Breakthrough Cases Pile Up: What’s Really Going On?

9 Sep 2021

BUCK: Teresa in Salt Lake City, Utah, what’s going on?

CALLER: Hey, so I have a point to make, and then I just want to throw something at you. Okay, I’m a painter by trade, and we wear N95s, except during covid where we had to wear stupid masks. And the thing about the N95 is they have to be changed every four hours, and even after you’re done spraying, you take it off and you still look like you’ve done a ton of cocaine, okay?

CLAY: (chuckling)

CALLER: That’s just the truth. They do not help. Secondly, I just wanted to get your thoughts on this, how there’s so many breakthrough cases right now. Has anybody thought about the fact that because the efficacy of this drug has just hit rock bottom, that maybe it is turning your immune system against you?

BUCK: Okay, Teresa, first of all, great comments, great comments.

CLAY: She’s eavesdropping on us!

BUCK: Yeah. So Clay and I have been talking about this. Here’s the thing. Teresa, excellent. Thank you so much, and we’ll address this in a moment here. I’ve been talking to doctors, and so has Clay. Some of our… We have our respective MD brain trusts of people that we can go to who we cannot… We cannot have them on the show. We cannot because they will lose their license, or they will get death threats or whatever.

CLAY: All those things, yes.

BUCK: And I want to keep good doctors who aren’t crazy in the hospital system, thank you very much. I want to keep doctors who don’t worship Fauci in the medical profession.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But we’ve been talking to them, and there are some theories out there about how we’re at this level of cases right now. I will say they make sense, and they are very bad for the Biden administration vax policy situation. But I think we got… Clay, right? I don’t want to start rolling. It’s a little early.

CLAY: We will say this. Buck and I, off the air — and that’s why I think it was, Teresa, such a smart question. And I said, like, “Hey, are you eavesdropping on us?”

BUCK: We were just talking about this.

CLAY: We literally during a commercial break were sharing data back and forth. And we were saying look. And this is what science is, right? Not that we are scientists, certainly. But you look at observable data, the facts, and you try and reverse-engineer, “Why would that be occurring?” For instance, in the last break we were looking at the data in Scotland, and Scotland has over a 90% vax rate, and yet they are setting — every single day — new records of cases, infections, hospitalizations.

BUCK: And hospitalizations, which is the point that they’ve been clinging on, “Oh, no, you won’t get that sick.” That’s turning out to not be as true as they’ve been saying as well.

CLAY: So what is happening there? Why is that data telling us a story, and what is that data’s relationship with vaccination and covid? And the question we started off today’s show with, which hardly anybody’s discussing: If you compare the number of people that are hospitalized right now on this exact date compared to last year when we had no vaccine, we had no treatment that was widely available, right, and free?

BUCK: Right, 300%. This is how we started out the show.

CLAY: That’s how we started off the show.

BUCK: And there’s no explanation forthcoming from the Fauciites.

CLAY: At all.

BUCK: I will say this. I will admit this unlike Fauci and the rest, I’m not a doctor, I’m not a scientist; neither is Clay. But we have this and reading about it but we have scientists and doctors who are reaching out to us all the time. I mean, you start reaching out doing research not just on the numbering but on different things that do exist like antibody-dependent enhancement, things like that. You Google that and you start to say, “We need answers here from Fauci and the rest. We need to know what the heck is really going on,” because, Clay, it just doesn’t make sense.

CLAY: It doesn’t add up.

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Psaki Defends Fauci on Wuhan Lab Funding

9 Sep 2021

CLAY: Dr. Fauci, I think it’s fair to say, is a dictator — “the petty, lab coat tyrant” as you call him.

BUCK: Also known as “the science,” Clay. He’s “the science.”

CLAY: He’s doing, I think, right now… You would think, if the media were doing its job they’d be questioning him about all of these Intercept reports dealing with the gain-of-function research. He’s doing an interview right now with the New York Times. I bet they don’t even ask him about it. It’s like a live chat interview or whatever.

But Jen Psaki got asked about it in the White House press briefing yesterday. If you didn’t hear this, most of the questions she gets are softballs, but this one was pretty detailed. Again, if you haven’t read it, I would encourage you to just type in “Fauci…” We’ll see whether or not Google allows you to find it.

Type in “Fauci Intercept” on Google and read the emails that further demonstrate that our tax dollars were going for gain-of-function research in Wuhan where the covid virus came from. And many people in the media are not paying attention to it. But Jen Psaki was actually asked about it yesterday. Here’s what it sounded like.

ROBINSON: …the story about Dr. Fauci yesterday in the Intercept, the documents released that show he was untruthful?

PSAKI: (long silence)

BUCK: Oh, she runs right by it. That was Newsmax’s Emerald Robinson, who is a —

CLAY: Good job.

BUCK: — fierce, fierce advocate for the truth and holding this administration accountable.

Psaki ignores a shouted question to end the briefing from @Newsmax‘s @EmeraldRobinson about the government documents published by @TheIntercept that showed the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci lied about the U.S. funding gain of function research in Wuhan, China pic.twitter.com/xSnTebyCAw

— Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) September 8, 2021

CLAY: Well, good job by asking the question. And no surprise that Psaki was trying to run out without answering it. But you’ve seen a lot of news. I saw Josh Hawley among other senators that have demanded that Fauci resign and/or be removed from his position. And honestly, if we had an honest media and if we had an honest political class, Fauci wouldn’t be employed anymore, and also we’d have a major criminal investigation into his testimony in Congress.

BUCK: Can we just…? Let’s try to take a step back, Clay, from the, “Oh, yes, do I think that Fauci is the most evil Democrat Smurf in the history of the United States? Probably.” But we’ll take a step back from the fact that I find this guy to be utterly detestable on many, many levels and look at this in any other context. He is the most visible, most vocal, architect, if you will, of our covid response.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: We are now 18 months-plus into this nightmare. We are in a worse place by the numbers now —

CLAY: Than we ever have been.

BUCK: — than we were a year ago under the Trump administration pre-vaccine with Fauci in charge! If he were a general, he would have to resign because he is losing the war based, in large part, on the horrible decisions he’s made. But he stays? He’s the only person that can do this job? He’s the only one we hear from?

CLAY: Buck, we’ve got the NFL kicking off today. If Fauci were an NFL coach, he would have a hundred billion percent been fired already. We have a higher standard when it comes to football coaches than we do for the leader of our covid response in many ways on behalf of the federal government.

BUCK: And you and I both know the reason Fauci isn’t gone — and, by the way, will not be gone until he chooses.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Even though I think future generations or historians… When we finally get some clarity here people gonna realize what utter madness this was. We’re gonna look back at the mask craze the way people did the tulip craze when one bulb of tulip was worth more than, like, the entire output of a major nation at the time.

CLAY: That’s great. Also, it’s gonna be like Vietnam, I think, where all of these experts who told us the best and brightest minds got us into Vietnam, the best and brightest minds that led us to this deferment to science — even though it’s not real science — I think this is going to be like that where everybody eventually comes around and realizes how insane it’s been.

BUCK: But the reason Fauci has the job security, Clay, is because from the very beginning he… He’s a Democrat. I mean, that’s obvious, and he has been identified with “the science” Democrats, the same people that talk about “menstruating persons” and all this stuff. Fauci has been their guru. Fauci has been their figurehead, their symbol.

So they know that if he goes, people might start to say, “Wait a second. What exactly did that guy do and why was he…?” So they’ll keep him as long as he wants Right now, I bet you the plan is for him to maybe retire with honor after the midterm election when there’s no possibility of political fallout from it. And you say, “There’s no accountability in government whatsoever in these bureaucratic roles.” That’s the problem.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: Clay and I have been asking the question today in the show, the beginning of the show, “How can Fauci still have a job?” Think about what a disaster all the covid response has been, and even if you think it’s not Fauci’s fault, if you want to be a Fauci defender, fine. Well, not fine, but that’s a whole other conversation.

Shouldn’t we at least bring in some fresh thinking? Shouldn’t we bring in somebody else to be the voice and the face of the “mitigation” movement, so to speak? Well, you add that to the 900 pages of documents that the Intercept got that say that there was, in fact, U.S. funding from a cutout from Fauci at the NIH, in essence.

