use in a more efficacious manner to grow the economy — is instead going to be given to the government and be wasted, as most government programs do, on excesses which are not remotely necessary for the country to grow in a prosperous way economically.

And so it’s a direct lie to say that there is no cost here, that it costs zero. And it’s akin to Santa Claus brings every Christmas present and so Christmas doesn’t cost anything to anybody. That’s what they’re basically arguing, a fantastical Santa Claus-based economic policy in the Biden White House right now.

BUCK: You know something is wrong when the Democrats start using words they don’t have to use to describe things that otherwise would be very straightforward. When they start using terms like “undocumented,” what does that even mean? It’s a nonsense term. When they say things about the debt, Clay — or about the budget, rather — like “it won’t have any cost,” what does that mean?

When they say “pay-fors,” they’re going to use “pay-fors.” There’s another word for “pay-fors.” It’s called “taxes.” They are changing the words they use to obscure the actual impact and intent of their policies because the ideological left is driving the Democrat Party, and they don’t want the center of the country or enough of the center of the country to catch on to what’s going on such that they’ll actual suffer political consequences.

And the ramifications of this will not be known in time for the midterms to actually punch back at the Democrats. So that’s why they’re using all this — listen for it and you hear — fuzzy language. “Investments.” Investment is government spending, which means taking money from you and me and the people listening to this show and then spending it on things that Nancy Pelosi believes should get more funding, that address “the climate crisis.” There’s something in this budget bill, Clay, about — and I’m not kidding — “tree equity.” I don’t even know what tree equity is! Do you know what tree equity is?

CLAY: No, I don’t know what tree equity is. I thought that oak trees and magnolias got along really well.

BUCK: Just fine!

CLAY: I didn’t know there was lack of equity in trees.

BUCK: I didn’t know that the oak trees were oppressing the maple trees or whatever.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But nonetheless, tree equity is in there under the Green New Deal section which, of course, they’re calling combating climate change. The fact that she says there’s agreement about all these things? There’s absolutely not agreement. She’s in a 50-50 divided Senate environment. She’s in a handful of House seats giving the Democrats leverage, a Biden administration that is underwater, approval ratings circling the toilet bowl, and there’s agreement on everything we want to do?

CLAY: On the biggest tax increase of our lives. That’s where we are.

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McKenzie, Milley Contradict Biden on Afghanistan Withdrawal

28 Sep 2021

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BUCK: A little bit of attention put on Afghanistan today because of some testimony up on Capitol Hill, and General Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was testifying. The CENTCOM commander McKenzie was saying… Let’s start with that, actually. Here he is saying that, you know, ’cause we’re all looking back at this debacle of the withdrawal and how it went down the way that it did. CENTCOM Commander McKenzie is saying that they wanted to leave 2,500 troops.

MCKENZIE: I won’t share my personal recommendation to the president. But I will give you my honest opinion, and my honest opinion and view shaped my recommendation. I recommended that we maintain 2,500 troops in Afghanistan. And I also recommended earlier in the fall of 2020 that we maintain 4,500 at that time. Those are my personal views. I also have a view that the withdrawal of those forces would lead inevitably to the collapse of the Afghan military forces and eventually the Afghan government.

BUCK: Clay, this is something that’s gonna be debated a lot because the Biden administration has now tried to say that unless they withdrew on the previously agreed-to timetable the Taliban was gonna engage in a major offensive which would have brought U.S. troops into combat in a substantial way. But if that’s the case, then the 2,500 number doesn’t really make sense.

Because the 2,500 can work to support Afghan forces that were fighting, which, as we know, all melted away and stopped fighting very rapidly. But that only worked as long as the ceasefire was in place between the U.S. and the Taliban, which had been in place for a long time — since the Trump administration. If it was gonna be open warfare with the Taliban, we’re gonna need more than 2,500 troops. But if what the Biden administration says is true, then why were the generals saying, “Leave behind 2,500 troops”? You see what I’m saying? Doesn’t make sense. Something’s up.

CLAY: Yeah. And, honestly, I think we’ve caught Joe Biden in another lie, Buck, because if you play cut 26 here, you just heard the statements from McKenzie about wanting 2,500 troops. On August 19th Joe Biden told George Stephanopoulos exactly the opposite of that. He’s basically saying his generals never said that; so somebody’s lying here, and it sounds to me it’s Biden.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Your top military advisers warned against withdrawing on this timeline and they wanted you to keep about 2,500 troops.

