The Safetyism Fascists

23 Aug 2021

BUCK: This is Buck, and I will be joined by Clay in just a little bit. He has… Well, he’s coming back from Vegas as we know. So what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, I suppose, although there was poker going on. We know that. Clay is not staying in Vegas. He will be with us in a little while. Let’s talk about what we’re gonna talk about today.

We’ve got full FDA approval for the Pfizer vaccine came down today. So that means the vax police are coming for you. Get ready for this. They’re already saying it out loud that vaccine mandates are just going to grow and grow, and that they’re gonna use the federal government — what I’ve been warning you about all along, use the federal government — to push this stuff on everyone, even in states that have felt like, “Oh, I’ll be okay.”

Sure about that? Plus, the school mask wars are underway, and with it you have a big rise in reporting from the Democrat-aligned media about how there’s violence and scary things, bad people who want to get rid of masks on children. Isn’t it fascinating, the people who don’t want kids to have to stifle their breathing unnecessarily all day, they’re the bad people.

Even reports from MSNBC and others are saying, “The Proud Boys are anti-school masks!” Okay. Well, I’m anti-school mask. What does that have to do with anything? But this is what they do. They try to lump people together. They try to create fear and smear their political opponents. Then we’ll dive deep into Afghanistan.

Total chaos continues at the Kabul airport. You’ve got reports now of a shooting, a gunman at the airport. He was taken out. We’ll get some updates for you on that. But so far, we still know of a lot of Americans in harm’s way. There are a lot of people that are desperate to get out of that country, that face imminent death from the Taliban if they do not. And what’s gonna happen to all these Americans if they’re not out by the 31st?

The Taliban has already spoken about what they think should happen or what will: “Consequences.” Pretty ominous consequences. That’s what they’re saying if we don’t get out by that date. So I’ve got a lot for you. Oh, and the Jeopardy host battles underway, the cancel culture left is getting rid of one guy, and now they’re trying to get rid of Mayim Bialik, the former Blossom actress, because she said her child wasn’t vaxxed or something years and years ago or didn’t get all the vaccinations.

Who cares! Cancel culture left, they’re out of their minds. That’s the point. And we’ll get into all of it in a moment. But here’s what we’re seeing. What was supposed to be unthinkable a year ago, even eight months ago, if you go back to the beginning of this year… I know you can all remember. I know you were with me on this. You go back to the beginning of this year, and you recall what the Biden administration was saying about the vaccine mandate possibility.

They were telling us, “Oh, no, we’re not going to do that. Oh, no, don’t worry, the vaccines will work so well, and this will be so amazing. It will end this pandemic. So we’re not gonna have to push people. They’re gonna to want get it. We’re gonna encourage them, but we will respect basic medical freedom.” That’s what they were saying. Joe Biden himself wasn’t gonna do vaccine mandates.

And now here we are being told, “Oh, it’s coming for you. If you’re in the military, get ready to be told vax or else! If you are a public school teacher in a blue state, yes, certainly, but probably in every state. I’m pretty sure if they have their way because the Department of Education is gonna start playing games with funding and regulations.

This is the many-headed hydra of the federal government in D.C., extending itself out to destroy physical freedom now, right? This is going even a level beyond. This isn’t just like, “I don’t agree with the tax rate.” This is, “Get injected. Make yourself sick.” For people like me who already had covid-19, it’s complete and utter madness, not scientifically valid to demand that people do this, at all, and not valid from an individual rights and freedom perspective to demand that anybody do it in general.

But that is where we are now. They keep expanding the Overton window. They change the parameters of the debate in the discussion, and they do it specifically in increments. There is an incrementalism here. It’s, “Oh, don’t worry! That thing that you’ve thought we’re going to this whole time, we’re not actually going to it. We promise.

“Just this one more thing. Just two weeks. Just a mask. Just two masks. Just social distancing. Just a few months longer. Just until we hit 70% vaccination. Just until we hit zero covid. Just until we hit zero mutations. Shut up and do what we say forever!” That’s where this actually goes, and you see it now. It’s obvious. And one of the problems we’ve had is they’ve been able to institute a kind of divide-and-conquer strategy.

And in order to override the federalism within our system, what they’ve decided is they’re just going to use the coercive powers of the federal government where they don’t have the state or the city in agreement with them — and where they do. Of course, it couldn’t be any easier like in New York City and Los Angeles and in countless other cities that are either already doing these things, putting these mandates in place, or thinking about doing them.

And now they’re very open about this. The Democrats aren’t even acting like this is some big deal, right? The Surgeon General, Vivek Murthy, is out there saying, “Yeah, what’s the big problem, guys? So we’re gonna mandate vaccines in a lot of places.

“So we’re gonna make you get a shot,” even though the shots wear off, even though lots of you don’t need them, and even though — I’m gonna say “lots,” millions and millions and millions of people — and even though at a basic, fundamental, individual autonomy and freedom level this is a grotesque government overreach. That’s what we’re-actually seeing. Here’s Vivek Murthy.

MURTHY: We already know that there are many businesses and universities that have moved toward vaccine requirements, and I think it’s a very reasonable thing to do, to create a safe environment. One other thing I think we need to do that some states have been doing to create a safer school environment, and that’s requiring that employees in the school — including teachers and other staff — are vaccinated as well to create a safer environment for our kids.

I think all these are reasonable because when we’re faced with the most transmissible variant that we’ve seen to date, the Delta variant. When we have our kids, essentially, is a point of concern here in our schools and their health and well-being on the line, we’ve gotta take every step we can. And so I think that these measures, these requirements we’re seeing are absolutely reasonable, and I think they will help.

BUCK: These are safetyism fascists. Let’s be honest — very honest — about where we are now. Kids are at almost zero risk. Not low risk. Almost zero risk from covid, very unlikely to spread it. Masks don’t work in schools. Otherwise, they would show us the data. Oh, on masks since I brought it up, there’s a scientific journal out there that’s The Dynamics of Fluids, which sounds more exciting than it is or might be. It doesn’t sound exciting at all.

I guess it depends on where your mind goes. But the point is, The Dynamics of Fluids has a piece out right now that says, “Yes, it turns out…” Here you go. The title is, “Experimental Investigation of Indoor Aerosol Dispersion and Accumulation in the Context of Covid-19 — Effects of masks and ventilation.” It turns out ventilation is more important than masks. Oh, gosh!

Haven’t we known that all along? And cloth masks don’t really work very well. Ten percent of particles are blocked, they believe, by cloth masks. Keep in mind they don’t know if that has any meaningful effect. Even if that 10% figure is true, that means if you’re in a room with somebody and they’re saying, “I’m wearing a mask; I’m safe,” 90% of the aerosols that would just be coming out of their breath normally — breathing out of their nose, their mouth, 90% of it — is in the air all around you.

