Dr. Fauci Goes After College Football Fans

7 Sep 2021

BUCK: Fauci’s unhappy about the college football situation. That’s for sure. Which is fascinating because there was also the U.S. Open tennis matches occurring over the weekend. There have been huge gatherings for quite some time now. Why is it that college football comes in for special attention here? Here is Fauci on CNN this morning getting the usual back rub they give him over there.

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN: I get folks want to go back to normal life. They want to go to games, right? (snickering) I want to go to games. But when you look at crowds like that, do you approve of that, or is that just not smart?

FAUCI: No, I don’t think it’s smart. I think when you’re dealing particularly in… You know, outdoors is always better than indoors. But even when you have such a congregate setting of people close together, first, you should be vaccinated. And when you do have congregate settings, particularly indoors, you should be wearing a mask.

BUCK: Wait. I thought it was… So, BLM riots in close quarters outside, good. Professional tennis matches, good. The big concert they had in Chicago over the summer… I forget what it was even called. Was it Lollapalooza or something like that?

CLAY: That’s right. Yeah.

BUCK: That’s all fine, Clay. College football is somehow — even outdoors — a special superspreader event ’cause it’s a “congregate setting.”

CLAY: Look, here is what’s going on, and I think this is what scares the Fauciites. When Americans put on their television screens and they see millions of college football fans exulting, joyous, having an incredible time all over this country — red state, blue state, it didn’t matter; none of them are wearing masks — this is a declaration of independence, an end of fear, and everything covid has been predicated on fear.

And, Buck, as soon as enough Americans get out and start living their lives, it makes it harder to argue this is an abnormal situation. Think about this for a minute, Buck. Virginia, Friday night, Virginia Tech, they play Enter Sandman, people lose their minds in joy in Virginia. Jump Around plays in Wisconsin. These are two states that Joe Biden ostensibly won, and the people are saying, “We’re gonna go out and live our lives.”

And I think this is significant. There are more covid positive cases right now this Labor Day, Buck, than there were last Labor Day. Last Labor Day they told kids in Virginia, “It’s not safe for you to play high school football.” They told the Big Ten they couldn’t play college football last September. There are more cases now! And I think reasonable, intelligent people — and that’s what a lot of college football fans are — look at the numbers, know covid is never going away.

We’re 18 months in, and at some point, your new reality requires risk and you’re gonna go back to doing the things that you love. I went to college football games this weekend. I took my kid to go see a Marvel movie in the theater. Nobody had masks on, Buck. Nobody in the movie theater. Nobody at the football game. People are over it — large percentages of people are — and I love to see it.

BUCK: In some places they are.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: In other places they are. What I think is happening, Clay, is the polarization of mitigation (impression) “mitigation measures,” as Fauci says.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: The polarization is actually growing whereby people in parts New York and California, they’re clinging on their masks even more furiously than they have in a long time, not since the very beginning of the pandemic. And there’s a backdrop with all of this as well of the Biden administration has failed to deliver on the essential promise they made among many promises that were lies. Normalcy, unity, healing, right? This was all campaign stuff to get low-information voters who are persuadable, unfortunately, to believe the propaganda in the news. The Biden administration is flatly failing at this point on covid —

CLAY: Failing at everything.

BUCK: — based on their own predictions, promises, what they said would happen, where they said we would be. This is why there have been all these reversions. And it’s interesting; some have started to finally ask — I’m seeing more of this now, Clay — the fundamental question in all of this for the whole country, in some ways for the world. “Okay, how does this actually end?” Someone… If we had a real press corps, they would sit down with Fauci and say, “How does this actually stop? When do we get out?”

CLAY: Again, an important question. I think you saw this same article. Vox, which is a super liberal website, has that question, and they’re finally asking the things that we’ve been asking for the last 18 months. Let me just kind of run through some of these: 90,000 people died of drug overdoses in this country in 2020, 40,000 people every year die in car accidents. Around tens of thousands — 60,000 or more — people die of the seasonal flu every year.

And we live normal lives.

How do we assess, as a country, what is a reasonable amount of risk that is going to exist for covid because even though many of them will not acknowledge it, Covid Zero isn’t a reality? It’s never going to exist for the rest of our lives. And so being an adult requires analyzing risk and figuring out what to do. Remember people made fun of us early on, Buck, when people like you and I would say, “Hey, you know what? Forty thousand a year die to car accidents. We don’t insist on a 10-mile-an-hour speed limit which would drive that number down to zero.” We balance risk with life in all things.

BUCK: Some folks remember that I had you on my show, not ’cause I’m hugely knowledgeable about sports, but I’m getting better.

CLAY: You’re going to go to a college football game.

BUCK: I’m going to a college football game, folks. It’s happening. But I had you on because there were so few of us in the beginning who were willing to take the perspective. It was a small group of people us that had platforms that could reach across the country who from March of 2020 were saying, “Hold on a second. What is this? What are we doing?” and now we’ve seen all of our worst fears about zero covid —

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: — or forever mitigation, zero covid, however you want to put it. Clay, Australia has straight up quarantine camps. Some people are using other terms for it, but quarantine camps. You have to go… You could be a healthy 25-year-old and you test positive for covid. You cannot stay at a hotel. If you’re traveling, you must go to one of these camps and stay for 14 days. You can’t see anyone, you can’t do anything, you can’t go to your job. And there are libs in this country who see the news reporting out of Australia and say, “Oh, they’re really doing it the right way.” I look at them like, “You people are out of your minds!”

CLAY: When have camps ever ended being good? There’s just the big picture here, let’s go back through history. When have the people who said, “Hey, we need to separate people and put them in camps different than everybody else” ever been on the right side of history? When have people who have said, “Hey, you know what? That book is scary. We need to burn it and make sure other people can’t see it.

“That idea makes me uncomfortable. That person needs to be canceled for having it.” When have the people that have ever argued in favor of these things — in retrospect, when sanity returns to society, and it always does…? People talk a lot about the right and wrong side of history, Buck. Most of those people have read very little history. Because what you would learn is, very often in the moment itself the right side and wrong side of history isn’t self-evident. Sometimes it takes hundreds of years. But book burning, censorship, internment camps, all of those things in the moment are always on the wrong side of history.

BUCK: And when you see the change in the thinking from people in the last six months, even, who have been… I think Fauciites is the best way to describe them. There are a lot of ways we could refer to them. Clay, it went from a sort of gentle pitch, “Hey, guys, just do this. Just get the shot,” and we all know about the “just two weeks to slow the spread “and all this.

