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Why Clay Refuses to Let Woke Idiots Take Away Sports

13 Sep 2021

BUCK: Jonathan in Tennessee. What do you got for us, Jonathan?

CALLER: Clay, hey, this is gonna be kind of like Kristi Noem’s interview. Hey, it’s conservative-on-conservative fire. But look, Clay, this is not because I’m from Memphis, but why are you praising the Titans — or talking about the Titans, not saying you’re praising them — when they have gone full-on woke? They’ve gone full-on woke! I have denounced the NFL, the NBA. I won’t say the MLB all the way, but how do you get…? I mean, for real, how can you talk about the Titans when they have their own national anthem?

CLAY: Well, they didn’t play the black national anthem, which we’ll talk about in the third hour. I think we got a clip from Bill Maher. I believe that if you like something, you don’t allow them to take it from you without fighting. Right? I understand some people are like, “I’m just going to turn off the television.”

First of all, I run a sports media company; so I’m going to talk about sports as part of my career. But even more so, I think if you allowed the woke idiots to win without opposition, then you are giving away a big part of our country.

So I’m not going to give up my interest and like for sports because I think some of the leaders of those sports are making ridiculous decisions. I understand some people disagree, but that’s my perspective. I want to fight, and I want to win and bring sports back to everybody.

BUCK: Jonathan, hey, appreciate it, man. Thank you for calling in.

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House Democrats Propose Historically Massive Tax Hike

13 Sep 2021

CLAY: The House of Representatives has finalized some of their detailed tax codes, and I gotta hit you with this, Buck, ’cause you’re a New Yorker. The headline at CNBC right now: “Top earning New Yorkers could face 61.2% combined tax rate under House plan, Californians may face 59% rate.” Californians would face a 59% rate.

These, obviously, are adding up the state and local taxes. Your federal income tax, city, state, federal combined are up to 61.2%. Buck, when you… In New York City, the combined top marginal state and city tax rates are 14.8%. So New York City taxpayers who were the highest earning could face a 61.2% tax rate, and I gotta be honest with you.

I don’t know if you are a top-earning New Yorker now. Why would you stay in the city? If you’re a top-earning the Californian, why would you stay in the city or state out in California? I think a lot of people are just throwing up their hands and saying, “I’m moving. The tax rates have just become too onerous.”

BUCK: Well, the data shows that. You actually can see who’s gaining people, who’s losing people as states right now. And there is not some blue stronghold. We think of New York, California, Massachusetts, Illinois. None of these states are people clamoring to come to them who are already in America. There are…

What’s interesting is there are substantial immigrant inflows — including, by the way, legal immigrants — in places like New York. People often forget. California as a state has the most illegal immigrants in the country. But New York City as a city, unsurprisingly, has the greatest concentration of illegal aliens in one place.

Clay, this is exactly what people have been saying would happen but Democrats seem to not really care. But I think that the problem that they’re gonna face now is that New York — just to speak as a New Yorker — used to be a place where if you wanted a certain kind of job at a certain level, if you wanted opportunities in media, if you wanted opportunities in finance?

If you’re gonna work at one of the biggest advertising companies in the world? You had to actually be in New York for it. Yeah, they had offices elsewhere, but usually had to start out here, right? You want to be a Goldman Sachs banker bro? You gotta start out in New York City. Same thing founded in Hollywood. You actually were in L.A. and passing your screenplay around to people, all that the kind of stuff. That whole world has changed.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And we’ve seen it change more rapidly because of covid than in any other time in memory where now you have, yeah, some people are remote working, some people are not. There’s a lot of companies that are still figuring out what the mix is gonna be. But we ran a 12-month “Can you work remote?” test for a lot of people who are particularly high earners, and the answer was “yes.”

And in that environment… Now, remember some companies may say, “You have to come back to the office.” People say, “Well, okay. Maybe I’ll go for that slightly lesser known or that startup or that mid-tier, midrange company that does the same work and I have the same skill set.” I’m seeing this happen with people that I know, friends of mine who are saying, “I’m heading to Florida; I’m heading to Texas.”

A friend of mine just yesterday tweeted out that she was looking for houses in Texas, a lifelong New Yorker like me. Clay, at some point the value proposition swings too far in the other direction. When you have no SALT deduction, either and you start to do the numbers on this — you look at what it costs to have a house, you look at what it costs in taxes — you just say, Why?

“What am I getting for being here in some blue enclave where the crime is rising, the streets are dirty, the taxes are too high?” I have been my whole life a New York super fan – -super defender, even. I lived here when things were really crappy. I grew up here when the things were really happy in the nineties.

I saw the miracle of Giulianiism and the city becoming so safe that it felt like Disneyland. You’re walking around here and real estate prices are skyrocketing, restaurants are amazing, all that stuff. But now it’s going the other direction, Clay, and it’s not just New York. It’s San Francisco; it’s Los Angeles; it’s Chicago. It’s happening all over the place.

CLAY: You can’t find a house in Nashville. You just can’t. My neighborhood, the minute that the houses go on the market, they are selling for far in excess of what they’re even listed for. And most of the people that are moving here, Buck, are coming from California, they’re coming from New York, and they’re coming from the Chicago area.

They are fleeing high tax areas to come here. We have no state income tax in Tennessee — no state income tax in Florida, no state income tax in Texas — and you start to do the math on how much you can save. We talked about California and New York. New Jersey would have a 57.2% top tax rate. Hawaii, a 57.4% top tax rate.

This is under Democrats’ proposed plans. Now, ironically, the guy who may be saving some of these blue enclaves is a West Virginia Democratic senator, Joe Manchin, who has just said, “Hey, these tax increases, these budgets, the $3.5 trillion Bernie bill, it’s out of control.” Here’s what Joe Manchin said. Play cut 20.

MANCHIN: You will not have my vote on 3.5, and Chuck knows that, and we’ve talked about this. We’ve already put out $5.4 trillion and we tried to help Americans in every way we possibly can and a lot of the help that we’ve put out there and sill there and it’s gonna run clear until next year, 2022. What’s the urgency? What’s the urgency that we have?

CLAY: It’s not the same urgency we have with American Rescue Plan. We got that out the door quickly. That was about $2 trillion, and after that, all the things we felt with the care packages everything leading up to that so we have done an awful lot and there’s still an awful lot of people that need help but you have 11 million jobs that aren’t filled right now, eight million people are still unemployed. Something’s not matching up. Don’t you think we ought to hit the pause and find out?

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: Pretty reasonable.

BUCK: Yeah. Clay, it’s amazing to be the reasonable voice in the room when you’re the guy who says, “We’ve already spent $6 trillion. Let’s maybe do $1.5 trillion in addition to the $6 trillion, not $3.5 trillion more.” Look at how many global economies even have a GDP of $3 trillion. You start to look at these numbers to put it all in perspective. And I worry, Clay… I give credit to this to Naval Ravikant, who is a Silicon Valley guy who just a really interesting thinker. We should have him on the show at some point.

CLAY: I’m sold already.

BUCK: He’s a really interesting guy. I think he was the founder of AngelList. But he’s a contrarian but a precise thinker. And he tweeted something out about how, yeah, the thing about inflation is that before it gets really painful and ugly, the stock market goes up, employment often starts to really go up, assets go up in value that you own. But then the foundation beneath all this starts to crumble, and then you have people realizing, “Oh, my dollars are worth less, my dollars are worth less,” and things get a whole lot less fun on the economic front.

CLAY: Yeah, and that’s the thing that frustrates me the most as a guy who built and sold a small business and still is hiring a lot of people. There is a fantastical disassociation in the Democratic Party — Modern Monetary Theory is what it’s called — between economic reality and business practices that have worked for hundreds of years in capitalistic economies. It’s like we’re pretending, Buck, those truths and those verities and those realities don’t exist anymore, and it’s leading us to absolute chaos, I really am afraid.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: Buck, we were just talking about inflation a bit in the last hour. The New York Fed has now come out and said that their inflation targets are 5.2% this year — 5.2% now, this is the New York Federal Reserve — and 4% over the next three years with large expected price rises in food, rent, and medical costs. Poor people are thinking, “Oh, we’re getting these tax refunds, these tax checks, everything else.”

