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San Francisco Mayor Caught Partying Maskless with BLM

17 Sep 2021

CLAY: This is probably not gonna surprise you, by the way. I’m about to pop out a video. I’m just watching it, rolling my eyes. San Francisco’s mayor, Buck.

They have a mask requirement indoors, of course, in San Francisco. San Francisco’s mayor was out partying with a BLM group. No mask. Indoors. It’s all so flagrantly hypocritical.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: I’m down in the free state of Florida, an oasis of freedom, as Florida governor Ron DeSantis has described it. Buck is up in New York City locked down. I’m surprised he can even do the radio show without wearing four masks right now, based on the way Bill de Blasio continues to restrict everything there.

BUCK: I’m gonna put goggles on.

CLAY: (laughing) You might need a full hazmat suit to do the show pretty soon. But I’ll bet Bill de Blasio is not actually wearing a mask anytime that he is aware that there aren’t cameras present. And this level of hypocrisy… We had Gavin Newsom at French Laundry. We had Gretchen Whitmer traveling to Florida, her husband trying to get the boat out when nobody else was allowed to get their boat out.

Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington, D.C., was at a wedding. All of these different Democratic mayors, governors, people in positions of power continuing to flout the rules of covid that they are attempting to put in place for others. And we’ve got the latest Democratic Party hypocrite underway. I tweeted out the video. Buck, you have seen it.

It is echoing throughout social media. First of all, the day after Gavin Newsom wins the recall vote, L.A. County comes out and basically mandates vaccines everywhere. The timing on this is crazy. But within a day or two of Gavin Newsom winning, London Breed, who is the mayor of San Francisco, is caught on camera out with one of the cofounders of Black Lives Matter celebrating indoors, karaoke-ing, playing along with a band.

The amount of hypocrisy as it pertains to masking and covid requirements that have existed from Democratic politicians — and, Buck, you asked a question. I think it’s a good one. I think what we’re seeing here is all these Democrat leaders see the data, but they understand that their base is so terrified of covid that they’re not willing to stand up and actually talk about the data. The choices they make in their own lives — remember, Gavin Newsom’s kids were going to private school — shows you what they really think as opposed to what they say publicly.

BUCK: Clay, how do you come down off the ledge, in a sense, here, right? If you’ve convinced people… You know I like my shark attack analogy.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: But if you’ve convinced people that the first time you put your foot in the water at the beach, you’re probably gonna have Jaws come along and rip it off — and they actually think that — and you make them think it for a long time, it’s never gonna be a good moment when you have to say to them, “Yeah, turns out that’s not how it goes.

“It turns out you probably didn’t have to be terrified of going in the ocean this whole time.” So because they’ve created what I would say is a mass hysteria… For me now, in New York City, Clay — and you were just talking to one of our producers here about this. People are walking around in pretty considerable numbers. It would be anecdotal for me to say, but I can tell you walking from where I live to the studio, not a long distance, I will see at least a few dozen people outside with masks on.

CLAY: What percentage would it be that you see on the sidewalks wearing a mask in New York now, roughly?

BUCK: I want to say 15 to 20%, something like that.

CLAY: Okay, so it’s still a minority, but a substantial number of people?

BUCK: But Clay at this point if you’re wearing a mask outside, first of all, you are definitely vaccinated, and second of all you probably know about the CDC saying it doesn’t really spread outside. Wearing a mask outdoors in America today for covid is just a sign of an anxiety disorder.

CLAY: I agree.

BUCK: It’s like agoraphobia, somebody who’s afraid to go out in public spaces or something. It has become a mental disorder that’s on full display for everybody. And to your point about London Breed and the others, I think that a lot of these prominent Democrat politicians, they know this.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But they don’t want to ever turn around, face their constituents, and say, “You know how we’ve demonized all the anti-mask people and demonized those who ask questions and all that? They may have a point.” They’ll never want to do that, because it will be a slap in the face. It’ll be offensive. If you’ve been double masking this whole time — remember when there were people bragging about how, “I haven’t left my house in 18 months”?

CLAY: As if it were a sign of strength as opposed to incredible weakness.

BUCK: Yeah, and then you ask, “How old are you?” “I’m 25 years old,” and you’re like, “Why won’t you leave your house because of covid at 25? Unless you’re born without an immune system, that feels like a pretty weird move.” London Breed, by the way, hypocrisy. Do you think this will cost her? She’s unmasking singing and dancing with a totally unmasked crowd in direct violation of San Francisco order. Nobody in San Francisco… It’s not only, Clay that we’ll make fun of this, as we should, the people of San Francisco will convince themselves, okay. Well, nobody’s perfect. At least she’s on —

CLAY: It’s a “sophisticated, educated crowd.”

BUCK: It’s not just that. “She’s on the right side of the issue by making all the peasants mask up so we’ll excuse it.”

CLAY: Well, remember the CNN… I still love that. When Obama threw his party and had a massive crowd and then ended up uninviting a few people, Dr. Fauci… Nobody came out and said, “This is a really bad idea to be doing if you’re gonna be following the CDC guidelines.” And the London Breed situation, remember, Obama was defended by that CNN commentator who said, “Well, it’s an educated, sophisticated crowd,” right?

As if, oh, the virus, it was gonna impact them and then it was like, “Oh, wait. These people, they still remember some of the lines from Hamlet. They’re gonna be fine. They’re fantastic,” and so the hypocrisy… To me, the essence of whether you can trust someone or not — and there’s obviously a lot of different versions of this — is, do they live the same life privately that they claim to live publicly?

Look, I’m gonna be on the road, Buck, for the Alabama-Florida game. I can’t wait. I’m going to be out in crowded bars. There are gonna be pictures of me with our listeners with college football fans all over social media. Nobody’s gonna be able to say, “Oh, my God. Look at Clay Travis! He doesn’t have a mask on,” because I’m telling all of you exactly what I believe, which is I’m not at risk.

I’m gonna live my life normally. To me that’s the ultimate test, right? Are you living the same life privately that you claim to live publicly? And what we’re seeing exposed very often on the Democratic side of the equation, particularly with covid, is how many people are claiming to be on one side of an issue and then in their own lives, with their own lives at stake, with their own life choices, whether it’s their kids in school… How many Democratic politicians put their kids in private schools when they didn’t let the average person out there’s kids go to school. It’s unbelievable.

BUCK: This has been true for the entirety of the pandemic. By the way, it’s true of a lot of Democrat policy positions. Climate change is another one, which I believe is a religion replacement for leftists. I think actually Fauci-ism has become at some level a religion replacement, the kind of existential identity tribalism for people now. “In Fauci we trust” is what a lot of Democrats think about this entire pandemic and that’s their motto.

But they want things, whether it’s higher taxes, climate change, any number of things. Even in some cases gun control, you’ll have prominent celebrities who are anti-gun and you’ll find out — this was a big thing in New York City — well, they got a concealed carry permit because they were scared for their safety.

CLAY: Or their security staff does.

BUCK: Or the security is armed up. But they don’t want other people to have protection. It’s about the idea for everybody else that makes them as individuals feel good, and they never want to connect individual reality or rejection as an individual of these policies with what they want for everybody else. Absolutely true for covid.

London Breed is the same. Muriel Bowser, Gavin Newsom, you go down the list. All these Democrats, very fraudulent on this issue. But the vax passport situation, there’s some cause for… I don’t know. I can’t say it makes me happy, but at least there are places, Clay — and there’s some numbers on this we’re starting to see — that are refusing in New York City to do this.

CLAY: Oh, yeah. I saw that. I think that’s fantastic.

BUCK: We should get into where they’re refusing and where they’re not and how this is going, because my belief… First of all, the top of the list for me would be if we could just get airline attendants to stop acting like Stalinist prison guards on airplanes about masks. Nobody cares if the mask falls below my nose. No normal human.