But in particular with the vaccine, it’s gone from, “Oh, come on. Everything’s gonna be fine! Just get it; we’ll all go back to normal. But we’re not gonna make you!” to “Oh, no. We’re gonna coerce you!” Now it’s not only they want to coerce you, they want to punish people for not just covid wrong-think, but covid wrong-do in a sense, right? Covid violations of the new passports we’re supposed to carry or travel you’re not supposed to do.

They’re arresting people over this stuff. I mean, you look in Europe; they’ll actually send in police head to toe, you know, looking like storm troopers… You know what storm troopers in Star Wars look like. You know what I mean. The sort of jackbooted thugs in the gear going in there beating people with batons because they don’t agree with some of the vaccine policies.

When you say that vaxxports should be mandatory this is what you really mean:pic.twitter.com/NWwiss6LAu

— Matt Kibbe (@mkibbe) September 6, 2021

CLAY: Yeah. And, again, I think the big question is — and this is what reasonably intelligent media who were actually doing their job would be discussing is, how does this end? How do we get to a form of normalcy? And that’s why the college football crowds, to me, were a big part of this. My argument for how this ends is people just return to being normal. What can we do? We get that question all the time, Buck.

“What can I do?” You can be normal. You can go to a college football game and sit in a crowd. You can go to a movie theater. You can go out to dinner. You can argue against your kids needing to be required to wear masks, and you can get exemptions for them as necessary. Fight for normalcy! That’s how we win. And the more normal people see things occurring…

People may be terrified in their basement in New York City, Buck, but when they flip on their television and they see 90,000 people in Wisconsin jumping around to a song and they see Enter Sandman coming on at Virginia Tech and they see a hundred thousand, millions of people all over the country going to football games, they definitely have to think in the back of their mind, “Wait a minute. Why do I have to show a vaccine passport to go get a beer in my city?”

BUCK: There are some stadiums, right, that are gonna require it. Not college football stadiums but there are some pro stadiums that require it. So the fight is still very much underway, folks, for freedom. We’ll come back into more of this in a moment plus back of the line for ICU access. I mean, the things that are being said now… Oh, and ivermectin! I know Clay mentioned some of this yesterday. We gotta come back to it because there are updates how ivermectin is “overrunning” the ER of a hospital.

CLAY: Total lie.

BUCK: Total lies. Total lies.

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She’s a Monster! Miami Doctor Refuses to Treat the Unvaccinated

7 Sep 2021

CLAY: I wanted to play this clip for you guys. This idiot South Florida doctor is saying she won’t treat unvaccinated patients, and I want to build on that as we roll into the top of hour 2 because the amount of disinformation out there is totally blowing everybody’s mind. Listen this doctor talking about not treating unvaccinated patients.

DR. LINDA MARRACCINI: I understand people are free to choose. But, to me, it’s a problem when it affects other people. When it comes to the safety of others, when it comes to the global health problem, community health problem, um, at this point, I – I really say that this is – this is where it draws the line in the sand for me. And there’s been, you know, also millions of deaths globally. So, I mean, that’s not something to ignore! People are getting to where everybody knows somebody that died from covid. You know, this is a problem that really everybody needs to help out with and it’s affecting our collective, communal health.

CLAY: Buck, if she said the exact same thing, except instead of covid she had said it about AIDS or HIV, what would the reaction have been?

BUCK: Monster. She’s a monster!

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: She’s violating the Hippocratic oath. She’s violating her role in our society as a doctor. I mean, you treat people who are sick — and, Clay, we often bring up the natural immunity component. Remember, none of these people that are saying these things… Fauci said a couple days ago, “We are perilously close to prioritizing ICU beds!” Essentially, somehow, with over a hundred and…? What’s the number of vaccinated right now, 170 million or whatever the number is?

CLAY: It’s 75% of 18 and up have had at least one shot.

BUCK: So, well over half the country overall vaccinated at this point. And now we’re where northern Italy was in February of 2020 where they’re about to…? Look, I don’t think they are gonna have to prioritize ICU beds. But Fauci opens that up, and then people weigh in to say, “Yeah, and this should go to the vaccinated,” to which I want to say, “Put aside how vicious and wrong that is on just a moral level.”

Also, scientifically, what about people that have had…? What about you and me sitting here — and I know lots and lots of folks listening — who had covid? There is no scientific basis or evidence whatsoever for thinking that those with natural immunity are being reckless in comparison to those who have vaccinated immunity, which we know fades very rapidly.

CLAY: Not only that, I just can’t believe that any doctor, who we’re supposed to believe are the most intelligent among us… The logic that applies here: “People make bad choices in my opinion, therefore I don’t believe that they deserve my medical treatment.” I mentioned HIV and AIDS, Buck, but think about obesity, which is a massive cause of complication from covid.

Obesity is, in many ways, a choice in that you could eat healthier, and you can exercise more, and you will weigh less. That’s the very foundation of healthy living. You could think about smoking, right? I mean, the number of people who had severe health consequences from smoking or driving. Think about it, Buck. If you were driving drunk and you got into a car accident, do we want the hospital to refuse service to you because you were drinking?

What about in the extreme case, if you are a shooter, and you go out and you shoot multiple people? Do we want the doctor to refuse to treat you when you get shot by a police officer because of your life choices? I don’t want doctors looking at the medical chart and making moral decisions about who they treat based on lifestyle choices, whatever they might be of the people requiring medical care.

BUCK: And you and I recoil in horror at this very thought. I understand that a lot of the journos out there —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — CNN, the New York Times —

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: — they want that. Talk about tremendous power to socially engineer society to change the country we live in. You get to start making life-and-death decisions about who gets the shot, you tell them to get and not at the ER, in the ICU? Come on now, folks! This is madness we are devolving into here.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: Let’s get to Laurie in Colorado. Laurie, you’re on the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.

CALLER: Good afternoon. Thank you.

BUCK: Thank you. What’s up?

CALLER: Hey, I wanted to mention to you kind of an unusual situation I had as a covid survivor. I had a sinus infection about a month ago. I’m a flight attendant. Sinus infections are very painful. And I went to an urgent care near show me, went in. And of course, they do the covid test. Of course, it’s negative. And the PA proceeds to lecture me on getting the vaccine.

And I said, “Well, you know what? As soon as it’s fully validated, confirmed, whatever, I’ll consider it. But let’s talk about my sinus infection.” She at the end of the conversation, she refused to give me a dose of Amoxycillin. And I’m sitting here going, “I can’t believe this is happening. I’m in my fifties, I’ll healthy; I’m only here because the pain is really bad now, because we wear masks all the time on the plane,” and I just looked at her and said, “You know I’m a flight attendant, right? I just need Amoxycillin.” Again, lecture: “You need a vaccine!” I said, “This has nothing to do with my sinus infection. I just need Amoxycillin. It’s been approved for decades. Let’s move on.”