Using Peter Daszak and EcoHealth Alliance, money went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to do gain-of-function research, U.S. taxpayer dollars. Peter Doocy, who has the great job of being one of the only people who gets to ask — or will ask and get to ask — real questions in the White House press corps had quite an exchange with Jen Psaki today on this one. And you can just see that they’re all Fauciites in this White House.

DOOCY: You said from that podium that under no circumstance would President Biden ever fire Dr. Fauci. Is that still the case, since Fauci told Congress the NIH never funded gain-of-function research for coronaviruses in Wuhan, but documents published by the Intercept suggest that is not true, which would mean that he misled Congress.

PSAKI: Well, first I would say that NIH, uh, has, uh, refuted, uh, that reporting, ummm, and, uh, I would point you to that. But let me give you some highlights of that. Uh, NIH has never approved any research that would make the coronavirus more dangerous to humans. I’m reminded that there are previous and different coronaviruses than the existing one we’re battling. And the body of science produced by this research demonstrates that the bat coronavirus sequences published from that work, uh, NIH supported were not, uh, covid, the — the strain, covid-2 strain. Uh, so what he said was correct.

DOOCY: So his job is safe?

PSAKI: Correct.

BUCK: Oh, his job is safe, Clay! Just like we’ve been saying. This just happened, by the way, this just occurred in the last hour or so.

CLAY: Good job by Peter Doocy asking that question. Clearly Jen Psaki was prepared for it, and again, what I would say is, all of these defenses are very lawyered up. When I say somebody “lawyers up,” what I mean is they know that they are oftentimes in peril, and so they start to try to craft a very distinct defense that is different than just like the blanket denial, right?

What Jen Psaki there is trying to say is, “Well, we may have paid for gain-of-function research, but it wasn’t the gain-of-function research on this particular covid virus.” Whether or not that’s true or not, I don’t know. It still doesn’t disprove the fact that we paid for gain-of-function research in the Wuhan virology lab, which then ended up losing or somehow getting the covid virus out.

So just pay attention to what is being said. They’re trying to finesse a very tiny needle here difference between what they did and what he was saying they did in his testimony so that, again — we talked about this yesterday, Buck — one of the most challenging cases to make is perjury, because perjury requires so many concrete elements, and it’s hard to prove intent. Sometimes people just misspeak. Sometimes they don’t —

BUCK: Congress, I mean, people go to prison all the time for 1001 violations. That’s the FBI’s favorite statute, lying to federal officers. That’s the best one.

CLAY: Right. But it still is a challenge to prove that somebody lied to Congress, right? There’s a relatively difficult charge.

BUCK: Yes. Very few people go to prison. You said perjury. Broadly speaking people go to prison for perjury frequently, but to Congress? When was the last time you heard somebody who wasn’t a Trump supporter, by the way, who got sent for lying to Congress?

CLAY: And a lot of times, by the way, you plea down if they catch you, you can get caught in blatant lie because you’re not expecting… This is what happens a lot, right? The FBI shows up at people’s doors, they panic, they’re not expecting to get quizzed on something and they say something that can be proven to be false.

What I’m saying here Fauci is doing and what the White House are doing, this is all lawyered up. They are preparing their defense in advance because they know that Fauci is ethically in a tough spot, and they’re trying to argue that he’s not culpable even though I think reasonable listeners would argue that he is.

BUCK: Fauci’s gotta go.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And I know that they’re dug in on this one and they — we’ve discussed this, why they don’t want to let Fauci go, because, first of all, I think the same way there are parents who are completely detached from the realty of the numbers and really believe that their child will die unless they’re wearing a loosely draped face cloth for part of the day.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: There are also people who think that without Fauci, they couldn’t sleep at night. Fauci has become their little totalitarian Smurf security blanket. And that’s what they don’t want to ever give up. I mean, they like to have this guy. If you’re a CNN watcher — and, first of all, you think that CNN is real journalism, which is hilarious to begin with.

You see Fauci come on TV, you probably think, “Oh, okay, we’ll be okay. We need to see more Fauci,” you know? And so they don’t want to let him go. We do need to push for him to get fired even though it’s not gonna happen because eventually it may become such an outcry that they at least make him step down or step aside in some way.

CLAY: Or just not be the primary spokesperson —

BUCK: That’s what I mean.

CLAY: They sideline him and hide him somewhere.

BUCK: I actually think that the Trump administration probably should have fired him web but look, I’ll admit that’s Monday morning quarterbacking now, but if I am Monday morning quarterbacking, I think it would have been worth it to get rid of him early on.

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9 Sep 2021

BUCK: Clay and I have been worried for a while here about where this is gonna go with the Biden administration, because here is a very broad overview of the situation as it is right now. There are over 200 million Americans as of today who have been vaccinated. Cases right now are 300% higher than they were a year ago –12 months ago to the day — when there were exactly zero people vaccinated.

We know that. We also know that there were a whole lot of infections in the wintertime last year. The high at the absolute peak was in January of — December-January period of 2020. So there’s a lot of natural immunity out there. Clay, how is it that tonight we have a Biden speech where they’re going to essentially tell us:

“The federal government is going to ram more Fauciism down our throats,” when they don’t even attempt to explain how we could have more natural immunity, 200 million doses of vaccine — or full vaccination — already in the population, and 300% more cases? And some places even having record hospitalization! Do they even have an answer?

CLAY: It is the essence of the questions that should be asked of the Biden administration and Dr. Fauci, if our media did a good job of asking questions that matter. I mean, you got right to the essence of what the data is telling us. And the ultimate test… I think this is gonna be a fascinating window, Buck, because Biden is speaking at 5 o’clock Eastern, right?

He’s gonna lay out all these new regulations, more requirements for federal employees, contractors, mandates as much as he can; encouraging private industry to mandate as well. And then this is gonna be interesting, Buck, because you’re gonna have Biden talk at 5 and basically say, “Hey, everything is a disaster with covid and we gotta blame everybody who’s not getting vaccinated.”

And then a couple of hours later you’re gonna have the NFL kicking off down the Tampa, Ron DeSantis’ backyard, and you are gonna have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Dallas Cowboys playing, and there’s gonna be 75,000 fans — biggest and first sellout crowd in the NFL since the Super Bowl in 2020, right? All the way back then.

And there’s gonna be this fascinating dichotomy where you’re gonna have a lot of American sports fans saying, “Hey, it’s time to get on with our life,” and you’re gonna have the federal government and Joe Biden hectoring everyone and saying, “Hey, you can’t get on with your life because of covid right now,” and that dichotomy, we saw it, Buck, with college football.

Fauci and all the Fauciites are furious at college football fans. I think the NFL as the bigger production is gonna put this thing on steroids and you’re gonna have these two conflicting images: Biden saying, “Hey, hide in your basements, you’re not safe,” and then you’re gonna have college football and these NFL fans for the first time ever saying, “Hey, it’s time to get back to normal,” and I’m gonna love to see how this is covered.

BUCK: They’re not even hiding anymore, Clay, that their goal here is to make every man, woman, and child in the country get the shot, and they want to make people get the shot at a time when we also know that it is not the end.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s not like it was over. Remember that was the pitch in April and May.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Get the shot and you’re done. It is absolutely not the case. No person will you tell you, “Get the shot and you’re done anymore.” Not based on the Fauciite logic. They’re not even dealing with that reality. They just want to force people. You mentioned the federal government has over two million employees.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: I used to be a federal government employee. So, you know, back in my old CIA days, you know, if we would fast-forward and then the pandemic had happened, I would have had the choice, “Okay. I served my country in a couple war zones for the CIA. Now, I’ve been in 10 or 15 years; I’m gonna lose my job,” even if I have natural immunity from the virus.

Never mind that it’s a conscience, I think, violation for those who have no immunity, you know, no immunity, no antibodies, whatever, but on top of that, people with natural immunity, there’s no exemption, no exceptions at all.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The federal government is expected to make everyone who works for it get the shot. That’s what Biden’s gonna say tonight. And then — and this is the piece that I’ve been warning about — they’re just going to find every point of leverage coercion that they have at the state level where Democrats are in charge.

At the local level, wherever possible, they’re gonna rely on activist judges, and the private sector. Biden/the federal government has a lot of carrots and sticks when it comes to private corporations, and they’re gonna try to get some of the biggest companies in America to say, “You get the shot or you’re fired. Full stop.”