But that 10% is really worth it. The chance that that person may have a 10% reduction in their aerosols means that all of us have to go around not able to breathe normally, constantly uncomfortable and anxious and being treated like sheep. Many people like to be sheep. As I’ve said, they just want to be part of the herd; as long as they’re safe and warm, it is all the same to them.

So it’s saddening to see this happen. I would have thought at this point in America we would at least have a 60 or 70% majority of people across this country saying, “Enough of all this crap. We’re done.” But we don’t. We’re not there yet. And in fact, what many of us would point to as warning signs for the future, things like what’s going on right now in Australia, the Democrats see this, and they think, ‘Wow, that’s quite a blueprint! Let’s give that a shot if we can!”

It’s effectively martial law right now. The military has been called in in Australia. They’ve got three, four, five deaths a day from covid. Think about how many people are dying every day from heart disease, from cancer, from stroke. You got three or four people a day dying in a country of 20-plus million in Australia, and they shut down the country, their government.

Aussies are people that a lot of us think of are laid back and cool. Their government is arresting teenagers for the crime of drinking a beer out on the beach at night! We see the videos of it. They’re pepper spraying 13-year-olds who are standing outside with signs that say, “Don’t mask me up,” pepper spraying them in front of their parents, by the way, because they’re not allowed to gather outside and oppose the rules about things like not being able to gather outside.

A big part of the Western world has lost its mind. These people are no longer reasonable, and they will keep doing this until they are forced to stop. At what stage of this have they shown a willingness…? At what stage have the lockdowners and the Fauci-ites shown you that they will say, “You know what? Maybe a little more humility, a little more turning to the facts, a little less reliance on hysteria and smearing one’s opponents about something that shouldn’t actually be political.”

I know that’s laughable now because it’s so political. But the fact that Democrats, 90% of them approve masks? It’s their MAGA hat. That’s what it’s turned into. It’s their symbol of political allegiance. It’s certainly not stopping the virus. Remember all that? Last June 2020, I could point you to articles. “They’ll reduce cases, 60, 70%! We’ll control this thing with masks!”

No. They’ll control you with masks because they’re the gateway drug, if you will, to the rest of this lockdown tyranny, the gateway drug to vaccine mandates for people all across the country. Florida, Texas, sure they’ll try to protect you there. Houston, Tampa, Miami area? They’re gonna try to force you at the city level — and if they can’t get their way at the city level, then the federal level will override it.

That’s the plan.

That’s what they’ve been doing all along.

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BUCK: So we have exactly what I’ve been saying is gonna happen for months unfolding right now before all of us, which is that cities are essentially defying the state level now. Right? So when the system — and you see this across the board. The leftists — because they are ideologically authoritarian, because they actually believe in the collective trampling on individual rights and that might makes right; all that matters is power.

When it’s in their favor, they say, “This is the system. How dare you defy the system,” right? When they have the power to do something even when they shouldn’t do it. But when you go to the other side of it, and all of a sudden, the system they were saying you have to respect isn’t something that they have control of?

They just nullify, they sabotage it, they undermined it. I don’t know. They changed the election rules. Whatever they do, they find a way. And here is the Florida school superintendent Dr. Carlee Simon, for example, defying governor Ron DeSantis on mask mandates.

SIMON: That masks are not a medical device, masks are preventive safety devices. It would be just as though we’re asking if students wear a baseball helmet when they go up to bat at a baseball game. This is to protect the safety of our students. So we are trying to explain this to the commissioner that as well as the governor and this is something that we need in order to help us run face to face.

BUCK: Oh, yes, it’s just like wearing a baseball helmet during a baseball game. What about wearing a baseball helmet all day? I mean, you could fall down and hit your head. Kids fall down. I remember. I was one. Kids fall down, they hit their heads constantly. It happens. Right? What’s the big deal? Wear a helmet all the time? What’s the big deal? Notice this is how hysterics always argue.

This is how the lockdown left has approached this the entire time. It’s always, “It’s not that big a deal. Just two weeks, friends! Just two weeks. Just one shot. Actually, just two! Actually, just shut up and take as many shots as we tell you to.” This is how they do incrementalism. It’s not just on health issues, but on this one we see it particularly strongly.

In this case, it is abundantly clear what we are up against, and so they tell you it’s about a safety device. More head injuries that are fatal and serious in cars than just about anywhere else. Why aren’t they demanding helmets in cars for everybody all the time? What’s the matter? You don’t want people to live? You’re a bad person? You don’t want to drive around with a helmet?

First of all, I’d have all kinds of problems. I got a huge head. I had to get the extra, extra-large helmet when was in Iraq flying around in Blackhawks and stuff ’cause you had to wear a helmet in a military helicopter because of the way it was jostling and throw you around and 240 Gulfs would open up and things would start getting spicy in the air.

And your car! You’re driving around right now in your Ford or your Chevy or whatever. Why not wear a helmet all the time? This is safetyism. It’s an obsession with rules mandated by people who are incapable of actually assessing risk normally. And, libs, I really think the hysteria they have is a mass mental illness. I don’t know how else to describe it.

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CLAY: I was listening to you do the open of the show. Good job, by the way. This helmet thing is one of the dumbest analogies I’ve ever heard anybody make from a covid perspective.

BUCK: And you know how at the very beginning when you and I were opposed to the mask mandates, Clay, we’d say things like we would save a lot of lives in this country every year if the speed limit…? By the way, forget about a speed limit enforced by cops. Why should cars go faster than 20 miles an hour?

CLAY: It would be almost impossible for someone to die in a car accident if you limited cars to 20 miles an hour.

BUCK: And, yes, we don’t do that. We don’t want to do that as a society. Just feels insane and oppressive. That argument, the things that we would say at the beginning to prove how the other side was essentially going crazy in the early stages, now they’re going, “Yeaah, actually, that sounds like a good idea. Let’s give that a shot!”

CLAY: Forty thousand people a year, Buck, die in car accidents, and they tend to be relatively young, oftentimes relatively healthy, and yet we don’t make the decision to put governors on car engines and say, “You can only drive 20 miles an hour.” So effectively we’re saying:

“In order to drive at speeds that we consider to be reasonable — 55 miles an hour in a city all the way up to 75 miles an hour in rural areas — we’re willing to have 40,000 people a year die,” and the argument is not that we don’t care about life. It’s that all of American life and world life and human life is predicated on the idea of balancing risk based on human reality.

BUCK: I think… I’m a big action movie guy. Back in the day, I used to do Action Movie Quote Game where anyone listening to the show… Maybe we’ll bring it back, Clay.

CLAY: That would be fun.

BUCK: We could do it on Friday. You’re a good action movie guy, too, so we could bring in Action Movie Quote Friday at some point. People call in, throw out the quote… It has to be good. It can’t be, “Do you want water with your dinner?” or something. It has to be an iconic quote.