BUCK: Right. So she wouldn’t give you the care that you needed and wanted unless you got the vaccine. It was like a quid pro quo?

CALLER: Exactly.

CLAY: What happened? What was the end result?

CALLER: It was a pointless argument. I even talked about antibodies. It was pointless. Cited research. Anyway, I went home furious and I called Teledoc through my insurance carrier; and, thankfully, that wonderful doctor, Matt, on the other end, I told him what happened, and he could not believe it. He said, “Which pharmacy?” He immediately sent a prescription for me. He said, “I have never heard of anybody doing that.” I said, “Trust me. I have the name of the medical director. I’m writing a letter to them.”

CLAY: Thank you for calling in. This is the point we were making earlier, Buck, about the idea that we are going to tell doctors that they are such moral authorities that they decide who and what they’re going to treat people who are ill is based on the morality of their illness. First of all, you could be a good person or a bad person and get covid. Right? The virus isn’t discriminating based on the overall health status, necessarily, or morality of anyone out there. You might just get exposed, right? And this idea that doctors should be making choices about who they treat? It’s pure madness.

BUCK: The medical profession has sort of gone the way of, dare I say, intelligence analysis after Iraq WMD and now the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle where people realize it’s very politicized. These are not gods. They make a lot of mistakes and it’s unfortunate because the one person… You could argue, okay, maybe a prosecutor. There are some roles in day-to-day life — hopefully you never have to deal with a prosecutor — where you really don’t want there to be politicization.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But I know that everyone wants to walk in their doctor’s office and have it just be this is a highly trained professional who’s going to help you be as well and healthy and safe as possible, not gonna give you a lecture about Trump or ivermectin or whatever.

CLAY: I think everybody with a functional brain agrees with that. And again, I would just say replace covid with HIV if people were refusing treatment because of lifestyle choices. “Oh, you didn’t use a condom while you were having sex? Oh, you’ve ended up acquiring a virus that is based in some way on a decision that you made in your life?” People would lose their minds. Yet you insert covid as the choice, and people are applauding doctors like this who are effectively becoming social justice warrior advocates (chuckles), instead of just trying to treat everybody fairly.

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7 Sep 2021

BUCK: The piece in The Intercept: New Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab. This was in The Intercept: “More than 900 pages of materials related to U.S.-funded coronavirus research in China were released following a FOIA lawsuit…” Clay, Fauci lied. They did fund and knew they were funding gain-of-function, the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We’re in a position where the people who have been in charge of our response and wrong the whole time when it comes to covid also funded the creation of covid.

CLAY: And lied about it. Yeah, we are in a spot right now, Buck, where our American tax dollars paid for gain-of-function research, which helped to allow the creation of this virus. I mean, again, I think you and I both, Buck, based on the evidence would say, “The most likely outcome from our opinion is that this thing leaked out of a lab,” right? That it didn’t get spread zoonotically through one animal giving it to a human through the wet market or anything else.

Based on the Chinese response, based on all the evidence, it seems highly probable to me — don’t know 100% ’cause we don’t have that smoking gun, I don’t think we ever will. It seems highly probably that this came out of a lab, and it came out of a lab that was partially funded to be doing the research that it was into coronaviruses based on American tax dollars and that the people who have led our response inside of the government were directly involved in helping to ensure that this virus ever existed, helped to cover up the fact that they were involved, criticized anyone who suggested they could be involved, and have consistently lied to the American public ever since this discussion began — including under oath to Congress.

BUCK: “One of the grants,” this is from this Intercept piece, this is a quote, “titled ‘Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,’ outlines an ambitious effort led by EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak to screen thousands of bat samples for novel coronaviruses. The research also involved screening people who work with live animals. The documents contain several critical details about the research in Wuhan, including the fact that key experimental work with humanized mice was conducted at a biosafety level 3 lab at Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment — and not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as was previously assumed.

The documents raise additional questions about,” all this, including, Clay, how concerned they remember about the possibility of, you know, the bats biting or otherwise spreading the virus that they were injecting them with and playing with into a human because then you’d have a super coronavirus in a human being.

CLAY: I mean, think about all the things that have to not be true in order for this to be a coincidence. Let’s presume that it arose organically and naturally. You’re telling me that it happened — in all the world where this could have occurred — right next to the Wuhan virology lab, and right next to this other lab where they’re doing gain-of-function research on these bats? It happened organically, of everywhere it could happen in China, by the way?

Buck, remember the bats that they were testing are not endemic, in other words, they’re not located in Wuhan naturally. They brought all these bats in. And you’re telling me that it just coincidentally of anywhere in the world that this virus could have emerged, they’re doing high-level, gain-of-function research on bats, and they’re doing high-level, virology, gain-of-function research, two different laboratories which are basically located right by the food mart. And you’re telling me that of all the places in the world where covid could have originated, it just happened to originate right beside those two laboratories, and it’s not connected?

BUCK: Well, this has been the theory for a year, and if you said this a year ago or when we were saying this over a year ago now, really going on more like almost, what, 18 months, you were a conspiracy theorist —

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: — who was “against the science” and unwilling to deal in fact and Facebook would shut you down and Twitter would ban you and all the rest of it. And there’s no humility, no sense of overreach, “Maybe we should scale it back,” from the same people that insisted that this was a crazy conspiracy theory then. Somehow, they’re the people that are now telling you, “Get that third. Get that fourth shot. Shut up, peasant! Don’t ask any questions.”

CLAY: The way I think about it, Buck, is, if we were standing in front of a jury and there were just 12 reasonably intelligent American jurors, and one group had to argue, “Hey, you know what? It just naturally evolved from an animal, and somewhere at the food market one person got it and it spread there,” and the other person said, “Hey, they were conducting gain-of-function, high-level research in this laboratory right by the food market on viruses and on the bat where we know the covid virus came from,” what do you think the jury would side with, right?

BUCK: It’s pretty obvious.

CLAY: Not too hard.

BUCK: Pretty obvious.

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Jim Crow 2.0? Abbott Signs Bill Making It Easier to Vote

7 Sep 2021

CLAY: Speaking of the banning that is going on, do you remember when all the members of the Texas statehouse were heroes and how everybody was saying, “Oh, man, look at the stand that they’re taking. They’re on the Capitol steps! They’re doing such an incredible job fighting back in favor of voting rights and this is gonna be a tremendous accomplishment.” And they all were hanging out in their hotel rooms, and they were getting on MSNBC and CNN.