BIDEN: No, they didn’t! It was split. (sputtering) That… That wasn’t true. That wasn’t true.

STEPHANOPOULOS: They didn’t tell you that they wanted troops to stay?

BIDEN: No, not at… Not in terms of whether we were going to get out in a time frame all troops. They didn’t argue against that.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So no one…? No one told you…? Your military advisers did not tell you, “No, we should just keep 2,500 troops. It’s been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do that”?

BIDEN: No. No one said that to me, that I can recall.

BUCK: Joe Biden, first of all, what he can recall, to be fair, is an open question.

CLAY: He really may not recall.

BUCK. Being honest with everybody, there’s a chance (impression), “Yeah, no joke! I don’t remember.” We could all understand that that might be the reality. Nonetheless, does not make us sleep soundly at night in this country. But, anyway, beyond that, Clay, someone’s lying. Either Joe doesn’t remember or someone’s lying. I’m not sure which one’s better or worse.

CLAY: I think Joe Biden’s lying and I think it’s also possible — again, I think Joe Biden’s defense for a lot of these lies is honestly his incompetence and his failed mental state. I was looking at this. We talked about the Axios poll and how no one trusts Joe Biden anymore. I snagged this because I looked at it, and I was like, “This is crazy.

“Fifty-six percent of people right now, Buck, don’t believe that Joe Biden has mental faculties capable of being president.” Fifty-six percent, according to the most recent poll that is out there analyzing his overall mental state — and, frankly, I question who the 44% are. I guess they’re Democrats.

BUCK: Keep in mind, we’ve reached that number with 95% of the media willing to lie in favor of Joe Biden’s mental state. So think about what it would be if we had an honest media.

CLAY: No, it’s very well said. It’s a total and complete joke.

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Axios Poll: Majority Doesn’t Trust Biden

28 Sep 2021

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CLAY: I think this is significant, Buck. Doing the reading — you and I, constantly reading — to make sure we have as much information as possible to do this show and to inform our audience to the best of our ability. This morning, Axios published a poll: For the first time in his the presidency Joe Biden is not trusted by the majority of Americans to tell the truth on covid, and this is massively significant.

And I’m gonna read you this finding, and I’m curious if you think it’s significant, Buck, in terms of Joe Biden finally starting to lose some support and that maybe the masses out there are finally starting to recognize that a lot of what he’s saying is not rooted in reality. The subject of this poll was, “Public Trust in Joe Biden to Provide Accurate Covid-19 Information.”

“Do you trust Joe Biden a great deal or a fair amount to provide accurate covid information?” Forty-five percent of Americans say they do. “Do you not trust Joe Biden or do you not trust him at all to provide accurate covid information?” Fifty-three percent, Buck, are now saying they do not. So. So 53% don’t trust him; 45% do on covid.

I think this is massively significant because Joe Biden ran his entire campaign from the basement of his house predicated on the idea that he would solve covid and he would talk to the American public honestly. And I think where you’re starting to see a massive downturn in support is this vaccine mandate has blown up in Joe Biden’s face.

Because people out there who are not vaccinated — I’m one of them — who were maybe not excited to get vaccinated but down the line might be willing to do so, I think, are rejecting it even more so now that there’s a mandate that’s been puts in place. This is being shown by the numbers of people who are newly vaccinated. They’ve dropped 20% since Joe Biden tried to implement his mandate and not allow people to make their own choice.

BUCK: It turns out when you twist people’s arms and refuse to ask or answer important questions — the most notable one being about herd immunity — I’m sorry, natural immunity, which is a part of herd immunity — people start to get suspicious and also start to resist the overreach and the power grab.

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CLAY: We bring in now an expert in much of the covid-related discussion from a medical perspective. He is Dr. Harvey Risch. He is an MD and a PhD professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health. You can read much of his opinions on EarlyCovidCare.org. That is EarlyCovidCare.org.

Dr. Risch, I appreciate you joining us right now. I want to play for you Joe Biden talking — as he was getting his vaccine — about what’s necessary for enormous to return in this country. He says that we need 97 or 98% vaccination rate in this country. Let’s play cut 28.

