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An Unintentionally Hilarious Attack Ad Against DeSantis

30 Sep 2021

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BUCK: We want to start today with why is it that you are not hearing about the Florida covid caseload so much anymore? You probably know the answer just by the fact that we’re asking the question. But we were on this show and talking to you about it in July and August because the media was convinced that Ron DeSantis…

They would say things like he doesn’t care about old people or children dying of covid, horrible things. And then it became a joke among conservatives that Ron DeSantis somehow must have also caused a covid surge in Hawaii and in Oregon. What was Ron DeSantis doing to all these places? We knew that it was absurd and that they were scoring cheap political points when we all know that there’s a seasonality to the virus.

There has been from the beginning, and as it gets warmer in the summer months people go inside in Florida — more air-conditioning, greater spread of the virus. That’s at least the best theory out there for why this happened. And now you got covid cases in Florida down over 50%, I think really over 60. Depends on the time frame you’re using, but certainly over 50% in the last two weeks from the high.

So what’s going on here? Why aren’t they paying attention? Well, you get an idea of what’s happening when you look at the way that they’re trying to demonize Ron DeSantis. This is among the most unintentionally hilarious and powerful for the person being attacked political ads either Clay or I have ever seen. This is a new attack ad put out by Remove Ron on Twitter.

I almost… I want to check and make sure they’re not trying to not remove Ron because that’s how this goes. You have to understand, now… I know you’re only gonna hear this, but really juxtapose what he’s saying and the music, juxtapose the 50% drop in cases in recent weeks and what they’re trying to imply and just understand there’s a lot of people in masks in the video and everything. But the audio does it pretty well here.

STEWARDESS VOICE: (melodramatic music) Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of your cabin crew, we’d like to inform you that we have officially entered Florida airspace. Now that we’re making our final descent, please watch this short message from Governor Ron DeSantis on covid-19. Thereafter, everyone on board will be required to comply with the state’s forever purge.

DE SANTIS: We are not doing any vaccine passports in the state of Florida. We trust people to make their own decisions in the state. We are not gonna bludgeon people with restrictions and mandates, and lockdowns, or any of that stuff.

STEWARDESS VOICE: As Governor DeSantis stated, while you’re within state lines, I do not have to wear a mask. I do not have to get a vaccine. It is against the law for private businesses or schools to mandate masks or vaccines. And you have the absolute right to infect whoever you want whenever and wherever with covid-19. Thank you for traveling with us. And, please, enjoy your forever purge.

BUCK: (laughing) Clay, it’s amazing.

CLAY: It’s such nonsense. If Ron DeSantis had to pick his enemies and got to pick the way that they were going to attack him, for anybody who’s seen The Purge movies, that’s the trend line that they’re trying to tie into from a pop culture perspective. But, Buck, I think facts matter here. Only eight states right now have a lower covid infection rate than Florida in the entire country.

And Florida is down over 50% in the past couple of weeks. So the reason why I think all of this is significant is, one, we told you exactly what was going to happen, and this is why Florida is so threatening to so many people in the Blue Checkmark Brigade, to the Dr. Faucis of the world, to the Biden administration, because they didn’t implement a mask mandate, because they didn’t require covid vaccine passports, and the cases still came down.

And so what they try to do, Buck, is they try to argue — and you know this, but I think there’s still people missing what exactly is going on. They implement new policies, and then when the virus follows its natural course, they argue that the policies they implemented are the reason why the virus followed that course.

If everybody does it, then you end up with Australia where there is no real test case scenario to say, “Hey, was any of this actually necessary or beneficial?” Florida has proven how much of the Fauciites are filled with emperors wearing no clothes. Like, there’s no illegitimate basis whatsoever to virtually any covid restriction that has been put in place over the last 18 months in terms of making us safer.

BUCK: And you can see that there are some CDC studies, too — and just for anyone who’s wondering, “Is the CDC politicized?” They put out a statement from their official… The Centers for Disease Control, friends, is supposed to be about the science. They put out a statement on Twitter about “pregnant people.” Can’t say pregnant…

The Centers for Disease Control will no longer say “pregnant women” because, yes, it is a fact the only people who can get pregnant are women. I know this is a controversial thing on the left now. I understand that they do not like this biological reality. But it remains true, nonetheless. That the same CDC is riddled with politics, with politicization.

And you see this even with the way they’re putting out some of these studies now on masking in schools and outbreaks. They’re looking at places, because we know the seasonality effects, we know the bans of where cases had been rising over the summer. And so they’re trying to say, “See! See! Look at what happened.”

Schools where there was less masking in September have, you know, a higher probably or two or three X the number of outbreaks, something like this. Let’s say what these studies see in October and November as covid cases be, as they will, rise through the middle of the country and even up into New England and even up to Northern California, the Pacific Northwest.

You’re gonna see that rise. All the sudden, Clay, they just won’t cover it, the same way they don’t cover Florida’s seemingly miraculous drop in covid cases after Ron DeSantis was going around with a syringe, apparently, giving everyone in Hawaii and Oregon and around the world covid this summer.

CLAY: I think it’s super important to point out — and I would love if somebody did a study on the amount of stories discussing Florida’s rising covid rate and the number that are written discussing Florida’s plummeting covid rate. Because in theory, the rise and the plummet would both be newsworthy stories if you are going to determine that the covid infection rate overall is worthy of being covered by the media.

And I think you hit on a good point, Buck, because kids in my county are not wearing masks in schools, by and large, for the first six weeks of school or whatever the heck it has been. And cases all over the state of Tennessee have plummeted the same kind of way that they’ve plummeted in Florida.

Now they are trying to say — because just in the last couple of days there’s been a federal judge who has mandated masks, now they’re already trying to argue — “Well, the reason the cases are coming down is because there was a mask mandate in schools,” even though very few kids are wearing masks and there’s no mask mandate anywhere else.

BUCK: I’d also want to know, what is it about Europe where, apparently, they can’t see the data, Clay, and understand what the Fauciites in this country…? We’re basically the only country in the world —

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: — that masks up children as aggressively and as crazily as we do. And this is at a point now where the people that have been doing this, I think there’s a lot of repressed… I’m just gonna say, I think there’s a lot of repressed shame from parents who have gone along with all of this stuff and realize that we’ve been kind of swindled, that this wasn’t necessary.

That having Little Tommy or Little Susy on the playground choking through some dirty cloth mask all day because Dr. Fauci says it’s gonna keep them safe, this is a sad and pathetic thing to do. And parents should never have done it and I think a lot of people are clinging to the hope that they’ll find out that, no, it actually was a good idea; it was necessary. And we just have to tell everyone the truth: It wasn’t and it’s not.

CLAY: And, Buck, I would tie this in, remember when all of the playgrounds got shut down?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: They put crime scene tape around playgrounds all over the country, your 3-year-old couldn’t get in a swing in a public park and there was crime scene tape place like there had been 80 murders that had taken place on the playground. They filled in with sand all of the skate parks. They took rims off of basketball hoops so that nobody could take a basketball out and shoot.