And what we’ve got here is the situation where The Matrix is one of my all-time favorite action movies — one of the best — the first one. The second was eh, and the third one was trash. But the first Matrix movie was amazing. It’s as though Democrats… You know, it’s supposed to be horrifying when you see people that are being used as human batteries in the pink goo.

It’s as if in our covert safetyism world, Democrats think, “Well, you’re in the pink goo and you’re safe and you don’t get covid and you’re part of the collective and your life force is batterying a robotic race of androids” or whatever. They look at this and instead of being horrified they’re like, “You’re not getting covid! You’re social distanced.”

CLAY: Well, what’s so funny, too, about that helmet analogy is, Buck, is NASCAR drivers wear helmets. So all of us would probably be safer if we wore helmets to drive cars, right, like we wear the seat belt. If we wore helmets, we’d probably be safer on some level.

But also it would be wildly uncomfortable and it wouldn’t make you very much safer, right? And so even in baseball, you only wear a helmet for the limited time that you are batting, unless you’re John Olerud back in the day. Almost no one wears a helmet in the field. You wear a baseball cap for the vast majority of the time that you’re playing baseball.

BUCK: Clay, we shouldn’t have bathtubs. People drown in the bath. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. You can get clean in the shower, right? I mean, people drown in bathtubs. It happens ’cause they pass out or whatever. People drown in bathtubs. Why do people have a second floor in their house? Clay, that’s reckless. People — especially some of the elderly — are at considerable risk from falling downstairs.

We know this. It happens all the time. No second stories on houses — and if you don’t agree that we should redo all structures in America, Clay, you’re an evil person who wants all people to break their hips and die! That is actually the covid mentality of Democrats now. That’s what we have turned into. Look at Australia. Four people a day dying, Clay. They’re locking up kids who go drink a beer on the beach by themselves.

CLAY: Eight kids, Buck. They tackled them. They were cuffing them — which, by the way, has to be more dangerous from a covid perspective than just letting them go, right? It’s so dangerous that we’re going to have police officers tackling kids who are drinking a beer in privacy? By the way, teenagers who have zero risk whatsoever from covid itself.

And, by the way, Buck, football. They are losing their minds in football because what they haven’t recognized is they put in place a covid protocol that predicates covid zero. Football itself is infinitely more dangerous to football players than covid is. I was talking with a buddy. We’re doing fantasy football season drafting.

He was saying, “Man, you know, the other day I saw one of my best players on my team was out, and I was said, ‘Oh, man, I hope he’s got covid.'” That’s literally what people are thinking now when they see one of their best players is out. They hope it’s covid, ’cause it’s far less serious than like a knee injury would be.

BUCK: Clay, did you see the Biden tweet over the weekend? This really put it… ‘Cause we’re in the path of what turned into a tropical storm here in New York, but there was a hurricane, Hurricane Henri. This is what Joe Biden —

CLAY: Oh, I saw this.

BUCK: — leader of the Free World, tweets out just to give you an idea, ’cause you’re saying, “Buck, come on! They’re not that…” Actually, people listen to this show, they know that I’m right. Right?

CLAY: They know that they are crazy. Yes.

BUCK: No. They know the other side is actually nuts, right? But for anybody who has any doubts, this is from the official Biden White House Twitter account. “To those in Henri’s path: Don’t forget that you may need to seek shelter while we’re still battling covid-19 and the Delta variant. So wear a mask and try to observe social distancing. And to everyone across the country, don’t get caught by the next storm. Get vaccinated now.”

These people are out of their minds. I mean, this is completely insane. Clay, can you imagine there are gonna be people that are running into a hurricane shelter and they’re going to say, “Uh-oh,” they are not vaccinated? “Yeah, sure, there are flash floods coming. I may drown imminently, but there are people in here who are not social distancing in this emergency shelter they’ve set up.”

CLAY: Here’s the other one, Buck. The official guidelines on how to prepare for a hurricane on the CDC website, the number one suggestion is get a covid vaccine. That’s before the emergency supplies! A hurricane is coming. What should I do to get ready? The CDC says you have to get a covid vaccine.

BUCK: Let’s get real here for a second, my friend. What’s more important: potable water so you don’t die in a few days if you are stuck in the midst of a major natural disaster, or temporarily reducing the possibility of you getting sick and giving it to somebody else who has already had the chance to be vaccinated and both of you already had above a 99% chance of surviving? Clay you already know what the answer is. You don’t need water.

CLAY: First on the list is get a covid vaccine. Fourth on the list is prepare to evacuate. If the hurricane was coming, the fourth thing you need to do, according to the CDC is prepare to evacuate; number 1, from their own website, is get a covid vaccine. I don’t even know who these people are. They are totally delusional. And you’re right. Thank God we have Republicans in this country, because otherwise all of America would be Allstate.

BUCK: We’d be Australia. This is the thing. We used to point at Australia and months and months back saying, “Look at how crazy they are,” and Democrats are now saying, “Wow. They’re really doing it right.” If they could get away with it, they would, Clay. If they could do Australia, they would.

CLAY: Australians… To your point, I was listening open the show. Australians are laid back, cool, reliable, fun-loving as a stereotype of a country, and they’ve allowed all this to happen. And it’s just insane.

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Senator Ted Cruz on Biden’s Multiple Catastrophes

23 Aug 2021

CLAY: We are joined now by Texas Senator Ted Cruz. I spent Friday playing poker for probably five, six, seven hours against Senator Cruz. It involved Phil Hellmuth, Doyle Brunson, many other different individuals. It was an awesome time. Senator Cruz, I appreciate you coming on. You love playing poker. I have not played a lot of poker in my day, but I do know Phil Hellmuth and Doyle Brunson are two of the most iconic poker players of all time. How much fun did you have sitting down, being able to go head-to-head with those guys?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, Clay, it was just ridiculous fun. It was truly a bucket list moment. You and I were both there playing on Poker After Dark. It’ll air in a month or two and to have a chance to go up against all-time greats — you know, Doyle Brunson, “Texas Dolly,” has two World Series Championships.

He has 10 bracelets altogether. Hellmuth has 15 bracelets. Just those two guys together have 25 bracelets between them. It was crazy to be sitting at the table with them. We also had the YouTuber MrBeast who was playing with us. And I gotta say, it was one of those moments that we’ll tell the grandkids about that.

CLAY: So it was an awesome time, and I appreciate you inviting me to be a part of that table. We were playing for charity, by the way, so there are three great charities that are going to be awarded the winnings there when that thing airs and everybody can see how it goes. Now, MrBeast is a YouTuber, and I was talking about this earlier.

Lots of people may or may not know who he is, but he’s got 67.1 million YouTube subscribers. And, by the way, that’s bigger than the population of France, Italy, basically the same (chuckles) as the population of England to kind of put it in perspective how many people that is. Some of our listeners out there won’t know him, but to my kids and your kids, he might as well be Elvis.