They’re immediately getting eaten up by inflation, which acts as a default tax increase on everyone but impacts the poor (who have the least financial ability) the most. This is Jimmy Carter 2.0. Again, Federal Reserve: 5.2% inflation in one year, 4% in three years.

That is the highest level of inflation that many of us have seen in our lives, those of us who were born either at the tail end or after the Carter administration. I know a lot of people out there listening to us remember that. But there’s where we are. This is where Joe Biden’s economic policies led us.

BUCK: It’s not just wages.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It’s not just the food in the store. It’s also going to affect… This is what happens, folks. You print money; this is cause and effect, right?

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: We can all see it. We all know this is a function of data. Clay likes “the data.” This is a function of “the math.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: What ends up happening is you have an increase in home prices. That home you want to buy or maybe that place you want to rent, even, is gonna get more expensive. But also, your investments. I mean, if you live off of an annuity, for example, of some kind — if you’re somebody that’s in some kind of a defined pension plan — understand that if you think you’re making…

You see that percentage, and a lot of these programs and 401(k)s and things like that, you have built into it, “Oh, it’s going to be X percent a year.” Well, you start losing 5% a year to inflation, the money you’re putting into a savings account that you think you’re getting, it’s less than 1%, right? It’s point something-something percent.

You’re actually going negative 5% a year. So you’re working your butt off, you’re putting your money away, you’re thinking, “I’m doing things for the right way,” and Uncle Sam is actually like the squirrels in your attic getting into your stuff, just eating away 5% a year at what you’re working hard to save. That’s the reality of the Democrat spending right now.

CLAY: Yeah, and there are so many elderly people in particular living on fixed incomes that don’t have the flexibility based on their current life situation to be putting the money into riskier endeavors. And, by the way, this is also a little bit scary about the stock market in general because one reason there’s so much money in the stock market is because a lot of people are looking around at the inflation rate and saying, “Where else can I put it without losing money?”

BUCK: Yeah, they’re chasing yield, and when everyone chases yield, what ends up happening? You create what would be known in financial parlance as a bubble.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And when that bubble bursts, then people get hurt. Then the unemployment rate skyrockets. Then people lose half or more of their life savings and it’s just… This is the financial engineering that Democrats are engaged in right now, it’s really just failed socialism. They’re just trying to move money around, pay off the constituencies that they like, take more from the productive class, give more to the less productive.

While also always exempting, Clay, the actual elites, right, the people who have it. Nancy Pelosi doesn’t care what the tax rate is ’cause she’s worth $50 million or whatever it is. She’d care about a wealth tax, though, which is why you’ll never actually see that happen. But I worry that with the media on the side of the Democrats, class warfare, as much as it is rooted in fallacy, it is effective politics. And Democrats know that.

CLAY: Yeah. And the question is, are the Joe Manchins of the world, the Kyrsten Sinemas, going to be able to exert control in the Senate? And then — and I think even more nerve-rackingly because at least in the Senate you got six-year terms and a lot of these people can hope that the story and the disdain and the comfort over this decision fades. In the House, where Nancy Pelosi is up against it, there are a lot of moderate Democrats — seven of them I believe in districts that Trump won — who are in severe danger.

And we’ll see whether or not they have the testicular fortitude to stand up and actually oppose this situation. I’m not sure that they do. They may end up buckling. But this is gonna be a fascinating battle. And right now, a lot of it’s going under the radar.

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13 Sep 2021

CLAY: I think that we have reached a real sort of, I would say, significant turning point in the nation as a whole. And what I would say is you have — and I’m among them every single week. I want to say in Fayetteville, I met a ton of listeners who were there for the Texas-Arkansas game. Incredible experience.

I’m gonna be, by the way, in Gainesville, Florida, this weekend for the Alabama game against Florida. In a couple of weeks, Buck is gonna be with me for his first-ever college football game. We’re going down to Tuscaloosa for the Ole Miss-Alabama game which looks like it’s gonna be incredible. But then also, in addition to being in Texas-Arkansas I flew back.

My 10-year-old is about to turn 11 on Wednesday, and what he wanted to do was go to an NFL game — the local team, the Tennessee Titans here — with his 10-year-old, 11-year-old buddies. So I took a big group of kids to that football game. And I’ve been to a bunch of college football games. I’ve now been to an NFL stadium.

The crowd began as the flyover was occurring and as they honored September 11th victims — this was obviously on September 12th — the crowd spontaneously began to chant, “U! S! A! U! S! A!” I tweeted out that video. You can go check it out. What I am seeing all over this country with college football fans and with NFL fans is, they’re showing up selling out their stadiums, not wearing masks, living a hundred percent their normal life.

Tailgating with friends, hugging, high-fiving, celebrating. Sometimes your team plays poorly. Reacting in the same way that you would before. I can’t get over the credible dichotomy between the way the blue check losers in the Joe Biden administration and their anti-science advisers behave, demanding that we have a vaccine mandate, and the way what I would say real Americans across the landscape are actually behaving.

Buck, I’m curious, ’cause you went to the U.S. Open for the tennis final, and they made a big deal about how they’re gonna require vaccine passports to enter and everything else. Virtually nowhere in football are they requiring them. But what was your experience going through to get into that arena to watch that event?

BUCK: So I love going to the U.S. Open. It’s one of the only sporting events that I make a real effort for, that I’ve made a real effort in the past to go to. I’ve been going since I was a kid. I mean, I used to go to NBA games too and the occasional Giants and Jets game, but that feels like eons ago now. But I’m going to the final between Medvedev, the Russian, and Novak Djokovic, a Serb.

Who is arguably, if he wins one more major — the U.S. Open, Wimbledon, French Open, Australian Open — the greatest tennis player of all time, at least by major wins, which is usually how people judge it. And I show up there — and just spoiler alert in case you didn’t see it (which I’m sure anybody who cares about tennis did), Djokovic got spanked. I mean, it was bad.

He had a tough time, three-set loss on center court. But as we’re going in, Clay, they’re yelling, “You must have your vaccine passport visible and your ID in your hand! You must!” They’re yelling this, and if you’ve never been there, there’s this big walkway with thousands and thousands of people just funneled toward the main grounds and then Arthur Ashe Stadium.

After they’re yelling at the top of their lungs, the people yelling this — as you’re getting closer — then they had someone to just wave and give the, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.” I am not kidding. I could have held up a soiled napkin. I could have had in my hands —

CLAY: And they would have waved you through, yeah.

BUCK: — a piece of junk mail saying I just won a million dollars or something and waved that and the security guards. By the way, I’m not making fun of the security guards.

CLAY: You’re not blaming the security guards.

BUCK: I’m with the security guards on this. I’m with them in that they’re not gonna do this. This is absurd. It’s gonna slow everything down. So I appreciate it. I want to high five the people who weren’t even really checking. But it is an extended finger in the center of the hand, so to speak, to all the people that are going, “Oh, we need vaccine passports everywhere!”

If you’re gonna do things like this, it is truly cosmetic theater. It obviously means nothing — and, Clay, we were outside. The main match is outside. This stuff doesn’t spread outside, not in any meaningful way. We can’t be held responsible for people that are afraid of lightning strikes all the time. I’m sorry. We just can’t live our lives that way.

CLAY: Well, and I think it becomes increasingly difficult to argue in favor of any kind of restriction when Americans are turning on their television sets. Even if you are among the covid fear porn purveyors or one of the people who’s still terrified that you’re gonna die of covid, when you’re watching a full stadium and they finally have done away with the absurdity of coaches on the sidelines having to wear masks. Or anybody having to wear those ridiculous shields, there is now no indication whatsoever that covid ever existed as it pertains college football and the NFL when you actually are in the stadium and you’re watching the games.