Then the story just kind of started to fade because people didn’t really care that much, and the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott said, “Hey, you know what? I’m just gonna keep calling special sessions, and eventually they’re gonna have to come back to the state, and eventually we’re going to pass the legislation that they’re trying to avoid passing.” Yeah, it passed. Let’s listen to cut 29 right now.

GOV. ABBOTT: The Texas law, it does make it easier than ever before for anybody to go cast a ballot. It does also, however, make sure that it is harder for people to cheat at the ballot box in Texas.

CLAY: It’s now a fait accompli, so to speak, Buck Sexton. There’s no ability to stop this from becoming a law, and it’s amazing how this story has sort of disappeared. Partly that might be because now everybody suddenly pivoted to abortion, the abortion law out of Texas. But the voting rights bill is effectively done; Democrats accomplished nothing.

BUCK: Governor Abbott also has got a couple challenges right now from the right for his governor’s chair, including Allen West, among others. So he knows he’s gotta step it up a little bit as governor if he wants to —

CLAY: Maybe Matthew McConaughey.

BUCK: Well, that’s on the Democrat side.

CLAY: Yeah, but still, it’s kind of crazy.

BUCK: But here’s some of the things that it does: bans 24-hour and drive through voting, has new vote-by mail ID mandates, bans officials from mailing unsolicited mail-in ballot applications, empowers poll watchers — by the way, this is the CNN version of it — monthly voter roll checks, new requirements for assisting voters. All this sounds great! It’s funny.

I’m reading this, the ACLU is already saying, “This is the most tyrannical thing in the history of tyranny. We’re gonna sue!” I mean, you’ve all these libs who are, “Oh, this is Jim Crow 2.0! Oh, this is voter suppression.” Clay, it expands voting access from where it was before in the state of Texas. It has much more expansive voting access than New York state or Delaware, some of these very deep blue states. But they’re just gonna lie about it to people and say that it’s a voter-suppression bill.

CLAY: You know what I think is interesting, Buck, is I think the Democrats have so wildly overplayed their hand here, and I think the wild overplay was when Joe Biden got up and said, “Hey, this is like the Civil War! This is the most dangerous moment in our country’s history,” and even when they pulled the Major League Baseball game out of Georgia. Remember when all that debate was going on, and then you started looking. I mean, all these states that are supposedly suppressing the vote are actually have way more liberal voting policies than Joe Biden’s home state of Delaware.

BUCK: In the state of Texas, for example, voter ID including for mail-in ballots has a support in the range of 80%.

CLAY: Of all races.

BUCK: By the way, of all Texans across the board. About 80% say, yeah, voter ID. So, yeah, if you’re like a hard-core leftist or you don’t understand what the question is, maybe you oppose voter. Short of that, any Texan would want voter ID provisions, but the media just ignores data. You always talk about the data, Clay.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They ignore the at all data and run with the narrative. So what you’re saying about the overreach for a reasonable person of course what you’re saying is true. I feel like Democrats, they fundraise off this, they play to the lunatic MSNBC-watching base. I don’t know if they pay a price for this. Otherwise, what do they keep doing? Why keep lying about it if it hurts them?

CLAY: I think what they’re doing is setting up, when they lose in 2022 —

BUCK: Oh, yeah.

CLAY: — they’re gonna argue in 2024, “We gotta fight back against racism and Jim Crow 2.0,” because the entire Democratic campaign basically boils down to, as you know, Buck Sexton: “Everything is racist.” That’s their entire campaign.

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The Biden Doctrine: Always Be Wrong

7 Sep 2021

GEN. MILLEY: My military estimate is that the conditions are likely to develop of a civil war. And that will then, in turn, lead to conditions that could, in fact, lead to reconstitution of Al-Qaeda or a growth of ISIS or other myriad of terrorist groups. You could see a resurgence of terrorism coming out of that general region within 12, 24, 36 months.

BUCK: Twelve months, 36 months, five years, ten years, who knows! That was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Milley. Welcome back to Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck. That was General Milley. He still his has job, which makes it very hard for anyone to think or that believe there is accountability for a clear screw up with the withdrawal. I mean, that’s putting it mildly.

But because of the FCC, there’s only certain words I can use here. It’s very obvious that there were senior-level decisions made on the military side that should require resignations. It didn’t really happen. In fact, in response to what General Milley just said there on Fox, former acting DNI, Ric Grenell… Great guy. I know Ric. Smart guy. Here’s what he said about Milley’s, “We could see a resurgence of terrorism.”

GRENELL: Look, I know General Milley, and I’ve been highly disappointed that he’s being very political. That is an answer to cover yourself for later, now that those warnings are happening. I’ve also heard him say that General Miller, who was in charge of Bagram, gave advice to shut down Bagram. Now, I can tell you that that’s not true. I know that very (chuckling) firsthand information. I know that General Miller.

He made those stark warnings to Jake Sullivan and said, “Do not close Bagram,” and Bagram was closed. Our troops were removed. We left 10% of the Americans behind. Look. The Joe Biden Doctrine, the Biden Doctrine for the rest of history will be 90% is good enough. And I think that that’s shameful. And the American people should not feel safer when they have a president of the United States willing to take 10% of us and leave us.

BUCK: You know, Clay, he’s obviously talking about his version there — the former DNI Ric Grenell — what he views the Biden Doctrine as, there was a piece in the New York Times, news analysis, not even editorial over the weekend, on the Biden Doctrine. And it’s amazing to watch them try the Cleanup on Aisle 5 here of, “Ohhh, it’s Biden trying to balance strategic priorities.”

The Biden Doctrine is, “If you’re screwing up, stop screwing up.” I mean, there’s actually no framework here; there’s no way to look at this other than to say, “This guy, Biden, has been wrong for a long time on a lot of things when it comes to foreign policy, and here he’s wrong again.” That’s the Biden doctrine.

CLAY: I just keep looking at Joe Biden every time he speaks, Buck, whether it’s on Afghanistan — which is a disaster — whether it’s on the border, whether it’s on the murder rate, whether it’s on his flew $3.5 trillion budget bill, which I know we haven’t really talked about a great deal. I think we’ll probably touch on some this week in more substance.

But obviously that struggling because you’ve had Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona come out and say, even as Democrats, they’re not gonna be willing to support it. We’ve been asking how covid ends, Buck. I’m genuinely afraid of how this Biden administration ends, because every single week and every single month it seems to me that Joe Biden is further in the grips of deteriorating mental condition.