All of it was mindless. It made no difference. I think, Buck, not only — and this is sad — are some people in denial because they don’t want to acknowledge they’re wrong. I think a lot of still believe that kids are in danger. They are so terrified that their kids are in mortal peril. They don’t know the data. They don’t know the reality. That’s why… Remember I asked you that question? I said, “What is your emotion when you see people wearing masks outside?”

BUCK: I feel sad for them now.

CLAY: That’s where I am.

BUCK: I used to be angry, and now I feel sad because they’re so emotionally and psychologically beaten down and they can’t even begin… It’s like they’ve got some kind of a battered spouse syndrome going on with all the CNN and New York Times —

CLAY: It’s an infirmity.

BUCK: — and Fauciism, and now they’re just… It’s like they’re paralyzed with this. Clay, of all the statistics that we could give, and you’ve made sure we talk about the be numbers frequently, the chance of a child dying from covid is literally one in a million.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: One in a million. So when you’re looking at it that way you start to say, “Hold on a second. What exactly am I doing here? Am I treating my children like they’re at extreme risk?” And, by the way, they also know that it’s unlikely they pass it to adults, which we never hear that anymore.

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Joe Manchin Says He Won’t Go Higher Than $1.5 Trillion

30 Sep 2021

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BUCK: Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia coming out and, man, you will be able to bathe in some leftist tears when you hear this one: 1.5 trillion, Manchin says, is the price tag he would go for on the reconciliation bill. That’s $2 trillion less than what Democrats have been talking about now for weeks.

Let’s just be very clear. That’s the whole thing on the reconciliation bill. That’s the all-in price tag he says he’ll go for, 1.5 trillion. And remember, this is through reconciliation. So they can’t lose a vote… They can’t lose Manchin on this one. There’s nothing they can do other than try to force this guy to change his tune.

He just was out on the steps of the Capitol. It was pretty fascinating. Clay pointed out in the break, Clay says, it was amazing. All the journalists were like, “Wait a second, sir! What do you mean? What do you mean? I’m an objective journalist and I’m holding back tears because you’re gonna spend less money and raise taxes less too.” Amazing.

CLAY: Buck, here’s a couple other little nuggets that are dropping. This is wild. On July 28th of 2021, Joe Manchin told Senator Schumer that his top-line cost was 1.5 trillion and had Chuck Schumer sign in writing what he was willing to vote for. Have you seen this yet? This just now ricocheting through Twitter.

So Schumer has not been willing to say publicly for months… I mean, if this document which is ricocheting through and looks to be 100% accurate, July 28, 2021, according to this, Manchin said, “We can begin the debate on the reconciliation bill no earlier than October 1st. Funds for the new legislation can’t be disbursed until all funding for the covid legislation and ARP has been spent.

“Any revenue exceeding $1.5 trillion goes to deficit reduction.” He says that he would support — this is what Manchin has said so far — “a corporate tax rate of 25%.” What’s it at right now, Buck? Twenty-one percent, I think, is the rate?

BUCK: Yes. That sounds right.

CLAY: I think it’s 21%. He’d raise the top rate on ordinary income to 39.6% and raise the capital gains rate to 28%, all-in. These are things that — and it says Senator Manchin “does not guarantee he will vote for the final reconciliation legislation if it exceeds the conditions outlined in this agreement.”

BUCK: So they’ve known.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Let’s unpack for a second the politics around this. That would mean Schumer and, I’m assuming Pelosi and the rest of them, knew at some level. Certainly Democrat leadership had to know that he had a price tag all along. So they’ve been making this promise to the White House.

Now, there are a couple of ways that this could be playing out, right? They put up the huge price tag so that they actually create a pressure. Maybe they thought they could get Manchin to move on this when this became “so popular.” You never want to be the real estate broker who says, “I got you a million-dollar offer on your house,” and then have to say, “Actually, it’s a half a million dollars,” right?

So maybe they thought that by pushing it publicly, the overshooting here would pressure Manchin? The other option, Clay — I don’t know which one you think is more likely based on this document — would be the Democrats wanted to just go forward and talk about what their vision is, and now they’re gonna have to tell the left-wing base that’s…

By the way, yesterday there were people that were making the case, “Spend whatever amount of money; it doesn’t matter.” That’s what we’ve actually gone to. So-called left-wing intellectuals will say, “Three trillion, eight trillion. Spend whatever you want as long as it’s for a cause we like.” They’re going to be disappointed, but at least it looks like you tried. What do you think? Why would they do this?

CLAY: It’s such a great question. I think it’s because they were trying to get the infrastructure bill passed before this information came out. And so they were trying to hide the ball on the liberal… This could provoke a Democratic civil war, Buck, inside of the party because if I’m… Let’s kind of take a step back. It’s a great question you’re asking.

If I am a liberal member of the Democratic caucus, if I am the AOC brigade — The Squad — in the House, and you have been trying to get me to vote for this infrastructure bill while saying, “Hey, we feel really good about the 3.5 trillion on the budget,” and in reality since July you’ve signed on to knowing that Joe Manchin will only agree to 1.5, they might have been…

Here’s what I think happened. I think they told Joe Manchin, senator from West Virginia, “Don’t say anything publicly about your 1.5 trillion, the fact that you’re shaving two trillion off,” right? “Don’t say anything at all about that, because we want to get the infrastructure bill passed. We’ll get the infrastructure bill passed and then you can go public with this position.”

I wonder on some level whether Manchin got frustrated because people kept ripping him, saying, ‘Why won’t he give us a bottom line number? Why won’t he say what he’s actually in favor of?” And finally he just got fed up and he said, “Hey, let’s release this thing that we got signed back in July,” ’cause remember, he had to sign on to begin the budget reconciliation process on 3/5.

So it looks to me as if he’s been as upfront as possible, Schumer’s been hiding the ball, and now I wonder. With all this drama, what’s gonna happen with the infrastructure bill, ’cause all The Squad members may roll out and say, “We’re not supporting this. We’re not getting what we wanted on the Green New Deal and everything else in the budget.”

BUCK: This is kind of the Afghan withdrawal version of budget reconciliation from the Democrats.

CLAY: (laughing) Great analogy.

BUCK: Everyone’s looking and saying, “Wow. This whole thing is coming apart.” With all of that said, it’s also worth noting here that $1.5 trillion —

CLAY: Still a lot of money.

BUCK: — is a lot of money, everybody! As I was just saying yesterday on this show, Clay, the Tea Party movement was spurred by a trillion. It was actually less. I think it was 900 billion in spending by the Obama administration as part of their so-called stimulus, right? Remember all that? That’s what — and a lot of that was extension of unemployment benefits and welfare spending and things of that nature — social welfare spending, they call it, right?

A lot of it. There was the shovel-ready jobs stuff that weren’t actually shovel-ready. We all remember that. But it’s still a lot of money. There’s also is some level maybe this a motte-and-bailey situation. People are familiar with the this a motte-and-bailey argument, right, where you make a reference to the medieval fortification —

CLAY: I don’t think most people are familiar with that reference.