And, Buck, the great masses of football fans out there — this is spreading virally now — the amount of chants of “F Joe Biden” that are occurring all over the country, including in the 9/11 celebratory Mets-Yankees baseball series. We put together a medley — don’t worry, they’re bleeped — of fans in crowds starting viral F Joe Biden chants.

CROWD: (Bleep) Joe Biden. (Bleep) Joe Biden. (Bleep) Joe Biden. (Bleep) Joe Biden.

CLAY: Does this sound, Buck, like the most popular president according to electoral math, the most votes of all time?

BUCK: More votes than Barack Obama.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Yes, of course.

CLAY: Eighty-one million people.

BUCK: I think what you have is finally people… There’s a little bit of a turning point that is occurring here, tipping point that’s happening where you have people are getting to the point of fatigue with the stupidity where it’s becoming more obvious.

And here’s how I say that. ‘Cause, Clay, you get to spend more time in red state America; I get to spend more time in blue state America, right? And blue state America, it has been this cultural and social signifier of your intelligence to double mask —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — indoors, outdoors, to stand away from people when you’re in line and all these crazy things, to sit in the circle in the park that they’ve made for you. And I mean they actually draw a circle on the ground —

CLAY: Yeah, I’ve seen the pictures. It’s crazy.

BUCK: Yeah, they’ve got all this; this was a signifier. Now I am seeing people who granted there’s 700,000 Republicans or 800,000 Republicans in New York City. But I am seeing people that are just like, “I’m not gonna do this anymore.” I was on the subway going out to the game, subway back and forth, U.S. Open. Masks required on the subway. Of course I didn’t wear a mask, ’cause I’m such a rebel.

But I didn’t wear a mask, and I’d say about four or five other guys in the subway car. Interesting, it was always guys. I did not see any unmasked females in the subway. Only guys. Well, maybe that’s ’cause if somebody gets aggressive with you and you’re on the subway, a guy might feel more comfortable handling the “Hey, buddy, back off” thing.

But people are starting to say this. My coffee shop on my corner: “Masks even for the vaccinated,” it says. Required. Half the people and the staff not wearing masks. I think there is real fatigue with Fauciism that’s settling in, Clay, in blue states, right? It’s been in Nashville; it’s been in Tennessee and Texas and Florida. But I think even the libs — some of them. Some of them, not a majority, but like a good chunk of them are tired of this bull crap.

CLAY: Yeah. And look, Buck. I think it’s gratifying, right, my team got their ass kicked on Sunday. The Titans got destroyed by the Arizona Cardinals. But, man, I’ll tell you being in a stadium that was full again and being able to look around and not see a single person wearing a mask anywhere in my entire section.

Not seeing a single person lining up to get your tickets scanned, to come into the stadium and seeing that also taking place all over the country, right? Whether you’re a Giants fan in New York or whether you’re a 49er fan in San Francisco, places that you would anticipate fans would be more apprehensive and nervous and there might be more of a mask-related requirement. Now, maybe Lord Fauci is gonna weigh in here ’cause he couldn’t have been happy with all the NFL teams joining all the college football teams.

BUCK: I wanted to ask, “Why would he pick on the college football teams, Clay?” But I would also say, though, you know, if you were at the philharmonic or a soy milk-tasting contest — I’m just saying — you would see a lot more masks than you will at an NFL game.

CLAY: I agree, and I think that’s the answer of why Fauci’s picking on football, because football fans, I think in general, are the heartbeat of America. They’re middle-of-the-road people who are sane but also not fearful. I mean, if you’re gonna go watch guys beat up on each other playing football — hypermasculine sport — men and women, you’re probably not the kind of person who is fearful of what might happen to you on a day-to-day basis.

BUCK: You can break an arm. You can break your back. You can get paralyzed playing it. Football comes with risks.

CLAY: Football is far more dangerous to players than covid.

BUCK: And yet the people that are there watching, they understand that this is it. Everyone there on the field wants to be there and —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — wants to be involved in this sport. And look. I’m hoping, Clay, ’cause at least right now they keep arguing things that are always in contradiction with each other. You know, “The vaccines work so well.” “Oh, my God, unless everyone around me is vaccinated, I’m gonna get so sick and die even if I’m 30 years old.” I’m starting to see people are understanding that this can’t continue as it is.

The only thing that would change that trajectory, in my opinion — it isn’t even really a case thing — is if we see the hospitalizations and the deaths start to go up considerably again, which would just be an indicator of not just vaccine waning in efficacy but effectively failing after a time period. And that’s the big question mark that we have to see how it plays out in the wintertime.

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Transgender Madness: Male MMA Fighter Beats Up Female

13 Sep 2021

BUCK: I have a sports story that caught my attention obviously.

CLAY: No way.

BUCK: It happens, Mr. Travis, and not just bunch of foreign dudes playing tennis at the U.S. Open over the weekend. It was actually quite amazing to watch Medvedev just tear apart the greatest… It just goes to show you: Even when you’re the greatest of all time, you can have a bad night, even the best of all time.

Clay, it’s just the way it is sometimes. But it used to be that in the earlier days of the transgender rights debate and the movement around it, that you could say, “Okay, we could all agree that there should be some things. You shouldn’t have men, biological males playing on women’s sports.”

We should just be able to say “men,” by the way, because men and women are actual categorizes that exist in reality despite what the left thinks. And they said, “No, no, no.” So now you do have people who will be competing in things, whether it’s… I remember there was a transgender handball player, I believe, who’s like a foot and a half taller than most of the other girls on the team.

CLAY: The Olympic weightlifter, kind of a big deal.

BUCK: Right, Laurel Hubbard we talked about. But even beyond that, we said, “Okay. Well, we could all agree there should be some things. Combative sports — boxing, jiujitsu, Mixed Martial Arts — you’re not gonna subject a woman to fighting a man, a biological male. That’s just wrong. That’s just unethical.”

It would be like having somebody in a boxing match who’s just all juiced up on steroids fighting somebody who’s not. That’s not right. That’s not fair, right? You’re not talking about two men in that example. “Alana McLaughlin, the second openly transgender woman to compete in MMA in the United States, won her,” because we have to say “her;” that’s a requirement now “debut Friday night via submission at the Combate Global prelims in Miami, Fla.”

This is an individual, McLaughlin, who’s former U.S. Army Special Forces retired in 2010. Clay, I just think this is gross, man. I know there are people that want to push for this kind of… They think this is a new liberation movement or new civil rights movement to whatever. You look at the two bodies — one’s a man, one’s a woman — and a man fighting a woman should be viewed by everybody as wrong and beyond just wrong from a sports competition perspective.

CLAY: Yeah, and I think this is one of the places where you run up against the reality of transgender rights. I think there’s a huge percentage of the people out there — I would put myself in this category — if you decide you want to change your gender and you are an adult and you think it will make you happier and you can afford to do it, whatever.

I don’t get that worked up about it, right? I understand some people are upset about that idea. But me, I think I’m like, “Whatever.” I think that’s probably the majority. I really don’t care. But when you start telling me that you are going to have men who are biological men competing against women — and that, by the way, it’s going to be happening in some of our high schools?

There’s a lawsuit out there I’d encourage you guys to read out of Connecticut where the Connecticut state high school champion now in many different sports is a man who identifies as a woman. If you think out there, you got a daughter, you got granddaughters, you got somebody who has worked her entire life trying to be good at something, and then they end up losing to a biological man, it’s just not right.

It fundamentally distorts the entire basis of athletics. And so, Buck, you’re right. And it’s even worse in combat sports or weightlifting, places where being physically large is a tremendous advantage, and I think — I can’t believe that we even have this going on — it’s pure madness.

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How Could Anyone Compare September 11th to January 6th?

13 Sep 2021

BUCK: I was here in NYC over the weekend. It’s where I live; so I tend to be here. And there were certainly a lot of things in terms of the commemoration, the memorializing of the 20th anniversary of 9/11 that made people feel sad but also patriotic. It made many of us have those feelings of anger, but also the remembrance of the resilience that we had as a city, as a country, as Americans.