BUCK: I think they think they’re past this already, Clay. I think that they believe that this is no big deal.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: “The Americans? Some will get out; some won’t. Yeah, there’s some delays.” But they got the media in their back pocket. Do you think they’re still…” Yeah, they’re worried about his poll numbers, no question. I think you’re talking about his mental faculties, which is a whole other thing. But on Afghanistan, I think they’re all… I mean, they’re already rolling up the narrative of “Joe Biden got it done! Sure, it was messy, but it was always gonna be messy,” and they’re rewriting the history of the last 30 days in process right now!

CLAY: Yeah. I think that’s their hope. I think their hope is that Americans have the memories of goldfish, and that whatever occurs next is going to make people forget. The problem that I think the Biden administration has here is when every story ends with you being incompetent and a failure, there’s a pretty good theme that’s going on. So, to me, Afghanistan sticks in the mind of the American public because it further confirms the failure of the Biden administration.

And what they need, Buck, is something that is significant of a story enough that takes away the attention from all the things that they’re failing on. I don’t know what that is. And I’m sure they’re sitting down right now as they enter into the fall trying to scramble, ’cause think about it, Buck. If you were trying to make an argument… Pretend that you are the advocate for Joe Biden. Covid you’ve totally failed on.

I think we need to keep hammering this. There are twice as many people in the hospital right now with covid as were in the hospital last Labor Day. Okay? He’s failed on covid, he’s failed on the border, he’s failed on crime all over this country, he has failed on Afghanistan, he’s failed on everything that he has touched.

I think they’re gonna try to argue infrastructure, and I think they’re gonna try to argue the budget. I’m not sure either of those get through. And then we’re gonna be into 2022. So, to me, this is a White House without ideas and without the functional ability to advocate in an effective way on behalf of the American public. I think it’s gonna keep getting worse.

BUCK: Yes. Your report card, though, is all reported in reality and in results and what’s actually happened. You know how the Democrats operate. How did they get Joe Biden elected? I mean, there were a lot of things that went into it: The changing laws in states, breaking the Constitution in certain states.

CLAY: I think it’s all covid.

BUCK: Covid was obviously a huge part of it. But they told us this lie that, one, Joe Biden was a guy who would bring together the country and he wouldn’t be just some pawn of the left. But also, beyond that, they never thought that he was competent, Clay. The people that really pay attention to politics and know Joe Biden understood that he was deteriorating, understood that it was obvious that it was reckless to put this guy in the commander-in-chief role.

But it was, in their minds, fully justified. The lies they told are still fully justified in their minds because it’s not Trump for four more years. And we haven’t even talked about — so, yeah, you’re right. I mean, I obviously agree. We talk about the failures all over the place. But you know in the next year the narrative is gonna shift to racism, the insurrection, the War on Women, all these distractions.

And the media apparatus… You know, only a small percentage of the country is gonna be the difference in the midterms. Really, when you look at it, the media apparatus is still 90, 95% in the tank for the Democrats. So we have a lot to overcome, even with your report card of reality that reflects as poorly as it does on the actual Biden administration policy.

CLAY: I think the challenge for them is even with all that in the tank, when you control the entire government, it’s hard to argue that somebody else is responsible for your failures. Now, here’s what I think they’ll do in response to that. You own the House, you own the Senate, you own the presidency.

BUCK: Kind of own the Senate, right, by a tiny bit.

CLAY: Yeah. They’re going to try to shift the attention to the Supreme Court. That’s what I think their pivot is gonna be. I think if you look forward, they’re going to argue that the Supreme Court is blocking, is blocking the full fruition of the Biden White House and the House for Nancy Pelosi and everything else, and they’re going to make the Supreme Court the foil in 2022 and probably in 2024 as well.

BUCK: There’s also the Biden court-packing commission.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They thought something else.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They call it “The Judicial fairness” whatever. It’s the Biden court packing commission, and you’re right. That’s gonna be a part of the narrative, especially with this whole War on Women abortion thing that’s the state of Texas has this really interesting law in the way that they’ve instituted it; I think you’re gonna see other states go along with this too. One thing that I don’t think has gotten enough attention with all that, Clay, as well — and we can come back into this. We never have enough time, Clay and I.

CLAY: We could do a six hour show easily.

BUCK: Literally we could do a six-hour show every day. Don’t worry. We’re not going to, but we could do a six-hour show every day.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But it is… I think it is a statement almost of fact. You could say it’s an assessment, but I think it’s an assessment for which it’s very hard to find a strong counterargument. That as we see this playing out right now in Texas and heading to the Supreme Court over the abortion issue, Donald Trump’s election win in 2016 — and Donald Trump as a president — was the most pro-life, most consequential pro-life president since Roe v. Wade was adopted.

Donald Trump will have done more for the cause of life as president based on just the Supreme Court picks that he’s made than anyone who came before him. That’s pretty remarkable, especially when… I’m sure you’ve seen out in Trump world they’re saying, “He smells weakness with Biden.” It’s looking more and more like he may do it.

CLAY: I would be stunned at this point if he doesn’t run, and he almost… Was it two weeks ago that we had him on or was the last week? Everything runs together. I can’t remember.

BUCK: We’re gonna get him to do it! We’re gonna get him to do it during the Mar-a-Lago show.

CLAY: He almost announced on our show. We’re gonna it to Mar-a-Lago and give him three hours to hang utilize with us at some point in the near future.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: I was just playing during the commercial break for you, Buck, a lot of the crowds in college football. We heard earlier Dr. Fauci saying that he didn’t like the fact that all these mass millions of people were willing to go to college football games in stadiums that were packed all over the country. But you are hearing — and I heard it in person — so many college kids out there with anti-Joe Biden chants that are breaking out inside of stadiums. I’ve never seen anything like it.

BUCK: Are they yelling, “Fauci, Joe Biden”? ’cause it’s something like that.

CLAY: There’s an F-word in front of Joe Biden. I’ve been going to college football games my entire life, and I have never heard a group of college kids chanting anti-American president chants like this. Look, when Joe Biden’s got a 43% approval rating from NPR polls, Buck, when the New York Times is writing articles on their editorial page, “Why is Joe Biden so unpopular?”

We were just talking in the last segment, I always like to think about politics from the perspective of, “Okay. Let’s try to figure out what both sides can do to maximize their perspective.” As we come into the fall, I think it’s fair to say that Joe Biden has had one of the most disastrous opening years in modern American history as the president. I think that’s fair to say whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican, in terms of approval rating; in terms of actual, substantive accomplishments; in terms of being able to point to anything that is impressive that he accomplished.

BUCK: Yes, we agree.

CLAY: So what do they do now?

BUCK: So what’s fascinating is that if they had a vice president that they really believed in —

CLAY: Yes, you’re right.