Anyone who has a problem with that is a moron, okay? Nobody cares. But the airline attendant will come by, “Excuse me, sir! Excuse me! Excuse me! Put the mask up! Put the mask up!”

CLAY: (chuckling)

BUCK: They’re crazy. And I’m sorry. I do not buy this thing it’s ’cause other people will complain. It’s dark! I’m taking a nap! Nobody can even see me. We can pretend that I’m eating my peanuts really slowly.

CLAY: You’re also taking it off while you’re eating and drinking. It’s nonsensical.

BUCK: Idiotic. And I’ll tell you, it’s worse on planes than it is anywhere else, and I think it’s just ’cause everyone’s all so used to being beat up down by the general discomfort and lack of customer service, you get from airlines.

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Berenson’s Back to Analyze the Latest Terrifying Covid Data

17 Sep 2021

BUCK: One thing that has been a recurring theme all along here of covid is you know how they always say, Clay, that “real communism has never been tried” —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — which is an excuse for every failure, every failure of communism. The old joke is that “real communism has never been tried.” Real masking, apparently, has never been tried. Real vaccination, if you look at it in terms of the unvaccinated and everything, has never been tried. This is always the way it goes. They want us to mask down, lock down harder. That’s the way this always goes. And that includes boosters. And we’ve got our friend Alex Berenson with us now to talk about that. You should go subscribe to his Substack, please, the Alex Berenson Substack. I’m a subscriber — full disclosure — and it’s because he’s kicked off of Twitter, which is complete madness, and Elizabeth Warren wanted to kick him off of Amazon. But, Alex, we will get to that. Thanks for being with us.

BERENSON: Thanks, Buck.

BUCK: Let’s start with the boosters. I’m kind of amazed at how the Biden narrative here seems to be, “Yeah, you know, we’re just FDA meeting right now, talking about the boosters. There’s a little back-and-forth, but don’t worry about it. We got this!” It seems like a pretty big deal to me, Alex. How much research and data can they really have about what a third shot is gonna be like in terms of efficacy and side effects?

BERENSON: So they have next to no data. And let’s talk about that, but before even we get to that, this is insane okay? Two of the chief FDA officials around vaccines are resigning, okay, later this fall. They both announced they’re leaving the FDA, and they both signed a major letter to The Lancet — which is arguably the best medical journal in the world — this week basically saying, “We don’t think boosters are a good idea,” okay?

And so imagine if Donald Trump had done this, okay? Imagine if Donald Trump had come out a month before a meeting and said, “You need a third shot. You need a third shot of my vaccine, the Trump vaccine — and, yeah, the FDA hasn’t said anything about it yet. But don’t you worry. They’re gonna say it’s fine.” Can you imagine what the media response, correctly, to that would be?

They’d be trying tar and feather him and they’d be saying, “Oh, it’s for Pfizer, it’s for Pfizer’s profits, and we don’t know what this is gonna do and we don’t know what the side effects are!” That’s just as true with Joe Biden as president as it is with Donald Trump as president. Okay? It’s just that the media will not report anything negative about Biden, and so they’re ignoring this unbelievable thing that’s happening.

CLAY: All right, Alex, this is Clay. I appreciate you coming on with us. We were just talking about this. I think it was in July; you were in studio with us, and we were talking about the data from Israel and the data from England, high vaccination countries, and what it foretold for us. Given where we are now in mid- to late September, what are you seeing, and where are we headed, to the best of your knowledge?

BERENSON: So if you think that Israel and Britain are sort of a few weeks ahead of the U.S., which has been the case all along — and which the chief scientist at Pfizer said on a Zoom call about ten days ago, and he was taped saying it and didn’t deny saying it — what happens in Israel first happens in the U.S. later, then we’re in trouble.

We had a big spike in the summer, and now we’ve had sort of a bit of a… You know, things haven’t really gone down but they’ve stopped going up. But if you believe that vaccine efficacy is fading, then we’re gonna have a spike this fall. Because all the people who didn’t get sick last year who got vaccinated and got some temporary protection, that protection is gonna roll off just like it rolled off in Israel. And that’s why the Biden administration is panicking.

BUCK: Alex, I gotta throw this in because this is what right now… I was gonna say, you know what the blue checks on Twitter are like, but you may have started to forget considering that they ridiculously kicked you off of Twitter.

BERENSON: (laughing)

BUCK: But everyone should go to Alex Berenson’s Substack, subscribe to it, he’ll email you directly his research and his thoughts on all this. And, Alex, what I keep coming up against is this — and I just want you to make sense of people. We are told constantly — the drumbeat, the talking point among all talking points from the Biden team is — 99%, give or take, of the hospitalized and the people that are dying from covid are unvaccinated. What is the truth or lack thereafter in that statement?

BERENSON: Yeah, it’s a total lie, okay? It’s a total lie. The way they come up with that is they basically calculate it based on everybody who died from the day the first vaccine went into somebody’s arm in December, okay? So many of the people died long before vaccinations existed, essentially. Right now — and because the U.S. data is so politicized and so terrible — we don’t have a good number nationally.

But you can look, for example, in Vermont. Now, Vermont is the most vaccinated state in the country, and it’s also pretty rural, and it had relatively little covid infection in 2020 and March of 2021. Vermont just had more cases, more positive tests than it had ever had before, two days ago. Okay. And 20 people in Vermont — a relatively small state — 20 people in Vermont…

I think it was 23 have died of covid since the beginning of August. Ten of those people were vaccinated. So that’s almost 50% in Vermont. Okay? And there are other states where you can kind of pluck out the data bit by bit, but it’s sort of hard to do and you gotta find the right website and you gotta go back and do the math.

But where we have this data, it’s not 99%. It might be 50 to 70% of people are unvaccinated. And in Britain, where the data is real and it’s good, only 25% of people are unvaccinated who are dying of covid right now. And that is a real number. In Israel, it’s fewer than half.

CLAY: So let me cut that. So 75% of the people that are dying in England right now are vaccinated?

BERENSON: That’s right: 70% are fully vaccinated, 5% have had one dose, 25% are unvaccinated.

CLAY: So I want to go into this, Alex. This is what Buck and I have been talking about. Yesterday we had doctors calling in starting to talk about this. There is a thesis — and I think you have hinted at this before. Again, hypothesis, I probably should say, because the data tells us a story, and part of the job of science is to look at the data and come up with hypotheses for why that data is appearing as it is.

There is a thesis among some doctors that what is going on here is the vaccinated are the ones who are spreading the virus at a high level. And I feel almost like a crazy man even sharing this, ’cause it’s in such direct contravention to what we are being told by the Biden White House. But there is a thesis out there, and I want you to explain it to people and say whether you think there’s any legitimacy to this thesis that some doctors are sharing.

BERENSON: Sure.

CLAY: And the thesis would be this: The vaccination gives such a high rate of the virus that people who are vaccinated are shedding that, and many other people are getting covid from the vaccinated. In other words, it isn’t the unvaccinated that are spreading it to the vaccinated; it’s the exact opposite.

BERENSON: So that’s actually not the thesis.

CLAY: Okay. I messed it up?

BERENSON: Yeah, and that’s the thing. If you mess it up like that, then people who are the blue checks and the vaccine fanatics will jump on you and say, “You’re crazy! There’s no such thing as vaccine shedding! You’re an idiot!” This is why you have to be careful about it. Here’s the real thesis.

CLAY: Okay.

 

BERENSON: The real thesis is that for some people, especially healthy people, the vaccine confers partial protection, okay? So if you’re pretty young and healthy and you get vaccinated and you get infected, you can be walking around with really high levels of virus in your blood — post-infection, okay, separate from the vaccine — and the vaccine is protecting you enough that you don’t have symptoms.

So you become a superspreader who’s capable of spreading this virus both to people who are vaccinated and are unvaccinated because what’s called your CT threshold which is a… It doesn’t matter what it is, but your CT threshold is low, and a low CT threshold means you have a really high viral load in your blood. So I get the vaccine; I’m 30 years old and healthy.