SEN. CRUZ: Yeah, our kids were giddy about it. He was actually very cool. He recorded videos for your kids and my kids. My daughters actually jumped on a plane and flew there with me. They didn’t care about the rest of us, but MrBeast.

CLAY: Yes.

SEN. CRUZ: Our girls are 10 and 13, and they were beside themselves with excitement. So it was really cool. They got to meet him. He was really nice; he was gracious. He took pictures with the kids. He hung out with them. It was really very kind of him to do.

BUCK: Senator Cruz, it’s Buck here. Sorry I couldn’t join you guys, but I didn’t want to have to take the deeds to your houses and the keys to your cars.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Mrs. Cruz would be very upset if the Buckster was able to run wild there at the poker table. So I wanted ask you —

SEN. CRUZ: And, Buck? Buck, I do need to ask you: Where should I park Clay’s truck?

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: That’s a good question. It’s a good question.

CLAY: My wife actually said when I left, Ted, “Whatever you do, limit your losses.”

SEN. CRUZ: (laughing)

CLAY: I think you took… The best hand I had all day. We came back and played into the late-night there in the Poker After Dark studios. The best hand I had all day, you basically cleared me out because you beat me by basically one card. It was one of the best hands you had all day and we ended up with a big pile of cash between us.

BUCK: Senator Cruz, I do gotta turn us here, if I can, to what’s going on in the world around us and here at home most notably.

SEN. CRUZ: Yes. Absolutely.

BUCK: Let’s start with how does the covid madness end? You’re in the Senate. You know what’s happening here across the country. The federal government’s getting more aggressive. New York City has and is enforcing vaccine mandates for all public life, essentially. What’s going on? How do we turn this around?

SEN. CRUZ: It really is ridiculous. This disease is gonna run its course, and we’re gonna beat this pandemic. But, in the meantime, we’re seeing a whole lot of idiot politicians whose authoritarian instincts are coming out, and it seems like they’ve never met a mandate they didn’t like. My view is real simple. This disease is serious. We need to treat it seriously.

And we have. We’ve taken extraordinary steps. But I don’t believe there should be any mandates concerning covid. That means there shouldn’t be any vaccine mandates. That means there shouldn’t be any mask mandates. That means there shouldn’t be any vaccine passports. You know, when it comes to vaccines, I believe in vaccines.

I personally have been vaccinated; my family’s been vaccinated. But I also believe in individual responsibility and choice. I think if you’re an adult, you ought to be able to figure out the health care decisions you make in consultation with your doctors. And these politicians that are trying to put mandates in place — whether it’s government mandates or whether it’s your employer trying to force you to make health care decisions — I think that’s absolutely wrong.

I think the mask mandates you’re seeing from Democrats are not based on science. They’re an abuse of power, and I think we ought to respect people’s individual liberty while at the same time, continuing to take serious steps to defeat the pandemic.

BUCK: So also, the situation in Afghanistan seems to be… Well, we know it’s precarious. There were some concerning reports about some gunfire, a gunman out at the airport. The Biden administration… We know it’s a catastrophe, Senator Cruz. We’ve talked about that plenty here.

We know the withdrawal plan looks like they came up with it in a matter of minutes and didn’t bring in any actual foresight or expertise. It’s just a disaster. What do you expect to happen here and what do you want the Biden administration to do about what’s playing out right now at Kabul International Airport?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, what they need to do, number one: The first priority has to be evacuating the Americans and getting the Americans who are in Afghanistan out safely. It is clear they had no plan to do so, and it has collapsed around them. That has urgency. I would say, simultaneous with that they need to have a plan to move the Afghans who assisted the U.S. military.

There were thousands of the Afghans who risked their lives to be translators to assist the military, and we made promises to them. We need to honor those promises. And so those Afghans need to be evacuated as well. Now, at the same time, we have an obligation to protect national security at home.

So, any Afghans that are being evacuated need to be thoroughly and completely vetted before they are allowed to come to the United States. The Biden administration is bringing tens of thousands in as refugees right now without thoroughly vetting them, without accurate background checks.

I don’t think that makes sense. I think they ought to be moved to a neutral third country where they’re safe, where the Taliban can’t extract reprisals, can’t murder them. And before anyone comes, we need to have very careful and thorough vetting to ensure we’re keeping Americans safe back here at home.

CLAY: Senator Cruz, I want to circle back around a little bit on the budget. We know we talked about this some (chuckles) while we were playing poker over the weekend. But it seems that that has kind of slid under the radar now, with all of the attention on Afghanistan, with all of the attention on covid.

And a lot of people are not recognizing exactly how radical this Bernie Sanders budget is. How do you see this playing out in the weeks and months ahead? Is it a $3.5 trillion bill? Do you know if Kyrsten Sinema or Joe Manchin are going to be willing to stand up to their own party? What is the political calculus as you see it of this bill?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, I’m very, very worried about it. It is massive. It came in initially at $3.5 trillion. It’s already been upped to $4.2 trillion. It’s liable to go up from there. It is spending on every left-wing special interest, every left-wing priority, and it is accompanied by trillions of dollars of new taxes. Every tax you can think of, the Democrats want to raise.

Whether that is individual taxes and family taxes, whether that’s small businesses or the corporate tax, whether that is the death tax or capital gains tax, they are looking to raise taxes by trillions of dollars. It is the Bernie Sanders budget. You know, it’s striking. Joe Biden spent the last year campaigning as a moderate, reasonable centrist, and now the Democrats are trying to pass Bernie Sanders’ socialist budget.

It is radical. It is extreme. We need to fight it. We need to fight it hard in the Senate. We need to pick off one Democrat. That’s not gonna be easy. You mentioned the two who are most likely, Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema. I am not terribly optimistic we will succeed in picking either of them off, but I think we need to try hard. I think we have better prospects for success in the House.

There are a number of House Democrats elected in districts where Donald Trump won those districts, and I think every one of those Democrats in Trump districts, they’re nervous; they’re looking over their shoulders. We just need to pick off a few of those House Democrats to defeat Bernie Sanders’ budget. But we need their constituents lighting up the phone and telling them:

“Hey, if you’re gonna come back to the district and pretend to be a moderate and claim to be a centrist, don’t go to Washington and vote for Bernie’s budget. Don’t bankrupt the country. Don’t crush families and small businesses with massive taxes,” and all of this fight is going to be with live ammo starting really next month in September.

BUCK: Senator Cruz, Buck again. Just wanted to ask you about the border before we let you get back to the business of the Senate. It’s the worst it’s been in 20-plus years. I’ve talked to Border Patrol and ICE folks who will say it’s in some ways worse than ever because it’s pretty much the policy of the Biden administration that it be what it is.