CLAY: There’s two things that I want to unpack that you just said that I think is really good. First of all, if everybody in America who is 12 and older had the vaccine, covid’s still not going away. Right? And that is where I think the Biden administration is failing in terms of their messaging because all of people out there…

Look, 75% of people who are 18 and over have already gotten one shot. We were told back in May, “Hey, get the shot; you’ll never have to wear a mask anywhere again,” and also we were told, “If we have 70% by July 4th, effectively, this thing will be over.” Well, we didn’t hit it by July 4th, but here we are September 8th or whatever the heck it is.

And we have ended up with 75% of all 18-and-ups who have gotten the shot. And for 12-and-up, it’s 72%. I believe those are the most recent numbers. Other thing here, Buck. I think the private industry part of this is where Biden is really going to lien on everybody. I was out last night at an event with people who work in radio, local radio, and they were… I’ll just say it.

They work at Cumulus, which is a major national radio company. They have mandated that every single Cumulus employee get the vaccine. Every single one of them. The CEO came out and said it, and I think there are a lot of people out there working at companies in our industry. Certainly if it’s happening here, it’s happening all over this country.

Where people who are in private industries not connected at all to the federal government are being told, “Get the vaccine or you lose your job.” That’s what Biden is going to try to do. He’s gonna try to use the bully pulpit of the presidency to lean on everybody out there who has a company to be making these vaccine mandates.

BUCK: And just, everyone needs to understand, when they say, “Oh, but, you know, the private sector, the private sector!” First of all, the private sector can’t do whatever it wants in a million different ways we could all sit here and discuss.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Think of all the regulations on private companies.

CLAY: “It’s a private company!” There’s all sorts of restrictions on private companies.

BUCK: “Oh, I don’t want Big Government in my private company!”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: There are tons of regulations that affect private companies: workplace, workplace environment, hostile environment, diversity-inclusion stuff. There’s all these different rules that already exist, and now here we are, we’re starting is to see I think people realizing that unless there are individual rights protected by government here, everyone’s gonna start getting steamrolled.

Oh, you think your local public school has got a decent board? Oh, well, the Department of Education’s got a different feeling on that one. You think that the company that you work for is gonna protect your rights? Well, maybe — Clay, you’re a lawyer — what if they don’t create any protections from liability for companies?

CLAY: This is what you got into with NOAA as well right?

BUCK: But they can sue, right?

CLAY: Yeah, yeah.

BUCK: Now you’re in a situation where if a company is gonna be liable for somebody who gets sick and died from covid if they don’t have a vax mandate. We haven’t even tested some of these things, you’re gonna see everybody getting it, and that’s why it’s interesting. Ron DeSantis, if I may… Now, this is from a week ago but we haven’t played it yet for everybody.

He is saying… I don’t know. He kind of sounds like somebody else when he talks about protecting. Government’s role is not to say, “Oh, I want a small government. Government’s role is to protect individual freedom and liberality with the Constitution as its primary shield for that.” Here’s from a week ago, DeSantis.

DESANTIS: Today, my philosophy is: As governor, my job is to protect your individual freedom. My job is not to protect corporate freedom. That is not what I’m here for. I mean, we have a good business climate. We have everything. But this idea that businesses can just do whatever they want and invade your privacy and do all that?

No, I’m not signing up for that. I’m signing up for protecting your freedom and making sure we have a society in Florida where people can make the best decisions for themselves and for their families. And that’s what we’re doing by protecting against these mandates and making sure that that’s done based on what people believe is best for them and their families.

BUCK: I’m glad that Governor DeSantis is not bullied around by corporate interests in his state. There’s at least some hope, Clay. There’s some encouragement here for those of us who don’t want to be part of the steamroller. New York’s already been hit with it, folks. We’re done here. They’re coming for you elsewhere in the country, though. That’s the point.

CLAY: And I think what we need to discuss more, too, about this Buck — and I want to keep hammering this. There’s this false ideal that if 100% of people were vaccinated, this thing would go away, right? For a long time, the past 18 months, there’s always been a new villain right? Well, if everybody just wore their masks. Well, if everybody just stayed home and locked down harder.

Well, if schools were shut down. Well, if this state would not allow people to be on the beaches, if they would shut down parks. All of these things that have been required have all failed, right? And what is going to fail — and I hate to say it, but this is what the data reflects — is, we are being sold a bill of goods, which is, “If everybody was vaccinated, covid would go away.” We’re at 75% vaccinations already, Buck, and covid’s not going away.

BUCK: Going away?

CLAY: It’s here forever.

BUCK: It’s three times worse than it was a year ago!

CLAY: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. So the argument that is gonna be made by Joe Biden… They keep trying to say, “Oh, we only have a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” That’s not true. That’s not true at all. And again, looking at the data is important here, and recognizing, “What’s the next step,” even if 100% of people are vaccinated?

BUCK: There are two fundamental fallacies that coincide in all of this and, obviously, Clay we’re both fired up about this. We’ll come back in this in a second. One, is that the people making the decisions really know what they’re doing. And two, the people who don’t listen to the people who have been making all these decisions are the problem.

CLAY: (chuckles) Yes.

BUCK: Both of those things are false.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: We were talking about this after the show yesterday, CNN’s got up a headline, “Children hospitalizations, pediatric dangers,” everything else. This stat blew my mind. Buck, more kids have been shot in Chicago this year than have died with covid in the country. Think about that stat for a minute. More kids shot in Chicago this year — in Chicago alone — than have died with covid in the entire country. That’s Joe Kinsey, a story that he’s got up with on OutKick right now. I was reading that, and I was like, “Wow, this is unbelievable.”

BUCK: This is one of the areas where I will say I actually have underestimated the degree of ignorance, and I’ve dug into this more. When you mentioned that there are parents — because I talked to Matt Walsh of The Daily Wire about it as well offline. I talked to other people — my friend here Karol Markowicz who does great work for the New York Post.

She’s been a total freedom advocate during the craziest periods of the lockdowns here. And whenever I talk to them about this they say, “No, there really are a lot of parents…” I mean, it’s not a majority, but there are a lot of parents who think their kids are gonna get covid and die.

CLAY: They’re terrified of covid.

BUCK: And this is pure disinformation from CNN running headlines about, “Pediatric hospitalizations way up!” Well, if they’re way up from, you know, 50 to 70, I mean, this is not a massive public health crisis by any stretch of the imagination. But people see the headline, they see the way it’s being manipulated, and parents are terrified.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: I mean, Clay, you got kids. I don’t. It’s on parents, right? It’s young… You want to kind of YOLO. You want to go out there and go to big events or super she reads or whatever they’re calling it — also known as “living your life” — that’s on you, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: But when you’re making decisions for your kids as a parent that’s a whole other level of responsibility and if you’ve got bad information because of all the Fauciites?

CLAY: And you have your fears being played upon and Jen Psaki, let’s play this, like, how much are your lives gonna change, basically, she was asked. And she gave kind of a snide remark.

PSAKI: There will be new steps the president announces tomorrow, absolutely.

REPORTER: How will those new steps influence the average American’s day-to-day life? Should we expect any new mitigation, recommendations as an example?

PSAKI: It depends on if you’re vaccinated or not.

CLAY: Ohhhh! If you’re vaccinated, the world is your oyster! You’ll never have to worry about the anything.

BUCK: It depends on are you like an idiot savage or a really good, smart person who listens to Fauci? That’s basically what she’s saying.

CLAY: Yeah, remember Jen Psaki — and we teed off on her for this, too. She’s a parent. I think she has a kindergartener, and she tried to terrify everybody out there by saying, “Oh, I would be terrified if my kids were going to school and they weren’t wearing masks,” even though masks don’t work in schools as the data reflects and even though kids are not under danger. Again, you can go read that stat about Chicago. Think about that: More kids shot in Chicago, Buck, than have actually died of covid this year.

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9 Sep 2021

BUCK: We have both the overall recall story to get into with you, but also an ugly incident that happened yesterday with Larry Elder, friend of the show, great guy, very widely liked and respected in conservative media circles and he’s doing well. He’s doing well in this recall effort. In fact, right now he would be the next governor…

If Gavin Newsom gets recalled, he’d be the next governor of California. Now, before we talk about the ugly incident which Clay and I want to break down for you in a moment, let’s just put into the context what’s happening right now in California. It’s a state that Democrat policies over the last 20 years or so have just driven into the ground.