I get really high levels of antibodies. For some reason, I have a breakthrough infection. I then, for whatever reason, have a lot of… The vaccine actually takes… I’m sorry. The virus actually takes off in my blood, in my body, I wind up with a lot of virus, a heavy viral load. But I don’t have symptoms, and I spread that rapidly. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory. There’s very good evidence that this is happening.

And one bit of evidence came out about a month ago. There’s a paper out of Wisconsin, and they compared viral loads in people who were vaccinated and people who weren’t, and they found just as high viral loads in people who were not vaccinated as people who were.

BUCK: Alex, there was this number that came out — and everyone should check out Alex’s Substack. You have to subscribe to it, sign up for it. Go to Substack and type in “Alex Berenson.” The Biden administration… The president actually himself said one in 5,000 cases are breakthrough cases.

BERENSON: Per day!

BUCK: Put a comma behind that for a second because —

BERENSON Per day! Per day!

BUCK: (laughing) Hold on. One in 5,000 on breakthrough cases. Meanwhile, I spoke to Ron DeSantis’ office this morning just to check on the numbers in the state of Florida. They’re saying that at their main monoclonal antibody sites, over 50% — granted, it’s like 52 to 55% — of people are fully vaxxed, desperate for monoclonal antibodies. So what gives?

BERENSON: I can’t… This makes me crazy! You heard me just yelling. I can’t stand this, okay? This number is just nonsense. Somebody I didn’t know who used to — I guess I still — respect at the New York Times said your chances of having a breakthrough infection are one in 5,000. Okay? One in 5,000 per day! That’s not how we calculate risk about anything. Okay?

You calculate it on a reasonable time period, like a year. One in 5,000 per day means a 7% chance of being infected over the course of a year, if you’re vaccinated. That’s what he said. But the Biden administration loved this because it sounds so little. They said one in 5,000 per day — or they didn’t say one in 5,000 per day. They said one in 5,000, and then they said hospitalizations were one in 160,000 per day.

These people are lying and spinning like crazy — and it’s bad, okay, Buck? It is really — and Clay, it is really that they’re doing this because the biology doesn’t change how much you spin it okay? And people are getting sick and dying. Some of those people are vaccinated. Some of those people are not vaccinated. And the effort to try to turn the vaccinated against the unvaccinated and cause the vaccinated to blame the unvaccinated for this is crazy. Okay?

The problem is not vaccine hesitancy. The problem is the vaccines don’t work very well. There aren’t that many hard-core anti-vaxxers in the United States. If you look at the data about children and vaccines, more than 90% of children under two get their vaccines essentially on schedule. Okay? That’s kids. People are willing to give even their children vaccines that work. The reason there’s hesitancy is ’cause these vaccines don’t work, or at least don’t work very well.

CLAY: Yeah, and I want to go to that. If the Biden administration got their absolute dream scenario and we had a 100% covid vaccination rate at least among adults or 12-plus or whatever you want to say, would that actually change very much in terms of the covid infection rate across this country, Alex?

BERENSON: No! Because that’s what they have in Israel and the U.K., and Israel had more covid infections three days ago than they’d had in the history of covid okay? They are at where we’re supposed to be, and it’s not doing them any good. The vaccines works for a couple months at most, and that’s why you’re seeing the booster push. But here’s where I thought you guys were going before.

The issue around boosters is, there’s a real risk — and I’m not saying this is happening. We don’t have evidence that this is happening right now. But we have evidence that it’s a risk that the vaccine can cause the virus to mutate in a way that makes the vaccine less effective. And the worst version of that scenario is something called antibody dependent enhancement where the vaccine causes the virus to mutate not just in a way that makes it less effective, but it then actually uses the antibodies the vaccine has created to attack your cells more efficiently.

CLAY: So it basically puts the virus, the vaccine does, in that theory, on steroids and is creating the variants to make it more virulent?

BERENSON: That’s basically correct. Okay? And if that happens and we are boosting people’s antibodies, we are gonna regret it.

BUCK: Alex Berenson, everybody. Go subscribe to his Substack. Alex, always appreciate it, man. Thanks for the work you do.

BERENSON: Thanks, guys. I’m sorry if I get excited.

BUCK: No.

CLAY: (laughing) That’s why we need you.

BUCK: We’ll have you back on soon. Thank you.

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Pentagon Admits Biden Killed 10 Civilians, No Terrorists

17 Sep 2021

BUCK: Just breaking now courtesy of Lucas Tomlinson over at Fox News. “General McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command, to announce no ISISK fighters killed in U.S. drone strike in Kabul on August 29th. Ten civilians were killed, including seven children in the Toyota. No disciplinary action expected, U.S. officials say, and they are standing by the intel leading to the strike.”

Clay, as soon as we got hit when we lost our 13 corpsmen and Marines in Afghanistan and they said, “Oh, we’re gonna strike back at them,” I thought — I said this on Fox; I said it on TV — there’s no way we have the intel network to be able to find exactly who was behind this nor to be able to stop the next one.

We’re gonna be relying on Taliban checkpoints. That’s reality. They got too hasty. Ten people dead, seven of them children. I hate to always have to do this. If this were the Trump administration people, they would be saying he should be handcuffed and taken to The Hague immediately.

CLAY: Instead, it’s gonna break on Friday afternoon, headed into a busy weekend for a lot of people out there, and by Monday, nobody will be covering this story. Now, we’ll mention it again on Monday. And we were one of the few that mentioned it earlier this week, right? ‘Cause the previous story, the New York Times had broken it, to their credit, on a Friday afternoon/evening after we went off the air.

And for most people, it was swept under the rug. Saturday, Sunday, by Monday it’s gone. That’s the reason it’s coming out right now, Buck. It is a further failure, emblematic of the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan of Joe Biden trying to — in some form or fashion — prove that he was tough.

 

BUCK: That’s right.

CLAY: And this is why this ended up happening.

BUCK: This is top-down pressure. I can’t even look at this other than this is from the White House, maybe even from Biden himself, the situation room, giving a direct order. Okay. They said they had this call under surveillance —

CLAY: We have to back. We gotta let ’em have it.

BUCK: (sigh) You know, this was politics. And now you got 10 dead bodies, seven of them children, Afghans.

CLAY: Guy who desperately dreamed of coming to the United States.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: I mean, really, a United States ally.

BUCK: Honestly. It’s just another horrific instance here of what a catastrophe the withdrawal was on the Biden administration.

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Sarah Silverman Wants to Break Up with Us

17 Sep 2021

CLAY: Buck and I were talking about a topic that has gotten a lot of attention in general, and that is certainly the division exists between red state and blue state America right now. And for many of our lives, I would say there’s never been a more substantial division between red state and blue state America. And that doesn’t mean we haven’t always had disagreements.

There have been a lot of times where there have been many major issues that existed, but I’m not sure there’s ever been a time when people who live in red states like me… I live in Tennessee, spend a lot of time in Florida, Texas. The red state governors are where mostly freedom has triumphed. And then, Buck, who was a New York City native is a blue state guy — even though he’s got red state sentiments — and there have been complete lockdowns that have been going on in New York City.

Certainly I just posted a video of San Francisco’s mayor out doing what left-wing mayors and governors have been doing throughout the pandemic, which is flouting their own rules and breaking them like crazy when it comes to masks and the number of people that you can be around and all those things. But I know that Rush talked about this a little bit in some of his shows.

Certainly, it is a topic that has been getting a lot of attention, and Sarah Silverman is a comedian, but she brought it up recently and I want you to listen to this audio and then Buck and I are gonna kind of debate and discuss it, ’cause I do think it’s really gotten fascinating and it’s something that you may be talking about with your friends and family. Does it make sense for all 50 states, given our division now…? Is this like a divorce? Are we headed towards divorce? Listen to Sarah Silverman.

