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Sen. Cruz on the Border Crisis, Milley — and Covid Racism

16 Sep 2021

CLAY: We bring in now from the great state of Texas one of their senators, Ted Cruz, the man who had a good deal of success at the poker table alongside me. Have you heard, Senator, yet when our great poker match is gonna air on television?

SEN. CRUZ: You know, Clay, I haven’t heard. They said about a month, but I don’t think they have a firm date yet.

CLAY: Yeah, we haven’t heard yet. We’ll let you guys know ’cause I think people will joy that. We had a great table. All right. What’s not going great, Senator — and I appreciate you coming on with us, ’cause Buck and I wanted to talk about this, and it’s absolutely perfect timing. There’s viral drone footage from down along the border showing thousands of people right outside of our border trying to cross. You obviously represent the state of Texas and are well informed with what’s going on down along the Texas border. How bad is it? What is Biden doing? And what is the solution that we could have here, based on your understanding of the situation?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, it is horrific. The video that has gone viral is of the Del Rio bridge and there are over 8,000 illegal immigrants that are gathered there. Many of them are Haitian, and the processing center is simply overwhelmed. We’ve had well over a million illegal immigrants cross since Joe Biden became president.

We’re on a pace to have over two million cross this year. You know, I was down at the border just a couple of weeks ago. And the volume is massive. It is overwhelming everything. It is a humanitarian crisis. It’s a public health crisis. It’s a national security crisis. The Donna tent facility, which are the Joe Biden cages where there are thousands upon thousands of little boys and little girls just crammed in those cages.

When I was down there a couple of weeks ago, the rate of covid positivity in the Donna cages is over 22%. And this is all the direct result of Biden and Harris, their open-border policies. Every child trafficker, every human trafficker, every narcotics trafficker in the world has heard Biden’s message that the borders are open, and they’re coming in massive, massive numbers.

BUCK: Senator Cruz, it’s Buck. Do you see this stopping at any point? Is there any reason…? I mean, I remember when the so-called the conventional wisdom at the beginning of this year certainly from the Biden camp was, “Oh, well, over the summer, you’ll see a big diminution. You’ll see a big draw-down of far fewer people doing the illegal crossings.” It turned out that was not the case.

We had 208,000 last month. We’re having 200,000 a month now through the summer months it seems and on pace for well over a million illegals entering the United States this year. It’s gonna be closer to 1.5 or two million. What stops the situation? Are we just at the point now where the Democrat Party feels like it’s worth it to take whatever heat they get in order to get the votes in the long term?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, that’s a big part of a it, that Biden and Harris made promises to the radical left, to the open-borders left, and the promises they made were that they would not enforce the border. No matter what, it would be open borders. And so the challenge they face is they have no way to fix this crisis ’cause they have created it.

And what they’re counting on is corrupt corporate media simply refusing to cover it. And, by and large, the major networks and CNN, they don’t cover it. You know, if you watch Fox News, if you watch Newsmax or OAN or you listen to your show, you know about what is happening at the border. But if you watch CNN, there is no border crisis!

It simply doesn’t exist, because the corporate media are willing to be propagandists. And the Biden administration is counting on that. And the frustrating thing is we know how to fix this. We don’t have to ask hypothetically. Last year, just one year ago, we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years.

And what produced that was an agreement that President Trump negotiated with Mexico. It was called the Remain in Mexico agreement. It worked incredibly well. And on his first day in my office, Joe Biden ripped that international agreement to shreds, and we went from the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years last year to this year the highest rate of illegal immigration in over 20 years.

And they don’t intend to change, even though a federal court has now ordered them — the Biden administration — to return to the Remain in Mexico policy. They are effectively defying the federal court and defying the U.S. Supreme Court, which left that court ruling in place.

CLAY: Senator Cruz, there’s so much going on that is incompetence from the Biden administration at a high level. We just asked you about the border. But I want to ask you about what’s going on right now with General Milley. We know what a failure Afghanistan was. But the reports in Bob Woodward’s book that he was back channeling with China regarding not being willing to follow Donald Trump’s orders if necessary. How alarmed should Americans be by that revelation, presuming that it’s true? And should we have an investigation of some sort to figure out exactly what General Milley did and when he did it?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, I think we should be very alarmed. But I want to start with noting that Bob Woodward has a long history of having quotes in his book, some of which are accurate and some of which are not. And so I don’t think we should jump to conclusions. I don’t think we should assume the quotes are accurate. I think General Milley deserves the chance to defend himself.

He deserves the chance to answer and to answer under oath before the United States Congress whether in fact he did what Woodward alleges. If Woodward is right, what Woodward alleges that General Milley called the leading general of the Chinese communist military and said that if President Trump ordered a military strike, that he and the other generals would resist that and that he would inform the Chinese government of any military conflict before it happened.

If that occurred, it is deeply, deeply concerning. It would be a gross dereliction of duty. It would be breaking the chain of command. Our Constitution establishes civilian control of the military. And for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to defy that would be deeply concerning. But I think General Milley deserves the chance to address it directly and defend himself and answer whether that is true or not.

BUCK: You also have, in your capacity as a lawyer, argued at the very highest court many times in the past. I wanted to know what your analysis is, what your assessment — obviously, also as a sitting U.S. senator — of the Biden vaccine mandate/testing requirement that’s going into effect here and OSHA putting out this ruling. Is it constitutional? What do you think?

SEN. CRUZ: The Joe Biden vaccine mandate is flatly illegal and unconstitutional. It is contrary to federal law. The president has no authority to order Americans to take a vaccine for covid, and he has no authority to order employers to force their employees to do so. They are trying to do so through an OSHA regulation. OSHA is the Occupational Safety Hazard Administration.

It regulates dangers at the workplace, things like asbestos. It doesn’t have any authority over your personal health care decisions, which should be between you and your doctor. Now, Biden issued this mandate for two incredibly cynical reasons. Reason number one is they desperately wanted to change the subject from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was such an absolute disaster. It’s the worst foreign policy catastrophe in a generation. And it was the first issue on which Biden was getting criticized, not just by Republicans but by Democrats and even by the press. And the corporate media have been Biden’s biggest defenders, and they turned on him in Afghanistan.

And the Biden White House knew that if they issued this vaccine mandate that, like sheep, the corporate media would circle the White House and defend it. And that’s exactly what they’re doing. And so they, number one, wanted to change the topic from Afghanistan. But number two, Joe Biden knows this is illegal.

The Biden White House knows this is illegal. Ron Klain, the White House chief of staff, retweeted a comment that this is just a work-around — that was the term that was used — a work-around around federal law. But what they’re counting on is that millions of people will obey before the litigation can be over. Typically, litigation takes months or even years.

And by the time this order gets thrown out in court, an awful lot of people will have simply complied — and I will say, sadly, for a lot of Big Business there are a lot of big businesses in America today that are eager to comply to force their employees to get vaccinated and to tell their employees, “Hey, it’s not my fault. I’m just following federal law,” and so it’s really Joe Biden in bed with the giant Big Business corporations.

CLAY: Senator Cruz, I know you’ve seen some of the videos that are going viral. We talked about that to start the show. The situation in Target where some random guy is hectoring a woman who’s not wearing a mask. Also, a black family in New York being kicked out of a restaurant for not being able to show their vaccine papers.

Have we created — and has the Biden administration aided and abetted — an otherness association here where we are treating people who are unvaccinated or might have natural immunity but have not had a traditional vaccine as second-class citizens, and how do we rectify that, if you agree that that’s starting to occur?