It was a moment where you would hope people would reflect and have an understanding of there are foreign enemies in this world who continue to wish to do us extreme harm. If Al-Qaeda could have detonated a nuclear device in an American city, they would have. I mean, that’s very clear from their own internal documents and the things that we have learned about that organization beforehand.

They killed almost 3,000 Americans and just human beings here on our soil in one day. Yet when something should be so clear — which is this is the worst terror attack on U.S. soil ever and that this should bring us all together as a people united against evil — there were some who were willing to say the most outrageous, idiotic, and despicable things as long as it was used as a tool to transfer attention away from the jihadists — the Islamic jihadists who attacked us on that day to — you guessed it — the threat of white nationalist terrorism here in America.

A woman who’s running for office in Florida, Pam Keith, Esq. Clay, do you ever put Esquire in your title?

CLAY: No so far, not. (laughing)

BUCK: She wrote, “On 1/6/2021, 9/11/2001 ceased being the worst thing that happened to America in my lifetime. It’s really weird and painful to process and say that. But it’s the truth. And quite frankly… it’s not even close.” Clay, in the New York… So we’ll get into that. But also in the New York Times, Spencer Ackerman, a leftist, writes the following:

“Ever since insurrectionists invaded the Capitol, we’ve heard that Jan. 6 closed a chapter in American history. No longer should America’s most threatening enemies be understood as foreign — a euphemism for Muslim — but instead as domestic, a euphemism for primarily white Americans on the far right.”

This is the crap that the New York Times publishes on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. It’s QAnon Shaman you’re supposed to be terrified of, Clay.

CLAY: It’s, I think, the biggest lie that’s out there right now, and there are a lot of lies out there. So it’s even hard to just choose which is the biggest lie that’s going on, but maybe I should say the most durable lie is that white supremacy is in some way a major threat to the United States, that Joe Biden could base his campaign decision (he claimed) on the Charlottesville protest over a Robert E. Lee statue — which, by the way, one person died at.

I wish that hadn’t happened, obviously. No one stands against the idea of death more than the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. We wish no one ever died. We are in favor of immortality.

BUCK: We are a pro-life show across the board.

CLAY: That’s right. So when you actually break it down, this lie, it goes to the root of the justification for much of the Democratic Party’s entire basis of existence now, which can really be summed up as everything is racist, but it goes to the heart of CRT. It goes to the heart of “equity,” as opposed to “equality,” the clear shift from equality to equity.

It’s all rooted in this idea that there are evil bogeyman out there, that the KKK is hiding underneath your bed, that at any moment if you are anything other than a racist white guy, you are in danger imminently from the KKK. And, by the way, Buck, it’s important to note what you just read from the New York Times.

No other race or gender is very often referenced as causing problems in this country. Right? If you said, “Hey, the murder…” If the New York Times was willing to say, “Hey, you know why the murder rate’s so high? Because of black men.” That’s statistically true in this country. Black men represent around 6% of the United States population and they commit over half of all murders.

So that’s statistically true, and there are a lot of reasons for that, and it could be discussed. But if the New York Times wrote an editorial and it said, “Hey, the biggest threat in America today is black men when it comes to murder,” it would be racist. Right? Because you’re not allowed to single out that identity politics arena.

But if you want to say, “Hey, white men are the biggest threat to America today, because of a few loser white supremacists who, by the way, have no power… Can you even name me a powerful white supremacist in this country today?

BUCK: No power. There’s articles. That guy that they always put on TV, the Spencer —

CLAY: Richard Spencer, yeah.

BUCK: You know, he’s been kicked out of his home, he can’t get a job, he’s ostracized from society.

CLAY: He lives in his mom’s house.

BUCK: I mean, that’s what actually happens in America, but they pretend —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — there’s this white supremacist architecture that’s just waiting to overthrow the government. And, Clay, we’re not exaggerating; we’re not cherry-picking here. “How Sept. 11 Gave Us Jan. 6” is the title in this New York Times op-ed, two days before the 20th anniversary of September 11th, explicit drawing a straight lane line from September 11th to January 6th.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And he finishes this piece with the following: “We need organized grass-roots action to unseat insurrectionist allies from office, to overturn the structural works of white supremacy like voter-suppression laws and to abolish the institutional architecture of the war on terror before it threatens even more American lives and freedoms.” Clay, this guy is a lunatic.

CLAY: It’s madness.

BUCK: I’m familiar with his work. He’s like a leftist that’s supposedly an expert on national security, and you see this and you understand. The “insurrection” has replaced “collusion.” This is a word for stupid people — or people who are very dishonest and are trying to control stupid people — to rally around to demonize the opposition to their power, to their plans. Which, in this case, everybody who is center and center right, you’re an insurrectionist unless you go along with this, just like you were a Russian collusionist unless you believe the Russia Trump fairy tales.

CLAY: Do you agree with me, by the way, that white men are the only group that it be publicly called out as an identity in the New York Times pages now? They expressly avoid mentioning any other race or gender as the problem in America.

BUCK: The left has made it a game. It is virtuous from the leftist perspective, Clay, to spew as much bile against white male (conservatives in particular) as possible. The enemy of America to the left is the white male conservative.

CLAY: White males in general, too, I think even.

BUCK: Well, if you’re a lib you get the special, “Oh, you’re an ally. You’re one of the guys.”

CLAY: A little bit but they’ll turn on you.

BUCK: You have to bend the knee and cry and say you’re sorry for everything, but they do it.

CLAY: (laughs) You curl up in the fetal position, but they turn on you so quickly if you’re a white man, even if you’re a liberal. And I just think it’s so fascinating that in this world where every individual is supposed to be judged and we talk about equity and everything else. Oh, it doesn’t matter when it comes to white men. And we’re gonna use this tiny minority of white supremacists as a stand-in to represent white men all over the country?

It is such a fundamental lie. And again, I think it’s the biggest lie because it goes to the essence of what the Democratic Party represents right now, which is the idea of everything is racist. In order for everything to be racist, you have to find somewhere, racism, right? A lot of it’s made up. The Jussie Smollett… Almost cursed there.

Jussie Smollett BS and all the other things that we’ve had to deal with. There’s a great deal more demand for explicit and overt racism than exists in this country today. And so it has to be “systemic,” and it has to be based and rooted at the feet of white men everywhere. You, me, Buck, a huge percentage of our listeners out there, we’re all everything that’s wrong with America today. That’s what the New York Times believes.

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C&B Invite Dr. Fauci to Join Us, Explain Natural Immunity

13 Sep 2021

CLAY: We have requested Dr. Fauci as a guest because I want him to have to discuss natural immunity with us in some significant detail. The requirements that are put in place for vaccination for employers of over a hundred people are currently being written by OSHA; so we don’t really know exactly what they are going to say or when they will be official.

It could be three to four weeks from now. But this is massive. This is significant. A lot of you out there… I just shared the serology results from England, where 98% of people have been exposed to covid. Many European countries allow you to have a vaccine passport, but also they will allow you — if you have had covid and recovered from it — to not be required to get the vaccine because it would then make no sense.

Given the fact that even the CDC now admits that around a hundred million Americans — and that’s probably low — have had covid and recovered from it so far, why in the world would people like Buck and I and many of you out there listening to us right now not be able to use those antibody tests as evidence?

When considering, arguably, based on the Israeli data, we are far more safe having had natural immunity even than vaccinated immunity! Well, Dr. Fauci of us asked about this Connor by Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and guess what? Despite only talking about covid for basically 19 months now, Fauci didn’t have an answer. Listen to this.

GUPTA: There was a study that came out of Israel about natural immunity and basically the headline was that natural immunity provides a lot of protection, even better than the vaccines alone. What are people to make of that? So as we talk about vaccine mandates, there are… I get calls all the time; people say, “I’ve already had covid, I’m protected, and now the study says maybe even more protected than the vaccine alone. Should they also get the vaccine?” How do you make the case for them?