SILVERMAN: If people aren’t getting along, like, in relationship, they break up. You know? So, like, don’t we just finally just realize that these states aren’t working and, like, divide up into, like, two or three countries? Like, USA 1 and USA 2, and they can be USA 1. Like, the conservatives can be USA 1, because they love being number one and that… It means something to them. And I’d love to have that be theirs. So they can be USA 1. We’ll be USA 2. And we’ll be allies! And you’ll come over here, and we’ll go over there, and many times when you go to a different country you have to get a vaccine. That’s it.

CLAY: So this is really funny. She’s talking about it in a funny way. Obviously — and you know this, Buck, ’cause I’m a Civil War history nerd. We actually tried this back in the 1860s. This was the idea, that the South would have its own country and the North would have its own country — and ironically enough, even 140 years-ish after the Civil War we still kind of are breaking down in many of the same ways, right? The South is the red states, and the North is the blue states.

BUCK: Here’s what’s actually happening, people talking about, oh, my gosh. It’s not really, oh, the Texas secession movement or the Alaska secession movement.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Forget about secession. What you do have is polarization and consolidation going on. That’s actually occurring in real time. People are referring to them sometimes — I’ve just seen this — as “leftugees” like left-wing refugees from left-wing states.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And it’s very clear. I mean, the Census Bureau data, the most recent Census Bureau data we have says that people are leaving — right now I know everyone’s saying, they’re going through in their head — California, New York, New Jersey, Michigan, total blue dominated states —

CLAY: And the Chicago area, Illinois.

BUCK: Yeah, Illinois’s high up to the list, too, but those were actually the top five. And the top five states that are getting people coming in — Clay’s gonna do a little bow here — Tennessee, Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Ohio, actually, which is interesting. So here’s what’s happening. You are seeing people voting with their feet. Now, I actually think this is in many ways a healthy thing. It’s a good thing that’s going on.

The only way that a governor… Well, Governor Newsom unfortunately thinks he’s a hero now. But the only way that a state like California realizes it’s too far left is if the tax base, a lot of middle-class folks, a lot of good people start to leave and it hurts them in the pocketbook. The problem, Clay, is that the system is supposed to work where we have all these states where people can have some freedoms protected. We have federalism, right?

You talk about this a lot on the show. But because of the federal government with both its overreach as it pertains to laws and regulations, we see this most notably with the mandate, but also all the ways the federal government will step in and fund what’s going on in these blue states. It does a sort of short-circuiting of the mechanisms of correction for poor governance in blue states.

‘Cause the outflow of people is real. They can’t argue with that. But as long as they can bring in, by the way, a lot of illegal immigrants into labor pool — which they do in New York and California particularly — as long as they have federal dollars coming in and federal rules and regulations, they can prop up the blue states and continue to annoy the you-know-what out of people in the red states, which is what’s going on.

CLAY: Yeah, and look, I think the big story of covid — and you kind of hit on this a little bit — is the red states are becoming redder, and the blue states are becoming bluer. And where I live, Buck, I’ll tell you this. This is a massive topic of conversation. I know there’s a lot of people in Texas and Florida. We’ve already seen it in Georgia, North Carolina, there’s a fear that the people that are coming in from the coasts are going…

They’re like locusts and (chuckles) they destroyed where they live, and they’re going to relocate to new states that are bastions of freedom, and turn them purple or bring their failed liberal politics to those states, continue to vote the way they were, and eventually destroy those states too. This is a big topic where people ask all the time.

People in my neighborhood, for instance, in my city and certainly in my state ask, “Hey, did you come here it’s because a red state or did you come here in spite of it being a red state?” And most people that I’m talking to now are moving because it’s a red state, and they’re the fed up with what’s going on in blue state America. But that fear is out there.

BUCK: My brother, my older brother who moved to Florida is now a permanent resident. He got his Florida driver’s license. He’s Florida resident after being a lifelong New Yorker. He said he’s at the gun store, one of the first places he went. This is what happens, by the way. Conservative blue staters go to a red state and they’re like, “Wait. I could just go into a store and buy a gun and then take it to a range, which will be accessible and friendly and nice and good place?”

You know, ’cause in New York City there’s only one gun range here and it’s meant to be as depressing as possible in New York City, and you can only fire a .22 rifle. There’s all kinds of rules. Unless you have a handgun permit, which is impossible to get. He goes to into the gun store in Florida and the guy selling the gun just like, “All right…” He can see he’s had a recent change of attitude he’s like, “Just make sure you vote the right way,” and (laughing), by the way, he did not mean vote for Joe Biden. So this is a real phenomenon that plays out.

CLAY: We should mention this, by the way, too, the data was out. Fifty percent of people buying guns now are women. That’s a pretty staggering number.

BUCK: That’s amazing, yeah. That is amazing.

CLAY: Kind of a crazy difference in terms of at least I think stereotypically when you think, “Okay. Who’s going to be registering and buying guns right now?” The fact that we’ve now hit 50% for women, I think it speaks to the defund the police movement/ I think it speaks to a lot of boyfriends and husbands out there that are like, “Hey, you may have been able to rely on the police in the past.

“But with crime surging, I want to take to you the gun range. I want you to learn how to use a gun.” Buck, you’ll appreciate this. My wife recently and her girlfriends did a girls’ date where they went to the gun range and fired weapons. All girls, girls’ night out. They all went and fired weapons, and these are people who are not…

I was born in the South. I think most Southerners in some ways are raised at least somewhat comfortable around guns when you’re a kid. My wife was not raised that way, but all these women I think, the fear of the rising crime rate has made gun ownership and gun range trips much more of a normal act, at least in red state America.

BUCK: Yeah, but I think that what you’re seeing right now also with the covid rules that have been implemented… It’s absolutely true about firearms. By the way, firearms have become such a huge cultural signifier. In blue states, knowing nothing about guns and never having fired a gun is almost —

CLAY: It’s a badge of honor.

BUCK: Yeah, with somebody who also is the most anti-gun, pro-gun control, terrified of guns, the whole thing. So ignorance is a badge of honor about Second Amendment for liberals, for libs. But also, with all the covid rules and regulations you’re seeing, it’s a reminder. I think people had started to lose a sense of “your governor really does matter.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Your state government can really make a difference in your life. It’s not just, “Oh, you know, we’re all Americans, we’re all paying the same federal income tax, and the federal government makes all these determinations.” Unfortunately, the federal government does far too much. But at least if you are in a state, you have a fighting chance.

And this is why Texas, Florida people are moving to these places and making essentially the most powerful vote you can other than at the ballot box, which is, “Where are you gonna live? Where you gonna pay taxes as an American?” I had somebody just earlier this week. She’s a friend of mine from media.

She’s looking for a house to move permanently into Texas. I have yet to find anybody with a family come across anybody with a family who’s saying, “You know what I want to do right now? I want to move to Los Angeles and get some of that Gavin Newsom, Garcetti magic. I really want to try that.”

CLAY: You know what’s interesting, Buck? Federalism has never been more important, I don’t think, in any of our lives than during covid. Without Republican governors holding the line on freedom, on remaining open, on fighting lockdowns, I really think there’s a good chance we’d be Canada or, even worse, Australia, if Joe Biden and Dr. Fauci had their way right now.

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Bill Maher Knocks Media for Pushing Covid Fear Porn

17 Sep 2021

BUCK: Sometimes you get libs who will say things that are true, and we will highlight them here on the show. Welcome back to Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck. I’ve done the Bill Maher show a few times. I will say Bill is an interesting guy and occasionally will break with the left on an issue where he does get legitimate heat.

He’s a man of the left, but he can be willing to break with the orthodoxy, which makes nor interesting conversation from time to time. Here is a moment of particularly poignant honesty given what’s going on in the country right now, and here’s what you need to know.

The left is — and Democrats, by “the left,” I mean — is terrified of covid in a way that is irrational. I’m not talking about people who are at high risk, who are in a community with high levels of spread and didn’t have access to the vaccine or something. That was an anxiety that I could totally understand. I know it. I had people my own family that were very concerned who are at risk.