BUCK: Let me explain a little bit. So the modern —

CLAY: I’m not familiar with it.

BUCK: It’s like you go really far with the argument and you know you won’t be able to defend that but then the keep of the castle so to speak the center of it you say, “Well, now I’m being reasonable.” So you go to someone, you say, “Hey, Clay. I’ll offer you five times what your house actually costs,” right? And you go —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Anyway, the point being, you make the argument seem —

CLAY: You give yourself space to look reasonable.

BUCK: That’s right. The secondary argument becomes the reasonable argument, even though the first argument you put out there was absurd. You say want 3.5 trillion, you get everybody used to that, and then you back down. “Oh, the Democrats are so upset about the $1.5 trillion.” Clay, it’s not like six trillion during covid. That’s also a possibility here. Maybe it’s all… Yeah, The Squad? The Squad’s upset that we’re not all commies. We can’t take them that seriously.

CLAY: Will they actually — and this is the question. We’re gonna continue to talk about this and for a lot of people I think at the top of the second hour we need to kind of reset what’s actually at stake here, ’cause it’s gotten so confusing. We’ll play you some cuts from Joe Manchin when we come back to close out the hour. This is breaking news as the Biden legislative policies are really kind of going to be determined, I think, in the next 24 hours as we go forward.

BUCK: There’s no chance they don’t pass anything right now, I think. That just looks too catastrophic. So they’re gonna have to… If they’re firm on the price tag, I think they gotta take the lower price tag. I mean, they have to.

CLAY: See, that’s why I think the question is, is the pride of The Squad…? Do they feel like they were lied to by Pelosi and Schumer, if this signed agreement is in place there? This is… I love all this.

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CLAY: We are reacting to major breaking news about the Biden administration, the Bernie budget, however you want to classify it. Joe Manchin finally seems like he’s gotten fed up and he went public with the fact that he would not be supporting the 3.5 trillion and had told Democratic leadership that he would not go above the 1.5 trillion in this new bill, and I want to play you the clips of Joe Manchin just now talking with the media outside the Capitol Building.

Here is cut 37 as he discusses his position.

MANCHIN: We have to take all this in consideration. We have a lot of good things we can do. And here’s the thing. My goodness. You have infrastructure bill, you’ve got this bill we have right now, and we have a reconciliation bill. I’m willing to sit down and work through that 1.5 to get our priorities in, and they can come back and do later, and they can run on the rest of it later. I think there’s many ways to get to where they want to, just not everything at one time.

CLAY: So he’s basically saying, “Hey, make it an issue in 2022 if you think you can get to 3.5 trillion. He also said we only have 50 votes which is why they’re moving through in the budget reconciliation process. By the way, worth mentioning, Buck: We still haven’t heard who Kyrsten Sinema’s demands are, because she also has been very outspoken in not supporting the three five, but we haven’t heard what she has demanded.

BUCK: Isn’t it amazing that the way the psychology of the Democrats has worked up to this point — the way the Democrat Party has presented this — it’s as though they have a mandate to spend $3.5 trillion in addition to the trillion-dollar infrastructure bill, by the way. Even just breaking up these two things — and this is a little bit of what is, I think, intentional here.

Because you say, “Wait a second. Is it 1.5 trillion inclusive of infrastructure?” No, no. There’s the $1.5 trillion infrastructure package and now he’s saying there’s a $1.5 trillion cap on the reconciliation budget all in. And people are saying, “Well, hold on a second. What’s really going on here?” Clay, $3.5 trillion plus a trillion dollars is bonkers.

(laughing) That’s what Democrats have been talking about like it’s normal for weeks and weeks now. The $1.5 trillion on anything of additional spending is a lot of money. So this is where you start to realize, hold on. Our whole for a lot of people of reference here, the Overton window of this discussion is expanded beyond what anybody should think is rational or normal, right? This is fiscal sanity? “Oh, it’s only gonna be a $1.5 trillion reconciliation bill.”

CLAY: Well, the big — and again, we need to lay all this out. The big question here now is timing. Because the closer you get to 2022, the more difficult it is to actually push anything through. And, again, what is the relationship going to be between the liberal wing of the Democratic Party…? I think we’re probably gonna hear them speak out now that Joe Manchin has officially said: Hey, I’m only good for one-five.

And, Buck, part of me wonders this: Does Joe Manchin partly hope that nothing happens? ‘Cause he’s called for “a strategic pause.” Is he in some way speaking out now to potentially blow up all of this and get to go back to the drawing board and essentially be the most powerful politician in the country right now? Let’s be clear about something.

Joe Manchin right now is far more powerful than Joe Biden is. Just think about this: Joe Manchin controls the purse strings of the entire United States government right now — he and Kyrsten Sinema — because we’re in a deadlocked 50-50 Senate. Buck, the ultimate trump card Joe Manchin has is not only repudiating the 3.5; he’s gonna be up for reelection in West Virginia in 2024.

He’s a Democrat in the state that Donald Trump won more votes percentage wise than anywhere in the country. What if Joe Manchin said, “Hey, I might flip to be a Republican?” and then control of the Senate goes back to the Republicans, and so Democrats don’t have a strong hand at all here to play.

BUCK: There’s also reporting that Manchin will only go forward with this as well after the Hyde Amendment is part of the support for this. It’s a legislative provision that bars the use of federal funds for abortion.

CLAY: That’s a big deal, too.

BUCK: That’s gonna be a big deal going into this year where it looks like abortion and Roe, Roe v. Wade, are gonna get a real look by the Supreme Court for the first time in decades. So it’s amazing to see. I mean, Joe Manchin — this is the quote from him. He said, “I’ve never been a liberal in any way, shape, manner, or form.

“So,” this is a great line, “If progressives want a bigger reconciliation bill, elect more liberals.” He’s straight up saying, “This is not me. It’s not what I’m about, not gonna do it.” So, Clay, I don’t see a way where he can back off of this — and why would he, really? You’ve got 1.5 trillion in the reconciliation bill that he’s now saying he’s go forward with and that Democrats are going to act like this is some kind of great betrayal, when they don’t have to a mandate.

This is as narrowly divided a Congress as you can basically conjure: 50-50 in the Senate, a handful in the House. Why, given that there’s such a lack of…? I mean, they keep saying it’s popular. They’ll use the term, “These are popular ideas.” Well, then why can’t it get through? Why aren’t Republicans on board? If it’s popular, Republicans like getting votes too.

They’re just… This is narrative creation. This is… Look, folks, we’ll break all this down for you the gong here in a minute. By the way, if you’ve got an idea about the strategy here you think Manchin’s deploying or what the Democrats were doing, we’d love to hear from you ’cause this just turned the whole —

CLAY: He cannonballed into the pool, Buck.

BUCK: Oh, yeah! Splashed a whole lot of Democrats.