FAUCI: You know, that’s a really good point, Sanjay. I don’t have a really firm answer for you on that. That’s something that we’re gonna have to discuss regarding the durability of the response. The one thing the paper from Israel didn’t tell you is whether or not as high as the protection is with natural infection, what’s the durability compared to the durability of the vaccine?

So it is conceivable that you got infected, you’re protected. But you may not be protected for an indefinite period of time. So I think that is something that we need to sit down and discuss seriously, because you very appropriately pointed out, it is an issue, and there could be an argument for saying what you said.

BUCK: No, it’s actually clear. It’s not just there’s an argument. Notice what he says is we don’t know how long it lasts, the duration, the durability of natural immunity. They don’t know the durability of the vaccine immunity other than it’s short, it doesn’t last long; that’s why we need boosters. And when he says there’s a study out of Israel, what they mean is they looked at the data.

And the data very clearly shows natural immunity is more protective than vaccinated immunity. So Fauci is hanging his hat on the total theory here — ’cause otherwise we should be very clear what the conclusion is — that, Clay, maybe the natural immunity goes away even faster than vaccinated immunity. Bull.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: He’s actually making it up.

CLAY: He’s lying to us, and that’s why we want to have him on, and we want to grill him on natural immunity. We’re gonna do it!

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: Last week, Joe Biden came out and tried to implement the — I would say — biggest federal overreach in the space of health in many of our lives, in terms of requiring a vaccine. Something, by the way, that they all said — in the Biden administration — they would never do. Now Dr. Fauci is not happy with what has happened so far, and he wants and would support a mandate for the vaccine to be required in order to travel on an airplane.

Here is the Fauchmeister making that argument.

FAUCI: I would support that! If you want to get on a train and travel with other people that you should be vaccinated. When you hear us say, “Should you mandate vaccinations to children to be able to attend schools?” some people say, “Oh, my gosh. That would be terrible to do that.” But we already do that and have been doing that for decades and decades. I don’t know what schools you went to, but the school that I went to you had to be vaccinated for measles, rumps, rubella, polio, or otherwise you couldn’t go to school.

CLAY: The difference of course, Buck — and, by the way, the school that he went to is the same school that you went to.

BUCK: That’s right. So it is possible to produce some freedom spreaders, damn it. It’s not just Fauci.

CLAY: All of those viruses that he referenced actually have danger to children, and I don’t want to get focused on the children vaccine requirement ’cause I think that’s madness. But the airplane vaccine requirement is even crazier because — this is significant — there’s never been a requirement that you be vaccinated for measles or mumps or polio or whatever else the heck it is, in order to the bet on an airplane — or, frankly, that you would require a gate agent to be checking vaccine paperwork?

BUCK: I also wonder about this, ’cause, Clay, what becomes…? First of all, this is as you and I have said, “This is where it’s heading if cases are high in the winter and especially if hospitalizations go up.” This is absolutely where it is going. Okay. So that’s one part of this. But another part of it is that, and this is why maybe we’ll have Dr. Marty Makary or someone like that on.

CLAY: We need to get him on. We do.

BUCK: We do? This week?

CLAY: Yeah, I think so.

BUCK: We’ll ask him about this.

CLAY: He’s got a good Wall Street Journal op-ed.

BUCK: My sense of it… Here’s my sense of it. Is measles constantly adapting? Are mumps something that are constantly change all the time?

CLAY: Yes, good point too.

BUCK: Because what clearly the libs are looking at now is getting us to zero covid. They won’t say that because that means we’re talking about a multiyear — now, we’re already 18 months — suppression campaign. But are they trying to suppress something that’s actually much more like the common cold or the flu in terms of transmission, mutation, and inability — and you point out, globally you have to do this as well, right?

CLAY: Yes. The variants are all coming globally. They’re not coming in the United States. Delta came from India.

BUCK: It’s also interesting that there’s a change that’s just happened now. It used to be West Nile Virus, Ebola Vius, Lyme Disease. These are all named nor places. Zika, right? These are things that are named from different places. Now it’s alpha, beta, lambda, delta, omega, whatever.

CLAY: Oh yeah. Gotta avoid racism.

BUCK: They don’t want to people to know, ’cause they’re worried about xenophobia. Well, that would actually be important to know where this stuff is coming from because your vaccination rate in the U.S., even if it did get to 100%, Clay, if it’s 15% —

CLAY: Around the world.

BUCK: — in south Asia, guess what?

CLAY: You’re in trouble. And that, unfortunately, is where we are headed, and no one is willing to actually have that discussion. The chances of the variant emerging in the United States are tiny.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

FAUCI: Well, I think the president is — is — is, you know, being somewhat moderate in his demand, if you want to call it that, in that there are some people who really don’t want to get vaccinated, but they don’t want to lose their job. You gotta give them an off lane. And the off lane is if you get tested frequently enough and find out you’re positive, you won’t come to work and you won’t infect other people. So it really is somewhat of a compromise there. Myself, I would make it just vaccinate or not. But he was trying to be moderate in what his pronouncement was.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. Clay, I can see his face. It is literally disbelief on his face as he’s hearing this clip from Fauci. It’s like bad cop/bad cop right, or bad cop/worse cop. You’ve got Biden with the overreach and Fauci like (impression), “Oh, I would go full Stalinism! I’d go all the way.”

CLAY: I just don’t understand — and again, for people out there who didn’t hear us talking about it earlier, we have put an official request in for this Dr. Fauci to come on our show. He does every media outlet in the country. Thirteen thousand of you have voted in the first 45 minutes here; 93% of you say that he will refuse to come on our show. (chuckles) Again, I think that’s funny but also sad because he has said so many stupid things.

BUCK: He’s a spokesman!

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Could we just say, Clay, it’s not even like the president or somebody where “have to respect the office” or something. His job is apparently to just go on every media outlet —

CLAY: This is what he does.

BUCK: — and spew the same crap, but he won’t come here and talk to us? He’s a public employee. Why not?

CLAY: I just want to ask him about the natural immunity thing. Because he continued to make it an either/or concept. Either you get the vaccine or — in Dr. Fauci’s position — you are putting everybody at danger, and you don’t deserve the righted to work. That’s what he’s saying. You either get the vaccine or you don’t deserve the right to work.

That’s what Dr. Fauci believes. What about the 100 million people who already had covid? And again, I want to go back to that England study which we don’t have. Ninety-eight percent of people in England have right now covid antibodies ’cause they either got the vaccine or they have natural immunity.

Why are they doing such an awful job in this country that we keep having to cite Israeli data or English data instead of being able to cite data in America to reflect what the situation actually is here? Because without that data, you can’t make informed public policy decisions.

It’s incredibly frustrating to me, 18 months in, that we still have such an awful collection of data. And I understand those countries are smaller and maybe that’s the argument for why it’s easier to do. But can a state not do it? Can we not have a serology study in a state or a city? I mean, it’s ridiculous.

BUCK: Clay, you also have to remember — and I don’t mean you; I mean everyone out there. We all have to remember that they’re now starting to just admit that this is for the psychology of those for whom covid has been an anxiety disorder, essentially.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: They’re starting to talk about this more about how we have to get to a place where it will make people feel more at ease. It’s not about disease, hospitalizations, death all the time. It’s about, “I don’t want to be scared when I go outside ’cause I watch too much CNN.” Here’s, for example, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy right now on how it’s all about making people feel better, peace of mind.

MURTHY: The reason that we’re pursuing some of these requirements is, again, we know again we know a lot of businesses have welcomed it. We know that many — that will help keep workplaces safe. And then if we ultimately want to not only get people back to work, but keep them at work. We want workers to know, “Hey, I’m coming back to the workplace, and it’s gonna be safe.” These vaccinations will help people do that, and I believe that will not only improve public health but give people some more peace of mind.

BUCK: Peace of mind, Clay. You have to get your… You have children who are 8 and 13, right? Am I remembering this correctly?

CLAY: Thirteen, 10, and 6.

BUCK: Oh. Okay. I was close: 13, 10, and 6.