No, Bill Maher is talking about the exaggerated risk in the minds of Democrats who think they’re so well informed. There’s 30 or 40X the rate of hospitalization in their minds, the risk of hospitalizations than they actually are. The numbers don’t lie when you look at the polling, and Maher called this out. I think he was on Jimmy Kimmel’s show discussing this, and here’s how it went.

MAHER: I have to cite a survey that was in the New York Times, which is a liberal paper, so they weren’t looking for this answer. But they were talking about… The question was, “What do you think the chances are that you would have to go to the hospital if you got covid?” And Democrats thought that was way higher than Republicans.

Seventy percent of Democrats thought it was way, way, way higher than it really was. Liberal media has to take a little responsibility for that, for scaring the (bleep) out of people. And the reason why I’m bringing this up is because it’s much harder for every touring act to sell tickets in blue states.

BUCK: This is a real thing, Clay. Blue states think… It’s not just a virtue signaling thing now. They really believe that ultra-caution — even for those at low risk — is still warranted, which is hurting businesses and hurting people’s lives.

CLAY: The worst thing that has happened to media — and this can go across the board — is anecdote based, what I call, “fear porn.” And you guys — and you guys know exactly what I’m talking about, if you get on to Facebook, get on to Twitter, get on to Instagram, Snapchat, whatever social media device you use — or you watch CNN and MSNBC — They will find the one 25-year-old who’s hospitalized, and they’ll put a picture up.

They’ll do a story for them. And we have allowed our media to be almost entirely driven by anecdote as opposed to overarching data. And this is important, Buck, as you well know, because whatever you believe, there is an individual story that can make it seem like a reality. And what’s happened with covid is —  what Bill Maher was hitting is completely true.

People who are under no risk — people who are more likely to die in car accidents or be murdered — are terrified to go outside of their house because of covid. And they are terrified because they watch MSNBC and because they watch CNN. And this has real consequences because the politicians allow that fear porn, as I call it, to drive their overall agendas as politicians. They’re not leading. They’re following in the wake of that fear.

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Caller Can’t Get Ivermectin Script Filled

17 Sep 2021

BUCK: Open Line Friday. Jordan in Nashville, Tennessee, Clay’s home state.

CLAY: Great town!

BUCK: What’s up?

CALLER: I just wanted to call to kind of talk about and bring attention to the difficulties of procuring alternate covid treatments, even though I live in a red state, under Biden’s administration. My husband currently has covid, and we were legitimately prescribed ivermectin, and we have not been able to find a pharmacy to sell it.

We called dozens. (chuckles) We tried different states. And people just laugh at us when we call. No one will fill it. And then my husband was on the list for monoclonal antibodies. He has mild asthma. And when the Biden administration took over distribution, they cut my state’s availability.

And they said my husband didn’t have a severe enough case with the limited numbers of antibodies available to receive treatment. So we had to press even harder than the normal person should have to do to try to find treatment for covid.

CLAY: Well, we hope your husband is gonna be okay, Jordan. And I think what you’re reflecting is the incredible pathway that the Biden administration has found itself on where they initially were saying of anyone who wanted to get treatment, for instance, with monoclonal antibodies, that it didn’t work and that it was junk science.

And now it’s working so well that they are restricting the distribution of those monoclonal antibodies to states like Florida and other red states that right now are dealing with a surge. And that surge, Buck, it’s moving to the Midwest; it’s gonna move to the Northeast. That’s what the data reflects is gonna happen.

BUCK: Thank you so much, Jordan. And, you know, as one former ivermectin user who had covid, I gotta tell you, I can appreciate how frustrated I would have been if I was told, “Oh, yeah, no. That MD that you’ve known for years and years and years who says it’s worth a shot, it’s not gonna hurt you? We’re not gonna fulfill his prescription even though it’s totally lawful because we, the pharmacy industry…” I mean, the whole thing has just gotten crazy.

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Rush Calls Out the NYT for Blaming Al-Qaeda Murders on the Pope

17 Sep 2021

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  • Washington Examiner: Natural immunity to covid is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so
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  • Independent Chronicle: Abbott shuts down points of entry after border agents ‘overwhelmed’ by mass migrant caravan in Del Rio
  • Daily Caller: Biden’s FAA Invents New Flight Rule After Fox News Border Drone Goes Viral
  • Washington Examiner: Durham grand jury indicts lawyer for allegedly lying to FBI, concealing ties to Clinton campaign
  • New York Post: 11 of 15 NYC restaurants not enforcing vaccine mandate
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    Biden Emboldens Lib Bigots to Otherize, Segregate Unvaxxed

    16 Sep 2021

    CLAY: As Joe Biden tried to make vaccines mandatory, he created a clear “othering.” And what I mean by that is, you were either in the vaccine camp or you were not. And we already know that many people were using their vaccination status as a form of moral authority, as a form of social justice warrioring with the masks and everything else.

    And as soon as Joe Biden said, “Get vaccinated. You are the problem,” then the mandate has emboldened so many people all over this country. And we’re gonna play you some clips that are going viral of behavior in restaurants in New York City, in Targets all over this country. The idea is now if you don’t have the vaccine, you are a second-class citizen.

    BUCK: That’s absolutely true. This is what you’re seeing playing out in major cities like New York and elsewhere. And, Clay, this is proving also what we’ve been saying all along. People are pretending that they’re so concerned with the health of the unvaccinated. But the kind of people that will follow you around in a store and heckle you over not having a mask —

    CLAY: Yes. Which is happening.

    BUCK: — which is happening and continues to happen even at this phase, are vaccinated, masked-up individuals who are actually quietly terrified themselves. They’re neurotic. They have no ability to gauge the risk of covid to themselves.

    You’re not seeing 85-year-olds chasing after people saying, “Where’s your mask?” You’re seeing guys in their forties, maybe their thirties — or you’re seeing women around the same age — and it’s because their brains have been corrupted by too much Fauciism.

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: It’s because they’re addicted to the pretense that they’re better than other people because they’re doing things that — in the case of masking — do not make a difference. I mean, they could sit around and pretend all day long. Cloth masks, the biggest study out of Bangladesh showed, basically don’t do anything.

    I mean, “within the margin of error” maybe you could say. But is it worth it to everybody to walk around with a stupid cloth mask on their faces because of the theoretical possibility that it might limit some covid spread? And then the moment you start pulling the mask down… Everything we’ve said is true. Clay, we are in a period of mass media and mass hysteria combined, and the results are not good.

    CLAY: No, and I don’t know where this goes, Buck. And we’re gonna play you here in a little bit some of these clips of confrontations that are occurring. In fact, let’s go ahead. I think we have cut 17. This is an ugly sort of example of what “othering” can create. So a black man in New York City with his family goes into a restaurant.

    BUCK: Yeah, wife and small child, just so you know.

    CLAY: Wife and small child. A white restaurant manager comes out and asks to see his papers. Now, this has, for anybody who has ever studied history — the racial dynamic does — an incredible uncomfortable and archaic history here in the United States of needing papers in order to travel, in order to be able to live your life in the days of slavery.

    So this man — and I think we had to edit it a little bit — is inside of a restaurant. Let’s make it clear here. When you’re in a restaurant, you are not wearing a mask, right? You are sitting down. We have this ridiculous kabuki theater that we have created where you wear a mask in to be seated at the restaurant, and then you immediately take the mask off and start to eat.

    But they have begun to enforce in New York City — they are soon to be enforcing this in Los Angeles — the idea that you can’t go to a restaurant unless you are vaccinated. Well, despite the fact that the media wants to continue to tell us that it is all Trump voters who are unvaccinated, the highest percentage of people that are unvaccinated in this country are black and Hispanic.