You have a lot of people who are leaving, who are moving. A lot of the Texans listening to us right now are thinking, “Yeah, don’t ‘California’ our Texas,” right, ’cause they know a lot of people have left the Golden State for other places. They’re moving to Nevada; they’re moving to Idaho, to Texas; some of them moving to Florida, other places around the country.

Because the taxes are super high, the government is dysfunctional, the streets are filthy, the homeless problem is out of control, the crime is rising, and people are just living in this lunatic lifestyle liberalism delusion. And we know that right now you’re thinking, “Oh, it’s a blue state.” But you have to remember, there are millions of registered Republicans in the state of California, too.

One of the largest audiences we have on here on the show for one single market is our affiliate KEIB in Los Angeles. We have other very wonderful affiliates in California as well. But the point here being, there are a lot of folks who are suffering who aren’t responsible and who are trying to fight against these policies at the state level.

So what’s the likelihood that Gavin Newsom gets recalled? The most recent polling shows — I was just checking in the last hour — that he’s got a pretty good position if you believe the polls. Now, a lot of these polling companies are gonna be favorable to him for a lot of reasons. If you believe the polls, he looks to have a seven-, eight-point advantage ’cause here’s how the recall works, just so you all know.

If he gets less than 50% support, whoever gets the most votes from the recall, becomes the next governor. So if Newsom fails to get essentially a vote of confidence of 51% or more, over 50%, then whoever has the most votes of the candidates on the slate becomes the next governor. Larry Elder’s support right now is something like maybe 25%, something along those lines of those who are likely voters in the state of California.

Clay, we’re gonna talk about the assault on Larry in a second, but just first, to me one of the problems here is that California… They recalled Gray Davis and replaced him with Schwarzenegger, and Schwarzenegger ran into the buzzsaw of state employee unions and the teachers unions and was not able to do anything.

He’s also is kind of a lib to begin with. The problem isn’t actually Gavin Newsom in California. The problem is the Democrat Party’s one-party control of California. And I think that that’s, unfortunately, not going to change no matter what this recall effort shows.

CLAY: I think that’s the challenge, and it’s interesting. Where I live here in Nashville, Buck, we are surrounded by people who have fled California. Massive numbers of people have just relocated. Now, I know there’s a lot of you out there listening who are in… I saw this. I don’t know if you saw this, Buck: Where people are moving in 2021 so far.

We ran through a little bit of this list I think on Monday I was kind of running through. But it’s such a fascinating list because obviously nowhere in California are people moving, but listen to some of these cities: Orlando, Florida; Las Vegas, Nevada; Denver; Savannah, Georgia; Dallas; Tampa; Austin; Nashville; Fort Myers; and West Palm Beach. It’s basically Tennessee, Texas, and Florida.

People are fleeing states and regions where there’s no lockdown freedom, and they’re moving to places where there is freedom. So a big part of this Larry Elder situation, I think — and you mentioned how many people are Republicans in California. It’s a great stat that blows people’s minds. More people voted for Donald Trump in California than in Texas. People say, “Whoa!”

That’s how big the state of California is. But there are more Trump voters in California than there are in the state of Texas. Pretty wild to think about when you look at the 2020 election returns. So the question here is, “Can we get a win that would shock the entire Democratic establishment?” ’cause they’re bringing in all the big guns. Whether it’s Kamala, whether it’s Biden, whether it’s Obama, they’re all speaking out right now desperate for Gavin Newsom.

BUCK: He’s a sweetheart of the Democrat establishment. They love Gavin Newsom. He’s very slick. He’s very telegenic, seems very smooth.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: I think they spent $30 million last month to try to keep him in office?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They’re spending huge amounts of money to keep this guy because there is a very clear dynamic at play here. There is an optic that will be hard for the Democrat spinsters to make go away. What are the two blue strongholds? What are the two bluest states?

CLAY: New York and California.

BUCK: It’s New York and California, which is funny, of course, ’cause you point out our largest-by-market audiences on a state level it’s probably New York, California. I guess it just tracks population too, but New York, California, Texas, and then maybe Florida is right up there with Texas. Because there are a lot of Republicans in New York and California.

People forget this. There are a million registered — more than that, actually, I think — registered Republicans in New York City where I am, and that’s why this show… I’m here with them, Clay, behind the enemy lines in the commie place —

CLAY: You are behind enemy lines.

BUCK: — and there’s a lot of them out there listening in the Tri-State area, but the narrative for the Democrats is gonna be very clear. They lose their governor in New York during the pandemic, granted for sexual harassment reasons, but we all know that the other show was gonna drop with the nursing home scandal over time.

And if they lose the governor of California, too, people start to look at this and say, “Oh, so Democrats are just bad at leadership at the state level?” There’s no way to avoid that narrative coming out in a very clear way. So this is, in a sense, their political Maginot Line and we know how that one worked out.

CLAY: Well, that’s a good historical reference there. I would say this too. It was reflective I think already even if Gavin Newsom ends up holding onto power, it’s reflective that even in California people are fed up with the restrictions. I just keep coming back to it ’cause I think it’s an important sign, a symbol of that nature to which people are fed up.

Full football stadiums, Buck, is a massive middle finger to the Fauciites. When you have 70,000 people tonight, 75,000, whatever it is, watching Tampa Bay play against Dallas, that’s a huge number of people that are saying, “We’re ready to get back to normal.” And that’s really what is terrifying to the Democrats because normalcy doesn’t allow you to continue to have all of these dictatorial powers.

And that’s why they’re so threatened by college football, by the fact that millions of college football fans went to games. And that’s why I think tonight when the NFL kicks back off with this huge crowd, there’s going to be a panic that sets in, and that panic is already starting to become apparent in California.

BUCK: When we come back, we’ll dive into this assault on Larry Elder and the media’s lack of coverage on it in just a second here. But is the stadium tonight indoor or outdoor?

CLAY: Outdoor.

BUCK: So it’s not covered. I know stadiums are huge. It’s not a —

CLAY: Yeah, yeah. So your point is a good one. This weekend there are many covered stadiums that will be 100% full.

BUCK: If it’s covered, it’s huge, but it goes to the issue of airflow, which people always underplay in these conversations. But what we’ve actually seen — and they don’t want to talk about this — is that airflow and fresh air is more powerful than any of these other measures.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Than masks, Plexiglas dividers and social distancing, all these things. Fresh air flowing in more important by the numbers than that based on —

CLAY: Which is why shutting down the beaches and the parks —

BUCK: Oh, yeah.

CLAY: — and pulling rims off of basketball hoops and taking down tennis nets, it was all — even in a mad situation — the height of madness.

BUCK: Yeah. Future generations will look back at it arrest of a lone paddleboarder at a beach off of Los Angeles for violating covid restrictions as, wow, people really lost their minds. But, Clay, let’s come back in a second here. Here’s what happened, folks.

‘Cause we’re just gonna tell you about the incident; then we’ll come back and unpack this a little bit and the media perspective or lack thereof because they’re not really covering it. Larry Elder’s in Venice. By the way, it’s really interesting. You’ve been to Venice, right, Clay?

CLAY: Venice Beach used to be phenomenal. It’s falling apart.

BUCK: It’s falling apart. It’s a mess now it used to be kind of cool, funky. You walk along the boardwalk and you’d see the weightlifters and the tattoo artists and all this stuff. And now it’s just like vagrancy everywhere, drug use, total mess.

But Larry Elder’s doing a walk to point out like this is what happens with these Democrat policies that affect homelessness, that affect drug use, crime. He gets attacked by what is believed to be a Newsom supporter wearing a gorilla mask. The attacker is wearing a gorilla mask.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: She’s wearing a —

CLAY: I think it’s a woman, yeah.

BUCK: — a gorilla mask and throws an egg and hits Larry Elder in the head, and the media’s just kind of like, “Yeah, whatever. Meh. No big deal.” Clay, can we come back and look at the way this would be treated if it were a different set of things?

CLAY: It would be an example of white supremacy.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: Larry Elder, who may well be the next governor of California, would be the first black governor of the state of California, walking in Venice Beach, which is a beautiful area of Los Angeles that has been in many ways revitalized over the last 15 years or so. For those of you who know the LA area, it had turned into a vibrant part of town that many people wanted to visit.

And now it has descended into a homeless encampment, people want out of Venice Beach, they don’t want to be living there anymore. And Larry Elder’s walking through, and a white woman in a gorilla mask throws an egg at him. This video came out right after we went off the air, a couple hours maybe yesterday, Buck. It went viral among people like us who say, “Hey, maybe it’s not a good thing for a white person dressed in a gorilla mask to be throwing eggs at a black candidate.”