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C&B Break Down a Wild Day on Capitol Hill

30 Sep 2021

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CLAY: In the last hour, Joe Manchin addressed a huge scrum of media outside of the United States Capitol and effectively submarined the $3.5 trillion Bernie and Biden budget saying he will support no more than 1.5 trillion of that cost, meaning he lopped off, by himself, two trillion from the proposed budget. Why is this significant?

We’re gonna walk you through it here. But let’s first play a clip of Joe Manchin saying the reason why his vote matters so much is there’s only 50 senators and 50 votes for this reconciliation budget; and so if he’s not getting what he believes should be in that bill, then he’s not gonna support it. Here is Manchin saying that.

MANCHIN: We only have 50 votes. Basically, take whatever we don’t — aren’t able to — come to agreement with today, and take that to on the campaign trail next year, and I’m sure that they’ll get many more liberal/progressive Democrats with what they say they want.

CLAY: Okay. So that is Joe Manchin just moments ago in the last hour outside of the Capitol. What’s gonna…? Let’s kind of set this in context, Buck. Right now, there is an infrastructure bill that the expectations were it would come before the House on Monday. They have pushed that now to today.

The last I have heard is that they are expecting to bring that bill to the floor of the House. It has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. Now, the challenge is, the liberal elements — the most liberal elements — of the Democratic Party have said they don’t want to vote for these separately because their concern is…

And I think it’s probably a valid one based on what you just heard Joe Manchin say. As soon as the infrastructure bill passes, there will not, then, be a 3.5 trillion or maybe even a $1.5 trillion bill that they can follow and they can pursue. So we’ll see whether or not that comes to the floor or not. The big take-away here is Joe Manchin has lopped off $2 trillion from this expense.

Still a lot of money, but $2 trillion gone, Buck. And now the question is, “Is this going to torpedo the infrastructure bill, potentially the budget at large, and everything is just going to go up in smoke all at once on Joe Biden’s legislative agenda?” How would you assess it? I’m trying to lay it out, ’cause I know this is complicated for people out there who haven’t been following this legislative minutia and are a little bit confused as to what might be going on.

BUCK: So I’m torn on this one, Clay, because on the one hand, there’s, “Oh, look, Democrat infighting. Isn’t this entertaining?” And, yes, maybe it won’t be a complete blowout of overspending. But, on the other hand, $1.5 trillion reconciliation package, half a trillion or a trillion dollars on infrastructure?

Whatever it ends up being, these are massive amounts of money. This is in addition to the federal expenditures that are currently, you know, locked into the budget and no one even really questions. They’re gonna raise the debt ceiling. The spending is going to continue. Inflation’s going to keep rising.

You have people that are arguing openly now for Modern Monetary Theory, and I mean elected officials, never mind talking head to just want to live in a fantasy world. But also, I’m reminded of how, for anybody who wonders about things like do we really have to — I don’t know — account for every vote?

Are election audits something we really need to pay much attention to? Hat tip my Friend Charles Cook down in Florida. He had some fun numbers here remind everybody, Clay. As we’re looking at the trillions and trillions of dollars that hang in the balance, you have 13,471 votes in Georgia that prevented Purdue from getting to 50% back in November.

Without, remember, one Senate seat, this is not happening. But what, how many voters we talking about in Florida here, really, as well, right? You look at the difference between just one Senate seat in one state, you look at how close some of these races were, and what would be right now a total gridlock situation where there’d be no additional spending.

Really, there’d be fighting maybe just over a much more modest infrastructure package. Every vote counts, friends. Every election, every vote, every opportunity to stand in the way of…I think it’s just basically ruinous. That’s where you have to see the Democrats for who they are.

They’re willing to roll the dice on this stuff because there’s an emotional belief in a lot of this. It’s the right thing to do, even if it means there’s inflation, even if it means the economy staggers and falls. They think this is what is righteous, not necessarily what is sound or sensible.

CLAY: Well, I will say this. A part of me thinks that Joe Manchin is crazy like a fox in trying to blow this whole thing up while pretending that he’s not. Because, as you mentioned in the last hour, he’s also saying that he wants the Hyde Amendment in place. Which, for people out there who have not paid a lot of attention to the Hyde Amendment, it essentially prohibits the use of federal funds, tax dollars, to pay for abortions, right?

I think I’m synthesizing that in a decent way. And Joe Biden flipped on the Hyde Amendment as a part of his presidential campaign. But I can’t imagine where we are right now with the Mississippi case soon to be in front of the Supreme Court, Buck. I just can’t imagine the Democrats in the House and Senate agreeing to that Hyde Amendment.

BUCK: And the Hyde Amendment point is important for of course whether or not that’s actually gonna be a stumbling block here. But also I think today is the 45th anniversary of the passage of the Hyde Amendment back in 1976. Hat tip Michael New for this historical background: 107 House Democrats supported the first Hyde Amendment.

“Every budget proposed by President Obama included the Hyde Amendment, and yet this year all House Democrats decided they would vote for a budget that didn’t include it,” end quote. Clay, the Democrat Party has moved to absolutism on the issue. It used to be just considered that was a concession they were gonna make. We’re not gonna actually take your tax dollars and pay for abortion.

The Democrat Party of Joe Biden — this is a new thing — is the Democrat Party that rejects the Hyde Amendment. So the fact that Manchin… Oh, they’re gonna say, “Oh, what’s he doing?” No, the extremists are the people that want to dramatically change everything and act like they have a mandate when they on don’t.

The radicals are not the people that are saying, “Hold on. Let’s look at what’s really going on.” It’s the people that are saying, “Shut up. Put 2,200 and whatever pages through, spend trillions of dollars, and break from traditions in the Congress of the past that had been used to cool the temperature down a little bit.” Those are the radicals. They’re Democrats.

CLAY: Well, and this is why in real time I’m so fascinated to react to this, because, again, the Joe Manchin official statement going public just happened in the last hour. And, Buck, I want to know how it changes the calculus of the infrastructure bill, in addition to the fact that Joe Manchin may have blown up the Bernie-Joe Biden budget, which he certainly has in many ways.

Has he blown up infrastructure? And so is his calculated decision here…? I mean, is he setting up everything to blow up? ‘Cause, remember, he wrote a Wall Street Journal piece saying we need a strategic pause. He’s been very focused on inflation, which I think, to his credit he should be.

And now is he trying to basically get it all into 2022? You know, he said, “Hey, I’m sure if this stuff is so popular, they can run on it in 2022.” He knows. He’s not an idiot. He knows that they’re not gonna have the House next year and they’re not gonna be able to pass this.

BUCK: This was a great moment from his press conference out on the steps of the Capitol, Joe Manchin pointing out ’cause this brings it home for people. We keep talking about inflation, 3%, 5%. It was gonna be transitory or transient or whatever. No, it’s actually now longtime and real and rising. Dollar General. I’m sure a lot of you been there. I’ve been there. Dollar General’s got some great stuff. It’s no longer Dollar General, Joe Manchin points out.