    And so the majority — at least the last time you saw it, Buck. The majority of black people, in theory, are not able to go out to a restaurant in New York City. They’re not able to go to a gym. They’re not able to go to a movie. They’re not able to live a life of normalcy in New York City.

    BUCK: And let’s remember that there’s often a doctrine, a legal approach that people will use called “disproportionately impact,” right? They’ll say even in a law or a rule..

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: The left loves this, and one of the best examples of it is voter ID. Voter ID is a universally applicable, nonracial standard that you could have for every human being. Every citizen, I should say, of the appropriate age can show up, can show, “I can vote.” But they’ll say, “Well, there’s a disproportionate impact.”

    Meaning for whatever reason, a larger percentage of minorities in this country, racial minorities are affected by the ID requirement. Therefore, even if the rule itself is not racist; it has a racist outcome, right? This law in New York City that’s barring somebody from being able to sit down and enjoy a public accommodation — which we all know for a long time now, public accommodations don’t get to just serve or not serve whoever they want.

    This goes back to Civil Rights Movement, right? We all know… This is the country we’re all living in, and this disproportionately — the vaccine passport law — impacts and affects negatively minorities in the city of New York, and leftists suddenly don’t care about this legal doctrine.

    CLAY: And what’s interesting here is the people in the restaurants are… There’s one guy who, like, flips the bird at this guy and his family. They are supporting the idea that he should be kicked out of the restaurant. But I just want you to listen to this. There are confrontations that are going viral all over this country now over mask requirements, over vaccine requirements.

    And again, the likelihood that this is in any way making us safer is highly unlikely based on all the data. And again, I think Joe Biden’s doing the vaccine mandate has made it such that many of these people feel emboldened and as if they are on the side of moral justice. Listen to what happened in New York.

    BUCK: I love this guy. I want to take him out to dinner. I want to make him dinner. I want to hang out with him.

    CLAY: “This is America … everybody can eat.”

    BUCK: — and feed his whole family because, Clay, the worst person in the clip in my opinion is actually… I’m angry ’cause, look, is anyone enforcing…? He could do what they did at the U.S. Open, the restaurant owner, right? He could say, ‘Show me something. Oh, yeah, that looks like a vaccine passport,'” right? Give me a break.

    No one’s really going to enforce it that closely, but if he’s worried that there could be health department people, I got it. He could be fined. For me, the worst person in the whole situation are the patrons who are like (sniveling), “Yeah, get outta here! We don’t want you here.” One guy even sticks his middle finger up at him in front of his wife and kids, by the way, which is a total scum maneuver to do.

    And you look at this, you say, “That guy — the little turd who’s sitting there — who’s putting his middle finger up at this father and husband when he’s just trying to have a meal? That guy watches too much MSNBC and believes too much Fauci.”

    CLAY: And too much CNN, because I want to play cut 14 here. We now have media that are encouraging behavior like this. CNN’s Don Lemon last night said it’s time to start shaming “anti-vaxxers,” even though that’s not the right phrase, “Let’s leave them behind.” Listen to Don Lemon.

    LEMON: It is a minority of people, and so I think we have to stop coddling people when it comes to this and the vaccine thing. “Oh, you can’t shame them. You can’t call them stupid. You can’t call them (muttering).” Yes, they are. The people who aided Trump are stupid because they believed his big lie. The people who are not getting vaccines who are believing the lies on the internet instead of science, it’s time to start shaming them — what else — or leave them behind.

    Because they’re keeping the majority of Americans behind. You didn’t feel that way about the polio vaccine. You don’t feel that way about measles, mumps, rubella when it comes to your children. All of a sudden, this vaccine is different? W-w-what’s different about it? The only different thing about it is because of your politics today.

    BUCK: I love how Don Lemon asks a rhetorical question, “What’s different about it?” as if that’s some kind of a slam. A lot of things are different about it, you idiot. For one thing, we’re already being told that there’s vaccine failure. How many of have you have been told, “Oh, yeah. That MMR vaccine you got?

    “You gotta get another one in four or five months because you’re actually not protected. Your protection is going down.” Clay, they don’t want people to know and see the Israeli data or the U.K. data for that matter because it proves beyond reasonably that not only… Here’s what the narrative has been for the last 90 days, basically — last 60 days we’ll say. Okay, fine. Maybe you can occasionally — and, by the way, you absolutely can get and give covid after you’re vaccinated. That is clear beyond any doubt.

    CLAY: Which initially they told us was not true.

    BUCK: It was not true. So they were wrong about that. And now with the passage of time and further vaccine failure — or “diminution,” to borrow a Fauci word — of the effectiveness of the vaccine, what we’re seeing is people are actually able to get hospitalized and even die as the vaccines drop off in efficacy.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: Which does happen, and that’s why they’re saying you need the booster shot. Well, this is not… This is a whole change in what we’ve been told the last six months. But now they’re certain, Clay, now they have certainty.

    CLAY: And look. I think the likelihood here is that this is going to continue to get worse. And when we come back, we’re going to play you something. You’re not gonna believe this. You need to see this video for yourself. Both Buck and I have tweeted it out @ClayTravis and @BuckSexton.

    There are people walking around inside of stores approaching people not wearing masks and trying to publicly shame them for not wearing their masks. And the worst group that is doing this, Buck, is grown men who are harassing women all over stores. And we’ve got a viral video example of that that we’re gonna play for you from a Target store that will, I think, kind of blow your mind.

    BUCK: Any grown man who did not step in to tell this guy to back off should feel a little twinge of shame, honestly. Granted they weren’t necessarily mask shaming here, but a guy following around a woman harassing her this way? Any red-blooded American male should step in and say, “Hey, buddy, back off. Why don’t you back off?” This guy is… You know, I tweeted — I really believe this — there’s a direct correlation with men who mask shame and low testosterone. I’m telling you, if we could —

    CLAY: (laughing) I 100% agree with that.

    BUCK: Yeah, if we could do the medical testing, I’m telling you, there’s a lot of Low T among the mask shamers.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    BUCK: We are talking about the culture of otherizing and mask shaming and vax shaming that is growing in the country right now, and I think it’s in part because, one, people are — at least anyone who is paying attention is — seeing that their belief that all it takes is just people get the shot and then it’s all gonna go away.

    Hmm. How many shots? For how long? At what efficacy rate? But then beyond that, there’s also the Biden administration giving be quite a bit of license to people to feel like (sniveling), “You know what? I should go around and be the vaccine police! I should be the one that points out, ‘Where are his papers? He’s not allowed to eat here! I’m gonna humiliate someone in front of their family ’cause I’m a Biden voter who watches CNN.'” Here’s Joe Biden —

    CLAY: That’s where we are. (laughing) That’s what they sound like, too.

    BUCK: Isn’t it amazing how much they do sound like that, by the way?

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: Here is Joe Biden, though, who’s saying something… He’s Mr. (impression) “Just the facts, folks. Just, you know, no joke! Facts,” and “the science” and all that stuff. We got a problem. I want Clay to answer whether he’s correct here.

    BIDEN: The vaccine requirements work. (sputtering) More companies are instituting them. Even at Fox News they require it — and, uh, I’m not being facetious when I say that. But it’s interesting that they’ve stepped forward and done that as well.

    CLAY: Not true, Buck.

    BUCK: Yeah, I was gonna say you’re a Fox employee, Clay. What’s going on?

    CLAY: Biden lied there. He’s probably misinformed. I don’t think he was necessarily intentionally lying, ’cause I don’t think he’s smart enough to know a lot of the facts, surrounding details. It’s not true. There’s no vaccine mandate at Fox. I go on Fox News all the time. I’ll be down in Gainesville, Florida, this weekend.

    I’m gonna meet some people who are gonna be there for the Alabama-Florida game, shaking hands, going around all the bars, doing live television. There’s no mandates. Lots of people are vaccinated. And again, if you want to make that choice yourself, you can. But I’m not vaccinated. And I go on Fox News and Fox Sports and big Fox network all the time because there is no vaccine mandate. So Joe Biden spoke there incorrectly and spread a falsehood to the entire country.