SEN. CRUZ: Clay, I think that absolutely is occurring, that there is a polarization and division in our society and that Joe Biden and the Democrats are pouring gasoline on those fires and dividing us. The video in New York, you tweeted it out. I actually retweeted you. It’s a horrific video of a black man with his family being denied the right to have a meal, being told, “If you don’t have your vaccination papers, get out!” And he observes… He said he and his family had a religious exemption from doing it. The New York restaurant didn’t care, but even more disturbing were all of the patrons of that restaurant.

CLAY: Yes.

SEN. CRUZ: And it was striking. They were almost all white. They’re presumably white liberals. One of them flips the bird at him.

CLAY: Yep.

SEN. CRUZ: And I got to say when I retweeted you, Clay, I put the #LiberalsAreRacist Because what you’re seeing is white liberals who feel so holier-than-thou; so morally superior that you’ve got a bunch of rich white guys being willing to insult and attack and throw out a black family — and, by the way, if you look at the racial breakdowns on vaccinations, African-Americans and Hispanics are getting vaccinations at a much lower rate.

And these rich, white liberal politicians are saying essentially “whites only” if you want to go to a restaurant in New York, whites only if you want to go to a Dodgers game in Los Angeles. And they don’t care because they’re willing to be so holier-than-thou that it is a crusade and anyone who doesn’t obey their edict is an evildoer. And this is a really dangerous phenomenon, I think, in our society.

BUCK: Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. Sir, we always appreciate when you make the time for us, and we’ll talk to you again soon.

SEN. CRUZ: Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. Anyone who wants to dive into these topics more, my podcast is Verdict with Ted Cruz. Verdict with Ted Cruz. We do it every week, and we’re diving into them at great length.

CLAY: There we go. Appreciate it.

BUCK: Check it out, everybody. Thanks so much, sir.

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Bumbling Authoritarian Lectures Americans Again

16 Sep 2021

CLAY: There is some breaking news as Joe Biden has spoken, and he has continued to flog his vaccine mandate and argue that anyone who is opposing is basically like the guy in Target walking around yelling at the woman. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you need to see that video, and/or go listen to our program where we played it. But Joe Biden on the vaccine. Let’s play cut 29.

BIDEN: And we’re facing a lot of pushback, especially from some of the Republican governors. The governors of Florida and Texas are doing everything they can to undermine the life-saving requirements that I’ve prepared. Some of the same governors attacking me are in states with the strictest vaccine mandates for children attending school in the entire country.
For example, in Mississippi, children are required to be vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis B, polio, tetanus, and more. These are state requirements. But in the midst of the pandemic that has already taken over 660,000 lives, I proposed a requirement for covid vaccines, and the governor of that state calls it, quote, “a tyrannical-type move”? A tyrannical-type move? This the worst kind of politics, ’cause it’s putting the lives of citizens of their states, especially children, the risk, and I refuse to give into it.

CLAY: All right. I’m fired up about this, because I’m a parent and I am so sick of every time any parent raises an issue with masks or vaccine requirements for kids, that we get lectured as if we are putting our kids in danger. There is nothing in my life, Buck, that matters more than my three boys. By the way, one had a birthday yesterday and turned 11.

The other one is having a birthday tomorrow and turning 7. Happy birthday to my two youngest. But all of those viruses and vaccine requirements that Joe Biden just ran through — this is important — are dangerous to children. There is not a requirement that kids get the flu vaccine, the flu shot. The flu, the seasonal flu kills far more young children every year in this country than covid has since the outbreak started in March of last year.

We don’t require kids to get vaccines for viruses that are not dangerous to them. This is an unconstitutional federalization of vaccine mandate that has never occurred in the history of the country. State and local governments have the right to make decisions as they see fit. The federal government cannot bigfoot itself on top of those state requirements. And again, those viruses that he mentioned are far more dangerous and deadly to children than covid is.

BUCK: This is why I was saying weeks ago — and had a conversation with certain governor about getting ahead of this by creating protections because, as you heard when Senator Cruz was on, they are planning on making people get the shot now and worrying about the legal battle later.

So if you’re gonna bend the knee in a red state with a very Republican population — and a small population at that — to corporations and not defend people now, what you do in six months in court ain’t gonna matter. That’s the point. And that’s why you’ll notice, who is he going after? Who is Biden going after? Florida and Texas, because they’ve taken actions right now, and they have large populations and so are more of a target for the Democrat Party at a national level.

But, Clay, that’s important. Everybody says, “Oh, it’s unconstitutional.” Yeah, they probably know that deep down, but the point is, once you got the shot, you got the shot, and they’re putting the mandates in place now. So you gotta take action before the needle goes in the arm. I speak of something, unfortunately, of which I know.

Clay, you mentioned the data, by the way. I pulled it up because you keep saying more dangerous than, right? Okay. The covid-19 virus is a one-in-a-million disease in terms of fatality for children under the age of 12. I think it’s under the age of 18, but certainly, you have a one-in-a-million shot. If you were to, say, get measles, let’s say three in a thousand children die.

CLAY: Way more dangerous.

BUCK: Three in a thousand is very different from one in a million. We can all do the math on this, right? You have a thousand times greater likelihood — if you’re talking about one in a thousand, let’s say — dying of measles than you do of covid as a child. And then polio, which of course also has… Paralytic polio. You’re talking about kids are gonna be paralyzed.

It’s about two to 5% among children. So if you have a hundred kids that get polio; three, four, five of them might be paralyzed for life. Not one in a million. It’s out of a hundred. Entirely different. This is like when they say, “Oh, what about the smallpox.” Smallpox kills 30% of all people who get it!

It wiped out the native population in America. Ninety-seven percent of indigenous populations in America were killed by smallpox, not actually by the evil white colonial settlers. So that’s something that I think we should factor into our discussion here about risk and the realities therein.

CLAY: And to put it into context even more, your kids and my kids –because, again, I care about my kids more than anything. If I believed I was putting them at risk by sending them to school without masks and without vaccines, guess what? I wouldn’t do it. They matter more to me than anything in the world, like your kids and your grandkids matter to you.

Unfortunately, your kids are far more likely to drown than they are to die of covid. Your kids are far more likely to be murdered than they are to die of covid. Your kids are far more likely to commit suicide than they are to die of covid. Your kids are far more likely to die of the seasonal flu. I ask you this for this reason.

Part of being an adult, maybe the most important part, is understanding how to assess risk and raising your kids to do the same. Would you consider it to be psychologically stable if your neighbor said, “I’m not putting my kids in school this year because I’m worried that they’re going to get murdered going in the car.

Somebody’s gonna drive-by shoot them or they’re gonna die in a car accident driving to school.” Would that be a psychologically healthy idea? The answer for almost everybody out there is, no, I would worry about the psychological health of a parent making that choice. Guess what? The kids are under far more danger of dying driving to and from school and of being murdered than they are from covid.

Rational adults have to look at evidence and teach kids how to rationally assess risk. Swimming is dangerous. But we don’t tell kids they can never get in a lake or get in a swimming pool. We try to make sure that we are making smart decisions. We can’t hide in our basement like Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential campaign for the rest of our lives.

BUCK: Remember how I brought up sharks and shark attacks and how we all fixate on it, Clay?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: What I’ve actually realized is we are not even… When it comes to covid the analogy isn’t we are scared as a culture, as a society of shark attacks in just the ocean. We’ve now turned into a country where people are scared in their swimming pool. “I don’t know, maybe there’s a shark or a gator got in here.”

CLAY: By the way, after I saw watched Jaws the first time, I was. That’s how scared I was of water.

BUCK: You go in the deep end, something tugs at your foot, you think, “We’ve turned into a society that’s worried about being eaten by a great white shark seven feet deep in their freshwater swimming pool because we’ve seen too many movies.” That’s what’s actually happened here.