REPORTER: How many Americans need to be vaccinated for us to go back to normal? What is the percentage of the total vaccinations that have to be in place before getting back to normal?

BIDEN: Well, I think… Look… I think we get the vast majority, like, that’s going on in some of these — some industries, 97%, 98%. I think we’re getting awful close, and… But I’m not the scientist. Uh… Uh, I think one thing for certain: A quarter of the country can’t go unvaccinated.

CLAY: All right. So, Dr. Risch, I appreciate you joining us. Right now, around 77% of adults are vaccinated or have at least received their first shot. Your reaction to the president saying that 98 or 99% of people need to be vaccinated to get back to normal.

DR. RISCH: Well, it’s great to be with you. I’m glad the president said that he’s not a scientist, because when he said isn’t scientific. And what we need is a very high amount of natural, post-infection immunity. The vaccines contribute to immunity but not in the way that one would think about it. What we need is people who have gotten the immunity from having had the illness. About 70% of Americans so far already have this, and they do not need to be vaccinated. They have much stronger immunity.

CLAY: Sorry to cut you off, Doctor, but you think around 70% of Americans — based on the data that you’ve looked at — have already been exposed to covid and/or recovered from it?

DR. RISCH: Yes. It’s very clear that the CDC has done surveys of antibodies to covid in the blood of people and what they found is that almost fivefold numbers of people have had covid, mostly asymptomatically, as the numbers of registered cases. So this means that approximately close to or over 70% across the country as a whole have had covid and have wide immunity to not just the Delta variant, but more or less any variant that comes along over the next six months to a year. They’re protected.

BUCK: Dr. Risch, can I ask…? It’s Buck. I just want to know, we’ve seen over the last couple of months what seems to some to be the seasonal effect of covid, but there were a surprisingly high number of cases, especially given the degree of natural immunity, as well as all the vaccinations that have gone on. How do you explain what’s happening here? Even today, at this point as we sit here speaking to you there are 120,000 cases as of September 26 and on average, 2,000 new deaths a day. What’s going on?

DR. RISCH: Well, we’re still battling the infection. Covid is not a trivial illness. It is something that has to be taken seriously. It has to be treated aggressively ASAP when people become symptomatic if they are high risk. And even today with the Delta strain, we want to do for most people if possible. But we also have almost a dozen medications that can be used in sequence and together to reduce the illness and make the symptoms go away.

But they have to be used in the first five or six days, started in the first five or six days. There are doctors across the country who are doing this. More than 150,000 people have been treated early using these medications. The website that you mentioned earlier, EarlyCovidCare.org, all of the information, both lay and medical, technical information about all of this is all laid out there.

BUCK: Can I ask you, Doctor, just for everyone listening: So if anyone out there, let’s say, is still concerned and maybe they’re in a higher risk pool for covid, vaccinated or unvaccinated — if you think you got covid and you think it’s gonna be bad — what are the first things you should do?

DR. RISCH: The first thing you should do is call a clinician who will be willing to treat it if necessary. And there are… We also have a list of sites that provide access to doctors who are quite public about their willingness to treat covid early, both by telemedicine and by in-patient visits.

BUCK: But monoclonal antibodies, talking about some of the early interventions, you mentioned early interventions. What are the best ones right now?

DR. RISCH: The monoclonal antibodies contributes to early treatment. Hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin are very strong medications that work. Colchicine is another one. Steroids are in use. Vitamin D and zinc contribute to the whole pattern of care. There’s a number of them that are available, and doctors who are actively treating patients know how to use these. They are extremely successful, extremely successful in treating patients as outpatients.

CLAY: We appreciate Dr. Risch joining us now, encourage you check out his website laying out these things, maybe go ahead and make it a favorite and pull it up so you’ve got access to it if you need it in the future. EarlyCovidCare.org is that website. EarlyCovidCare.org. Dr. Risch, you’re obviously credible, well credentialed. You know of which you are speaking, and we appreciate you coming on this show.

But there are so many people — and let me repeat your credentials again. You are an MD and a PhD, professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health. How much pressure in your world is there to avoid having opinions like yours and to be a little bit outside of the consensus as it would be led by the Fauciites and the Biden administration? Is there pressure to hew to what they say in your profession?