BUCK: At anyone.

CLAY: At anyone, but certainly a black gubernatorial candidate in the People’s Republic of California. What is the most intriguing about this to me, Buck, is the overall silence. In fact, many of you listening to us right now may be hearing about this incident for the first time. And I don’t think there’s any doubt that if this has happened to Kamala Harris, if this had happened to Stacey Abrams, if this had happened to Cory Booker — a prominent black politician — it would have been “a sign of white supremacy.”

There would be hate crime investigations. We would know the name of the person who threw the egg and was wearing the gorilla mask within 15 minutes of it happening. They would be doxed. They would lose their jobs, they would be rabid, awful, horrible, racists. The White House would probably issue a statement about it. Just look at the response.

One of our buddies, David Rubin did a good job of this, going through and looking at all the things that were said by Democratic politicians about the fake hate crime Jussie Smollett case, and compare it with the silence that has occurred surrounding Larry Elder. This is just failure and hypocrisy.

BUCK: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The unspoken reality here, Clay, is that the Democrats, they won’t say this out loud. Democrats don’t believe that it is possible, really, to commit a hate crime against a Republican. There’s no such thing. In their minds, if you’re a Republican, you are somehow part of the apparatus of oppression.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It doesn’t matter what your gender, your gender identity, your race, your religion, it doesn’t matter if you are a conservative — and you all know this. Listen to this. Democrats believe this. Sometimes they might have to say, “Fine, fine. We’ll put a hate crime charge on this. It’s too obvious. The person was yelling, ‘I hate Republicans in there and, you know, yelling some racial epithet,'” and they’re, like, attacking a minority Republican in some violent way.

But generally speaking, the Democrats just accept, or their mentality is, “It is not possible to create a hate crime or to cause a hate crime against someone who is ideologically conservative.” This is really a tool. It is only meant as a legal and cultural issue and protection for people the left likes. That’s what actually determines whether a “hate crime” has occurred.

CLAY: There’s no doubt. Some people say, “Well, of course they’re hypocritical.” This is my argument for how you win. You don’t win by getting CNN and MSNBC and New York Times and the Washington Post to cover this legitimately. You win by getting a large segment of the population that is persuadable to have what we call a red pill moment and sit back and think, “Wait a minute.

“You’re right. This would be the lead story on CNN if this had happened to a black Democratic politician. This would be evidence of white supremacy and why it is so unsafe for minorities in America today.” This would be their gristmill fuel for the narrative they want to sell, which is America’s a horrible, awful, racist place.

BUCK: And they are going to continue to be ruthless about all this. The Los Angeles Times called Larry Elder, in an editorial, “the black face of white supremacy.” They’re going all out because if Larry… I’m not gonna… I don’t want to mislead here.

It’s not a long shot, but the odds are against him. The odds are against him. Gavin Newsom has a pretty comfortable lead in the polls. If Larry Elder wins this recall and Gavin Newsom goes? Biggest electoral shock since Trump won in 2016 in my opinion.

CLAY: I think you’re right.

BUCK: I think you make that case.

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Rufo Uncovers Insane Google CRT Training Documents

9 Sep 2021

BUCK: Clay and I wanted to dive right now with all of you into some critical race theory training that’s going on at what is, I would argue — I think Clay and I see this the same way; people could certainly debate this. What is the most powerful corporation in the world? There are only a few names that really come to mind, but I think you could certainly make a strong case…

Yeah, there’s Amazon, there’s Apple. I think Google belongs at the very top of the list. Google is a company with a market cap of almost $2 trillion right now. It determines not only what you saw when you search, but it controls a whole lot of communication, of email, of advertising dollars online. It has almost cornered the market on advertising dollars, which means that its influence in the flow of information on the internet, which is basically now the public square, is unparalleled.

Nothing really comes close when it comes to that. Plus, they own YouTube. I mean, the amount of influence Google has in thinking nationally is hard to overstate — global, actually. And Google has launched — and we have to give a big hat tip here to Christopher Rufo, who is the bane of the critical race theorist defenders’ existence, ’cause he continues to do something that they have a very hard time with, and that is to get the information out to the people to actually get the primary documents.

And Clay and I have been going through, we’ve been combing through this. This is all from a thread that Chris put out, and you can read his work at City Journal where he shows you what Google does. Here you go, “Google has launched an ‘antiracism’ initiative,” he writes “that presents speakers and materials claiming that America is a ‘system of white supremacy’ and that all Americans are ‘raised to be racist,'” including Ben Shapiro, who is depicted as a layer of the white supremacy pyramid which culminates in genocide.

Another graphic, titled “The White Supremacy Pyramid,” advances the idea that conservative commentator Ben Shapiro is a foundation of “white supremacy” and that Donald Trump is moving society on a path toward “mass murder” and “genocide.”

Clay, I know we’re gonna go through some of this piece by piece. This is ideological indoctrination at the most powerful company in the world in the most insane and toxic ideas of critical race theory. Didn’t they tell us two guys that critical race theory wasn’t really a thing that was being taught anywhere?

CLAY: Yeah. I think you raised a good question. What are the most powerful companies in the world? I think Google is the most powerful company in the world, and if you see the way that they are training their employees right now and you contemplate the incredible power of YouTube, which… Look, as wildly profitable and powerful as the Google search engine is, YouTube, for young people… If you have kids, your kids probably don’t watch traditional television anymore.

My kids have iPads. They watch YouTube. That’s where they get almost all of their news. So I would go… This is my top four. This is my Mount Rushmore right now, Buck, of most powerful companies in the world. And the reason why I want to bring it up is they’re all doing trainings like these. Listen to this; see what you think of my top four.

Google, Facebook, Apple, and Amazon, I would argue, are the four most powerful companies in the world right now. Now, there’s probably some Chinese companies that are also powerful, but in terms being able to influence the most people, I think the most powerful companies in the world are still all American based, and all of these companies have been working either covertly or in open marketplace with the Democratic Party, right?

Again, I think it’s a good thing for Ben Shapiro — who is a friend of both of ours — to be on this list ’cause I think a lot of people out there gonna look at it and say that makes it crazy. But do you think that Google and YouTube are going to fairly allow Ben Shapiro or you and me, our content to be distributed if they’re teaching all of their employees that they are white supremacists, that we are white supremacists, that America’s a fundamentally awful place with their pyramid of white supremacy?

BUCK: But this goes to how, Clay… By the way, I agree with your four companies, and I would say that there has not been a period in American history where I would argue you had companies that had as much influence on the daily lives of Americans and the future of this country since Standard Oil and Rockefeller —

CLAY: You’re right.

BUCK: — effectively more powerful than the central government, the Treasury —

CLAY: They have even more power, arguably, than the Gilded Age when all of that was happening.

BUCK: You haven’t seen anything like this in terms of their political and financial influence in America in a hundred years, for an individual company, corporate America very powerful in general. We all know that.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: But when you’re talking about what Google can do, it can change… Look, without social media… You know, we talked about covid, and I don’t want to get diverted from the critical race theory training ’cause there’s such a rich trove of insanity here thanks to Chris Rufo. It’s a whistleblower out there, by the way. It’s not like this was just out there. Someone gave this to him. But Joe Biden doesn’t win the election without Big Tech and the social media giants tipping the scale for him.

CLAY: That’s right. No doubt.

BUCK: So let’s understand, it’s not even just the financial side.

CLAY: They chose the president.

BUCK: They basically helped to pick the president of the United States, right? And I know but people are yelling, “Oh, but all the cheating.” Put that aside for a second, looking at the social media thing you can see how much influence they have, and here’s more of this… So that’s a backdrop for it’s one thing because Rufo, Clay, has pulled training from, I think it was like, you know, the city of Seattle or something like that, and we expect the local government of Seattle to be completely loony left, right?

CLAY: Yeah. Right.

BUCK: But these are companies determining whether other companies can live or die on a day-to-day basis. Their influence and vast. And you brought up their training that someone like even a very mainstream conservative commentator like Ben Shapiro is somehow on this pyramid of white supremacy —

CLAY: Along with President Trump.