CLAY: That’s a good analogy.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BIDEN: Wall Street firms have analyzed the impact of these plans, and they’re projecting that these new requirements will help 12 million more Americans get vaccinated, which will help more businesses stay open and more Americans back to work. The data shows the overwhelming majority of Americans agree with my proposal. That is no surprise, given that 76% of American adults have already gotten at least one shot.

BUCK: Bumbling, stumbling Biden there is like, “Get vaccinated! It’ll also boost the economy. It’s all tied together. Do what we say. We have all the answers, even though we’re constantly wrong and making a mess of everything. But listen to us.” That’s really the Democrat mantra: “We’re constantly wrong, but you have to keep listening to us no matter what.” Okay. I say, no. I say that’s a bad idea. I think that’s something that we should reject out of hand. We got a lot of calls here, and we have not a whole lot of time. Clay, what do you say? Want to get to it?

CLAY: Let’s dive in.

BUCK: Natalie in Scottsdale, Arizona. I’ve always wanted to go to Scottsdale. People say I would love it.

CALLER: (laughing)

CLAY: It’s a fantastic place. You haven’t been?

BUCK: Never been.

CALLER: It’s a great place. I’m a native. I’m gonna be real quick ’cause I know you had a whole lot of people. But I had an experience with neutered individual —

CLAY: (chuckling)

CALLER: — like that man in Target when I went to Walmart, and the man at the door said, “Excuse me, ma’am, masks are required,” and I said, “No, thank you.” I was nice, smiled. The neutered man behind me said, “Uh, ma’am, he said masks are required.” So I looked him in the eye and I said… I won’t use the actual swear words. I said, “Mind your own business, MF-er,” and —

CLAY: (chuckling)

CALLER: — I walked away, aware of him to come in after he got down wiping down his little card and I told him, “Hey! You ain’t my daddy. You don’t pay my bills. You don’t tell me what to do.” I said, “It’s a good way to get your face chewed off, MF-er,” and he walked his tail between his legs to the back of the store.

And I didn’t have a problem. And that’s how you have to handle these people. Unfortunately, we have too many neutered individuals, and I’m sorry, men out there? Don’t fall for this. The feminazis may not want you, but the real women do. We like manly men. We like to you stand up for us. We like you to be a gentleman.

We like you to hold open the doors. We like to you treat us like. We like you to pay for a dinner. It’s okay. Don’t listen the feminazis. They are the crap stains of America. And Joe Biden says parents are a danger to their kids? No, the only thing that’s (laughing) dangerous to our kids or to children is Joe Biden.

BUCK: Well, I gotta say, Natalie. I think I may be looking at real estate in Scottsdale now.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I gotta move to Scottsdale, Arizona, apparently.

CLAY: I will say this. As a single man, Scottsdale, Arizona, is a top 10 hot woman city in America. I have been out in Scottsdale and looked around and been like, “How is this place real?” In all honesty. I remember sitting with a buddy and being like, I don’t even know where they sell clothes like these that the women were wearing. I’ll tell you, single men you’ll have a good time in Scottsdale.

BUCK: Sounds like Promised Land. Good heavens.

CLAY: It is the Promised Land.

BUCK: Let’s just see. We have Cliff in Fayetteville, North Carolina. What’s up, Cliff?

CALLER: Hey, what’s up? Well, I’m one of those manly men! (laughing)

BUCK: I’ll see you in Scottsdale, Cliff.

CLAY: (laughing)

CALLER: Well, so, anyway, you know, because of these frigging idiotic vaccine mandates, my wife has health insurance through her company.

CLAY: Yep.

CALLER: And now they have required that all unvaccinated employees get the vaccine or pay an extra $100 a month until you get that vaccine.

CLAY: I’ve heard about this. I’ve heard about this. And thanks for the call. And this is where, again, if you have natural immunity, you’re actually more protected than the people who are vaccinated. But this is where they’re trying to do everything they can to basically force you to get the vaccine, right, Buck? This is what’s going on.

BUCK: Yeah. They’re saying we’re not going to make you but they’re just going to make your life miserable. It would be like telling somebody, “I’m not going to evict you from your apartment. I’m just going to turn off your heat –”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: “– and your hot water and make sure that your neighbors throw the loudest parties imaginable. But I’m not making you leave your apartment.” That is what the government, Biden, Fauci approach is — and remember, for our lady before from Scottsdale, still on our mind over here at the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. You could always just tell ’em to go Fauci themselves, and you could always say that to TV too. So there you go.

CLAY: What about Nick in Orlando, here, Buck? Let’s see what Nick has to say.

BUCK: What do you got, Nick?

CALLER: Hey, Clay and Buck, thanks for having me. My name is Nick Caturano. I’m a cast member for 16 years. With the Disney mandates and me recently getting covid, I started reviewing all the data, and we did the ivermectin, my wife and I, and got better. And one thing led to the other, and I decided to stand up against the mandates by myself, together with the help of an organization County Citizens Defending Freedom, CCDF.

We launched a campaign. We have a website, GoofyVaccine.com, and we are getting the word out. And I wrote an op-ed explaining all the reasons that these mandates don’t make any sense. And all the high hospitalization and death rates are based on the fact that they’re suppressing early treatments and the treatments that they are given in the hospitals are literal killing people. And we have set up a rally tomorrow here in Orlando and simultaneously in Anaheim, California, for cast members and all freedom-loving people and people who believe in freedom of choice.

CLAY: Nick, do you hear a lot of people who are Disney cast members who are mandated to have the vaccine having the same kind of concerns as you? In other words, is this something that people are responding to?

CALLER: Well, in the beginning, it was just nobody… People started one by one. I’m a leader in Disney. I’ve defended a lot of people in other areas as a shop steward. And one by one people started confiding in me saying that they thought they were the only ones here and then they discovered I felt that way.

And little by little, once I’ve gone forward, and we’ve been doing a lot of national press and conservative radio, I’m getting hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of emails coming in saying the same thing. “We’re isolated. We’re scared. We don’t even know who to talk to. We don’t even know if anybody feels like us.”

CLAY: Thank you for the call, and I’m sorry to cut you off ’cause we’re finishing the show. But I will say this. Joe Biden keeps hammering home “the majority of people agreed with when it comes to vaccine requirements.” What I would tell all of you out there is we gotta stop worrying about whether the majority agrees and start worrying about whether the minority is right. We are right.

BUCK: This is like Einstein. “It doesn’t matter how many people disagree with me; it only takes one to prove me wrong,” and that’s what we have to remember in all this. It’s supposed to be about the proof, the science, the data. But you’ll notice, they’re a little light on that these days.

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A Very Interesting Statistic Out of the State of Florida

16 Sep 2021

BUCK: This is from somebody in the comms office for Governor Ron DeSantis. She just shared this. It’s a blue check, Christina Pushaw.

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: She wrote, “Just now @GovRonDeSantis said: At the Broward monoclonal antibody treatment site…” Actually, you know what, Clay? What percentage…? Let me ask, ’cause I didn’t show this to you before. By the way, this is unfair, but I think it’ll make a point here: What percentage of people at the Broward County, Florida, monoclonal antibody site so they’re getting treatment ’cause they’re really sick and they’re worried, are vaccinated?

CLAY: So positive from Florida, by the way, hospitalizations are going down substantially. You probably haven’t heard that anywhere in the media it’s because not Florida-is-burning level. So that’s a positive there. I would bet, I would get, given that rate of vaccination there, I bet it’s close to 50-50.

BUCK: Wow. Look at you, Mr. Travis.

CLAY: Did I nail it?

BUCK: Nailed it. I did not tell him this beforehand, folks. I would be perfectly happy if Clay had said 5%; I could have made fun of him. It’s 52%. You totally nailed it. For 65 plus, that percentage vaccinated is even higher.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Clay, something’s going on here, my man.