DR. RISCH: Yes, there is, but most of that pressure is coming from censorship. From Yale itself, we have a very strong support for academic freedom, and my colleagues say what they think; I say what I think. We’re cordial and collegial. And this is why I love Yale. And it’s important to recognize that. Outside of that we have social media that are suppressing any dissenting voices, and that’s really Draconian and bad for doing science and bad for objective reviews of contentious topics.

CLAY: Why do you think that censorship has taken life like it has, especially in social media? Because you can speak to this much better than I can, but the scientific method requires rigorous debate and challenging of all preconceived beliefs, hypotheses, theories. That’s how science works! It seems to me that social media is actually adopting the anthesis of science in suppressing this debate and discussion.

DR. RISCH: Yes, and you have to realize that censorship exists when the party that does the censoring cannot defend that position. So that’s the tool that’s left. When you can’t defend what you think, you resort to censorship. That’s why we see it.

BUCK: Doc, I want to ask you what you’re expecting for just the fight against covid over the next, let’s say, 90 days or so. As we’re heading into the winter, are you expecting there will be a substantial increase in hospitalizations and even fatalities from disease or, because of the levels of natural and vaccinated immunity in the general population, are we going to see a much milder winter based on the data trends right now?

DR. RISCH: Oh, I’m very optimistic. I think that with the high levels of natural immunity, even if the new strain arises, that it’s not going to get very far. It will make bumps, not waves. So I’m very optimistic, as I said. What we need now is more natural immunity. So the breakthrough infections that occur in vaccinated people who are not at high risk are actually good because it gives them permanent immunity, essentially permanent immunity.

So they will not have to struggle anymore with this illness that’s endemic. It’s already endemic and will continue to be at a low level. So I’m very optimistic that it will settle down. There may be some bumps over the winter because of indoor living. But I think that overall, it’s not gonna be like what we’ve seen. And the Delta wave is definitely going down across the U.S. now.

CLAY: Dr. Risch, what do you think about children as it pertains to masks and potentially mandating vaccines in some places for kids to be able to go back to school? We get this question a lot from our audience. I’m curious, as an expert in the field, what your analysis of that would be.

DR. RISCH: In my opinion, the only children who need to be vaccinated are ones who have chronic conditions like diabetes, obesity, maybe ones with organ transplants or other reason for reduced immune function. They’re the ones at risk of a bad outcome from covid. Everybody else, the illness is extremely mild if it’s even noticed in children.

Children in general do not spread the illness. They get it from adults. And this is something that if this has been endemic in society from outset, then children would get it as little kids, nobody would notice it. It would be like a cold and they’d have lifelong community and we’d go on with it and it would be just one of those things of childhood.

So what happens is we’ve introduced it into adults from the beginning. That’s why it’s been so difficult and harder to deal with. Children do very well. They do not need vaccination, except if they’re in the very infrequent group who wouldn’t do well — and that’s very well defined, as I mentioned.

CLAY: What about masks on kids? Another big debate right now.

DR. RISCH: Well, the CDC has published two papers that I saw today that are cherry-picked evidence of what we call ecologic studies, studies of communities, not of individuals. They are not randomized studies, and they are touting their two studies, when there’s another 40 studies in the literature dealing with the efficacy of masks showing that masks don’t work.

So they’re cherry-picking the ones that they think say that masks work and they’re ignoring all the rest of the literature that show that masks don’t work. All you have to do is see somebody vaping with the mask on and you’ll see how the vape particles come out all over the sides and through the masks. So it’s not patently obvious that the masks don’t do enough.

BUCK: Masks don’t work. Dr. Harvey Risch, we really appreciate you joining us from Yale medical school. Thank you so much for being with us.

DR. RISCH: My pleasure.

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CLAY: We begin with what is the story that we told you we thought would get buried into Friday afternoon; instead, it got buried into Saturday morning. A lot of those Haitian immigrants that were gathered under the bridge in Del Rio, Texas — not just Haitian, but majority Haitian — around 12,000 of them have been released into our country. That is we have heard based on the statements of Secretary Mayorkas. Let us please hear cut 5 here as he explains what exactly took place.

MAYORKAS: They’re released on conditions and (sputtering) approximately, I think, it’s about 10,000 or so, 12,000.

CHRIS WALLACE: Have been released?

MAYORKAS: Yes.

WALLACE: And of the 5,000 that are still in process?