BUCK: — along with President Trump, of course — that ends in genocide and mass murder.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That’s on the pyramid of white supremacy, to give you a sense… This is why, when Google employees or when Facebook employees censor something on the right and we get all upset, there’s a little bit of this, “What do you mean? We’re just protecting people from violence” or something.

“What do you mean, protecting…? I disagree on vax mandates so you’re protecting people from violence?” This is insane. It’s because of the indoctrination that occurs in the company and of course outside the company as well. But here’s just one, Ibram X. Kendi. We’ve all heard of this fellow now, very prominent critical race theorist. He, in one of the video lectures that Google is training its employees with, making its employees watch, he says, quote, “To be raised in the United States is to be raised to be racist, and to be raised to be racist is to be raised to almost be addicted to racist ideas,” end quote. A completely insane thing to say.

CLAY: Yes. It’s totally insane to say, and look, if you are looking at evidence, I’m not sure there has ever been a less-racist country in the history of the world than the United States. Are we perfect? No. But name me any other country in the history of the world where people like this lunatic can get paid and get fabulously wealthy by saying how awful America is.

I’m not sure there’s any country that’s ever existed where there is so much freedom that you are able to make yourself fabulously wealthy by talking about how awful America is. These corporations are paying these guys tens of thousands of dollars to come in and lecture their employees about things that are fundamentally untrue.

BUCK: I think that there has been… This is true of all propaganda, something I know of from the work I did in intelligence and the history of intelligence studies and how the KGB and how various foreign governments — and also some allied governments — do propaganda and have really in the last hundred years when there’s been mass media.

If you just keep the repetition going, Clay, it does seep in. It’s like advertising, right? Repetition is key to rewiring the way people think about things. So while it may have started out with a lot of this work as being a kind of woke insurance, right? “Oh, we’re not racist at this company! We paid so-and-so to come in and tell us…”

CLAY: We got white CEOs who are worried and so it’s like… It’s like a racket, right?

BUCK: I think the change has been in the last four or five years — and, yes, with the rise of Trump as well; this coincided with it — now you have true believers, not just in the H.R. department and the diversity and inclusion department, but as the senior officers of these companies.

The CEOs, the people who are actually calling the shots in a lot of major corporations, they believe this stuff. And, Clay, I just want to note, they have a ready built excuse for why you and you don’t believe it. This is from Rufo’s thread again, Christopher Rufo at City Journal: “Denial of racism is proof that a person is racist,” just so you know.

CLAY: (laughing) There’s literally nothing you can say — and this is basically the foundation of the Democratic now — everything is racist.

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Ignorant Woke Leftists Remove Robert E. Lee Statue in Richmond

9 Sep 2021

CLAY: They pulled down the statue of Robert E. Lee in Richmond yesterday. It had been there since 1890, so a hundred — if my math is right — over 130 years that statue had been in that location in Downtown Richmond. I don’t know where that statue’s gonna be relocated, but they used to have a Monument Avenue and they had all these different Confederate generals, and they pulled all these statues down.

Robert E. Lee was the last one. So we talked about this before, Buck. I am a Civil War history nerd. I actually went to Civil War sleep-away camp in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. So I have spent an inordinate amount of hours in my life reading all about the Civil War, and only in the last, I would say, five or six years has this massive argument to tear down all of these Civil War monuments and memorials really taken root, and it’s madness.

It’s absolute madness. It is Taliban-like in terms of its censoring and removal of history of something upset you. I’ve talked about this at my alma mater. They paid millions of dollars, Buck, to sandblast the word Confederate off of Confederate Memorial Hall which was built by, you know, the Daughters of the Confederacy, they gave the money through it to be built. Now it’s just Memorial Hall.

But wherever you live… I think this is important, and I think a lot of people need a history lesson and this not gonna surprise people that we have a real woeful lack of knowledge about history, in particular American history, in this country. Whatever state you lived in in 1860 or 1861, 99%, that was the side that you ended up fighting on.

So this idea that there were people making choices on whether they were in the North or the South and where they were gonna fight based on larger societal issues, if your state seceded, you fought to the South because that’s where you lived, and people really didn’t leave their states. They were like countries, and that’s how you ended up.

Your allegiance was a geographic reality, not some sort of good-versus-evil, modern-day Civil War Disneyfied fairy tale which is what so many people want to believe. So, this idea that by tearing down statues we’re making America in any way better? This is where Trump was right in a big way, because he said, “It doesn’t end here.”

BUCK: Oh, my gosh, Clay. I live a close walk to Columbus Circle here in New York City, and as of… I haven’t walked by it maybe in a couple of weeks now. But as of a couple of weeks ago, there is still a big metal barrier, barricade fence around Columbus Circle, and there are NYPD units. Sometimes they’re in substantial numbers.

I’ve seen as many as over a hundred officers there when it’s near Columbus Day, but there are people who have to be there on constant watch because there’s a real fear that the Antifa, lunatic left is going to come in and deface and maybe even destroy and topple this statue of Christopher Columbus in Columbus Circle in New York.

Remember, it started… It always happens this way, too. It started out with the Confederate monuments back in June-July of 2020. That’s when all of this got going. There was someone shot at a statue of Juan de Onate, I believe it was, in New Mexico, who was a Spanish conquistador that — let’s be honest — one in a thousand people max in this country know who Juan de Onate is.

CLAY: Too high.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: I have no idea. Yeah.

BUCK: But they’re always, you know, “It’s a genocide, conquistador,” all this. They were going after Father Junipero Serra.

CLAY: They tore down a statue of Abraham Lincoln in Illinois, the land of Lincoln. They tore down statues of Ulysses Grant. They tore down statues of George Washington. They were gonna go after Andrew Jackson, if the president hadn’t been able to try to defend the Andrew Jackson statue in Lafayette Park.

BUCK: “Protesters ripped down…” This was from the Sacramento Bee. “Protesters ripped down a statue of Junipero Serra.” There’s Juan de Onate and Junipero Serra. He was “a missionary who established Spanish missions in California.” Clay, being a missionary at that point in time was imperialism and white supremacy and therefore they have to tear down that statue, too.

So priests! I mean, they actually tore down at one point a statue of Gandhi in the U.K. I mean, they went for everything. They were tearing down statues of abolitionists in some places ’cause they just… I think that was actually they just didn’t know. They thought, “Oh, it looks like a guy from the Civil War!”

CLAY: Yeah, yeah, right.

BUCK: Here was a guy fighting to end slavery, but, anyway, they don’t care.

CLAY: Well, Lincoln and Grant kind of had something to do with the North winning the Civil War and their statues got torn down as well. I looked at the pictures. I was actually curious as they took down the statue. Who do you think was standing around the statue celebrating?

BUCK: I know they were chanting. There was a BLM chant as the statue came down.

CLAY: Yeah, mostly white people showing up at the Robert E. Lee statue to cheer the fact that it was being torn down. And this is like the white liberal who has bought into the idea that they are the savior, right, the white liberator. To me it is a fundamental failure of American history.

And, by the way, Ralph Northam, Mr. Blackface himself, also said, “Oh, it’s finally time to tear down these insurrectionists,” trying to connect it to January 6th, of course, and when we come back, Buck, you have got a list of this ridiculous —

BUCK: Oh, it’s amazing. The woke time capsule, folks, that’s going into the statue for a future generation to open.

CLAY: I haven’t heard this so you’re gonna share this we me live. I can’t wait.

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BUCK: I remember when I was a kid and I went to Catholic school here in New York, and when we were really little like first grade, kindergarten, there was a jelly been a jar and we played a game where you had to guess how many jellybeans — and if you got close enough to the number, you’d get the whole thing in jellybeans.

CLAY: Oh, yeah, yeah.

BUCK: I could tell you right now, I had one teacher who used to throw Starbursts to you if you could get random bits of sports trivia, usually baseball.

CLAY: How’d you do?

BUCK: I didn’t need the candy, fortunately, because I did not do well but other kids were like, “Joe DiMaggio!”

CLAY: Have you, by the way…? Speaking of the candy toss and also time capsule, have you ever participated in time capsule yourself? When I was in first grade, we did a time capsule in my elementary. I don’t know whether they’re actually gonna pull it.

BUCK: What happened?

CLAY: I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know why they did it. I don’t really remember any of the details. I remember we put something in there, and I still remember, like, the time capsule being, you know, put somewhere underneath the school. But I don’t know when they’re actually gonna pull it out. I remember thinking that I would be alive when it happened, but I’m not sure what’s actually in there.