CLAY: Yeah. Look, and we’re just sharing the data with you, and it is significant, and it is a bit scary. What we were told was, if you got the vaccine, you would never have to worry about covid, and there’s ample evidence out there it’s not true.

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General Milley Bragged About His Treason

16 Sep 2021

BUCK: First of all, North Korea fired off a missile. South Korea fired off a missile. Hmm. We can break a bit of that down for you. This is usually North Korea wants attention. That’s what that is. North Korea wants the whole international community to go into a short frenzy of, “Oh, my gosh! North Korea’s missiles are scary and getting worse.”

Reminder that no one has yet figured out how to get them to stop doing the things that they do. No administration has yet been successful in getting North Korea to open up, to stop being the totalitarian nightmare that it is. We’ll spend more time on that in a moment, but Clay and I yesterday you were talking to you about General Milley, and this guy’s gotten a lot of attention because the Bob Woodward book that is out now.

Peril, I believe, it’s called. And see, here we are. You get the whole news cycle. You get everyone talking about this guy’s book. It’s amazing marketing. But he does have quite a scoop, and the scoop, if you recall, revolves around conversations between General Milley and the Chinese People’s Liberation Army equivalent, right? Their version of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff about how Donald Trump might be so outlandish, crazy, reckless, dangerous, that he would start a war with China.

But don’t worry, General Milley — and this is the part they always leave out. General Milley would reach out to China to say, “We’re gonna attack you or not gonna attack you, and you can trust me. Forget about what the commander-in-chief, Donald Trump, at the time may be saying.” Former secretary of state Mike Pompeo has taken a line that sounds very much in line with what we said here on the show yesterday, Clay, that the idea that there was a threat of war with China and Milley needed to even have this conversation is absurd.

POMPEO: All this has as a predicate, this idea that somehow there was this fear, there were cabinet members running around concerned that Donald Trump was gonna engage in some kind of rogue activity or some kind of act of war to sort of lash out. This never happened. It’s just patently absurd, and so the entire predicate for all of this assessment that Woodward has now laid out in his book, we’ll see what turns out. But make no mistake about it: During that entire time — the entire time I served, all four years — we conducted orderly foreign policy. We had a national security team that was working hard to make sure that we made the best decisions we possibly could.

CLAY: This is… Look, I saw Senator Duckworth from Illinois come out and say effectively that she was troubled by this. She’s of course formerly in the military. And I don’t see how anyone can have heard these allegations, have read this story in any way, and not be troubled at the lightest level about it. And we really need — and we’ll talk to Ted Cruz about this because he has tweeted about this as well.

We’re gonna primarily focus on the border, but we’re gonna talk with Ted Cruz about this as well. Because General Milley needs to have to sit down in front of the Senate and answer questions about what he was doing and why he was doing it. Now, the Pentagon has tried to release a statement, Buck — we read it yesterday, I believe — saying that he did nothing improper.

But also, yesterday — and I’m surprised this didn’t get more attention, but I think it probably should have — the acting defense secretary said this was done without his knowledge, that it violated chain of command, and that General Milley should have to resign because of it. And remember, this doesn’t even need us to examine his disastrous management of what went on in Afghanistan.

This is totally separate from that but indicative of him violating what I think is the most sacrosanct prohibition that exists in the United States, which is the military exists at the command of the commander-in-chief, who is a civilian. And that is by design. And he directly challenged that by his actions.

BUCK: We saw with James Comey somebody who was a narcissistic, political actor posing as a guardian of the republic who was beyond reproach. And anybody who was suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome saw that lanky weirdo for what he really was. But there are a lot of people bought into it because they hated Trump so much.

But remember his whole posturing initially before he was showing up at Democrat fundraisers — McCabe, too, by the way, his deputy. They were close buddies at the FBI. We figured out that that was a guy who was very partisan, wrapping himself in the cover of somebody who is actually just doing the job.

When you look at General Milley and some of the surrounding circumstances here, it increasingly looks like this is a guy who was in his heart, in his mind a partisan leftist. I mean, Clay, he apologized for appearing with President Trump in Lafayette Square back in June when the BLM riots were going on, and that was actually not a President Trump photo-op.

There was a full investigation. That was a lie by the media that they cleared the square so Trump could walk there and take a photo. That was not true. But Milley apologized for even being present. He has expressed public support for the Black Lives Matter protests/riots. Remember, those riots are good. The January 6 riot is bad.

He also, while there’s these long-established protocols about the nuclear chain of command, there are allegations made in the Wall Street Journal here that go through the book in detail that, Clay, he might have set up this special chain of command, that Milley might have done this after phone calls with Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is not the commander-in-chief, thank God.

CLAY: (laughing) I’m just… Sorry. I’m just picturing Nancy Pelosi as a commander-in-chief and picturing her kneeling in the Ghanaian garb. What a joke she is. But, anyway, the General Milley focus here. I think, again, what is so amazing about this, Buck, is not only that he did it, but that either he or people close to him bragged that he did it to Bob Woodward.

Like nobody would have even known that this happened. Not only did he potentially commit a court-martial offense, but he was so proud of doing it that he bragged about it. This is like you get away with a crime, right? If you’re a bank robber, you get away with robbing the bank and then you so want credit for the brilliance of your bank robbery that you then do an interview, so people know how you did the bank robbery. It’s really amazing levels of conceit and also believing that you are above the law and above your station in life and that your military oath doesn’t even matter.

BUCK: Right. Well, that’s what I wanted to add to here, Clay, and that’s the principles that are at work all the sudden disappear because it has to do with Trump, right? The Orange Man bad mentality overrides so many things. We would like to believe it wouldn’t override law enforcement, the Department of Justice at the highest level.

We saw that was not true with Comey and McCabe and other people who were, honestly, humiliated insofar as they violated the oath of their position, in some cases with actual sanction. Like McCabe, of course, was fired and Comey was fired. But we hoped that this would not have infected the military in this way. But Mike Pompeo, who is a veteran as well as being the former CIA director and former secretary of state made it very clear that this was in fact a usurpation.

POMPEO: Unconstitutional, incomprehensible, and completely out of line for any military leader, certainly someone who’s in the role that the chief of staff is in. You described it. Gregg Jarrett described it too. He’s simply an adviser. He’s not in the chain of command for operational activity. So this would be dangerous and usurpation of authority that is historically anomalous and we should make sure that we as quickly as we can figure out if General Milley spoke to Woodward himself.

We should find out if General Milley’s prepared to testify, we can do it tomorrow or the next day to get clarity about what General Milley said. I don’t know the DOD’s policy, Sean, exactly on whether there would be a transcript of this phone call, but I promise you there were no takers in the room. I am very confident that that conversation could be reconstructed. If you had a senior military leader who was simply an adviser.

BUCK: We need answers, man. You know, they hold hearings over things on Capitol Hill far less significant than whether the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff created an extraconstitutional communication channel around the commander-in-chief having to do with a possible military or even nuclear first strike. That’s a big deal.

CLAY: Yeah. And again, I think the big deal that we talked about as this story emerged — and you know this better than most, having been in intelligence — is imagine how this back-channel conversation scrambles all Chinese analysis of American power and how that can then lead to a further miscalculation — or, heck, maybe it helps to explain the aggressiveness towards Hong Kong.

Maybe it helps to explain the aggressiveness towards Taiwan, is that we have so neutered ourselves and our own president in private conversations China that Chinese leadership knows that America doesn’t have the backbone to stand up to them at all, and certainly that’s the case with Joe Biden who, frankly, does he have the backbone to hardly stand up and answer 10 minutes of questions from the media without getting his mic cut off or without being told that he shouldn’t be doing it.