CLAY: They’re aging. They both have birthdays this week. So it’s confusing for me too.

BUCK: Okay. Anyway, point being here, you have to mask them up, Clay. Now they want… Fauci and them, if they have their way, you have to get them vaccinated, too, so that overanxious adults who can’t handle the world around them being imperfect — who think that the state will keep them safe and warm at night — won’t be worried. They are starting to say this more openly because the data doesn’t back up what they’re doing as actually effective at saving lives or whatever it is he wants to.

CLAY: Which is why is which I went to the school board several weeks because I’m looking at the data right now, and these are kids that died with covid — almost all of whom had serious, significant health issues on top of that — 412. So 412 kids, minors, under the age of 18, have died of covid. That is .001% of total cases.

Your kids and my kids are more likely to be murdered, they are more likely to die in a traffic accident, they are more likely to drown, they are more likely to die of the seasonal flu than they are from covid. So unless I’m crazy, I don’t ever remember any mask requirement that existed in any school in the country for the seasonal flu.

Even though every year, on average, it has been killing more kids than are dying of covid. And most of you didn’t even recognize, didn’t even know, didn’t even contemplate the seasonal flu as a very likely danger for your kids. Not because you were trying to intentionally ignore it but just because statistically it is not that significant of a danger.

And if you have your kids walk into school in the morning like I do or you put ’em in a car, they’re under more danger of getting murdered and dying in a traffic accident. If you said, “Hey, I’m not gonna take my kids to school today ’cause I’m worried they might get murdered or die in a traffic accident,” we would say of the parents who told us that, “You have a severe psychological failure.”

BUCK: You need professional medical assistance for a psychological disorder.

CLAY: But we’re doing that with covid.

BUCK: I think there are a lot of prominent TV journalists if we can call them that — pundits pretending to be journalists — who view covid fearmongering, who view covid fear expansion as necessary for their ratings, perhaps. It’s tough to tell whether they’re ideally devoted to it or whether they’re just doing it. Of all the stupid things that were said over the weekend, this might take the cake.

Nicolle Wallace, who’s over at MSNBC, a former Bush person, by the way, a former Republican who now does the bidding like a little marionette of the DNC, the Democrats. By the way, that will never happen. There will never be a day where I’m showing up somewhere, “Oh, I’m a Democrat now because these people pay my check.”

I’ll go be a real estate agent somewhere. I’ll go do some cool job I want to do that I’ve always felt like doing. I love real estate or something like that. I’ll go do something else. I’m not gonna turn on everything I’ve ever stood for because, “Oh, I want to be on TV, and I want to be important.” Here’s Nicole Nicolle Wallace. Did you hear this? Did you? I don’t even know.

CLAY: No, I haven’t heard it.

BUCK. Oh, my God. I’ll get the real time reaction from the Claymeister over here. Nicolle Wallace was on MSNBC telling Brian Williams, who… I don’t know if you guys know this. Brian Williams was the lead Navy SEAL on the mission to kill Osama Bin Laden.

CLAY: (laughing) He pulled the trigger.

BUCK: We had Rob Smith on. Rob can neither confirm nor deny that it was actually Brian Williams. (impression) “There I was — no crap — doing it all.” Anyway, here is Nicolle Wallace. This is gonna make some of you angry when you hear this, but you gotta hear it ’cause this is what goes on MSNBC.

WALLACE: I think there are so many parallels to how much more difficult it is to do any of the things that anyone who has spoken today has done, to call the country to a higher purpose. Politicians and prominent folks in the media outraged by steps that a president — not too many presidents — after the one we heard from today would try to save his country from an unthinkable death toll.

I mean, as many people die every two days as died on September 11th in this country who don’t have to die. Anyone in this country over 12 could be vaccinated, and people who are vaccinated are not the ones, tragically, packing ICUs in this country.

BUCK: Yes, Clay, it’s just like a 9/11 every two days. That’s what they’re saying on national TV. People dying of a respiratory virus — most of whom are much older and at risk from all the other viruses that are out there too, as we know — that’s the same as our buildings being hit by planes driven by homicidal jihadist lunatics and killing thousands of Americans all at once as they try to destroy our entire society. How is it possible that people that are this stupid get paid to be on TV?

CLAY: Well, not only that, Buck, 8,000 people die every day in this country, and for many of our lives, we accepted that that was awful, but it’s the natural evolution of biology that 8,000 people a day die in this country.

BUCK: Imagine figured to you, Clay…? Democrats are dumb enough that they would say this, the ones that are on TV. Imagine if I said to you, “Oh, okay. There were 50 people shot in America over the weekend. But do you realize that 300 people died today from heart disease” or whatever? I’m making up the number. But people would say that’s a callous, idiotic statement; these things have nothing to do each other.

CLAY: Oh, imagine if somebody ha gone on Fox News and said on the day George Floyd died, “Well, you know, it’s a tragedy what happened to George Floyd, but 7,999 people also died today, so I don’t think we should spend that much time focusing on any one.” That person would never be allowed on television again, right?

BUCK: They would have to change their name and move to a rural, off-the-grid area in Canada.

CLAY: That’s 100% what would happen!

BUCK: Yes, that is absolutely what would happen. But our media is full of idiots. And unfortunately, some of the idiots get very well paid and keep their jobs. But that’s just the way that it is.

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Democrats Break Promise to Never Mandate Vaccine

13 Sep 2021

BUCK: I think it’s important, Clay, for us to set this table to know where we are versus where we were, the promises that were made to us as the American people by the folks who are in charge. How rapidly all of this has changed. How rapidly we’re in a very different place. This is a montage which I think will speak very well to how what they used to say, we are supposed to forget.

What they used to claim they agreed with us on when it comes to vaccine mandates, when it comes to vaccine passports, masking once again — all this stuff that we’re seeing — your kids having to get the vax. Here’s the Biden administration over time, over the last year or so.

NANCY PELOSI: (4/29/2021) We cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That’s just not what we can do.

ANTHONY FAUCI: (8/19/2020) We don’t want to mandate and try and force anyone to take a vaccine. We’ve never done that!

KAMALA HARRIS: (9/10/2021) The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is not negotiable.

JEN PSAKI: (4/6/2021) Americans’ privacy and rights should be protected.

NANCY PELOSI: (4/29/2021) It is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn’t.

ANTHONY FAUCI: (8/19/2020) We don’t want to be mandating from the federal government to the general population. It would be unenforceable and not appropriate.

ROCHELLE WALENSKY: (5/16/2021) We’re not counting on vaccine mandates at all. That is going to be locally driven and not federally driven.

KAMALA HARRIS: (9/10/2021) When people are able to make choices without government interference for themselves in terms of their well-being, we are a stronger society.

ANTHONY FAUCI: (7/7/2020) I don’t see it on a national level merely because of all the situations you have upon — approaching upon persons’ freedom to make their own choice of their own health.

JOE BIDEN: (12/4/2020) No! I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it be mandatory.

BUCK: Clay, what happened to all those Democrats? Those are the most powerful Democrats in the country. Where did they go?

CLAY: It’s such a fascinating situation to analyze here, Buck, because, first of all, that entire roster is all lies. Right? And for those of you out there who may not have been able to hear perfectly — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Dr. Fauci, Rochelle Walensky (CDC director), and also Kamala Harris — all of those people saying that there will not be federal vaccine mandates.

So when you sit back and you try to analyze this from a purely political perspective… ‘Cause I think — are you with me, Buck? — that we can no longer talk about the science at all. This has been straight politics for a long time, because there are so many different dueling perspectives on scientists. And I saw this data point which is so frustrating.

If we were just focusing on science, we would be focused on the data so much more. Buck, I don’t know if you saw this, but they actually do regular blood testing in England to see what percentage of people either have been exposed through natural immunity or have gotten the vaccine. England’s up to 98% exposure to covid in their most recent blood test. Right? What are we in the United States?