    BUCK: Seems like that’s an issue. I would like him to get the facts correct if he’s going to be walking around bludgeoning everybody as though they refuse to listen to the science and they refuse to believe what’s going on. Clay, here’s another point. I just feel like people should… There’s a peer-reviewed study out right now.

    But there’s a real scientific study. “Shedding of infectious SARS-CoV-2 despite vaccinations” that is out. And these are the kind of things people should know about. This article… Oh, sorry. It has not yet been peer reviewed, but it is printed, and this is a serious study. This has got Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. It’s got Yale on it and all the rest. “Immunized, asymptomatic people are spreading covid all over the place at a statistically greater rate than the unimmunized.”

    CLAY: That’s a pretty big deal.

    BUCK: That would be a pretty big deal.

    CLAY: That’s a blockbuster finding. It would say if you’re vaccinated, you’re spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated are, that would class as a major deal.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    CLAY: Should we play the Target video when we come back, Buck? Should we save it for the close of the hour?

    BUCK: Nah, let’s do it, and then we’ll talk about it, and then we’ll come back to it.

    CLAY: All right. So this is… I just want you to listen. I think this is like a minute along and I want to paint a picture for you right before we start it. This is a Sideshow Bob-looking character, right? Puffy, orange hair, not in good shape, probably in his thirties or forties man who is walking around trying to shame a woman in a Target for not wearing her mask. This man not only has a mask on, he has a lapel pin in his T-shirt that says that he’s been vaccinated.

    BUCK: Does he have a Biden-Harris Thermos with soy milk in it, or am I just imagining that?

    CLAY: No, I think again, to your point if we tested this man’s testosterone, it would be incredibly low. I’m not sure that he has functional testicles. But let’s listen to this.

    BUCK: (impression) “Eh, you’re a bad American.”

    CLAY: I love these ladies, first of all.

    BUCK: The ladies are feisty.

    CLAY: They are letting this dude have it. But what kind of pathetic chump of a grown-ass man walks around in a freaking Target with a mask on, with a badge that says he’s been vaccinated, Buck, lecturing a woman who is there shopping because she’s not wearing her mask and says she’s a bad American?

    This is the benefit. People are saying, “Oh, we need to have a just, kinder, gentler America.” Guys like that who are harassing women in stores need to get their ass kicked, right? And if you’re bragging about your wife’s educational level to justify you are a pathetic loser? Maybe just get a life and recognize what a pathetic loser you are. But I love these women standing up to him.

    BUCK: They’re standing up to him. I didn’t see if there was a guy nearby. If you were a guy, stepping in there would be absolutely the right move, but remember what this is also showing you this guy who literally has… I made a joke about the soy Thermos with Biden-Harris on it, but he’s got one at home; we all know that. But he does have a badge that says “I’m vaccinated” he walks around that.

    CLAY: Imagine having that badge!

    BUCK: This is now vaccine signaling instead of virtue signaling, which is really just the same thing — a variant, if you will, of it. And, Clay, the pretense here all along is that guys like this one, soy guys walking around here harassing women about masks, they act like they care about what’s happening to the unvaccinated.

    But that’s not true. They’re actually cowards who are neurotics who are worried that they’re gonna be exposed, even with their mask, even with their vaccine, even with fleeting contact in a large space. “My gosh. What if I get covid?” You got covid, I got covid. Let it ride if you’re under 50, like, stopping such babies. What is wrong with everybody?

    CLAY: (laughing) Imagine being a woman voluntarily sleeping with that man. I actually am angrier at that woman. I hope they haven’t propagated and had kids because you know those kids are gonna grow up and be huge — I gotta be careful — wusses as well.

    BUCK: A lot of the good words we would use for coward, by the way, we’re no longer allowed to use, which I find distressing. But that’s a conversation we can continue another time.

     

     

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    Epidemiologist Calls C&B with Whirlwind of Information

    16 Sep 2021

    CLAY: Paul in Toronto, Canada, has been waiting with us for a little while. Paul, what you got for us?

    CALLER: Hey, thank you guys for having me on your show. I’m an infectious diseases epidemiologist with expertise in covid. I’ve been working in this for 19 months. So I wanted to just raise a point here. Our focus — my work — is in early treatment, which is that early treatment existed absent of the vaccine that we could have used to close this thing out. I’m saying here openly — I’m sharing my view based on all of the science right now — children are not candidates for these vaccines, under any circumstance.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    CALLER: They’ve not been safety tested, the vaccines. They provide no opportunity for benefit for children, only potential opportunity for harms — and we are seeing the harms that have emerged and the CDC’s various database and the adverse events, the deaths, this is a very serious issue. And children have a natural protection that, if we bypass it and we inject into the arm, we could get levels of death occurring in children the United States similar to what we’re seeing in the adults reporting in the CDC’s adverse database, which only captures 1%.

    And already we have 14,000 deaths. The purpose of this call is this: When we look at Israeli data today, we see that Israel implemented its booster program, two shots, August 1. When we plot the graphs, we saw that the infections were going up steadily. But what is very interesting and staggering is, if you look at August 1 onwards to now, you see that infections have exploded.

    In fact, what is showing is that a booster program, the third shot, not only did not stop the transmission, it exploded the transmission. And we’re arguing that the vaccinated persons are carrying such a high viral load in their mouth, in their oral cavities, and nasopharyngeal passage they’re contributing to the spread. This is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

    This has been false by the CDC and NIH. This is a pandemic of the vaccinated. Because when you look at the data out of U.K., most up to dated data is up to date. We see that the persons who have died infected with Delta, 70% of the deaths reported by Britain today — today — are those were double vaccinated. So what the media is saying is a complete misleading to the public.

    And there’s a recent study very seminal out of Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. They had 69 health care workers who were confined to their facility for two weeks, locked down, and these health care workers were double vaccinated. What did they find? They find with this lockdown that the health care workers all transmitted the virus to each other because they type the virus molecularly, to see. So the spread was within that facility, but more importantly, the research published in Lancet showed that the health care workers had a viral load 251 times — 251 times — viral load for the Delta.

    BUCK: Paul, for everyone listening, you called in; you said you’re an epidemiologist based in Canada. Clearly, you’re very conversant in the studies and the situation going on here. How is it possible, medically…? Let’s just say possible within the proven yet, that anybody who would be vaccinated could have 250 times more viral particle than somebody who’s unvaccinated exposed to the virus? Can you just give us an understanding of how that could happen?

    CALLER: Well, okay. But, first of all, I do have expertise. I live in the United States. I’m in Toronto today.

    BUCK: Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t hear you were Canada based. But go ahead.

    CALLER: (laughing) No, no. I’m infectious disease epidemiologist. Okay, the reality is we’ve always known that you never, ever vaccinate during an ongoing epidemic or pandemic. That’s a virologist’s greatest fear because you drive the variants and mutations. It is vaccination. You are putting evolutionary selection pressure on the pathogen.

    And it is selecting variants that are highly more infectious, not lethal, because it does not want to kill the host. It wants to survive. So it’s mutating downwards, Muller’s ratchet. It will mutate downwards, highly infectious. And those that are highly infectious, very ease of transmission will be selected forward.

    And those are the ones that are going to be the new dominant variant. So, we were doing that. We always had about 12 variants in the background in India, et cetera. And India vaccinated with the Sinovac, as an example, and then the Delta spread. It became the dominant variant for exactly how I just explained.

    And then what they’re realizing now is the Pfizer vaccine that we have existing right now in the United States, clearly in Israel — because Pfizer vaccine is the Israeli vaccine — it just does not hit the Delta anymore. The Delta bypasses the antibodies that the vaccine produces. So you are literally at zero. When you take a vaccine today, you need to understand something.