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Pelosi: Overlook Genocide, Work with China on Climate

16 Sep 2021

BIDEN: When I rejoined the Paris climate accord after we had been pulled out of it, the goal set when our administrate — last administration, the Obama-Biden administration, when that was set, they were said (sic) that we had more time. We don’t have the time now. The goals differ because the necessity is there. We don’t have a lot of time. We don’t have much more than 10 years. For real.

BUCK: I didn’t. (impression) “We don’t have time. We’re running out of time.” Every 10 years, you have some new push — it’s really every five years, but every 10 years for sure — that if we don’t do all this Green New Deal, socialism craziness right away, the whole country’s gonna fall apart. It’s an existential threat.

That is, in fact, the language that they frequently use, an existential threat to the human race, to our species. So they can justify anything under that rubric, right? They can tell you we can run every aspect of your life, even more so than covid.

And remember, they’re already making noise about how the science has justified all these extreme measures and overreaction on covid. And they want that same mobilization of sciency authoritarianism in order to get more of their climate change agenda through. Clay, you have a quote — this is incredible — from Pelosi. Can you share this Pelosi quote with everybody?

CLAY: Yeah, that ties in on the same level. And we may grab this audio. I just sent it, so we got audio of it too. But Speaker Pelosi being interviewed said, “Yes, China has committed genocide against the Uyghurs.” Then she says, “Having said that, the bigger, overriding issue is working together on climate.”

So genocide, not that big a deal. We’ll just overlook the genocide. You know, basically Speaker Pelosi is saying, “Hey, if the Nazis had been big climate change people, we would have been like, ‘Hey, maybe we don’t need to fight them because the bigger, overriding issue… Yes, incrementing genocide, but the bigger overriding issue is the climate.'” This is the argument that Nancy Pelosi is basically making.

We’ll just give the Germans Europe, Buck, because, you know what? They’re on the right side of the climate issue. Yes, we’re a little bit uncomfortable with the totalitarianism and the Hitler and the heil Hitler chants and everything else, but they’re on the right side when it comes to climate. So we’re gonna overlook everything else.

BUCK: Climate change is a religious belief for people who think they’re too smart for religion and are wrong.

CLAY: Which is really well said.

BUCK: Well, thank you.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: If you had one of those graphs that shows belief, if you had a Venn diagram, those who are climate change alarmists and extremists and those who quadruple mask and want to force the sixth booster shot into your 8-year-old’s arm because, God forbid, the virus that has already spread to more than half the country, by the way, if we really do the extrapolation.

The virus that has already just ripped through the country for going on 18 months, two years now. They’re willing to go through any extreme on covid, and they also will justify anything. Working with a genocidal regime. Okay, maybe we don’t like that, Clay. But how good are their solar panels? This is an actual Democrat thought process.

CLAY: It’s like saying, other than the serial killing he did, he’s a pretty good dude. You know, Jeffrey Dahmer, yes, he killed a lot of people, chopped ’em up, and he ate ’em. But he was on the right side of climate change, and that’s why it’s important to work with him.

BUCK: This is also something that you see come up where the leftists know that this is a card they can play. Climate change is always a card whenever they want to change a subject, get the base all fired up. For a while they would do this also with guns, and that will come back. You remember when Harvey Weinstein got into his initial trouble.

He put out some statement that was like, “We’re gonna have an investigation of whether I was sexually assaulting all these women, but I’m gonna take some time to really go after the NRA now.” That was a real thing that happened. Climate change is also the get-out-of-jail-free card whenever Democrats want it.

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Study: It’s the Vaccinated Who Are Spreading Covid

16 Sep 2021

CLAY: That video that we played for you earlier of the black family that’s being kicked out of a New York restaurant for not showing their vaccine papers is I think going to spread virally very rapidly because it calls into question what we talked about, Buck, we said: As soon as these vaccine papers start to get enforced, minorities who are the least vaccinated in New York City are going to be living in a Jim Crow-like era where there is one rule for the vaccinated and one rule for the unvaccinated.

As you just said as we went to break — and this would be a blockbuster revelation if it’s proven to be true — there is a study out there that suggests that one reason why we have seen such a rise of late in covid is because people who are vaccinated are spreading covid more frequently than people who are unvaccinated.

This would flip everything on its head, Buck, because all of these vaccinated people who are lecturing the unvaccinated people about how unsafe they’re making it, it may well be — and look, this is wild. I just want you to think about it. According to this study, as we have rapidly increased the number of people that we have vaccinated, simultaneously the number of people testing positive for covid has skyrocketed.

Why would that be? It doesn’t necessarily follow logical sense. This is one potential explanation. And for people out there asking, “Okay, where is this coming from?” This is, as you said, Buck — and I’m reading it right now — a pretty significant study that is going to be printed that, as you run through it — and again, I’m not a doctor. But it talks about the spread of the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. And there is an argument here based on this article that the unvaccinated are spreading covid more than the unvaccinated.

BUCK: Right. And essentially it creates a situation where the young and healthier who are vaccinated are more likely to have no symptoms at all, right?

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Remember, what’s the best thing you can do during flu season? We go back to when we were still normal in our psychology about all these things. You’re stick, you stay home. You stay away from people right ’cause you’re gonna infecting people and you try to limit it that way. So imagine if we had a flu season where you had a whole lot people with very heavy viral load who felt 100% fine, right?

You would see enormous spikes in the spread of that disease. There’s also something that, again, I am not a doctor… I wish… We should have ask Dr. Makary about this, but we’ll have our friend Berenson on who’s also not a doc, but he was right on the Israeli data as we have all been telling everybody. And now even the Biden administration, right now, Clay, there’s a fight over do we need boosters, do we not need boosters?

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: People are going back and forth over this.

CLAY: And the age range. I think that may end up being ultimately the determinative, maybe you’re over 50 or 60 you get a booster but if you’re 22, you don’t need a booster.

BUCK: Basically like how we deal with the flu in this country, which is my parents get the flu shot. I say, “Yeah, you guys should get the flu shot.” I don’t want them getting hospitalized or worse with the flu so they get the flu shot. But this is something… I’m putting this out there again ’cause this has been brought to my attention by doctors who will talk to me and never want to…

I don’t want to speak out ’cause I don’t want to lose their license or have people, you know, send them death threats. But this is from National Geographic, Clay, as we talk about this and then we have to get to this mask shaming lunatic. I just want to put this out there for people. “Over the past 50 years, Marek’s disease,” this is from 2015, “an illness of fowl has become fouler.

“Marek’s disease is caused by a highly contagious virus related to those that cause herpes in humans. It spread to the dust of contaminated chicken coops and causes both paralysis and cancer. In the 1970s, new vaccines brought the disease under control. But Merrick’s disease didn’t go gently into that good night.

“Within 10 years, it started evolving into more virulent strains which now trigger more severe cancers and afflict chickens at earlier ages.” Now, this is an example of a totally different disease from covid-19, and I don’t understand the… But this is an example of what can happen when a vaccine is called leaky.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Do we have…? This is the question that I would want to pose to an MD. Again, I don’t know. But I have seen what’s going on. We have seen the data. Do we have a leaky vaccine here? And what are the implications of that? We know it doesn’t stop the virus.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: It doesn’t stop the virus from being spread.

CLAY: That case scenario at this point’s a flu shot, basically.

BUCK: And you start to look at some of this stuff. Remember they’ve been telling us, “Oh, it’s the unvaccinated who are the reservoirs for the new variant or for a mutation. Well, based on Marek’s disease, it was actually a vaccine in that case. This is from National Geographic, folks. This isn’t from right-wing HateVacc.com or something.

That can actually create the reservoirs for the disease to spread very rapidly and evolve in hosts who stay alive, and this can be — the Marek’s disease can be — a big problem. I’m just putting it out there.

CLAY: I think it’s worth considering.