Probably something similar. But we don’t have that data. And if we had that data, what you would have is a reasonable way to analyze what decisions are being made. And so, as long as Democrats can make you believe that there is a pandemic afoot and that there needs to be emergency activities undertaken, then it’s easier to encroach and expand upon their power even though they have a minuscule majority right now in the House and in the Senate and in the presidency as well.

And so what stands out to me here is how rapidly we have moved from the science and actually what the laws of this country represent, what your constitutional rights are, to, “It doesn’t matter. We will take as many powers as we possibly can.” The hypocrisy is jarring. It is staggering. And what is still distressing to me is how many people in this country are just sheep, Buck. They don’t even stand up. They just say, “Bah,” and walk in whatever direction they’re pointed.

BUCK: “Protecting the vaccinated,” Clay, is a thing you hear a lot now. “Protecting the vaccinated from covid.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This was on Fox this morning on the website, and people have been raising this, and I keep saying, “The most neurotic and hysterical individuals you’ll come across in America today when it comes to all things covid restriction and lockdown are not seniors.” Seniors, at this point, they’ve either gotten the shot and they know that they’ve done their thing —

CLAY: 93% 65-and-up shots.

BUCK: — or they’ve made a very clear decision. By the way, one that I disagree with. I think they have a right to make it —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — but I disagree with it insofar as my own parents, who I love more than anyone in the world… I know you feel the same way.

CLAY: Same thing for me.

BUCK: As soon as my dad stood out for hours in Staten Island the freezing cold outside — ’cause you had to social distance in the line as if that was doing anything — outdoors to get the shot. And I was encouraging them at the time to do this. The problem is, we have a society of people who are 20 to 40, 20 to 50 who are Democrats who worship at the altar of Fauciism, and they’re neurotic and terrified of covid-19.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: And so because they won’t go back to normal — they pretend they’re so concerned about, all the seniors and, “Oh, all the death from covid” — we all have to basically cater to their neurosis all the time. This is why I see 20-year-olds, I see 30-year-olds walking around New York City still outside with masks on. Not everybody, but you see it commonly enough that you wonder, “What is wrong with these people?” What is it going to take, Clay? We’re never going to be at covid zero. That is a fantasy that will never exist.

CLAY: And I think it’s important as you said that we both told our parents, you look at the age range of danger in this country; it’s stratified by age. I pulled this today because the CDC data is out there, Buck, on what danger you have of dying. Under 18 years old, there have been 412 covid deaths since this started.

That is .001% of total cases. Think about the amount of time we have spent arguing about whether kids should be in masks and about the danger — as CNN constantly puts it on their television and MSNBC — to kids. Under 18, Buck, 412 kids nationwide have died with covid.

By the way, unfortunately most of those 412 had massively significant health restrictions. Way more kids have been murdered, way more kids have drowned, way more kids have died in car accidents, way more kids have died of the seasonal flu. All of those things under 18.

BUCK: And yet, Clay, as you know, the primary push right now from the Fauciites is to make your kids get the shot, and as young as —

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: — possible they want them to get it. They want them as young as possible. Go ahead.

SURGEON GENERAL VIVEK MURTHY: What the FDA said recently, uh, was really an affirmation of what you and I have recently talked about which is that getting a vaccination for kids — for covid-19 — remains the FDA’s top priority. We are ready as soon as the companies finish their trials and get the data to them, to process that quickly, to review it and make sure our kids have a vaccine that is both safe and effective.

BUCK: I mean, a reasonable health policy when it comes to children would be effectively, let them live their lives completely normally.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Let them get covid and their very robust, young, adaptable immune systems, knock it out quite quickly. And then you have people who have natural immunity, and then we’re done with all this nonsense. But instead we have kids that are breathing through masks and separated by Plexiglas, which everyone…

This is the thing, Clay. They’re making us do things that we all know are stupid. It reminds me of when they used to tell you to turn off your Kindle on the airplane. Remember that? There was a time when you couldn’t have your Kindle because of the electric interference or something.

CLAY: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

BUCK: We all did this knowing it was ridiculous, and the airline attendants… Airline attendants, unfortunately… Some of them are great. If you’re listening, I’m sure you’re a freedom-loving airline attendant. A lot of them are like Siberian prison guards in the air and they love doing this stuff, they’re horrible about the masking thing and they would tell you to shut off your Kindle.

No human being actually believed that my Kindle being on or off — ’cause, Clay, if it could cause interference, people forget to turn it off all the time. I don’t want to get too deep in the airline thing. It’s just to say they’re making us do things we all know are stupid, and they get angry when you won’t do the stupid things.

CLAY: Well, and I think we need to keep talking about the kids’ requirement and the fact that there are many countries coming out with the opposite recommendations of the United States, for instance, England where 98% of the people, as I said earlier, have already been exposed to covid. England not requiring masks in schools.

And they’re also not requiring kids be vaccinated. My kids are not going to get vaccinated based on — look at the data. That’s not because I’m trying to kill somebody’s grandma. It’s because there’s no benefit statistically to getting my kids vaccinated for covid and potentially creating more of a risk to them from covid.

Also, by the way, we haven’t gotten them antibody tested, but since my wife and I have both had covid, we feel pretty good that they’ve probably had covid as well and been exposed to it. And because fortunately kids have almost no reaction to covid on the general level, it doesn’t impact them. Most kids, I think, in this country have been exposed to covid already.

BUCK: I would love to see the serological data on this.

CLAY: We don’t have the data.

BUCK: And I think, Clay, there’s… Look, I think the government doesn’t honestly want to give too many answers. New York City in June of 2020, folks, had a 20% serological positive — blood tests — that showed exposure to covid and or antibodies. That was in June of 2020. No one can convince me it’s not at least 60%, 70% of the city that’s been in contact with covid in a way that shows up in their blood. It’s probably more than that.

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    Biden’s Unconstitutional Vaccine Mandate

    10 Sep 2021

    CLAY: We have got an unbelievable show headed for you guys on this Friday as we are dealing with one of the largest overreaches of government power probably in the history of this country and certainly in the history of most of our lives as Joe Biden is doing whatever he can to mandate vaccines.

    Also, it is the eve of the 20th anniversary of 9/11. We’re gonna be joined in the second hour of the program by Rudy Giuliani to talk about his reflections and experiences as we approach the 20th anniversary of 9/11, a day forever etched in infamy across this landscape.

    But the breaking news story that happened yesterday evening, Joe Biden went back on his word and said, “I am basically going to do everything in my power to mandate that all of you get the vaccine.” We’re gonna open up the phones. Obviously, it’s Friday. Open Line Friday is a longtime tradition.

    1-800-282-2882.

    You guys can load up those lines and be prepared to react as you see it. But I want to start here… As we get ready for Buck and I to spend a lot of time reacting to this monstrously important story, I want to start by setting the context upon which Joe Biden has lied to the American public yet again. He said back in December of 2020 that he did not believe that any mandates on vaccination were ever going to be necessary. This is Joe Biden then.

    BIDEN: No! I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it to be mandatory. But I would do everything in my power, just like I don’t think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide. I’ll do everything in my power as president of the United States to encourage people to do the right thing — and, when they do it, demonstrate that it matters.

    CLAY: All right. That was Joe Biden in December of 2020. Nancy Pelosi also said, “Hey, the federal government can’t mandate vaccines.” Here’s what she said.

    PELOSI: So, here’s the thing: We cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That’s just not what we can do. It is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn’t.

    CLAY: That is Nancy Pelosi. Well, evidently the federal government’s powers have changed since she said that — and already, thankfully, we have Republican governors who are willing to stand up for their citizens. But Joe Biden’s telling them basically, “Bring it on.” Here’s Biden said this morning.

    BIDEN: Have at it. (dramatic pause)

    (One person claps)

    BIDEN: (haltingly) Look. I am so, um… disappointed, uh, that particularly some Republican governors have been so cavalier with the health of these kids, so cavalier with the health of their communities. This is — this is… (sputtering) We’re playing for real here. This isn’t a game. And I don’t know of any scientist out there in this field that doesn’t think it makes considerable sense to do the six things I’ve suggested.