This isn’t like it’s not working as planned. It is, in a sense, working as plan because they want an open border. Is there anything that’s going to happen that’s gonna change this? And do you think that at least it is likely there will be an electoral backlash when the time comes from the American people because of the open border the Biden administration has put into place?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, the border is an absolute disaster. We’ve had over one million people cross illegally just in the last six months. We’re on pace for over two million people. It’s the worst rate of illegal immigration in 21 years. Texas in particular is paying the price, but the entire country is paying the price. Yes, I think there’s gonna be an electoral backlash.

And, Buck, you know, there’s a real similarity, I believe, between the disaster that’s unfolding our on southern border because of Joe Biden’s mistakes and the disaster that’s unfolding in Afghanistan because of Joe Biden’s mistakes. In both instances the disasters are driven by, number one, radical ideology — and, number two, absolute incompetence.

And that is a very dangerous mix. It is reminiscent of Jimmy Carter in the 1970s. The radical ideology on the border, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have handed border policy over to the radical left that believes in open borders. That’s produced the chaos we’re seeing. On Afghanistan, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are listening to the radical left.

They believe the Taliban are our friends. You know, just this weekend I was on a conference call with the secretary of state, with the secretary of defense, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And they were talking about all the steps they believed that the Taliban need to take to be welcomed into the international community of nations.

And it was such utter and complete nonsense because these are terrorists who want to murder people. They don’t want to be welcomed into the, quote, “international community of nations.” And the Biden team on Afghanistan are naive ideologues that you might find in a university faculty lounge rather than clear-eyed leaders that can keep this country safe.

But you take that radical ideology, and you marry it with incompetence, and you produce the kinds of catastrophes we’re seeing, whether it is the failure to do anything to secure our southern border or in Afghanistan, having no plan to evacuate Americans, no plan to vet Afghan translators.

And I’ll tell you, gentlemen, the most indefensible decision that Biden and Harris made in Afghanistan was giving away the Bagram air base. Bagram is a secure facility. We’ve invested over a billion dollars in Bagram. I’ve been there. It’s safe, secure. We could safely evacuate Americans and our allies from that base. What did Joe Biden and Kamala Harris do?

They just gave it away. A month ago, American soldiers disappeared in the middle of the night. They told nobody! So the Afghans woke up, looked around and said, “Hey, wait, where are the Americans?” And now of course the Taliban has taken over Bagram air base. They’ve taken over the military hardware we had there, and this crisis in Afghanistan would be much easier to solve if we still had the air base that we built, that we secured, and that Joe Biden’s incompetence gave as a gift, wrapped up to the Taliban.

BUCK: Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. Senator, we always appreciate you joining us, and we’ll talk to you soon.

SEN. CRUZ: Thank you, gentlemen. God bless.

CLAY: Thank you.

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Soon-to-Be-President-Again Trump Punches Wokeism in Nose

23 Aug 2021

CLAY: President Trump may be soon to be President Trump again, because I feel, like many of you do, that he is likely to run in 2024. You saw the crowd that he produced in Alabama on a random Saturday in August three years until an election actually takes place. And there was still a massive crowd there, and Trump really — as he often does, Buck — summed up things (laughing) really well when he talked about the woke virus that is spreading throughout America. Let’s play cut 28. This is Trump at his best cutting to the essence of the stupidity.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You know what “woke” means? It means you’re a loser.

CROWD: (laughter)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Everything woke…

CROWD: (applause and applause)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Everything woke… It’s true! Everything woke turns to (bleep), okay?

CLAY: How awesome is that?

BUCK: I miss him. Right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I mean, I know a lot of people listening miss him too. I feel like the two breakthrough things about Trump, Clay, from the very beginning of the campaign that led to his 2016 win that of course the Democrat-aligned media said was impossible, all that stuff, there was the border issue.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: He was in really a place by himself on the GOP, the wall, the border. But also his not just standing up to political correctness, but his decision very clearly to punch political correctness in the nose and laugh in its face afterwards. It was refreshing beyond one’s ability to verbalize. It just felt so good.

CLAY: There are so many Republicans who are desperate to be liked by the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and MSNBC. They are desperate to be beloved by those organizations, even though those organizations — as John McCain found out with some of the coverage that he got in the tail end of his career — will cut your throat in a moment if they get the opportunity to do so because deep down, they hate you.

Trump just said, “Screw ’em! I don’t care about ’em at all. They aren’t that impactful,” and I think that’s one of the great legacies that I believe he may have left, is instead of Mitt Romney-style sort of crawling around on your knees begging for likability there, he just said, “Screw ’em.”

And I think his innate gift is to be able — as you just heard on that clip — to cut through all of the noise and get to the essence of why this woke universe is so stupid. And, Buck, you were talking about this earlier in the show. Jeopardy, which is as beloved and I would say typically apolitical as a game show could be… I don’t think we want to see a woke version of Price is Right or a woke version of Jeopardy.

They didn’t pick the woke candidates, evidently, or not the woke-enough candidates. So they now have fired the would-be host because of jokes that he made on a podcast eight years ago or whatever the heck it was. And now they’re going after Blossom. I don’t even know how you pronounce her name. Mayim Bialik or however you pronounce her name. Blossom is how I will know her from the old television show Blossom. Because years ago, Buck, she said she wasn’t that excited about vaccinating her kids, and now they don’t want her to be a host.

BUCK: Oh, of course, because vaccines are no longer really, for a lot of people, first foremost about science or about safety, even. For a lot of people, the vaccine is a virtue-signaling, political allegiance mechanism which is why they really judge people. I was at a wedding over the weekend. The wedding was fantastic, by the way.

CLAY: Yeah, how was the wedding?

BUCK: It was great. First thing when I arrived, they check ID, vax passport at the door.

CLAY: I was wondering about that.

BUCK: They absolutely did.

CLAY: Who checked it?

BUCK: Staff.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: On Friday, they were checking vaccine and ID. They’re doing this in restaurants. They’re doing this in bars now.

CLAY: Now, how do you have you the vaccine in New York? Do you have it on your phone? Is it a card? What is the vaccine passport?

BUCK: You have a card. You can take a photo of the card and then there’s also this pass to New York. I don’t have this. I don’t know what it is.

CLAY: The Empire Pass or something? Yes.

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BUCK: Remember New York is the laboratory of insanity for what’s coming everywhere else, and that’s why one of the big challenges, Clay — and I felt was gonna talk about fun wedding things.

CLAY: (laughing) Yeah.

BUCK: Can you remind me to talk about fun wedding things from over the weekend? Because now I got totally diverted. But what I saw happening over the weekend here in New York City is they’re gonna try to replicate this elsewhere, and for people who think, “Oh, I’m safe from this. I live in Texas,” or Florida or… I don’t even know what they’re doing in Nebraska these days with covid restrictions.

But the federal government is now lining up to make this the same way you have to on a plane… I don’t care if you fly from Dallas to Miami, they’re gonna mask you up or they’re gonna arrest you. They’re going to do this for vaccines in different ways across the country. That’s what I see happening unless people finally say, “Enough is enough.”