MAYORKAS: W-w-we will make, uh, determinations whether they will be, uh, returned, uh, to, uh, Haiti, uh, based on our public health and public interest, uh, authorities.

WALLACE: So, it’s a total of 12,000 or could it be even higher?

MAYORKAS: It could, uhh… It could be even higher.

BUCK: It will be.

CLAY: Even higher potentially than 12,000 and will be for sure. Now, Buck, here’s what is the natural outcome of this. When you allow all of these Haitian illegal immigrants and other illegals through Del Rio, one of the first things they are going to do once they are in the United States is, one, they’re probably never gonna leave again.

Let’s start there. They’re gonna have kids, they are going to become residents of the United States in the shadow world of illegal immigration. But there’s no doubt that this is a far better place to be than certainly Haiti, but in any of the Latin-American countries they have gone to. So, the significant outcome here — and I think you know it and we know it and everyone who has a functional brain knows it is:

All of those people will get on their phones, and they will text their friends and they will call their friends and they will say, “Here is exactly what you need to do to also be able to get into the United States and get your kids and your families here.”

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: And so what has already been a massive influx, Buck, is only gonna get bigger.

BUCK: And this is not in any way a surprise. I mean, we knew this was gonna happen. We said… I’ve been saying on air that about 60% to 70% of the people that show up are gonna to stay. Think about what that means. For people who are listening right now who are legal immigrants — and there are a lot of them — legal immigrants to the United States, they had to go through the process.

I have a lot of friends, Clay. I’m here in New York City, right? So you have a lot of people who come here from all over the world, but I know in Tennessee you got people who are legal immigrants too. And they go through years and they gotta get their visa and the visa sponsor and they get the green card. They go through all this stuff.

It’s a lot of expense, time, effort, and eventually, if they want, they pass the citizenship test and they do all these things. What you have going on here is people will say, “Wait, you mean if I just show up, I’m gonna get let into the United States and I get to stay?” The answer is yes. It’s actually not a complicated thing, either.

The real secret — and I’m not giving anything away because they already know this the cartels know this — is show up as a family unit; you cannot be separated. You have somebody who says that they want to go through the asylum system. You’ll be released into the U.S. pending a court appearance, you probably don’t show up for that court appearance, the courts are backlogged to the point where a few years ago it got up to about seven or 800,000 pending cases they hadn’t gotten to yet.

It’s gonna be… It’s a huge backlog still. I don’t know what the current number is I’m sure they don’t want to publicize it so some of these cases get delayed a year or two anyway so if you show up a year or two… Let’s say you want to show up you see, “Maybe I actually can get an actual asylum claim,” although under U.S. and international law and you go to a third country…

So if you go to Brazil, you’re living in Brazil. You’re no longer an asylum seeker as a person of Haitian origin at the U.S.-Mexico border. You’re supposed to go claim… his is about safety. This isn’t about, “I want better welfare benefits or a better job market,” and to the point we made before, Clay, I’m sympathetic. I get it, right?

I’d rather be in America than Chile, personally, as an American but also just looking at it from an economic perspective. But even if they show up to that hearing, by the way, there’s a separate hearing, an additional hearing that would be a deportation hearing. Do you think they show up to that one when they don’t get the asylum?

There’s also no interior enforcement even when there is an order of deportation. Clay, the border is open, which is why there’s already reporting of Haitian migrants, more of them, who are on the way. Think of it! By the way, even if you’re in that 30% — ’cause that’s what I think the number is gonna that are actually sent back I should say — you try again.

Think about what the odds are here. You get a second shot at this; you learn the system a little better; you know what to do. No punishment for showing up a second time. They’re not gonna do anything to you. So why not?

CLAY: And what’s interesting as well is this ties in with all this covid vaccine mandate madness. You know who isn’t getting vaccinated for covid when they come into the United States? All the illegal immigrants. You would think if you were truly obsessed — which is what the Biden administration claims that they are — with the idea of getting shots in arms, wouldn’t you at minimum require all of these illegal immigrants to get vaccines before you release them into the country?

BUCK: Right. It’s a public safety issue, they would say, or public health issue. But don’t they want to protect these migrates from the super-dangerous coronavirus. That’s going around all over the country? But they don’t. Why is that? Because actually this is… Isn’t it such interesting question. They want to coerce everybody.