BUCK: We have a photo of you that went up on ClayandBuck.com. Was that your high school graduation photo?

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: You had that sort of long, behind-the-ears hair of the guy playing bass from Stone Temple Pilots or like Sound Garden or something.

CLAY: I looked a little bit like Gavin Rossdale if you remember him from Bush. Remember Bush.

BUCK: Oh, oh, oh! The super handsome lead singer on Bush. Look at this!

CLAY: I’m saying my hair looked like him.

BUCK: — married to Gwen Stefani, that guy? I like the PR. That was very smooth. (laughing) Pretty solid.

CLAY: It was a good look on the hair.

BUCK: So, back to the time capsule now. Now, we’ve told you more than you ever need to know about our grammar school days. What’s going into this time capsule at the pedestal? Just so you know, in 1877 the put a time capsule in the 40-foot concrete pedestal that was at Robert E. Lee monument that has been replaced, and now they filled it with new artifacts, and it’s gonna go…

I forget where it is. I’ll tell you in a second. But what have they put in it? A BLM sticker, an expired covid vaccine vile, a photo of a “Stop Asian Hate” protest, and a Virginia Is for For Lovers badge. Now, the one to me that’s the most… The Stop Asian Hate protest, that whole thing lasted by two weeks because people would see the photo of the individual or the video of who had attacked the Asian or Asian-American individual, and it was very hard to make the case that it was a white supremacist Trump supporter. So that went away.

CLAY: It was always almost exclusively — all these things that went viral for very short period of time — black guys beating up Asian people. And, by the way, the Babylon Bee had a great headline. Do you remember seeing this headline?

BUCK: They have a lot of great headlines. They do a really fantastic job.

CLAY: Yeah. It’s a great brand, great website. But they had Asian Lives Matter. They had, you know, Hispanic Lives Matter. And Black Lives Matter. And the headline was — and I’m paraphrasing — you know, an Asian Lives Matter sign, makes it suspiciously close to All Lives Matter. Right?

Which is actually really funny because All Lives Matter we were told is racist, right? If you say, “Hey, everybody matters. All Lives Matter,” oh, it’s, “How dare you!” In fact, that’s on I think the white supremacy pyramid we were talking about earlier that Google was training its people. If you say All Lives Matter, that’s white supremacy.

BUCK: Yeah, if you look at web… We should go back to some more of that.

CLAY: The pyramid?

BUCK: You remember all of the Google critical race theory training?

CLAY: Columbus Day is also white supremacy.

BUCK: That’s not new. That’s not. They’ve been saying that. Columbus as a purveyor of genocide and indigenous enslavement has been around now for years. They hate Christopher Columbus. But as we all know, one of the problems is if we’re gonna start pulling down monuments… We didn’t even get to this before and we have this time capsule here.

The left only forestalls the argument about how can we have Washington, D.C., named for George Washington? How can we have the Jefferson Memorial? How can we have any of these things of the American founding if we’re going to not only judge by the standards of wokeness today but also to take action and erase, whitewash different aspects of our history, whatever it may be.

How can we create this stop of the iconoclasm, right? And the answer is that they just aren’t there yet. It’s kind of like we’re gonna get you all to get the shot and then the booster shot’s gonna come in six months. We all know that’s gonna happen, but they just don’t want to make the case yet.

CLAY: Well, it’s also interesting when they apply their own woke standards. You know, Martin Luther King, who has a memorial as well, said that being gay was a mental illness, like you should get treatment if you were gay. That was not a wildly outlandish opinion for somebody to have in the 1950s, right?

But by the standards of modern woke culture, Martin Luther King should be canceled for his opinion in the 1950s that being gay was a mental illness. That’s an unacceptable opinion to have today, and so if you apply — which is the problem here. If you apply twenty-first century standards for behavior to people who lived hundreds of years ago or even 50 years ago, they don’t live up to it.

And the real irony here is, as anyone who has ever studied history knows, the same people judging today — the uber-woke among us — are going to be found lacking hundreds of years from now for somethings that we are doing that they have decided are inappropriate in 200 years.

BUCK: Oh, I think you can dramatically accelerate that timetable because the super-woke part of is that there’s, like, an ideology cannibalism at the heart of this.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They eat each other as part of the proof of how woke they are.

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BUCK: This series of emails from the National Education Association, NEA. Is it the biggest or the second biggest teachers union?

CLAY: I think they’re the biggest.

BUCK: I think they’re the biggest and American Federation of Teachers might be number two. But, anyway, it’s a huge teachers union and really teachers unions are just Democrat super PACs that hold your kids hostage to get Democrat politicians elected. That’s actually what the function of a teachers union is at the national level.

And they’re even able to go toe-to-toe with the White House, and here this was published on FoxNews.com. “The CDC changed their mask guidance in schools in response to the NEA,” the teachers union, “sending a draft statement to the White House saying that they were going to publicly, harshly criticize them,” and our so-called health experts in the CDC, Clay, bent the knee and begged forgiveness from the filthy, underhanded teachers union commissars right away.

CLAY: How embarrassing is this? Again, I know the hypocrisy doesn’t surprise a lot of you who listen to us every day, ’cause we try to bring you the facts every day. But for the Biden White House to claim that all they care about is “the science” and they’re gonna follow the science and they believe in science…

Remember that was all the stuff that Biden said when he was running his campaign — and then all it takes is the NEA, the teachers association, to say, “Hey, we’re gonna call you out.” And they immediately abandon the science. It’s absolutely embarrassing.

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BUCK: When Democrats come in, they will demand that there is a mass firing of U.S. attorneys. When a new Democrat administration comes in, they’ll fire whoever they want to fire to make sure their people are in place. Republicans… There will always be some Republicans saying (sniveling), “Oh, no, that’s not the way we should do it. We don’t fight dirty like they fight dirty.”

Well, that doesn’t necessarily lead to the outcomes we want. I give you a situation here where they’re throwing punches, and while it’s gross, I say, “Just remind yourself, folks: When they have the power, this is how they play the game.” You have “Trump loyalists” who are being…

Now, that’s the way it’s being described at NPR, people who were associated with the Trump administration, many of whom have long-standing service to the nation apart from the Trump administration. This White House, the Biden White House, sent letters to 18 people named to the boards of visitors for the Air Force Academy, Military Academy, Naval Academy saying, “You will resign by the end of business Wednesday or be terminated.”

This is according to the Associated Press. Donald Trump made these appointments during his final months in office. Here is, for example, a moment in time where you see, Clay, they have no problem — they have no problem — with playing rough. Here’s Jen Psaki straight up defending this.

PSAKI: The president’s objective is what any president’s objective is: is — was to ensure, uhh, you have nominees and people serving on these boards who are qualified to serve on them and who are aligned, uhh, with your values. Uhh, I — I will let others evaluate whether they think Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer and others were qualified or not political, uh, to serve on these boards.

BUCK: What do you make of all this, Clay? I just see this as Democrats are like, “You know what? We want to bust out the steamroller. That’s what we do.”

CLAY: Yeah. I think there’s a big truth to that. Some of the statements that were made… I mean, you can focus on, as Jen Psaki did, those individuals and say, “Oh, they were hyperpolitical,” for lack all of better word, “they deserved it.” But the statement that I thought Meaghan Mobbs made… I don’t know if you read this, but she put out a statement when this all happened that said, “While the appreciate the notification, I won’t be resigning.

“I find the whole act unconscionable and not in the spirit of which this administration promised to govern.” This is really well said by her. “President Biden ran on a supposed platform of ‘unity,’ but his actions speak directly to the contrary. Apparently, ‘unity’ is only for those who conform. When I joined the board under the Trump administration, there were holdovers from the Obama administration.

“They were not terminated but instead served alongside Trump appointees. This mix of perspective, experience, and belief services ensured there was diversity, a value the Democratic Party purports to hold above all else. As the youngest appointee, a woman, and a veteran of Afghanistan, it’s been a great honor to serve on the Board of Visitors at the United States Military Academy, my alma mater.

“It’s tragic this great institution is now being subjected to and hijacked by partisan action that serves no purpose and no greater good.” Props to Meaghan Mobbs, who shared that yesterday when all of this craziness started to come down.

BUCK: Sean Spicer also fired back.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: He said that he has served under five presidents of both parties and that politics never entered into his service. Sean’s a veteran. There’s also H. R. McMaster, longtime veteran, very senior guy in the military. So there were people, Clay, who have had a history of bipartisan service. They’re all just being tossed out — and look, is this making a huge different to the future of the country?