CLAY: That’s what I’m terrified of. And that’s what they’re trying to do is, the government is using their bully pulpit to, literally the bully part of it, to try to get companies and organizations to mandate the vaccines themselves when they legally don’t have the ability to do it. So all of this is rolling together, and it’s going to be hard, I think, for people to stand up against it.

I’m hopeful that Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott and Bill Lee and Brian Kemp and other governors… I think there are nine states right now that are prohibiting a mask mandate on kids in schools, and I think that’s an important battle to fight, because if you lose that one, if you lose masks in schools, I think you’re right, Buck. I think the next thing up is, “Hey, you gotta wear a mask to go on an airplane.”

BUCK: We never beat this lockdown monster by feeding it more of our freedom. It doesn’t work. It just gets hungrier. It’s just a hippo that keeps growing. Remember Hungry Hippos when you were a kid?

CLAY: Oh, yeah. A great game.

BUCK: It was a pretty fun game, actually, back in the day, I gotta say.

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President Tells Companies to Discriminate Against Unvaxxed

23 Aug 2021

BUCK: Biden spoke and now this is what I’ve been worried about. The FDA approval is turning into, “Well, now we’re really gonna go for mandates.”

BIDEN: They looked at the mountains-of-clinical data, clinical trial data and the safety and efficiency data and concluded without question the vaccine was safe and effective for emergency use in December. That same thing we’ve got those shots in arms at the time, 350 million in the United States and billions across the world that kept poring over this data. The FDA approval is the gold standard. And as I just said, now it has been granted. Those who have been waiting for full approval should go get your shot now. The vaccination is free, it’s easy, it’s safe, and it’s effective.

BUCK: Clay, this is what we’re facing.

CLAY: To your point, Buck, look at the data, all right? Let’s look at the data: 73% now of people who are 18 and up have gotten the vaccine, 73%. Of the 65 and up, 91%. We were told — and this goes to, I think, the failure of expectations. We were told, Buck, when 70% of people had the vaccine, adults, that everybody would be able to go back to normal. Are we normal right now, Buck? Do you feel like we’re gonna be normal anytime soon?

BUCK: Oh, we’re never gonna be normal, Clay.

CLAY: That’s the whole point.

BUCK: It’s never gonna be normal. That’s where this… Look, that’s always the dream. The dream, climate change catastrophism. Why do people like this so much the Democrat Party? ‘Cause the dream is you have a perpetual narrative of crisis that allows for the trampling of individual rights, the mobilization of collectivism, and Democrats’ what they would think is benevolent authoritarianism, effectively.

Covid gives them all of that. And unlike climate change, there actually are, there have been a lot of people who have died from it. So they’re not letting this thing go. This is how they want the world to be. You and I are fighting for a world that they think they’ve defeated and is never coming back. They won’t say that now. But they also wouldn’t say eight months ago that they were gonna be mandating vaccines. The big take-away we have from what Biden has been saying here is that, Clay, he wants the private sector corporations to all mandate it.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: What’s gonna be…? I understand there are people in red states now are saying, “Oh, all right. I’m not gonna bend the knee. Okay, get the shot or you lose your job.” Some people will say, “I’m gonna go find another job or whatever.” But, remember, if it’s the state or if it’s a federal or if it’s across the board in your state and all the private sector businesses are basically doing it, now you’re just looking at unemployment.

CLAY: Yeah, and here’s my big flaw with this in general. (laughs) It doesn’t solve covid, right? And that’s what is so infuriating to me about all of these updates and everything that Joe Biden is going to say. Like I said, 73% of adults now 18 and up have gotten the vaccine; 91% of 65 and up. If we get those up… Let’s say we get it to 85 or 90% or whatever that number is.

The numbers out of Israel where they are about to set a new all-time high in covid cases, reflect that even if we get it to 85 or 90% like Israel is, this thing isn’t going away! So what is frustrating to me on so many different levels is, the Biden administration refuses to look at what the data is showing, whether it’s on masks in school kids or whether it’s on…

They keep saying, “Oh, we have a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” No, we don’t! The vaccines are going to allow many breakthrough cases. Look at what’s going on in Israel right now, and it’s as if we won’t look at the data and be honest with the American public, which is, “Covid’s not going away. It’s gonna be here for the rest of our lives and many people are going to continue to die of it forever.” It’s the flu. It’s endemic, Buck. Why can’t the president say that?

BUCK: Because you know what that would be? Not only is it a control issue but then there’s also the, “Hold on a second. If we actually just have to learn to live with this, then the reality is we basically should have learned to live with this 18 months ago, within a couple of months certainly of the initial outbreak.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I still say two weeks, yeah. It’s very hard to say hospital capacity given the numbers we were seeing out of Italy. That was a tough argument to win to say, “We can’t even do that.” But the moment it went after 60 days we should have seen this for what it is. Anything with a knowledge of history what happened with the Spanish influenza and what worked and didn’t work and how we were able or not able to stop it, this should have known and dragged into the madness. I just saw this as we were talking, by the way, Clay. My friend Saagar Enjeti who took over for me at Hill TV when I came up here to —

CLAY: The Hill, by the way, just sold.

BUCK: The Hill just sold. That’s right. I think a $140 million?

CLAY: Yeah, $140 million, something like that.

BUCK: Yeah. Maybe I should have hung on a little bit longer, you know?

CLAY: Yeah, maybe you should have. (laughing)

BUCK: Anyway. But I left to go do radio. I think the radio thing’s worked out pretty well, though.

CLAY: I think you’re doing pretty well.

BUCK: I think the radio thing is going pretty good. But, anyway, he just tweeted this out. Sagur is a friend of mine. I think he just shy of 30 years old. “I have a case of breakthrough covid. We’ll be doing the show from home this week. I feel like [bleep], but I have confidence since I’m vaxxed.

“My position on removing pandemic restrictions remains the same.” But here’s a young guy, early vaccinator, vaccinated, and he’s sick. He says he doesn’t feel good, and he got vaccinated ’cause you know what? His vaccine probably reached the point of basic failure now.

CLAY: Yeah. Yeah, and I think we’re gonna run into this in sports is gonna be a window into this. The Titans coach, Mike Vrabel, just announced he’s vaccinated. He’s also tested positive. There’s gonna be so many of these sports figures that get so much attention Jon Rahm, golfer, had covid (laughs) like eight times, feel like it’s crazy.

BUCK: I gotta tell you right now, also, if somebody told me… I know we’ve gotta come back here in a second. But, Clay, for a loved one at mine who is at risk, if they said, “All things being equal would you rather have this person already beaten covid and have natural immunity –”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: “– or get not only the Pfizer vaccine, but to have it on schedule every year ad infinitum until end of time,” no question I would say, “I’d rather have a loved one who has natural immunity built in at this point, just to give a sense of where the debate has gone. rather have this person already beaten covid and have natural immunity –”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I’d rather have that situation personally.