MANCHIN: I’ll give you a perfect example. In West Virginia, I just saw on today on to where the $1, we call general dollar store, Dollar General. They’re no longer Dollar General. They’re a Dollar and a Quarter, a Dollar and 50 Cent General. That’s hard for West Virginians. A lot of people do shop there.

BUCK: There you go. I think that makes it real for people, Clay.

CLAY: Well, unlike Jen Psaki, he seems to understand that when businesses have higher costs, they have to raise prices. Remember earlier this week we played Jen Psaki saying, “It would be so unjust and inequitable for any business to raise prices.” That’s how inflation works.

When the business has to pay more money for their product, they pass that cost along to consumers, which becomes a default tax increase. And that’s what many of you are seeing all over this country right now when we’re talking about 5% inflation.

So I think Joe Manchin is right here about the way that he is responding to the Biden budget. And I wonder, Buck, again, one, is he trying to submarine all this, torpedo it? Two, is the antipathy going to become so pronounced against Joe Manchin that he really thinks significantly about changing parties?

BUCK: I don’t think he’s submarining at all. He think he knows he’s in the captain’s chair, my man. He’s at the helm. I think he figures they’re gonna have to come toward him and that the more moderate Democrats now have cover among their constituencies and the radical Democrats got their whole, “Oh, but we tried so hard. We tried for that 3.5 trillion.”

But everyone’s… Clay, they’re going to spend a mind-blowing amount of money if they pass any of this. And Democrats will just have to accept that and live with it because, alternatively, what is the Biden agenda in the year 2021? What is worked well with Joe Biden and the Democrats in charge?

CLAY: I would say… I would give credit to Joe Biden potentially for this idea, if I thought he was capable of coming up with it. Is it possible Biden never wanted the three-five? He didn’t want to have a fight with the liberal wing of his base over not wanting the three-five and he’s had a secret handshake agreement with Joe Manchin on exactly how much Joe Manchin will support for months, knowing they needed his vote in order to get through in reconciliation?

And so Joe Biden staying quiet has known about this all along, and he’s letting Joe Manchin take the flak from the left wing of his party, which actually helps Joe Manchin’s chances of reelection in 2024 because he can say, “I stood up to my party.”

BUCK: And what about Biden’s interest in all of this? If you get the 3.5 trillion started to go through — and people say, “Oh, but they’re spending,” then you get all the people that pretend they’re wonks and they’re all just echoing what some nerd from the Washington Post is saying ’cause he read it from…

What will end up happening is that the markets will start to react to the increase in the government spending earlier on, right? You’ll start to see this reflected in what expectations will be at some level it becomes a psychology dictates the market. And what is a real problem for Joe Biden and the Democrats going into the midterms in general?

Gas prices, food prices, inflation.

So they’re almost saved from their worst spending ideas and influences by going with this middle pathway where they can say to their left wing socialist base, “We got a lot, but it’s not our fault. We tried.” Right? So this… I still feel like this ends up being… I know probably isn’t. I feel like this ends up being almost a political win for Democrats, assuming they pass the pared-down version.

CLAY: We’ll see.

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Clay and Buck Head to Sweet Home Alabama

30 Sep 2021

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CLAY: Buck, as soon as we finish the show here, you are headed… Have you ever been to the state of Alabama at all before?

BUCK: I have not.

CLAY: There you go. Has Ali been to the state of Alabama before?

BUCK: Producer Ali has not.

CLAY: So you are both about to land in Sweet Home Alabama this evening, and then we are doing the show from Birmingham tomorrow — our affiliate station there in Alabama — and then we’re going to be at the Ole Miss-Alabama game for Buck Sexton’s first-ever college football game.

BUCK: And I’m gonna try not to embarrass Clay. I have been looking online at some of the best body paint options. So I think you gotta do a big, like, A for Alabama on the front and maybe O-L or — I don’t know — whatever you do for Ole Miss on the back. And then some face paint. I gotta go face paint too. You know, I go big or I go home. I’m gonna try to do it all the way.

CLAY: I’m trying to think. I don’t hardly remember seeing other than college kids who every now and then paint they want a recruit on their chest or something like that. I’m trying to think of an adult man that, you know, that has ever painted himself.

BUCK: Other than Puddy in Seinfeld at the Devils game?

CLAY: Yeah. That’s exactly what I’m thinking. “Gotta support the team.”

BUCK: And where’s the place for the big tailgate pregame party on Saturday?

CLAY: Yeah. We’re gonna be at the Innisfree Pub. So for anybody out there who is gonna go to Ole Miss-Alabama or going to be… Buck, I think what you’re gonna be stunned by is how many people come and don’t even go in the stadium, just come for the party, to me to tailgate all day, drink outside.

BUCK: That was my college football experience at my tiny college in New England was on homecoming weekend, there were all the parties that we went to around the football stadium. I did not care to see our tiny football team lose very badly to whoever they were playing so I didn’t go.

CLAY: Yeah. These people will be there celebrating and come to the Innisfree Pub. We’re doing… If you’re a college football fan at all, we are doing a live show for OutKick, and then a I’ll be on the Big Noon Kickoff show with Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush, Bob Stoops, and Rob Stone, that show.

But we will be live starting added 8 a.m. on Saturday from the Innisfree Pub, which is right there in Tuscaloosa. You can easily walk from there to the stadium. Buck and I will be there. You’ll be able to come by, say hi. We’ll have an awesome time, and you guys can come see what I think is going to be a gleeful Buck Sexton as he realizes that he’s lived… When’s your birthday? When do you turn 40?

BUCK: December 28th. Clay keeps telling me I’ll meet the future Mrs. Sexton at this football game.

CLAY: Yeah, so you’re gonna turn 40 on December 28th. You have almost made it two generations without going to a big college football game, so I think you’re just gonna have an ecstatic grin on your face throughout the entirety of the day. I really do.

BUCK: Let’s see what Dane in Elizabethtown, Kentucky, has got for us. Hey, Dane.

CALLER: Just trying to find out if Clay really didn’t like Buck because you’re gonna dip him into the deep end of the pool at the Crimson Tide game instead of something easy like maybe UT and Knoxville or something?

CLAY: (laughs) Look. I wanted him to go to a big game. I also believe that… I am curious. On Monday we’ll find out. But if I had to predict what will most impress Buck, I think it’s gonna be the girls. I think you are gonna be blown away by the Alabama and the Ole Miss girls. My buddy Dub, who’s an Auburn grad, is here nodding his head in the background.

I think for a guy who has never been to a college football game, the girls dressed up in their sundresses, I think you are going to leave — and I know it’s a little bit of a different world because you’ll have a hundred thousand people without masks and you and Ali are coming from New York City so I think basically… We talk about when normalcy is gonna return? College football fans have said, “Hey, we’re back to normal with the tailgating, the partying, the going to the games.”

BUCK: It will be exciting to talk to a 30-something-year-old female without two masks on my face and without having to say that I’m a male feminist and, “My preferred pronouns are…” So, you know, that’s gonna be a nice change. Thank you so much, Dane, by the way, calling from Kentucky. You know, Clay, that’s the thing.