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  • FOXNews: Pompeo on Milley allegations: We need to get to the bottom of this as quickly as possible
  • National Geographic: Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses
  • Daily Caller: Pelosi: Yeah Yeah Yeah, China Is Genociding Uyghurs, But US Has To Work With Them Because Of Climate Change
  • Washington Examiner: After recall, Newsom to require COVID vaccine proof or negative test at smaller indoor events
  • UK Daily Mail: Moderna says people who received its Covid vaccine last year are nearly TWICE as likely to get a breakthrough infection compared to those who got the shot recently
  • Reuters: Moderna says COVID-19 vaccine protection wanes, makes case for booster
  • New York Times: U.S. Booster Policy Is in Flux as Studies Add to Dissent
  • Breitbart: CDC Numbers Reveal Nearly One in 500 Americans Dead from Chinese Coronavirus
  • Daily Caller: Sen. Ron Johnson Demands Answers On Study Of COVID-19 Natural Immunity
  • PJ Media: The Death of Science – Victor Davis Hanson
  • PJ Media: It’s Starting to Seem Like the Pandemic Is a Problem the Biden Administration Doesn’t Really Want to Solve
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    Recall Recap: Look Out Kamala, Here Comes Gavin Newsom

    15 Sep 2021

    BUCK: First, we have to make some sense of the situation here in California where Republican Larry Elder is not, in fact, unfortunately, going to be the next governor. Governor Gavin Newsom, the oleaginous Democrat of the state of California —

    CLAY: Look at you, SAT word!

    BUCK: You like that one? I thought you’d like that.

    CLAY: What percentage of our audience knows that word?

    BUCK: A lot. Everybody knows “oleaginous.” It’s a great word.

    CLAY: (chuckling)

    BUCK: The point here being, Mr. Clay, that he is an oily used car salesman individual who somehow — actually, it’s not surprising. With millions and millions of dollars raised and spent with the entire Democratic power apparatus behind him deploying Joe Biden, deploying Barack Obama.

    The fact that California is turning into increasingly an unlivable hellscape in the major cities. There is crime, there is vagrancy, there are brownouts, there are wildfires, there are all these things; all levels of government mismanaged. But if you tell your base, if you tell registered Democrats the state of California, Trumpism or Trump himself in some manifestation is on the ballot, you get a replay — which is what it looks like we have — of the 2020 election in the state of California. What do you see from the data?

    CLAY: So, we haven’t seen the full numbers that are out, right? The numbers I’m looking at are about 70% are in, but it looks almost identical to what happened in the 2020 presidential election, which would suggest that nothing has really changed in California and that people are still substantially wedded to whatever belief they had in 2020; it hasn’t changed as we move into 2021.

    What I would say in general is California, to me, is a sign of what happens when you believe that your side is always right. And I understand that we’re in a tribal era and everybody just automatically… It doesn’t matter what the situation is. We’ll talk about this, I’m certain, with General Milley. What I try to do is apply consistent logic to stories, and that doesn’t happen very much, right?

    And that’s why I think Republicans right now do a better job of applying logic to stories and moving on reason as opposed to emotion. But they were able to tug on those emotional heartstrings of Donald Trump as the bogeyman that’s always underneath the bed for Democrats, that they are able to turn him into a way to get people, a motivator to get people out to vote.

    What’s challenging, I think, in general is — and this is what we’ve talked about a lot on this show, Buck — how do you break through, and what does a breakthrough look like? And maybe the answer is gonna be 2022 is gonna be a lot like 2016 and 2018 and 2020 and we’re basically just in such of a 50-50 America that it’s almost impossible for somebody to get to 55-45, right? God forbid, 60-40.

    And so that’s what I keep waiting for is when logic and truth and sanity is going to break out and we’re going to have such a win that one of the political parties has to go look at itself in the mirror and say, “Okay, it’s time to adjust.” Let me explain what I mean by that. Defeat is oftentimes clarifying, right? Anybody who’s ever played a sport, if you put out your best game plan and you get your ass kicked, it’s maybe a sign that your best game plan wasn’t the right one.

    And so Democrats’ game plan is “everything is racist” right now. That’s their entire game plan. That’s what they ran on in 2016. That’s what they doubled down on in 2020. It’s identity politics. It’s cancel culture. It’s that world that they have created. And so far, they haven’t gotten their teeth kicked in in an election where they’ve had to say, “Hey, you know what? This is not a message that resonates in America,” and similarly the Democrats —

    BUCK: They’re going in the opposite direction now. They’re saying that this actually proves everything that Gavin Newsom did was correct, that everything that Gavin Newsom has instituted from the covid vaccines and from everything that’s happening. This was actually, instead of a moment here where we say, “Wow. Look at Californians finally,” and some level, this is what you were alluding to earlier in the week when the numbers were quite different from what they’re looking to be.

    “Wow. They actually can pay attention to results and not just ideological political tribalism.” What we actually have here is, no, they’ll forget about the hypocrisy of Newsom at French Laundry. They’ll decide that the brownouts and the vagrancy and the broad daylight shoplifting without a care in the world in San Francisco and Los Angeles, that doesn’t matter as much as Orange Man Bad, even though Orange Man — in this case Trump, of course — isn’t on the ballot, isn’t in office, and has nothing to do any of this, but they can just get the base motivated to turn out in very similar numbers by percentage to what we saw in 2020.

    CLAY: That’s exactly what I was gonna say, in many ways, is that Democrats are going to argue, “Trumpism lost again. The Republican Party, as long as it stays committed to Donald Trump, is impossible of winning on a major level.” And both sides, I think, are able to look at the result of 2020 and argue, “Hey, if we just tweak things a little bit more, we would have won by a substantial margin,” and so you’re basically setting up — and we’ll see what happens — in 2022, where there’s a large expectation that so many people are so dug in, to use your Maginot Line theory, right?

    BUCK: Oui, monsieur.

    CLAY: We just basically have both sides in their readouts set up in their bunkers.

    BUCK: There was no real ground game here against liberalism in California, and now, of course, the narrative — and we have here Gavin Newsom saying what his… I mean, look… (laughing) This guy, Gavin Newsom, he’s so shameless that there’s almost a level of respect, right? This is the guy that, you know, would buy the car off of you for half what you paid it and then try to sell it back to you for twice. I mean, it doesn’t matter right? He’ll say whatever, do whatever.

    CLAY: That’s great way to describe him.

    BUCK: Here he is talking about his assessment of what went on here.

    NEWSOM: “No” it’s not the only thing that was expressed tonight. Uh, I want to focus on what we said “yes” to as a state. We said “yes” to science. We said “yes” to vaccines. We said “yes” to ending this pandemic. We said “yes” to people’s right to vote without fear of fake fraud or voter suppression. We said “yes” to women’s fundamental constitutional right to decide for herself what she does with her body, her fate and future. We said “yes” to Diversity. We said “yes” to inclusion. We said “yes” to pluralism. We said “yes” to all those things that we hold dear as Californians and, I would argue, as Americans.

    BUCK: Who says “no” to science, by the way?

    CLAY: Well, Democrats.

    BUCK: This is a straw man argument.

    CLAY: The people who are making us wear masks. The people who are insisting that you can’t have natural immunity. I mean, there’s a large amount of science that Democrats are saying “no” to, I would argue. But that sounds to me, Buck… If I’m Kamala Harris, my antennae are going up. That doesn’t sound like a “Hey, I won a recall election.” That sounds like a “Hey, this is why I need to the president of the United States,” right? Because we’ve talked about what is going to happen, unless they try to — ’cause this is another takeaway here.

    BUCK: You love the comeback story, man. Whether it’s Cuomo or now Newsom, you think they go the distance.