BUCK: — I think you would say, I think it would be much more likely that there would be right now a groundswell among Democrats for… Not for Joe Biden to resign. Joe Biden’s not gonna resign. He’s not gonna step down. That’s never gonna happen, okay? That’s actually not going to happen. But there would be a groundswell for — and he said this himself; people forget this now — “One term only. Pass the torch to the VP.”

And you would start to hear that realistically after the midterms. You still could see something like that. There may still be some Democrats who say that. We’re a year out; we’ll have to see. But, in the meantime, what’s very clear is that even Democrats recognize Kamala is not gonna get it done. Kamala running… They can’t hand the presidency to Kamala Harris.

She would have to run; Joe Biden would step down. She’d run, I guess, as the incumbent. Well, it depends on how they did it. But, anyway, the point being, she would have to actually become the head of the Democrat Party. And Clay, I think that even Democrats recognize that that’s not gonna work. So then maybe you get, “Do they run Joe Biden?” You always said the Weekend at Bernie’s presidency.

CLAY: Yeah, the Weekend at Bernie’s part 2. Yeah.

BUCK: They get Joe Biden to run, maybe he wins and then he steps down at the beginning of term 2. As dastardly as that scheme may seem… What, you put it beyond Democrats? They’re about to lie about covid stuff in a year and how it’s too dangerous to be in line to vote so they can try to win more elections the midterms.

CLAY: Here’s what I wish. I wish the presidential election was next year because I think if Trump ran, he would absolutely obliterate whoever’s gonna be running for the Democrats, if the election were in 2022. There are so many things that can happen between now and 2024 that it’s hard to forecast —

BUCK: Yeah, we have no idea.

CLAY: — exactly where we’ll be, who’s gonna run. Would you have foreseen if we were sitting here in, you know, 2013 and one of us had come on the air and said, “Hey, you know, I think 2016 it’s gonna be between Hillary Clinton and I think Donald Trump’s gonna run, and I think he’s gonna beat Hillary Clinton,” that would have been a pretty crazy prediction in 2013.

BUCK: I was in conservative media at the time, Clay, and I was over at CNN, and there were all these different…. I was an on-air conservative when they still allowed them. They don’t even allow that anymore.

CLAY: Of course not. Yeah.

BUCK: They’d bring you on and say, “Ahem, right-wing lunatic Buck Sexton,” and all the anchors attack you and the whole thing. But even at that stage, let’s never forget, they put Trump on air at CNN in 2015 winning going into the 2016 election, they put him on air because they thought it was funny.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They thought it was amusing.

CLAY: Good ratings.

BUCK: “Look how dumb these Republicans are! They’re going with this guy,” and of course, we got the last laugh. Which is why, Clay, also they never would forgive Trump because the thing that he did, even more than about the Supreme Court picks and how there’s now a real threat to Roe, thank God, and all these real policy changes that came from Trump. The unforgivable sin of Donald Trump as far as the media was concerned was that he was a threat to the vanity of the journo elites. That was too far, too much. Calling them Fake News, all of it.

CLAY: We should mention, the study that came out, 25% of Biden voters now regret their vote, and so I don’t think there’s any way they can Weekend at Bernie’s 2-style try to drag him across the finish line. I just… I’m not even sure what they pivot to. I think abortion and the Supreme Court will be one of the things they try to distract people with. I think that’s where they feel maybe they can energize some supporters who aren’t energized in any way by Joe Biden. I’m curious to see what happens with the budget ’cause I think that’s a big part of this, too.

BUCK: If Roe is struck down, though, as we talked about here, Clay — and this will be a big issue from now until June — it just goes back to the states.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: And then what I think will happen people will say, “Okay, state legislatures will pass laws about this, and some will have a six-week or a ten-week or whatever restriction, others will be abortion at any time for any reason,” and when people see that it’s not actually this Handmaid’s Tale dystopia —

CLAY: Yes. It’s a great point.

BUCK: — it may not even be the issue they think it is. So basically, “Everything is racist,” I think, is their most likely play. Oh, and class warfare socialism stuff. There you go.

CLAY: And we’ll see what happens with the budget. That’s gonna be huge, I think, to see whether Biden can get that pushed through, and I’m not sure that he can.

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Rolling Stone’s Ivermectin Lie Exposes Big Tech

7 Sep 2021

CLAY: Buck, I talked about this a little bit yesterday, but I gotta get your reaction to this story as well. So, Rolling Stone published a story that ivermectin was causing — the use of ivermectin was causing — an Oklahoma hospital to have to refuse service to people who were gunshot victims, that there were massive lines in the emergency room and that, as a result of ivermectin, this hospital was basically having to shut down its emergency because they were overflowed with ivermectin patients.

Everyone jumps on board this report. It is ricocheting throughout Twitter. The Rachel Maddows of the world — literally Rachel Maddow herself — shared this story. The usual suspects all shared it. It’s based on one doctor. Well, finally somebody reaches out to the hospital itself. It turns out the doctor hadn’t been at the hospital in a couple of months, and they had had no issues whatsoever with ivermectin of any degree.

That means the story — the Rolling Stone story, Buck — was 100% fake news, to use a Trump phrase, and was not in any way based in factual legitimacy. It was 100% not true. Does Twitter do anything with it? Does anybody require that any of these tweets receive any kind of statement, as yours and my tweets often do? Anytime we say, “Hey, here’s the latest data,” they add, “Just click here for covid vaccination information.” Alex Berenson loses his ability to post on Twitter, yet this story trends everywhere, and there are no consequences for the people who spread 100% fake news.

BUCK: Two observations about this, Clay. I saw this story over the weekend as I was taking some vacation. Thank you for being at the helm yesterday so I couldn’t actually get a day off. One of them is that the people who run with this stuff don’t care when it’s fake. Meaning that this is just like Russia collusion. This is the media environment we’re in now. You show your side how much you hate the other side, and you take a cheap shot at them, and you are rewarded with more viewers, more money, more following. That’s how left-wing, corporate media works today. That’s the situation. Look at Rachel Maddow: $30 million she’s gonna get paid in her new contract —

CLAY: To not even work.

BUCK: — to not even really work, and after just lying about Russia collusion for four years to her audience. It didn’t matter. The point was she was feeding the loony left what they wanted, and they loved her for it. And it’s the same thing with this. Rolling Stone, they have no credibility to protect at the Rolling Stone. These journalistic enterprises aren’t serious in being unbiased about the facts. But there’s another part of this that I found really bothersome, and you’re seeing this all over the place now too.