CLAY: Nobody at Ole Miss-Alabama is gonna ask you for your preferred pronouns.

BUCK: That’s good. That’s what I like to hear.

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The Left Celebrates Success of Vaccine Mandate Extortion

30 Sep 2021

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BUCK: One thing that we’ve been doing, I think, pretty well here is Clay and I have been discussing with all of you based on the data, but also the mind-set of what I refer to as the commies, the health care authoritarians, the lab coat tyrants, the Fauciites. We know what their mentality is so we can often see where they’re going and predict it with some degree of accuracy.

And what you have going on right now is right in keeping with what we’ve been telling you for weeks if not months, which is it will never be enough. Whatever mandates they have gone forward with so far, as long as 1% of the country hasn’t gotten the shot, there will be Democrats out there who feel like not enough force and coercion has been used.

Not enough polarization of the American people has occurred. One of the… I don’t know if you could say the nuclear option for coercion, but certainly one of the great accelerants of this authoritarianism would be the introduction of a mandate to fly in the United States. You gotta get the shot or you can’t fly. Well, this is coming in right now, my friends.

Coming in right now from ABC affiliate in San Francisco, Dianne Feinstein has tweeted out, “We can’t allow upcoming holiday air travel to contribute to another surge in covid cases. Today, I introduced legislation requiring passengers on domestic flights to be vaccinated, test negative, or be fully recovered from a previous covid infection.”

Now, this is interesting, Clay, because at least I will say — while this is overreach and it’s authoritarian — Feinstein has realized the exclusion of natural immunity from the conversation is anti-scientific madness. There’s no argument about this. There’s no discussion.

There’s no good faith, “Oh, but… but, no,” and Fauci — ’cause he’s a little fascist tyrant — has just gone along with what the left the wanted on this. What do you think? Do you think the Senate will get this through? You think that this is what we’re facing this winter?

CLAY: So, this is really interesting, right? We’ve talked about the potential for vaccine mandates in order to fly in the country. It should not happen. I find it hard to believe that you could get 50 senators to agree to this, and I always think about it from the procedural process. Going to fly at an airport is already difficult.

By which I mean if you’ve got friends, if you’ve got family, there’s nobody who’s saying, “Hey…” Unless you’re super rich, I guess, and you have your own private plane, there’s nobody who’s saying, “Hey, do you know what’s really easy and low stress? Traveling during the holidays.” You know just puts me in a great festive mood?

It’s trying to get through security. It’s dragging presents. It’s trying to travel. So what I think about even beyond the stupidity of requiring covid vaccination passports in order to fly in the country, is the application of this rule, Buck. It seems to be really difficult, because are you gonna have gate agents checking to see whether or not people have vaccine passports?

Are you gonna have…? How often is somebody gonna forget their paperwork and they’re gonna show up at the airport? This happens all the time, right? You forget something that you plan to travel with. What are you gonna do about young children who might be 12 or 13 years old? Are you gonna mandate the vaccine for them too?

And much of the airline industry already is struggling. They haven’t had the same level of passenger travel ever since we shut down in March of 2020, and they’ve struggled in order to try to get their businesses back up and running. So I just don’t think that this is going to have a great deal of public support. And also, I say that with this caveat.

If cases were surging in October and November, I think there would be some support. I just don’t think you can get 50 senators to vote for it. I’d rather have the debate in Congress than have the Biden administration just wade in and make it a default rule. That’s somewhat encouraging, at least.

BUCK: It feels like the standard is whatever the level of public hysteria may be based on the media coverage of this at any point in time. Whatever. That’s how they will then gauge the government mandates and overreach. So they’re essentially lining it up with if everyone is freaked out. It doesn’t matter what’s true, what’s not, what’s worked, what hasn’t.

If people are freaked out, the Democrat position on this — ’cause, as we know be this is incredibly politically polarized — we’re gonna do more, we’re gonna go even further. I’ve gotta say, you have also this attitude that we mentioned before of people who are saying, Clay, “You’re a threat to the vaccinated if you’re unvaccinated.” This is the logic that you’ll have from Kathleen Sebelius who was Obama’s HHS secretary. Here she is saying that unvaccinated people, it’s like secondhand smoke.

SEBELIUS: To me, it’s a lot like secondhand smoke. Uh, you have a right to be a smoker. The science is very clear what smoking will do to you, what cancer will be caused, what kinds of health conditions, you have a right to be a smoker. What you don’t have a right to do is smoke next to my desk, to blow smoke on me, blow smoke on my children.

To force me to live in a housing facility where I am subjected to your smoke. That’s a line that we finally, in this country — that delineates what your individual rights are and what you have a right to do to make me sick and make my kids sick. So I think we’re looking at very much the same situation.

BUCK: Except she’s talking about breathing and not smoking. You actually don’t have the right to breathe normally anymore, based on her own analogy.

CLAY: Not only that, it doesn’t end, because there’s always going to be a virus that one person can spread to another person. And in my lifetime, we’ve never sat around and held people accountable for spreading the cold or the flu or whatever virus might move from one person to another, because we understand that in functional society it’s virtually impossible to stop the viruses moving.

Short of these Draconian lockdowns — which some of the crazy Fauciites still support — it is in fact an impossibility to stop. And so why would the logic end there? Let’s say that one day covid descends into being like the flu. The logic that she’s applying there would also apply for the flu or any other virus that might spread from one person to another, and this is why it’s a form of madness.

Now, I do think — and we were talking earlier, Buck, and I think it’s worth pointing out — in the early halcyon days of the vaccine when everybody was talking about how the summer was gonna be amazing and there was no risk and people who got vaccinated were out celebrating like crazy, throwing parties all over the place? All the restrictions got relieved, right?

Even Fauci himself came out and said, “Hey, you don’t have to wear masks anymore.” There was a form of euphoria as the cases were going down. Then in late July when these cases started to skyrocket again and we talked about the rise, the Draconian, authoritarian tendencies rise as case counts rise. So you talked about in the last hour — and I think it’s the, probably, most important question that we face as a country as we roll through the fall and the winter — what are cases gonna do?

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: Because if cases continue to go up, the authoritarian tendencies follow in close concert. If they come down, then there’s a lessening.

BUCK: I will say there’s also been a concurrent situation where the incrementalism of the Fauciites all along has been just two weeks, right? We talk about this frequently: Just two weeks, just a little more, just do this, just do that. The flip side to that coin is that on the other end of the spectrum there are people we keep saying, “Okay. This is the line they shall not cross.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: “This is where they have gone too far.” Unfortunately, they cross it, and we go, “Okay. Well, you may have gotten us on the employer mandate. You may have gotten away with it this time, buddy.” But they’ve gotten away with it pretty much every time, which is why when you hear, for example, the United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby, this guy is… First of all, United Airlines, I can’t say it’s the worst airline.

CLAY: You’ve flown Frontier — sorry, Spirit.

BUCK: Spirit you get what you pay for actually. It’s a good deal sometimes. I don’t know.