No. But it just goes to show you, in my sense, two take-aways. One, there’s nothing that is too petty for the Democrats, and, two, when they have the power, they use the power. Our side always wrings its hands and goes (mewling), “I — I don’t know, MSNBC will say mean things about us.”

CLAY: Final line here from Meaghan Mobbs: “We have three watchwords at West Point: ‘Duty, honor, country.’ Today, the Biden administration violated them all.”

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CLAY: Howard Stern is a radio legend and certainly Buck Sexton and I know having taken over for a radio legend about how much talent you have to have over decades in order to build up a big audience. But is now 67 years old, and he made his name for himself by being wildly anti-convention, by being willing to say and do outrageous things to point out the hypocrisies that exist in our society.

And there were many people who appreciated the fact that he was outlandish, that he was a crusader for First Amendment freedoms. And certainly, that is my experience with audience. But over time, that is what I respected about him. But now that he’s in his sixties — and maybe this will happen to us one day, Buck, when we’re older and we’ve been doing this for a lot longer than we have now.

But he has turned into The Man. It’s really kind of crazy, Buck. I listened to the show every now and then because my wife had enjoyed listening to it. But he’s really lost his mind during covid. And he has become Dr. Fauci-like in his covid fear porn sharing, in his constant hiding in his basement — I guess it’s a penthouse — that he has somewhere in New York City.

He’s become the exact opposite of a revolutionary. He has become the Man, and there’s a particular level… We talked about this earlier this week, Buck, with Joe Rogan. there’s a particular type of left winger now, a person who not only is constantly morally righteous and hectoring and lecturing you over their choices, but also wanting other people who don’t make those same choices to die.

This is really where we are and exulting when someone dies. And this is… I want to play this clip, Buck. You get this feeling, right, I mean, that this is very commonplace; but most people are not being as explicit in rooting for people who don’t get the vaccine to die as Howard Stern was. This was on his show I believe yesterday. Let’s play cut 1.

STERN: It’s really funny when these radio… The radio guys are the best, like four of them died, four of them who were, like, ranting on the air they will not get vaccinated. They were on fire, these guys, for it was like day after day, they were all dying (laughing), and then their dying words are, I wish I had been more into the vaccine. I wish I had taken it. And they’re on the radio preaching this (bleep).

I tell you what, as far as I remember, when I went to school you had to get a measles vaccine, you had to get a mumps vaccine, you had to get… It was a ton of ’em you got. When we gonna stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say you now, “It’s mandatory to get vaccinated.” (Bleep) (bleep) their freedom. I want my freedom to live.

BUCK: Unbelievable, Clay, but this is what’s happening now across the country. You have people who are… Look, Howard Stern is an elite. The guy makes something like $100 million a year to do radio, which is pretty astonishing as a figure. And he is someone who has gotten used to being able to not only say what he wants but also have a certain kind of influence.

And maybe he’s forgotten that there are a lot of people out there for whom there are not big platforms and voices that will make the case for them. But even beyond that, that anybody would celebrate the death of a fellow human being, never mind a fellow radio host, because they disagree with the decision that they made about their health? People do foolish things all the time. By the way? And, by the way, I’m not even saying that vaccine opposition is foolish, but I’m just saying there are things that are clearly bad decisions that result in people losing their lives —

CLAY: Smoking, alcohol, alcoholism.

BUCK: All kinds of things.

CLAY: We could run through obesity.

BUCK: You know when someone —

CLAY: So many things that aid death.

BUCK: When someone died in a drunk driving accident — and they’re the driver, right, they’re the drunk person — yeah, that’s terrible; it’s a tragedy. You don’t celebrate these things unless there’s something morally rotten, unless there’s something truly wrong with you. But this has become… You know, you see this with covid. You see this with Stern saying this stuff.

The number of people that will — and I’m talking about people with platforms and followings. I’m not talking about random people. Of course, there’s random, horrible bile all over the internet. People that have supposedly an obligation to be better on the left who will celebrate the assault on Rand Paul, for example, where he, I believe, lost a piece of his lung, was in horrible pain, because he had a neighbor who hated him.

And the people who say this, they don’t like Rand Paul’s politics; so him almost being beaten to death on his front lawn. Rand Paul is a father, a husband, as well as a U.S. senator. There are blue check journos who think this is funny. I mean, Clay, right now with your Twitter account, if you just said, “Man, I’m glad Rand Paul made it through, and we’re happy to have him on”?

If you went through the comments, you’d probably see some people saying, “Oh, that was so funny what happened to him.” There are even people that are a little more circumspect about this who try to downplay the assault on — the attempted mass murder of — American congressmen, conservative members of Congress at that baseball field in Alexandria.

‘Cause they say, “Oh, well, this is what happens when you oppose policies to give people health care.” This stuff exists on the left in a way that I think people are uncomfortable the more they think about it because not only is it grotesque, it just exists; it’s allowed to continue on.

CLAY: Yeah. And what’s interesting about this to me from the Stern perspective is, let’s say somebody was driving drunk, right? Would you celebrate if they died while they were driving drunk and be like, “I’m so glad that drunk driver died! I’m glad they hit a telephone pole. Serves them right for driving drunk. Ha-ha. Look at those idiots.

“They thought they could get behind the wheel after having a drink, too many drinks, and now they’re dead, and I’m happy about it. I’m gonna be gleeful about it.” No. I mean, that’s really strange behavior. And what we’ve created — and Stern just said it explicitly, because there’s a lot of people out there that have been cheering anytime somebody gets sick. Look, the reality, Buck, is we’ve both had covid.

BUCK: Did people ask you, Clay, as if you did something wrong? People ask me. Random people would be like, “Hey, what’d you do? Did you go to some anti-mask, anti-Fauci party and make out with a bunch of strangers? Why’d you get covid?” I’m like, I just was living my life and got covid.

CLAY: What I would point out here is — and I would love to hear somebody like Howard Stern try to discuss this. It reminds me of… You remember Eddie Murphy? It’s either Raw or one of the first ones he did where he had all of the anti-AIDS jokes about gay people. Look, Eddie Murphy’s stand-up back in the day, the 1980s stuff was phenomenal, but that didn’t age well, right?

Because the idea was, “Oh, ha-ha! Look at you! You got AIDS because you’re gay! You got AIDS because you were using intravenous drugs with other people,” and there was this argument, “Hey, maybe you deserved it,” right? Do you remember that?

If you’re old enough to remember when AIDS and HIV running rampant much through the gay community, but also a lot of discussions for heterosexuals getting if you didn’t practice “safe sex” when I was a kid growing up we felt like we had an HIV/AIDS assembly every week where they’re like, “If you have sex, basically you’re gonna die.”

BUCK: I remember watching Beverly Hills 90210 and the whole episode was about some young high school girl who was saying that she got HIV from her boyfriend.

CLAY: Everywhere.

BUCK: This was a thing a story that you would hear.

CLAY: And there was an underpinning early on of anti-AIDS morality, right? Where, hey, if you got this virus you deserved it because of the choices you were making. And in retrospect, as AIDS spread and HIV became more and more of a disease and we understood it better, the idea that you would what I call blame the victim, the victim of this virus became a very foreign thing to do.

It seems to me — and I would love the Howard Sterns of the world who are making this argument to reflect upon this — if they had said and if they were saying the same thing about HIV and AIDS victims, basically they deserve it, years later/decades later, you realized how bad that sounded and how bad you looked for saying it.

And since there’s this obsession with being on the right side of history now, Buck, how is this not the exact same thing with covid when you’re cheering and celebrating people who get a virus that they didn’t choose to get, partly because of choices that they may have made in their life and say, “Hey, this is divine retribution for the choices that you’re making.”

It’s a really poor position as it ages, and I think that’s what’s gonna happen here, and I would think that people like Stern — who fancy themselves to be rebellious, thoughtful, and we thought thinkers — would look at this and say, “Man, I’m now making the same bachelor of arts covid that people made about HIV in — I don’t know — 1984, 1986, and 1988, and that’s gonna look really bad in 20 years.”

Maybe I don’t care, but it’s something that I would love to hear an analysis of from an intelligent, thoughtful perspective. I don’t know we’ll ever get it, but it’s worth contemplating.

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