    CLAY: I just think that when we look at 2024, I don’t think that they can drag — I keep using an example, because I think it’s an accurate, you know, sort of pop culture reference —

    BUCK: How many in audience have seen Weekend at Bernie’s? I hope everyone gets the point. It’s an absurd movie. It is like the most absurd movie of all time. There’s a guy… There’s like some finance bros in the eighties who want to go to like a guy’s house?

    CLAY: Look up the Wikipedia for Weekend at Bernie’s, and I’ll give a perfect plot synopsis for people out there who haven’t seen it. Basically, a dead man has a really amazing house and I think he’s like the uncle of these guys, and in order to be able to have the lifestyle that they want, they take the dead body around and pretend that Bernie is still alive.

    BUCK: It’s one of the most absurd movies ever made, actually, when you think about it.

    CLAY: Yes. And then as absurd as Weekend at Bernie’s 1 was, they made Weekend at Bernie’s 2!

    BUCK: I was unaware of that.

    CLAY: Oh, yeah. Weekend at Bernie’s 2 came out and that is where… So Biden getting elected is the Democrat version of Weekend at Bernie’s, right? They had to just drag him around; they got him across the finish line. Now they’re gonna try Weekend at Bernie’s 2. I don’t even think that’s gonna work. So there’s going to be somebody who runs, right? And we know this, that’s different, I think, than Joe Biden, very likely.

    So Kamala Harris is going to be the presumptive favorite because it’s racist and sexist if she’s not the nominee based on the Democratic platform right now. But when I hear that Gavin Newsom argument, it doesn’t sound like an argument about the recall. It’s a forward-thinking argument for the validation of all of his policies in California writ large in America. I’m wondering if he’s gonna try to run.

    BUCK: Now he also becomes, unfortunately, there’s a little bit of a snap-back here, if you will, because the right… Remember in The Wire, right? If you come at the king, you must not miss, right?

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: We came at Newsom here, the Republicans did, and others in California, and they missed, and so now what ends up happening — politically speaking of course.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: Now what ends up happening, Clay, is he turns around and says, “I am actually the one who stood athwart the anti-science Republican effort to tear down the Fauciite edifice that we need to build. I’m the one that people need to rally around.” He is going to position himself now as the left’s Ron DeSantis. Watch it happen.

    CLAY: Yes. I think that’s right.

    BUCK: ‘Cause that’s the move, right? You’re talking about who knows what’s gonna happen in four-years. Who knows where we’re gonna be in 2024. But for right now, think of all the political capital he can gather by becoming the leader of the Democrat governors during the pandemic now and say, “I even withstood not just the pandemic, but those underhanded Trumpist attempts to take me out of office when I was saving us.” I could write the PR bull crap that they’re gonna be putting out there. I don’t want help him too much.

    CLAY: There’s no Cuomo now to try to take away the attention. He is the standard-bearer for the left-wing response to covid.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    CLAY: The Gavin Newsom recall election attempt failed, and you knew what was gonna happen when it fails — and we were just talking about this. Gavin Newsom then makes a play to become the standard-bearer of his party, especially in the wake now of Cuomo being off the stage. Gavin Newsom didn’t just say that he was avoiding being recalled; he also used it as an opportunity to attack Donald Trump and “the big lie.” Here is Gavin Newsom:

    NEWSOM: (snickering) Democracy is not a football. You don’t throw it around. It’s more like a — I don’t know — antique vase. You can drop it and smash it in a million different pieces, and that’s what we’re capable of doing (snickers) if we don’t stand up to meet the moment and push back. I said this many, many times on the campaign trail.

    You know, we may have defeated Trump, but Trumpism is not dead in this country. The big lie, January 6th insurrection, all the voting-suppression efforts that are happening all across this country, what’s happening, the assaults on fundamental rights, constitutionally protected rights of women and girls. It’s a remarkable moment in our nation’s history.

    CLAY: That is Gavin Newsom. Look out, Kamala Harris! He’s coming for your spot as the presumptive nominee. Would he have the gumption to challenge her after she is also, obviously, a Californian and spent a lot of time campaigning for him? Do you think he’d do it, Buck?

    BUCK: You’d have to say, “Who would the Democrat apparatus go for? Who would they rather have?” I think there’s a very clear recognition even among — and I’m talking about the Democrats that I know. I have Democrat friends, people in our business that are on the left, and I’m talk to them from time to time. I think they know that originally, they believed Kamala Harris would, if put in this spot… Okay, she couldn’t get people to vote for her, but if you put her in the vice president role, it’s an easy job.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: And I think there’s some real remorse, if you will, from those — from the Biden campaign, the handlers around him — that put her in that position. Look. Gavin Newsom, as much as it pains me to say this, is a more talented politician than Kamala Harris is. I think that’s quite clear. I think he’s a savvier guy, and so I gotta feel like they’d go… Remember, they jumped over Biden to give it to Hillary. Biden was the VP for eight years. So there’s precedent here.

    CLAY: The difference is — and I think it’s a fascinating discussion — the Democratic Party has leaned in even more to race and sex identity.

    BUCK: Yeah, but look who the president is, right?

    CLAY: Oh, I know.

    BUCK: You have the oldest white guy on the planet, basically. That’s who actually the president is.

    CLAY: That’s who Democrats actually supported. They didn’t like Kamala Harris. But I do think that that speech that we played a couple clips from for you from Gavin Newsom is what his campaign will be like if he decides to run.

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    Milley Defense: It’s Not Treason If It’s Against Trump

    15 Sep 2021

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: If it is actually true, which is hard to believe, that’s treason, and I would think… I’ve had so many calls today saying, “That’s treason!” You heard a lot of anger about China on trade and we made a great trade deal. You heard a lot of anger on China with the China virus. But for him to say that I would even think about attacking China? I think he’s trying to just get out of his incompetent withdrawal out of Afghanistan, the worst, the dumbest thing that anybody’s seen, probably the most embarrassing thing that’s ever happened to our country.

    BUCK: Once again, Trump cuts right to the heart of the matter. Welcome back the Clay and Buck show. This is Buck; that was Trump. Clay, just for everyone, this is a quick review here, right? This is from Reuters: “The top U.S. general secretly called his Chinese counterpart twice over concerns then-President Donald Trump could spark a war with China as his potential election loss loomed and in its aftermath, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday.” By the way, part of the whole system, the machinery of Woodward book promotion is hard at work here with the Washington Post.

    CLAY: Great intel. You just gotta the bow down at ’em. They’re so good at this.

    BUCK: They know how to do that, right? It also does seem to have been somewhat at least early corroboration and it certainly seems plausible. But before, Clay, we get into it, our initial reaction yesterday — I remember I said this to you — was, “Oh, they’re gonna say that he’s a hero for doing this, right?” The same way that the people that were trying to pretend Trump was crazy so he should be removed for the 25th Amendment, which is an abuse of the 25th Amendment.

    Clearly the president was of sound mind, but it wouldn’t have mattered because they wanted him gone. They’re already trying to normalize this back-channel communication. But what Trump said there, Clay, I think, is the single most important aspect of all this. The notion that Donald Trump was going to start a war with China is as insane as the notion that Donald Trump worked with Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election, but libs — because of Trump Derangement Syndrome — will believe anything about this guy.

    CLAY: Yeah. Look, I just want to focus on… So I think if he did this in the way that it was reported, I do think it’s treason. Okay? And I want to focus on a couple of angles here that we started to talk about yesterday, but I think are significant. And you know this, Buck, as somebody who worked in intelligence. If you have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs reaching out to his Chinese counterparts to let them know that he won’t be executing orders on behalf of President Trump if he disagrees with them, basically?

    That is such a fundamental fracturing of the American political process that it could have emboldened China to potentially invade Taiwan right? Milley thought that if you buy his version of the conversation that was told in the Woodward book that he was actually making the world safer. Chinese people who are advising Chairman Xi could have gone to him and said, “The United States politically is so fractured right now, the military will not support Donald Trump!