Yeah, sure they want to do this. They’ll lie about it; they’ll feel good lying about it. But, “Oh, look at these rubes! Look at these fools who probably voted for Trump who are taking ivermectin and all of this stuff.” That’s not even enough for them. They’ll lie about it and then file pile on top of that. “They’re a danger to you, crazy lib sitting at home with your three masks on while you’re taking a shower — to you, people sitting in Santa Monica or Brooklyn who watch MSNBC.

“They’re taking up all the hospital beds for the gunshot victims and the car accident victims!” So it’s not even enough to lie about them being dumb by saying, “There’s all these overdoses happening.” They lie about them being an actual menace to public safety, Clay, because that’s really what the left-wing audience wants to hear now. It’s not even, “Oh, these people who won’t do what Fauci says are endangering themselves.” No, it has to be they’re endangering everybody, and they’ll lie to make people think that.

CLAY: And it is just wild to me, and I would think… Alex Berenson said he’s figuring out he’s legal responses here. But to me — and again, this is me thinking about it from a legal perspective — if Twitter is going to argue that they are trying to apply editorial fact-checking functions to their service, this is a wildly arbitrary and capricious policy that you can point to this story, ’cause, remember, there’s a big difference.

You and I every single day share a variety of opinions. It’s oftentimes very hard to prove that an opinion is wrong because it’s just that. It’s an opinion, as opposed to a fact, which you can prove whether or not a fact is wrong or right. This story that Rolling Stone published, the “facts” are lies. It is 100% not real. It’s fake news to use the Trump term.

And yet there’s no requirement that Rachel Maddow take it down. There’s no requirement that all these MSNBC employees, Buck, who otherwise are able to share stories… You know, for you and me and Alex Berenson, anybody who shares facts, like data out of Israel or data about the vaccine that makes people uncomfortable, we’re not allowed to do that. But they’re allowed to share a story that is 100% false.

BUCK: You remember when people were supposed to be all freaked out…? It’s almost like, Clay, there are propaganda loops that we’re all in here, because as I’m seeing this — and to your point about how this is fake news, it’s not only fake. It’s obviously fake.

CLAY: Demonstrably and provably false.

BUCK: But even beyond that, though, when someone hears this, it doesn’t ring true to any reasonable person. “Really? The hospitals are overflowing? There are thousands of them who are dying from not even…?” Remember, they’re not taking ivermectin and getting sick. They’re overdosing on… You know, it’s one thing if you want to try a drug that’s off label, but is FDA cleared or something, right? I mean, this would be like saying, “Oh, I think that Tylenol would be helpful for people that have it.” Like, I had a lot of back pain from covid for whatever reason. Okay. If I down a whole bottle of Tylenol, that’s on me. That’s not on Bayer or whoever the manufacturer of Tylenol, right?

CLAY: Good point. Also, has there ever been any hospital that isn’t able to treat gunshot victims? Have you ever heard of somebody showing up at a hospital with a gunshot wound, they say, “Hey, we can’t get to you right now?”

BUCK: But it doesn’t even sound plausible anymore!

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s not even just cherry-picking facts or not looking at data. It’s an obvious lie, but it was a delicious lie for the left, so they ran with it. It just reminds me of this back in the day when we had people talking about — remember this? — the potential benefits of hydroxychloroquine, right? And then there was a version of it. It was not hydroxychloroquine. It was a different kind of chloroquine that is used to clean fish tanks.

There was this whole thing about someone took fish tank cleaner, most people said, “If you can’t tell the difference between hydroxychloroquine and what’s used to clean a fish tank that’s on you.” But that also was a stupid lie. That wasn’t a thing that was really happening. People weren’t overdosing on chloroquine fish tank cleaner all over the country. But they keep doing this because it’s essential to them, Clay, to believe the people who disagree with them are so dumb that they don’t even have to be listened to or thought about.

CLAY: I think that’s exactly right. It’s like Mad Libs version of a story. If a story perfectly fits your version of the world, it’s kind of like the Jussie Smollett case, Buc. That was so perfect where if it actually happened, it’s like a fever dream of a left-winger, right? Somebody in a MAGA hat chased down a gay black man with a noose in Chicago and said, “Hey, we’re doing this to you because we’re big Trump supporters!”

It’s like, “Hey, wait a minute! Oklahoma, red state, ivermectin. Dumb red state people can’t even treat gunshot victims!” When you see all the fact patterns lining up and it would be like the fever dream of a political party to have it occur, your initial response — if you have a functional brain — should be skepticism, right? That’s just what it naturally should be, especially on the internet where you have to question whether anything is true or false. There’s just so much fake, falsehood out there.

BUCK: I think it’s like some level to, people like Rachel Maddow, not only is it professionally beneficial to her. I mean, not like she really needs the money anymore but, you know, even rich people like money. Sometimes they like it a whole lot more than they should. But it benefits her professionally. But, Clay, I also think there’s some joy that the liberal elites get over promoting stories like this that are such a thumb in the eye to regular folks who don’t buy into all the Fauci stuff.

It’s like kind of like saying, “Yeah, this is what we think of you that we’ll run with the story that’s so patently false, so obviously run true, so vicious about how we think you’re not smart,” right? That’s what they’re really pushing, and I think they kind of get a sick joy out of it, honestly. Because there’s no way that Rachel Maddow didn’t have a moment — and she’s not the only one but she’s the most prominent one – where she’s like, “Are people really dying in large numbers over ODing over ivermectin?”

CLAY: Are they just refusing to treat gunshot victims because of it? Even take away the ivermectin and just be like, “Wait a minute. Are there really people showing up at emergency rooms and bleeding out because they can’t get the doctors to ’em?” I think that’s probably unlikely.

BUCK: We’re not sure hearing from the families. We’re not hearing from the police about this. We’re not hearing anything from anybody involved except one random doctor. But, anyway, the dumber and more vicious the lie, the more a lot of Democrats take to it right away.

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White Males Left Behind by Feminized Education System

7 Sep 2021

BUCK: We were just talking about college. There’s a different story making the rounds now about college, one that I think deserves a whole lot more attention than it has gotten in recent years. It’s in the Wall Street Journal, and here’s the title: “A Generation of American Men Give Up on College. ‘I Just Feel Lost.'” Now, it’s a pretty long piece.

Clay and I both found some of the analysis fascinating and some of the statistics, which I wanted to give you a few of right now so we get a sense of this. “At the close of the 2020-21 academic year, women made up 59.5% of college students, an all-time high, and men 40.5% … 1.5 million fewer students compared with five years ago, and men accounted for 71% of the decline. ….