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New York Mag’s David Zweig Can’t Find Proof Masking Kids Works

23 Aug 2021

CLAY: We bring in, from New York Magazine, David Zweig, and he wrote a great piece — I believe it came out on Friday — looking at all of the data surrounding masks in schools and whether or not they work. David, I thought it was a fantastic piece. I appreciate you making the time to come on with us.

Let’s start here. The biggest study on masks that has been done in the United States for kids was, I believe — as you focused on — a 90,000 group in Georgia which showed if there was no real strong value to masking children. Explain what that study showed, and thanks for coming on with us.

DAVID: Thanks for having me. Yeah, the interesting thing about mask requirements for students is that after I did a really deep dive into the topic — and I’ve spoken with at least a dozen, if not two dozen experts on the issue — there are is no concrete evidence that mask requirements produce a benefit.

And as you noted, one of the only studies — according to the CDC it was the only study when it came out in May — where they actually looked at comparing schools that had a mask mandate with schools that didn’t have a mask mandate… And this is something, what’s essentially called like a cohort study where you’re actually studying comparing with and without.

And this is the only one that did it. And they found that there was no statistically significant difference. And that’s sort of like jargon within statistics saying that unless you have a larger sample size, that they couldn’t find a real benefit. And my angle on this was, “Look, if 90,000 students is not enough to see a benefit of this particular intervention, then that shows that if at best there is a benefit, it’s most likely very marginal.”

BUCK: And so, David — it’s Buck here — when they talk about “the data…” They’ve often spoken at different points the pandemic as though science is settled, obvious, clear, anyone who challenges the dictates of say the CDC or any number of other bodies or organizations is anti-science and being reckless, they will say that we know this works.

Is there something…? This is just… I see it all the time, right? “We know masking kids works,” even though as you point out, well, actually the biggest study that you can find shows that it doesn’t. Do they have some counter-study that is in any way serious? Do they even have data is basically what I’m asking? What do they show us?

DAVID: (chuckles) Yeah, so, it’s funny. I reached out to the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics, which sort of echoes the CDC’s guidance, and I said, “Hey, I’m writing an article for New York Magazine on this. I haven’t been able to find anything. What did you base your guidance on?” And the AAP sent me nothing. And the CDC sent me two links to something about vaccines and something else that is irrelevant.

And like I said a minute ago, I’ve reached out to numerous experts. And every time I reach out to someone who’s a real pro-mask mandate for children, they can’t send me anything. What they send is a study… One of them sent me a study that was done in Massachusetts where everyone was wearing a mask, and this is the problem.

There’s been researcher at Duke University who got a lot of attention for a big study they did in North Carolina, and the top line finding they said was, “Masks work! Mask mandates work on children!” But if you look at their study everyone was wearing a mask or at least they were required. You can’t say that something works if everyone’s doing it.

The equivalent would be if I said everyone wearing shoes in school is beneficial for lowering covid. You can’t know that without doing a comparison. And what’s important about this Georgia study, which I wrote about in my article — which I would love for your listeners to check out where I get into more detail — is, this is the one study, according to the CDC itself, that actually compared measures, and they could not find a statistically significant difference, a benefit of masking children as a requirement.

CLAY: Well, I appreciate you writing this piece, David, because I’ve got kids. I don’t know if you have kids. We’ve talked a lot about it on the show and certainly a lot of our listeners do and have kids. I’m curious about two different things, and I would encourage people to go read your piece, and we will tweet it out from the @ClayAndBuck account at New York Magazine.

You’ve gotten some doctors to talk. Buck and I have both had a lot of conversations with doctors where they will say, “Yeah, there’s no data necessarily that shows masks work,” but they’re afraid to speak out because they feel like they’re going to be shamed by their colleagues or their medical organization. I’m curious if you heard that from some of the doctors that you reached out to.

And second part of this question: What reaction have you personally got? Because it’s as if when you talk about the data and the science and question kids in masks, at least for what Buck and I see, you immediately get called to task as if you don’t care about childhood safety, which (chuckles) obviously is not true.

You’re just looking for a databases there. I’m curious what the reaction to this piece you have seen and what kind of reaction you saw, if any, from doctors about being reticent to speak on the record with you about this subject.

DAVID: Those are two excellent questions. To hit the first one, yeah, I’ve been writing about children and covid since spring of 2020. I was the first person to say, “Looking at Europe, kids should be back in school in America. Why aren’t they back in school here when they are throughout Europe?”

So ever since then I’ve been talking with experts around the country and the world, and over and over again — I have a rolodex filled with people, top infectious disease specialists, immunologists and others throughout the country — who say, hey, thank you so much for writing this. I want to talk to you, but I can’t go on the record with this.

CLAY: Yep.

DAVID: I have sources inside the NIH, at NIAID — that’s Fauci’s agency — who vehemently disagree with a lot of what’s going on but they cannot talk about it. So what happens if you are a specialist at Stanford or Columbia or one of these top hospitals, you are either explicitly told that you’re not allowed to go public with things or it’s just implicit.

It’s very hard. It’s a big deal if you are a physician or a public health expert to go against the CDC. Your boss, who’s running the department at your University Hospital, they don’t want that type of headache. So, in doing my reporting for the last year — and after and in particular on this masking article as well — I have some very highly placed people.

I have someone in my article who is very high up in the American Academy of Pediatrics, and this doctor refused to talk on the record. I was able to get some quotes from this person. But understandably, this is their livelihood, and there is such an environment today where people cannot speak out. And I should note that look. I probably don’t share a lot of the political views perhaps of you guys or your audience, though some of them I do. I am approaching this apolitically.

CLAY: Yes.

DAVID: I am not interested in the tribalism. I am interested in the data and the science, and that’s what I’ve been following. And that sort of segues to your second question which is, “Yeah, I’ve taken huge hits and so do some of the people who I end up quoting in my articles over time including this one.” There is a sort of…

I think there’s something that’s very threatening, and understandably so, sort of troubling for people when something that they believe to be true, something that they’ve been told is true and then when they’re confronted with information — and this is kind of human nature.

When you’re confronted with something that really challenges this foundation of what you’ve been told. As you noted, they’re not saying, “Look, we think we might have some good evidence.” No, the CDC is saying, “This works.” Many public health officials say, “We know 100% this works.” But when you actually look at the data and you drill down — and you’re someone like me or journalist who’s investigating this — and I ask, “Please give me the best evidence you possibly can give me on this.”

And the thing they send you is something that’s not a comparative study where everyone’s doing it — everyone is 100% are wearing masks — that is not persuasive. And I’ll sort of add a tag onto that point. But the thing that is persuasive to me is that I continually look outside of the United States.