CLAY: I don’t have a strong opinion on any airline other than Southwest, which I fly all the time ’cause they’re in Nashville and I like them. But I know that people have strong feelings on airlines, and United —

BUCK: I’ve had days of my life ruined by United Airlines more times than I care to remember. That said, CEO Scott Kirby is saying, “Look, to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs. You get vaccine mandates, you gotta fire almost 600 people. Too bad! NBD. See ya later.” Here’s what he says.

KIRBY: Well, look I’m really proud, uh, and gratified that the United team — excluding the people that have applied for religious or medically accommodation — over 99% got vaccinated. It proves that vaccine mandates do work and that you can get a huge percentage of your popu — of your workforce vaccinated. You know, I wish it had been a hundred percent.

But it was never gonna be a hundred percent. But I think 99%, we feel really good about. Um, you know, I feel bad for the 593 people, the less than 1% that are going to leave. But we are focused on doing the right thing for United Airlines. Uh, and it’s great to have it in the rearview mirror for us and the ability to just move forward now.

CLAY: It isn’t in the rearview mirror. This is what we need to keep hammering, Buck. Even if a hundred percent of people were vaccinated, there is still going to be a massive amount of covid for years and years to come, and the idea… We also need to keep slamming this. The idea that a mandate is successful when you are forcing people to do something for their job or else you’re going to fire them?

That is what would typically be called an extortionate demand. If somebody came to you and said, “Hey, either you sell me your house or I’m going to shoot you,” you would have a high level of successful home sales. You wouldn’t then brag and say, “Man!

“A lot of people want to sell their homes; this is a sign of how well our home sale business works.” No, they don’t want to not die. People want to keep their job. Arguing mandates are successful because people follow them is not in any way a justification for the mandate.

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Dr. Fauci Was Wrong Again?

30 Sep 2021

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BUCK: “The Fauch” is running around and being a mouthpiece for the vaccine mandates as people are losing their jobs, and here’s an example of it.

FAUCI: The only problem is — is that we’re entering the cooler fall season and we’re entering a situation where the children will be coming back to school. There will be more activity in the fall. We have got to do whatever we can to get those already 70-or-so-million people who are eligible to be vaccinated. We’ve gotta get them to be vaccinated.

We’ve got to convince them through trusted messengers why it’s important for their own health, for that of their families, but also — something that we continue to emphasize — the societal responsibility to get that veil of protection over society.

BUCK: Well, first of all, we know that schools are not a big driver of the pandemic. We’ve known that for over a year. He’s full of it. We’ve seen in Europe the same thing. But, Clay, also we’re past the, “I’m just trying to ask and convince.” We’re at the “get the shot or you lose your job” phase, and it’s interesting that Fauci isn’t willing to say that.

CLAY: Well, and also, they keep saying mandates are really effective. Yeah, and you used the analogy the same way that pulling a gun on somebody is effective to get money. It’s not necessarily the right way. But yes, if you tell people, “If you don’t get vaccinated you are gonna lose your job,” and I think we need to hammer home how many people vaccinated.

‘Cause I don’t think this gets talked about enough, Buck. For people who are 65 years and older, 94% of the country has been vaccinated. Let me repeat that: People who are 65 years and older, 94% of Americans — and these are the people that are at the most risk — have been vaccinated. Eighteen and up, 77% of the population has been vaccinated. For people who are 12 and up, 75% have been vaccinated! We’re talking about three-out-of-four people who are 12 years or older have had a vaccine shot.

BUCK: The people who are vaccinated are the ones that are driving the mitigation policies and the masking in schools and all this stuff.

CLAY: That’s true.

BUCK: And you have to wonder: At what point will they just say, “There is no level of risk that I’m willing to tolerate; I’ll do anything that anyone tells me will mitigate risk in the slightest”?

CLAY: — risk in the first place.

BUCK: Right. They should be thinking of people who are vaccinated. If they really believe what they at least publicly what they say, it should be, “We go back to normal tomorrow because everyone’s had the chance. Everyone’s been able to get the shot. It’s more than enough time. People are not gonna get forced to get the shot.”

CLAY: And most people got it!

BUCK: And what’s amazing is — and most people got it. What’s amazing is when you look at the numbers the people who are scared are overwhelmingly the vaccinated.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And the unvaccinated are not scared. Now, I can tell them this. They’re not gonna convince them to be scared at this point. That will not happen.

CLAY: And telling them they have to do something is not the way. I’ll put myself in this category. I am far less likely to get a vaccine… Again, I’ve had covid already, have antibodies. But I’m far less likely to get a vaccine when you tell me that I have to do it, than I might have been in my own decision-making process. And I think there are a lot of people in that final 25% that think like me. You’re not encouraging that in any way by a mandate.

BUCK: There’s also a part of this I don’t think gets much conversation. I think there are people who… The vax, the vax mandate crowd, call them free riders on this, so to speak. But once you get to 70, 80% of the population vaccinated, the chance of you coming into contact with somebody down the line who is gonna have a high viral load keeps going down and down and down.

We’re not in the early stages of the pandemic anymore, and so if somebody wants to… Look, they’re playing their odds, right? They’re making an affirmative decision that they’re saying, “I think I’ll beat this if I get it, and you know what? If I don’t, that’s the reality of it.” But behind all of this, Clay, is:

The people who are vaccinated who view this as an issue of political tribal allegiance now are the ones who are still terrified. They want your kids masked up, want everyone to get boosters, want everyone to keep going with all of this stuff. Why don’t they feel safe? They got the shot. They say the shot’s what you need. What’s the problem?

CLAY: How about, Buck, the fact that we don’t hear enough that 94% of people 65 and up have gotten the vaccine? You know how hard it is to get 94% of people to agree on anything? That’s a tremendous success story. I think the fact that 77% of 18 and up have is a tremendous success story. The reality is Fauci told us when 75 or 80% of people got the vaccine initially, we wouldn’t have any more issues.

BUCK: Wait! Fauci was wrong again? At some point, people just deserve what they get from Fauciism and they deserve it long and hard, because this guy’s been wrong so many times, it’s hard to imagine anyone couldn’t see through it.

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Carl Sagan’s Warning: Skepticism Is Key to Science

30 Sep 2021

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BUCK: I sent this to the team last night, and I thought you would like it ’cause you often bring up here the basis of science and how while people like Fauci walk around saying, “I am science,” the reality is that they’re actually undermining the scientific method, scientific inquiry and — just on a philosophical level — the right to ask questions.

And then have answers that are based on data and that can be tested and retested through hypotheses. And there’s a quote that’s been circulating back from 1996. This was Dr. Carl Sagan on the Charlie Rose show. And here’s what he says about science.

SAGAN: Science is more than a body of knowledge. It’s a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true — to be skeptical of those in authority — then we’re up for grabs for the next charlatan, political or religious, who comes ambling along.

CLAY: Wow. That’s so well said. That ties in right now with… We didn’t talk about this a lot yesterday, but YouTube is now censoring anyone who says anything negative about covid the vaccine.