    The Wuhan strain — the Wuhan, the original strain February, 2020 — was what Operation Warp Speed built those vaccines on. What we have existing today, the Delta variant. That Wuhan is long gone, a year now. It doesn’t exist. You are being vaccinated for the vaccine that will fail. I want you to listen to my words: Will fail. And those doing it, those in public health, the medical doctors know this.

    There is no vaccine that confers immunity like naturally acquired immunity. Those with natural immunity… Another thing to show you: Gazette, et al, just published a paper preprint out of Israel — and why Israel again? Because Israel was the first out of the box with Pfizer, has the most complete data, the most population vaccinated today.

    They’ve just published a study that was stunning, and it should turn this whole vaccine issue on its head now and should stop this garbage by the CDC and NIH about natural immunity is not a prominent issue and doesn’t really exist. That is bogus, BS.

    CLAY: So let me just ask.

    CALLER: It’s not true.

    CLAY: You’ve obviously shared a lot of information from your perspective with us, Paul.

    CALLER: I’m sharing you the science. It’s not my perspective.

    CLAY: Okay.

    CALLER: This is raw data. I’m just giving you the side that you don’t hear.

    CLAY: I appreciate that. Is it your perspective, then — based on your knowledge and expertise — that the only way to end covid in the United States or anywhere in the world is natural immunity?

    CALLER: Well, first of all, to answer, I appeared on Rush three times before. God bless him. I admire that man. Anyway, let me answer your question. The only way to end this today with the Delta is this: We strongly double down, triple down protection of the high-risk elderly in the nursing homes for the first time. We have never done it in the United States, Canada, Britain.

    Our nursing homes have been the killing field. We need to step up and do it first. That is primary. While we are protecting the elderly for the first time, we implement some quick public service on vitamin D telling the public, “Get your house in order fitness-wise. Cut 15 to 20 pounds”. Obesity has emerged as the principal-super-loaded risk factor.

    Third, while we are doing that, we offer the elderly in the nursing homes early outpatient treatment. We have anti-virals that work. We give it to them if they get infected. Why? We will get them through the infection, they will clear it, they will become naturally immune and survive. No hospitalization or death. That’s the problem. When we put them in the hospital, they will die.

    At the emergency room door, you’re 40% increased risk. And fourth, the last part of this puzzle is, you allow the rest of the society — the infants, the children, the teenagers, the young, the middle-aged who are healthy and well. You allow the well in society to live a largely unfettered life, free — no masks, free — and let them face the pathogen like we’ve done for every pathogen.

    They will become population level naturally immune. And there is no vaccine, not these narrow spike-specific conferred vaccine immunity that is bogus. Natural immunity is robust, complete, durable, and lifelong. We have evidence today of people from 1918 Spanish flu. We are seeing that the immunity has survived a hundred years.

    BUCK: Paul, we appreciate the whirlwind of information and analysis here. We do have to do our commercials. Thank you so much, though, for being with us, calling in. Clay, we can unpack this a little bit in a minute. Also, I think we gotta get that transcript. First of all, I want to know… We have a lot of docs listening. I just want to know so this guy calls in, epidemiologist, obviously, super articulate, smart guy, right?

    He’s very conversant in all the Israeli data and everything else. Are there other docs listening of our audience who are like, “Yeah, this guy’s right; this guy gets it”? I’m just curious if we can get a little bit of that affirmation.

    CLAY: Doctor-only calls. That’s not a bad idea.

    BUCK: I’m sitting here saying, “All that he’s saying tracks with what I’ve read, and what type of heard from doctors in back channels.” So I’m wondering if anybody else who has an MD or is an epidemiologist can track with some of this.

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    CLAY: We’ve got a bunch of doctors who want to weigh in, I believe, but we’ll start with Julian in Tupelo, Mississippi. Julian, what did you think of Paul? Are you also a doctor?

    CALLER: Yes. I’m an internal medicine subspecialist. I’m a fellow of the American College of Physicians. And I thought your guest from Toronto just nailed it. I mean, I’ve been reading avidly about this epidemic since its outset. And there’s another epidemiologist, a guy named John Ioannidis.

    CLAY: Yes, at Stanford.

    CALLER: Right. In Stat, in March, he nailed what the mortality rate of this virus is gonna be based on the Diamond Princess microcosm.

    CLAY: Cruise ship.

    CALLER: Right. So yes, and what he said comports exactly with what I’ve seen in my practice here. I’ve had patients die who had been previously vaccinated. I’ve seen some pretty serious vaccine-related toxicities.

    CLAY: Do you feel, by the way, Julian…? We hear from a lot of doctors that they don’t feel like they can speak out because it’s somewhat of a… Science has a variety of perspectives and opinions, and it’s as if if you say anything other than the vaccine is the greatest thing that’s ever been existed in human history, that you’ll be shouted down.

    BUCK: You’re a monster who wants grandparents to die. Yeah.

    CALLER: Right. Right. Well, 50 years ago most physicians were in private practice and businessmen. Now most of them are hired by corporate entities.

    CLAY: That’s right.

    CALLER: I work for a corporate entity so I could be censored or censured.

    CLAY: Well, thank you for the call. We want to get a couple of doctors in.

    BUCK: Gretchen in Reading, Pennsylvania, family medical practitioner. Gretchen, thanks so much.

    CALLER: Hi. How are you? Thanks for taking my call.

    BUCK: So what do you think about our caller before?

    CALLER: Totally. 100% agree. I actually am a locum tenens doctor and I have worked over in the prison system in Hawaii before the vaccination came out, and I obviously survived. Of the 291 prison occupants, there was 18 that never got the virus — they should study them — and obviously were exposed to it and had no one die. But the therapy they were doing at the time was convalescent plasma. Didn’t have really… They weren’t using the other cheaper and effective generic therapeutics.

    BUCK: Gretchen, can I ask, does it track for you what he said about the vaccinated, because of the process of how viruses evolve and react to vaccines during an ongoing pandemic — does it track — that you can have people who are vaccinated who are actually spreading, who have a higher viral load to spread while in many cases having no symptoms? Does that medically make sense to you as a possibility?

    CALLER: You can be an asymptomatic shedder. You can shed the virus, yes.

    BUCK: But could it be in greater numbers for the vaccinated in some cases than the unvaccinated? Because that was the claim that he made.

    CALLER: That is what’s happening. This is a disease of the vaccinated at this point ’cause I am not vaccinated, and I obviously was exposed to coronavirus.

    CLAY: You have natural antibodies, then, yourself?

    CALLER: I haven’t gotten checked. I have not gotten checked.

    CLAY: Okay.

    CALLER: But I take care of myself. I try to eat properly. I’m not overweight. And I also take the therapeutic. My vitamin D level is good. That NAC, which has been studied previously using that in elderly to spike flu virus and —

    CLAY: By the way, I want to get to — sorry to cut you off, Gretchen. I want to get to one more MDs so we can get three of them reacting, Michael in Auburn, California, reacting to the call from Paul. We need you to be able to say fast because we’re finishing off the hour but did you agree with the substance of what he was saying?

    CALLER: The answer is yes, in short. And I’ll make this quick, so I don’t sound so pretentious. I have two covid treatment patents pending, and I have recently FDA-approved investigational drug for cancer vaccine going into trial soon. So not to sound pretentious, but I just want to let you have that background. I’m writing a white paper on this about “first do no harm.”

    And I think what he was missing… Everything he said I agreed with, but I think I was missing a few things to help the people understand what’s going on. If you look at your whole hand and consider that the virus and those spike proteins you’ve heard about are the fingers, you’re only vaccinated with the fingernail.

    When someone is naturally immune, they make antibodies against the whole hand including the fingers. So it’s also less likely that that will have a chance to mutate, but it is more likely to mutate and give you some variants in the vaccinated people. And the naive, meaning uninfected, hey, the virus is happy. It’s not even gonna mutate. Did that make some sense?

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: Yes, it does make sense, and by the way, Michael I’ve heard other MDs that I know personally explain it in a very similar fashion.

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