They want to get you fired from your job or you can’t fly, or you can’t… They haven’t done the flying thing yet, but you know what I mean, they’re using all these mechanisms a lot of social pressure. Again, some people. But other people get this pass, not just the Haitian migrants, by the way. Other people in our society, it’s okay if they don’t want to get the covid shot. Why is that?

CLAY: I’ll tell you this, Buck. I think they’re not doing it because they’re afraid that judges would strike it down. And then if you can’t give the vaccine to illegal immigrants coming into the country, why in the world should you be forcing actual citizens to get the vaccine? So I think the reason why they’re not vaccinating all these illegal immigrants is because they know that if they tried to do it, it would get challenged.

And then the courts may rapidly strike that down because it would be a mandate that they’re actually enforcing as opposed to right now what the federal government is doing is trying to force others to mandate it as opposed to address that themselves. The other thing here, Buck, when we see the drones and we see the 15,000 or the 12,000 on or the 10,000 or whatever it is under a Del Rio bridge.

The other thing that we are teaching all of these potential illegal immigrants is, “Come in a massive group because the Biden administration will be so eager to get that area cleared out that if you show up in an overwhelming human tide, your odds of getting into the country probably increase, because politically, the Biden administration just wants to do whatever expediency they can to keep the news from continuing to show those immigrants.”

BUCK: Of course. It does add immediate political pressure to process them, and this is the huge separation where you have Democrats will say — the Biden administration will say — “We’re sending more border agents. They’re not sending this them to create greater border security, to stop the drug flow from happening. The real primary purpose perform is expedited processing!

CLAY: Get ’em in faster.

BUCK: Yeah, get ’em in fast. Bring ’em in. This is like if we were at… We’re going to a football game this weekend, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: If you put more people but not as security to keep people from running into stadium but to take the tickets faster or just to wave people in faster, that’s actually not going to have the intended effect if you believe in trying to create some kind of a secure perimeter and that’s what’s going on with the border right now.

There’s just a fundamental difference between what Biden and the Democrats and the left want to be going on there — and, honestly, also what they say. They still lie to people about this. They’ll always fall back on this boilerplate. They’ll always things like, “Oh, it’s a nation of immigrants,” and, “We’re doing this within the rule of law or within the system,” and they blame Trump.

It’s all these distractions. They don’t want this to stop, and it’s not going to stop. It hasn’t all year. You had record numbers — about 200,000 plus a month, June, July, August, give or take — and it’s gonna keep going. When you start looking at the numbers, Clay, it’s gonna be close to two million illegal immigrants in the United States this year!

Remember when there were about a million migrants that went into — and they were invited, by the way — to Germany? Remember they made their way to Germany and Angela Merkel all the sudden had a real issue on their hands because German people were like, “Whoa. We’re gonna have two million this year,” and everyone’s acting like: “Eh, you know, nation of immigrants.”

CLAY: And it’s important to emphasize that basically Trump had stopped this.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: It’s not only that we’re going to have two million. It’s that the growth rate is so astronomical compared to what the Trump administration had been capable of doing, which is where we had started to see, Buck, net outflows. People were budget going to be their native countries more than they were coming in by the end of the Trump administration.

BUCK: You mention this about the vaccines, and that’s another place where you see this. But there is a very strange the thing in this country where because of the political incentive, Democrats have almost a separate category of law that applies to illegal immigrants, right? Democrats will make excuses not just for the difference in covid policy, right?

You go to a college football game? “You’re a superspreader.” Fifteen thousand people in an encampment at the border? “Oh, we’d never say superspreader!” Well, the virus doesn’t care what the political rationale is but beyond that all kinds of things when weather it comes to even filing taxes, document fraud, all these different areas of law where there’s an excuse for illegal immigrants.

‘Cause Democrats want to. It’s true with the covid stuff well as well. It’s true with the way they’re hiding the numbers from us on a regular basis. Clay, they knew. They knew that when this first happened, they just had the slow roll that it was gonna be 12,000 that that he already let into America. “I don’t have that number right now”? Bull crap!

CLAY: We told you it was gonna happen over the weekend. We thought it would happen Friday afternoon going into the weekend — and, by the way, the way media worked almost no one will actually mention this at all and it’s just insanely frustrating to see and know that all we’ve done is incentivize behavior to continue on an even more epically large scale.

Clay and Buck

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