BUCK: Think about who’s going to be doing this, by the way. They outsource this to what they called independent fact-checkers. I know something about some of these fact-checkers. They’re people… They’re like the rejects from Media Matters. These are people that are generally the bottom of the list of those in journalism and media that you would actually want to be doing anything like this.

But they’re given tremendous power, and it’s because they’re the hatchet men, so to speak, and they’re the attack dogs of the left under the guise of being independent fact-checkers. I’ve come under attack from them before for stuff online. They’re all idiots. They don’t care about free inquiry — and they don’t care when they’re wrong, by the way. Because as we know, Clay, the purpose isn’t really about what’s true and what’s not true for these people. The main goal, the main purpose is to get you to comply.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s about power.

CLAY: It’s totally about power. And I’m with you. The fact-checkers should be the smartest people in all of media because the power that they’re being given to determine truth or falsehood is so important. But instead, oftentimes they are partisan hacks who are just seeking to score political points. I’ve had this happen to me; I know you’ve had it happen to you. You can share an opinion on Facebook? Not allowed. Can share an opinion on Twitter? Not allowed.

BUCK: I’ve had predictions. I’ve had predictions.

CLAY: Not permitted.

BUCK: Not permitted. I think this will happen in six months in this regard with covid. “Ah, nah, no, not allowed to do that! Misinformation!” They’ll put a little misinformation tag below it or whatever. The YouTube CEO recently, Wazowski or whatever her name is —

CLAY: Susan Wazowski or something like that, I think.

BUCK: And she’s saying, “Oh, the First Amendment’s an important principle for us.” These social media platforms were built on a lie. That’s what people need to remember. They became so prominent, they got where they are by pretending to be pro-free speech and platforms for the free exchange of ideas. They are now effectively DNC-controlled fiefdoms, when it really matters.

Not on everything. Yeah, if you’re Republican you can put something on your Facebook or whatever but when Hunter Biden is about to have a big story that might blow up the Biden campaign right before the election? They know they can be counted on. They know that they’re supposed to step in and tip scale to one side. Really, it’s like they’ve lied to society. That’s the way I view it. They are false in the premises they use to become successful. So I do not like them, Clay. I am upset with the social media platforms.

CLAY: It’s one reason I’m excited we have this show because I expect fully at some point for you and/or I to come into the ban hammer with some of these social media sites ’cause we’re saying things that are uncomfortable truths for them.

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Australia’s Scary Authoritarian Covid Crackdown

30 Sep 2021

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CLAY: We mentioned this yesterday and I want to keep hammering it, because but for Republican governors and but for our own system of federalism, we would have lost our mind and become Australia. This is the New South Wales premier saying that even when the covid lockdown’s in, unvaccinated people in Australia are going to face total social isolation indefinitely, Buck. Basically, they’re never gonna be able to live as normal people. Listen to this.

GLADYS BEREJIKLIAN: I want to be very clear. Locked-down unvaccinated will be very difficult indefinitely.

CLAY: All right. So that was a pretty quick statement there, Buck. But do you buy this? By next year — let’s say, we get into March, we get into April — do you think this vaccination obsession is still going to be going on in our country, or do you think we’ll have moved on because cases will have come down, so the obsession is not gonna be still there?

BUCK: Entirely dependent upon the caseload, right? Because here’s what’s gonna happen. They’re gonna have to find ways to justify why what they’ve done to this point has — yet again, for the however many times — not worked as they’ve said that it would. And the scapegoats here will be two things. One, the unvaccinated. But, Clay, I also think that depending on how bad things get this winter — and I’m just gonna say this. I’m very curious where you are on this. I’m back and forth in my head —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — over where this is heading in the wintertime. On one side of it, I’ve felt like, “Okay, we know the vaccines fade in efficacy. They still apparently do a pretty good job at keeping you out of the hospital and death.” So far, there is that troubling data out of the U.K., but we’ll see, right? So far, the data…

We haven’t had that breakthrough yet where we say, “Oh, my gosh. They don’t just fade a little bit. They fade almost into irrelevance over an eight-month period or a 10-month period.” We don’t know. But part of me also says maybe we have so much natural and vaccinated immunity this winter that… You’re gonna have cases, no question.

But it may be at that level where people start to feel like, “I don’t have to act like a total lunatic anymore,” because the lunatics are still really calling the shots. The people that are masked up forever… Someone sent me a study today, Clay, that is actually suggesting this. I thought it had to be a joke. To be fair, I haven’t read the study.

But it’s a real study that has been published about how triple masking is actually the most effective form which I used to bring up as a joke about the double maskers. Now that’s the next level. There was a period, you remember that as well, when goggles started to be talked about? Now, you have to wonder, ’cause you can get aerosolized virus.

It can actually… It’s much easier if it comes in your nose or your mouth, but it actually can enter through the eyes, apparently, too, at least theoretically. What they’re doing in Australia, though, they’re not even beginning to calculate the social cost to people, which is when this New South Wales premier says unvaccinated Sydney residents face total exclusion.

Think of the psychological and of course economic and health damage that has been done to people over the last 18 months. And a lot of it is completely unjustifiable based on the numbers, never mind the concept of freedom which comes with risk. And that’s what’s been rejected here. Free individuals are going to be make decisions.

They’re going to drive too fast. They’re going to drink too much. They’re gonna vote for the, quote, “wrong party,” right? You can start to see where this all goes and the leftist authoritarian mentality is we need to stamp out all that freedom, and covid just becomes the great excuse.

CLAY: This is why — we were talking earlier in the first hour about when you see — I walk my kids to school every day. It’s a great luxury. We’ve got a neighborhood school, public school. I can walk my two youngest to school every single day. So I have my fifth grader and my first grader, I look at this them to school.

I pass a lot of parents — I know a lot of them — and most people in my neighborhood. Kids aren’t wearing masks but some of the kids still are and when I see a kid that is wearing a mask or preparing to wear a mask in school, I just think how awful the last 18 months of those people’s lives must have been and how much damage they likely have done psychologically to their kids by convincing them they’re in danger from something that isn’t a danger.

And, Buck, before covid happened, if you had a friend who was a parent and that friend had said, “Yeah, I’m nervous about taking my kids to school today ’cause I’m afraid we’re gonna die in a traffic accident on the way to school” or “I’m gonna walk to school with my kids today but I’m a little bit afraid that somebody’s gonna drive by and murder us” or if they had said, “Hey, it’s flu season.

“I’m thinking about not putting my kids in school because I’m terrified they’re gonna die of the seasonal flu,” all of those things are far more likely to kill children than covid is. If anyone had made those arguments as a mom or a dad, you would have thought that they had significant psychological issues. You really would have. And it wouldn’t have been a crazy idea.

BUCK: And wouldn’t have, by the way.

CLAY: And would have.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: And that’s where we are with something that is far less danger to their children now, and we’ve normalized it, and a country like Australia… I’m thankful that at least we have federalism and Republican governors, because but for that, we would have descended into the insanity that is Australia.

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