“The college gender gap cuts across race, geography and economic background. For the most part, white men — once the predominant group on American campuses—no longer hold a statistical edge in enrollment rates,” and in fact, “Enrollment rates for poor and working-class white men are lower than those of young Black, Latino and Asian men from the same economic backgrounds…”

This is according to Wall Street Journal analysis of the Pell Institute, which does Pell grants. Clay, there’s so much here. We could just start with this, though. It’s fascinating that for so many people in higher education that 60% are women. Obviously men, women, you’d want this to be 50-50, we would think, right? ‘Cause it’s roughly what the population is. Sixty percent of college students are women.

A lot of men… This translates into hundreds of thousands of men a year are choosing not to go to college who might have gone to college previously, and there’s a lot of factors in this. I mean, one, though, seems to be just the sense that is it really worth it? And are you gonna get the resources and encouragement as particularly a working class, white male in America today? No one’s gonna give a big speech with working class white males enrolling in college in larger numbers. They will about other demographics and other groups. What’s going on here, as you see it?

CLAY: Man. I think this is a big, seismic shift in American culture that’s going on. So we start here. Buck, you and I were at the forefront of this when we were in college. And I remember when I was in law school, my law school class had more women than men, which was unheard of. And I remember when we would go for on-campus interviews, the men would overwhelmingly be interviewing us.

‘Cause they tended to be lawyers who had been lawyers for a long time, and I remember them saying, “Well, we’re trying to get more female lawyers into the firms,” and I remember thinking to myself, “Well, wait a minute. If you use Vanderbilt Law School where I was going as a proxy, there are going to be more female law graduates then there are men in short order,” and we basically have reached that level.

Now, when you think about 60%, effectively, of all college students being women, I think to me the first thing that jumps out is — and this is larger scale. I think this implicates elementary school, and I know there’s probably a lot of parents out there who will feel like this as well. I think schools do a worse job of educating boys than they do girls, and some people are gonna say. “Oh, my God. What are you talking about?”

I think that we have feminized the education dynamic to such an extent that the way that we teach is more designed towards women than it is towards men and towards girls than it is towards boys. So I think that environment that we create — and I think it was a well-intentioned idea, which was, “Hey, women are wildly underrepresented,” 50 years ago or 40 years ago or whatever it was on college on campuses, “and so we’re going to cater more towards them.”

I think that has led to a feminized educational environment. I also think there are a lot of men out there that look at the cost of school and they say, “Wait a minute. At 18 years old, I can go learn a trade. Plumbing, electricity. There are lots of jobs that can pay well for men that don’t require, in any way, a college degree. Military. There’s still a lot of people who go into the military.

And I think there are a lot of men who look at the cost of education, and they say, “Wait a minute. If I know what I’m interested in doing already, I don’t know that I gain a lot from college.” And I’ll be honest with you, Buck. I think that now as a dad. If my son, one of them, came to me and said, “Hey, Dad, I know what I want to do. I want to go work in,” let’s say, something high-tech, right? I don’t know that they gain that much from going and getting a degree.

BUCK: Right. So there are clearly incentive changes or people are feeling like the non-dischargeable… ‘Cause if you’re gonna make 30 or $40,000 a year in a full-time job let’s say, something like that, and you’re gonna be take on $30,000 of debt, which is pretty standard for a lot of schools — 20 to 30,000, some people it’s a hundred thousand.

But 20 to 30,000 is a pretty average debt load for a lot of four-year programs. Is that really worth it? But also, when you bring up the feminization, if you will, of the educational system, I think there’s also a lot of devaluing of masculinity through the education system, of telling boys, “Be quiet! You’re too assertive.”

CLAY: Yeah. “Your ‘toxic masculinity’ is showing. You’re mansplaining.”

BUCK: “Toxic masculinity” is an issue. There are all of these issues that come up, and you actually see this as well in the ideology of the people who run these college campuses because there are all these affinity groups and programs and different incentive structures and support structures for everybody except young men and particularly young, working-class, white males. We’re not talking about people who, you know, Thurston Howell III whose three fathers before him all went to Harvard.

We’re talking about just average, working-class families, white Americans as the demographic. The Wall Street Journal piece writes, “Young men get little help, in part, because schools are focused on encouraging historically underrepresented students. Jerlando Jackson, department chair, Education Leadership and Policy Analysis, at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Education, said few campuses have been willing to spend limited funds on male underachievement that would also benefit white men, risking criticism for assisting those who have historically held the biggest educational advantages.

“‘As a country, we don’t have the tools yet to help white men who find themselves needing help,’ Dr. Jackson said. ‘To be in a time when there are groups of white men that are falling through the cracks, it’s hard.'” Essentially, Clay, the schools that know this is happening, that there are while working class male students who are not getting the resources they need. And they’re saying, “Yeah, but white men in general have had it so easy to campus previously that if we gotta sacrifice them now, that seems fair” to them. That’s the mentality, which is really… You want to talk about toxic?

CLAY: I mean, just thinking about what the reaction on college campuses, Buck, would be if 60% of all students were still male. I mean, this would be an outrage. Elizabeth Warren and her ilk would be talking about it every single day. But you have to worry — and it’s interesting you talk about the white male underclass. There’s a certain segment of the population that still sees college as the only way to a higher level of success, right?

And I’m not sure that that’s still accurate going forward. I was texting during this commercial break. I go ta a good buddy who’s wildly successful and we were talking about this during the commercial break. And he was saying, “Look, you know, where I went to school, I look around at the guys that I went with,” and he says “If I had just gone right into the profession that I’m in now at 18?

“I don’t know that I gained anything at all from college,” and it’s a really interesting question. He said, “You know, look. There are a lot of guys who go to lower-level schools and end up successful. But don’t you think those guys probably would have ended up successful whether they went to schools or not?”

BUCK: There’s also too many pressures. We can come back into some more of this. There are too many different ways to game the credentialing system, ’cause that’s really what particularly four-year colleges and graduate programs have been for a long time now, right? You said it. It’s supposed to be the million dollars of extra earning power from a four-year degree over one’s lifetime, right? That’s the statistic that gets thrown around.

But beyond that, there’s also the doors that all this is supposed to open in your day-to-day lives, the professional advancement that you’ll have. But the truth is, I mean, there are too many of these fancy schools for people to really be able to just count on that as a credential to open the career. I mean, I know plenty of people who went to Ivy League schools who ended up doing kind of not a whole lot of stuff when they got out and that’s just focusing on the Ivy League.

There are a lot of great schools aren’t Ivy League. I think that also factors in the value proposition. But we’ll come back into why are men not going to college in the same numbers they were even five years ago? And is there a devaluing of masculinity that has been a part of this in the education system as well as just kind of a Marxist urge from the professors and the administrative class to balance out historical injustice at the expense of working-class, white males today.

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