    “Now is the time, if ever, for us to invade Taiwan. I don’t believe the U.S. will be able to respond militarily.” So, Buck, you know how this stuff works from an intelligence fashion. If you knew that the top military official — or one of them — was contacting through back channels one of our American officials and saying, “Hey, I’m not going to follow the orders of the commander-in-chief,” would that not embolden you in some way for the incompetence that you are seeing on the other side?

    BUCK: Absolutely. It’s a very astute framing of the issue, Clay. I would also add a comparison, which is really just what you’re doing. But I would add a specific comparison: Remember during the transition with General Flynn, incoming national security adviser, we were told that it was a huge problem — a violation of the Logan Act — for the incoming national security adviser to have a conversation with his Russian counterpart, Ambassador Sergey Kislyak of the Russian embassy in the U.S.

    And all he said, and we actually… We’ve all seen the transcript. By the way, no one went to prison for that leak of classified information — to the Washington Post, I might add. Somehow, they always get away with this stuff when it goes against Trump people. But that showed us that all he said was, “Don’t overreact. There’s a new team. We’re coming in; let’s calm things down a little bit.” And, Clay, they pretended that they could actually get General Flynn on a Logan Act violation —

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: — a criminal violation for that and that he was a traitor. People called General Flynn, who served the military for 30 years, a traitor for that. He didn’t do anything. He wasn’t betraying the commander-in-chief. He was working on behalf of the incoming commander-in-chief, and that led to criminal investigation. That led to Flynn’s resignation. They tortured Flynn in the courts for years over this! Do you think they’re gonna do that to General Milley?

    CLAY: Of course not. And that leads to my second part, which I want to hit when we when we come back into the final part of the first hour here. Democrats are defending Milley, and as we get ready to go to this break, I just want you to think about this. And this is where I say, “Precedent matters.” I don’t think Joe Biden is doing a good job as president.

    BUCK: (laughing)

    CLAY: I don’t think that anybody out there —

    BUCK: That’s a bold statement.

    CLAY: A bold statement. Quinnipiac came out with their poll at some point Today show — I’ll read you some of the findings — Joe Biden’s approval rating has fallen to 42% in the most recent poll from Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac? How do you pronounce that? You say it.

    BUCK: Quinnipiac.

    CLAY: There you go. They do a regular poll, okay? So we’re gonna talk about that. But I just want you to think about this as we go to break: Even as much as we all agree Joe Biden is doing an awful job, how wrong would it be for a top military official to call China through back channels and say, “I just want you to know, Biden is in such poor mental state that no military official in the United States is going to listen to anything he tells us to do.”

    BUCK: Can I also say, Clay, that even if — and the whole way they’re defending Milley on this, to the point you’re raising… Even if Milley had the purest of intentions in doing this by not — which I do not agree with. I think he’s insane. I think the notion of a war with China is crazy. But that he would do this in a way that would undermine the actual sitting commander-in-chief presents — and this what you’re saying.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: It presents an opportunity. Maybe the Chinese counterpart goes, “Well, if they’re having is this fight in the election that they worry about this…” By the way, forget about Taiwan or anything else for a second although that’s obviously something that would be a concern too. “Maybe we add fuel to the fire in America.”

    CLAY: Great point.

    BUCK: The Chinese have all kinds of cyber operations, all kinds of things they could do. It makes us even more vulnerable. It’s kind of like… You know, we’re a big American family, right? And a lot of people I know I believe in this rule… there’s stuff you say within the family but outside you’re a united front, right?

    We’re supposed to be a united front, especially against our biggest global rival and the only real military threat we face. And General Milley thought that this was a good idea? It’s the same reason that we say he has terrible decision-making and judgment when it comes to “white fragility” on the reading list for military officers.

    CLAY: Yeah. Well, and giving up Bagram Air Force Base and the disaster in Afghanistan. But, again, I just want you to think — and we’re gonna talk about this when we come back — Democrats are defending Milley. But I just want you to think about the institution of the American presidency and the importance that we have a commander-in-chief who is a civilian and that the civilian gets to direct the military.

    And when the military is saying, regardless of who the commander-in-chief is, that they’re not going to follow the lead of the commander-in-chief, the democratically elected president of the United States? Regardless of your political leanings, this is treasonous behavior laced with espionage, and I want to talk about that when we come back because it’s in the context of what Democrats are saying right now.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    CLAY: One of the things that bothers me in general is when no matter what the facts are, your natural inclination is to act as if you are the defense attorney for a particular political party. And MSNBC, I think, does this on an unbelievable level, and I’m gonna unpack this a little bit more at the start of the second hour for why you should be concerned about the actions undertaken by General Milley no matter whether you’re Democrat, Republican, or independent, ’cause they go right to the heart of the constitutional responsibilities of the military in our republic. But, Buck, they’ve already come out with a statement — the Pentagon has — basically saying that he didn’t do anything, right?

    BUCK: Here we go. This is from Lucas Tomlinson over at Fox News, from the “Pentagon: Gen. Milley ‘regularly communicates’ with foreign counterparts ‘including with China and Russia. These conversations remain vital to U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict.

    “‘His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability. All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency.'”

    Clay, you could say they are calling this a perfectly fine phone call.

    CLAY: (chuckling) That’s exactly what they’re doing. But the way that it’s been conveyed to Bob Woodward, at least through his book, is certainly not the way the Pentagon just tried to spin this. And what I would say is, it’s not a surprise, because we told you yesterday when this story broke — and again, I think you have to give credit to Bob Woodward and the masterful ability he has as books come out to distribute newsworthy tidbits to the different news organizations, so they end up being discussed.

    But Joy Reid on MSNBC immediately came out and said what we’re about to play for you. But before you listen to this, I want you to just think, if General Milley had gotten on the phone with China and he had said, “Joe Biden, his mental faculties have declined to such an extent that we are not in the military ever going to follow his orders. We have made a pact. We want to let you know that if he decides that he wants to attack China, we’re never going to do it,” would Joy Reid be saying what she did last night? Listen.

    JONATHAN LEMIRE: Senator Cruz and others suggesting it’s almost traitorous behavior, uh, from Milley to talk to the Chinese like that — and, in fact, Senator Rubio called for Joe Biden to fire him.

    REID: Yeah, uh, okay good luck with that, because he seems to be the greatest patriot that was on duty during the previous administration. This is General Milley, again, who I have to say, is emerging as a pretty important and heroic American figure in this era. Milley reportedly told his counterpart, “This may look unsteady, but that’s the nature of democracy,” and this is him talking with Chinese General Li. General Li, he says, “We are 100% steady. Everything’s fine! But democracy can be sloppy sometimes.” That might be the understatement of the year.

    BUCK: He said, “If we’re going to attack you, I’ll let you know first.”

    CLAY: “I’ll give you a heads-up.”

    BUCK: As if war with China was imminent, because Trump was saying that there were some uncounted ballots in Georgia or double-counted ballots in Pennsylvania or whatever. Clay, this is lunacy, but it also falls right into the pattern. Remember the anonymous op-ed writer, and then we found out who the guy was, and every person…

    I was in that White House sometimes. I knew lots of people the administration and spoke to president a bunch of times. Every person was like, “What? Who is this guy?” But remember his whole thesis was, “I have to stop President Trump,” the anonymous op-ed writer, “from doing what he wants to do because that’s how much I love the country,” and you had Democrats all over saying, “Oh, isn’t this great?” And this was true within the federal bureaucracy, too, people that were trying to thwart him. This is madness.

    CLAY: I just want to say again he told the Chinese that if we were going to attack them, he would give them a heads-up, Buck!

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