    BUCK: There are a lot of scientists, actually, who disagree with him on masking in schools, Clay, who disagree — whole countries, actually — on masking in schools. I guess the same way that those Republican governors are reckless with the lives of their children or of the children in their states…

    I suppose the U.K. and other major European countries that have said no masking in schools is necessary, they must not care about dead kids either. Is that what we’re supposed to believe? Here’s what I wanted to say to of everybody as soon as this came — first of all, we’ve been saying this was gonna happen.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: We have audio. I said they’re gonna use federal mandates, and this is one of the reasons why I have had some disagreements with some fellow conservatives about sitting around and waiting and talking about, “Oh, my Constitution.” I am like, “They’re coming for you. I’ve been saying this. They’re gonna do this. The federal government under this Biden administration will overreach,” and it has.

    But beyond that, this isn’t even the full nuclear option, folks., what they’ve done. I know that that’s hard to hear, but it’s true. This is a big leap in the incrementalist plan, right? This feels like they’ve been taking step, step, step, and now this is a bit of a jump. But they still have a few other steps. First of all, they’re hiding behind, Clay, as you know, “It’s not really a mandate for the businesses because you can get tested once a week.”

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: A company with 15,000 or 30,000 employees is gonna be overseeing weekly testig? That’s absurd — and think of the expense.
    But beyond that, the big one — and you and I have talked about it — I still think we head into the winter, they move the football down the totalitarian field this way. They’re gonna go for you cannot get on a plane or a train that crosses state lines without a vaccine passport, full stop. That’s where this is headed.

    CLAY: Yeah, and look, what we need… So there’s a lot of you out there that are asking the question — okay, let’s start here — Is this constitutional? I believe the answer is no. Okay? Let’s start that. I’ll put my lawyer hat on. To my knowledge, the government has never mandated a treatment of a medical nature on the basically vast majority of the United States population that I can ever remember historically, right?

    So this mandate, I believe, is unconstitutional. The question, Buck, is how many people will actually stand up to the mandate? And how many companies and also governors and states are just going to meekly comply with this regulation? In other words, a lot of you out there listening, most of you work at places that employ over a hundred people.

    And a lot of you, I bet, have already been asking questions. You may have gotten the emails. Buck, we got an email. A lot of these companies are going to send out a statement, and I think — I’m curious what you think, Buck but I think — most companies are not gonna want to fight this. They’re not gonna expend the legal resources to fight it on behalf of their employees, and they’re going to meekly comply.

    And I think a lot of governors will meekly comply as well. And the question is going to be, “Will the Supreme Court get involved in this and make it clear that the federal government doesn’t have the ability to issue this mandate — or will they try and dodge in issue because they don’t want to get involved in the politics of covid vaccination?” I don’t know the answer. I can tell you I think John Roberts wants to dodge it.

    BUCK: Of course.

    CLAY: The way he wants to dodge every conflict.

    BUCK: The same way I knew, everyone saying, “Oh, but the courts will decide on the election issues.”

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: During that whole thing I was on the radio saying, “No, they’re not going to decide because of cowardice, because they don’t want mobs showing up outside of their home, because that’s how the left plays the game when it comes to judges’ decisions they don’t like. They’re just gonna judge, ‘Not our problem. This was a political question decided by the election,'” which, by the way, is what they did resoundingly in court after court.

    CLAY: Yes. I said same thing. You’re right. That’s why I’m nervous here about whether the courts are actually gonna stand up for our rights.

    BUCK: So now we’re at a place, though, where we’re hoping that, what, the Supreme Court will step in at some point and tell us that…? Are they gonna put a stay on this order? I think that’s unlikely, but we’ll see. In the meantime, you ask about companies, corporations. First of all, the federal government is definitely gonna implement this for all their employees, their 2.1 million. We knew that was gonna happen. There have been some interesting questions about the United States Postal Service.

    CLAY: It is, right?

    BUCK: I’ve seen back and forth over that whether they are covered, or they’re covered under different laws. Anyway, the point is the federal government is gonna make all their employees get this. Another part of it that we’ve been saying is coming and it’s here now — and we can go back and we actually have transcripts. (chuckles)

    At ClayAndBuck.com, you go in the archives. We’ve been saying this for a while, that they’re gonna mandate this in schools. L.A. County just did it. I can assure you that New York is gonna follow L.A. County with everyone 12 and up having to get the vaccine. And what we’re just seeing here is what I’ve been worried about all along, which is the piecemeal, 100% vaccination approach, which doesn’t…

    There are so many things that we could say, “This is problematic,” so many reasons why this is problematic. Clay, not a single mention in the 27 minutes. I watched it back a couple times, Biden. I watched it and then read the transcript. In the Biden speech, not a single mention of natural immunity —

    CLAY: Of course.

    BUCK: — the hundred million people that have gotten infected already. So they’re treating you like an enemy of the state, like a threat to public health if you’re not vaccinated. And put aside how I think that’s completely unfair as well. But even if you’ve had the virus — and therefore, medically speaking, are as less risk to people walking around even someone who has just gotten the vaccine — they still treat you like an enemy in the state because the narrative and the control is what matters. The power is what matters here.

    CLAY: I think this is massively, massively important on two levels, to kind of synthesize this. One, I think it’s an unconstitutional overreach. The federal government, in my opinion, does not have the power to do what Joe Biden did. And, Buck, we know that Biden himself has basically said, “I don’t care,” ’cause he did it with the eviction moratorium when he actually said, “I know this is unconstitutional but I’m doing it anyway.”

    I think that’s what’s going on here. But will our courts have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the president “in the midst of a pandemic” (in quotation marks, too, Buck), and I think this is massively significant, too, and I think we need to continue to talk about this. Even if 100% of people are vaccinated, it doesn’t solve covid.

    Because the vaccines are working in a limited efficacy for a relatively short period of time. So both Biden does not have the constitutional authority, I don’t believe, to do what he did, and it doesn’t even solve the underlying issue. The only way we solve it is with herd immunity. That’s it. That’s the answer.

    BUCK: This is the problem as well, though, going back to some of the discussions that have been had among Republicans and fellow conservatives. Waiting for the court to save us on this is going to mean that in the next 90 days, the hundred million people that are covered under this mandate — a huge percentage of them — are gonna end up getting the shot or losing their jobs.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: It’s not going to happen fast enough, and I don’t think you can even count in the long run on the court stepping in here and doing what you and I believe is the right thing, because the interstate Commerce Clause is used in a whole lot of ways. Remember, we talked about Wickard v. Filburn about a month ago.

    I said, “They’re gonna find some agency, whether it’s Department of Labor, Department of HHS, whatever it will be,” and that’s where we are now. I’m so curious to see what people are now gonna do, because I know there are a lot of folks listening to this. Was it an ESPN reporter who says she’s stepping aside?

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: She’s saying, “I’m not gonna do this for the season.”

    CLAY: Yeah, sort of a public figure that had to step out. There’s a sideline reporter, Allison Williams for ESPN, and she posted a statement yesterday before Biden even did this. ESPN has required, mandated that everyone get the vaccine who is working for them. And she said (summarized): “Hey, on the advice of my doctor we’re trying right now, my husband and I are, to have our second child, and I don’t want to get the vaccine right now; so I’m sitting out the season.”

    And I think there are a lot of people out there… Again, Buck, to me, the biggest fallacy of all of this is the lack of discussion about natural immunity. It’s as if it doesn’t exist. And it’s maybe the most important single issue to get through this.

    BUCK: There are a lot of coinciding issues and we’ll come back to that in a second but just the fact that they won’t talk about natural immunity —

    CLAY: At all.

    BUCK: — is proof that this isn’t just about the science.

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: You can’t tell me it’s just about the science when you are mandating, by the way, some workers… If it’s about the science, Clay, what about companies with less than a hundred employees? They’re allowed to be superspreaders?

    CLAY: What about the postal service? These are people that are actually out and about every day.

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