And we have such a sort of solipsistic view of what’s going on here. What a lot of people don’t realize is that the CDC’s guidance differs dramatically from that of the World Health Organization and that there are numerous countries throughout Europe that are not masking little kids. They’re not even masking kids up to 12 years old.

And a number of countries are saying even above 12-year-olds, even kids in high school, “Only wear masks in the hallways or other crowded areas.” So people need to really understand that what we are doing in many regards is really an outlier type of situation from a lot of other countries around the world.

BUCK: We’re speaking to David Zweig. His piece in New York Magazine, it is very good. It’s “The science of masking kids at schools remains uncertain.” Go on NYmag.com to read that. David, before I let you go, we were talking about the discussion of how people can’t speak out, top infectious disease doctors ’cause one of the frustrating things has been people say, “All the experts say…”

And both Clay and I have contacts and networks where we know that is a lie. So when people go on TV and say, ‘All the experts degree, dot-dot-dot,” and they say something, a lot of the time that’s just not true. I want to know if you’ve come across as you do this research — and you’re, as we say, going at this apolitically — do you come across other journalists who have look at this issue specifically of masking but just more generally about lockdowns or mitigation measures and say, “Wow, I was actually wrong about some of this?”

DAVID: (bursts out laughing) Yeah, I gotta tell you, I haven’t seen too many mea culpa from journalists —

BUCK: Yeah.

DAVID: — or even from scientists. There have been a couple, and the point is it’s so notable when you see an epidemiologist or someone else say, “Hey, I was mistaken.” But one of the things we’ve seen over and over is that these models and these projections that have been coming out from even way back from March of 2020 have been wrong over and over again.

But yet the same people end up being interviewed and no one adds a little disclaimer: “Just so you know, the person we have on our TV show right now has been wrong repeatedly.” But, anyway, they’re the bottoms what they think’s gonna happen in the next month. So people need to take it with a grain of salt. And I am… Again, to me this is not a political issue. I do have kids.

You had asked that before, and of course (laughs) I don’t want my kids to be in danger but what some of the experts in my article talked about is, this is not a benign intervention. I know there are some adults who say, “It’s no big deal.” But none of us as adults in America know what it’s like to have been forced to wear a mask for years of our life as a child all day, every day in school.

This is a dramatic experiment! Do I think it’s a big deal for a kid to wear a mask for a few weeks or a month? Probably not. But we’re looking at something that is more than year and a half now, and what I talk about in the article is that Rochelle Walensky, the director of the CDC, by her criteria these, masks aren’t coming off for a very long time.

It’s only until every kid is vaccinated, every adult is vaccinated and other criteria. And as we know, a certain portion of the public is not going to vaccine their kids based under an emergency use authorization. So the idea of that is the benchmark that we need to reach?

There are little kids — 2 years old, 3 years old, even 10 years old — who are going to be wearing masks all day, every day in school. As the people I note in my article include some real pediatric specialists and others, this can have real consequences, particularly for younger kids who are learning how to read and other things where you need to see a human’s face.

CLAY: David, this has been fantastic. Science is about debate, and I appreciate you finding some scientists and doctors who are still willing to point out that this is a very unsettled issue at best, and, frankly, that the evidence doesn’t support it all. I’d encourage everybody out there to go read this article. We’ll tweet it out, we’ll Facebook it out, everything else. Thank you for your time.

DAVID: Thanks for having me.

CLAY: That is David Zweig at New York Magazine. That went pretty well?

BUCK: Very solid. We call balls and strikes here, Mr. Clay, and he hit that one nicely.

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CLAY: The amount of pressure that is continuing to be ratcheted up on anyone who is fighting back against the idea of masks in schools… Buck, I know you agree with me here. This is right now the battleground because it’s not just about masks on schools. It’s about trying to compel masks everywhere basically for as long into the future as you can imagine.

And some of the arguments, many of the arguments that are being made are just flat-out lies. And this is what’s so frustrating about this. I want to play cut 18 year. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy was asked by Chris Wallace on Fox News about parents being able to make their own choice as to whether or not their kids should wear masks, and Murthy flat-out lied. I want you to listen to this. This is significant.

MURTHY: Well, Chris, we know that the greatest protection to children is when all people are masked in school, and their decisions that we make all the time, uh, where we require people to do things for the better good. We have a list of childhood vaccines, for example, that parents have to make sure their kids have before they start school. This is just one or more example of that. It is a step we take to protect all kids and it is a step I think that’s relatively low cost, uhh, that is especially important to take during this pandemic.

BUCK: This doesn’t work, Clay.

CLAY: It’s a lie, Buck.

BUCK: At some point we’re just going to have to look at people and say, “I’m sorry that you’re having some long-standing and chronic emotional breakdown over the existence of a virus that is out there,” that everybody now who’s paying attention and honest saying it’s endemic; it’s here forever. It’s never going away.

At some point, we have to look at them and say, “I’m sorry you have an emotional anxiety disorder as a result of covid — that is a covid disorder, really — but we can’t do this. We can’t continue to all live with this anxiety imposed upon all of us because some people can’t handle it.” Clay, the question that I want to ask at this point is, “So we’ve just now accepted now that we never go back to normal?” Remember we used to have debates about how soon to go back to normal?

CLAY: Fifteen days to stop the spread, yeah.

BUCK: Now there is the “there’s no such thing as life before covid” if these lunatics get their way. You’re gonna be masking and getting shots and looking at social distancing signs forever. By the way, I talked about the article in the Fluid Dynamics —

CLAY: Yeah. (laughing)

BUCK: We had some fun with the dynamics of fluids. I don’t know. And different people have different expertise. What can I tell you? But the point here is they also that said aerosol particles travel. The six feet thing is a joke. The six feet thing is absurd.

CLAY: Totally made up.

BUCK: They just said, “Uhhhhh, I got an idea here! Let’s say that six feet is safer.” Why not 10 feet? Why not a hundred feet, right? You start to break this down. Because the aerosol particles go at least 20 feet.

CLAY: Are you suggesting that Fauci just made something up?

BUCK: I think so. I love that, our buddy Alex Berenson shared out an older photo of Fauci kind of standing next to Sheryl Crow at some event. You gotta see this. He has always been into the fame, and it’s true, and the people… Did you see the Chuck Schumer, what is it, the DCC —

CLAY: Dancing with Stephen Colbert?

BUCK: — or the DCCC or whatever the heck, the Democrat National Congressional Committee. He’s at some party and you got Colbert, you got these people all doing their little dance, dancing around and everything. They’re not worried covid!

CLAY: And Nancy Pelosi. Did you see her reported fundraiser where nobody had masks on except for the minorities who were serving the rich white people? Did you see that video?

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BUCK: Oh, I saw the video, yeah. By the way, this is what I’ve seen now in a lot of buildings in New York City where you have people who are the delivery people —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — the guys who were there fix somebody’s air-conditioning, whatever, they’re very strict on those people.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You know, if you’re riding a bicycle delivering food, put that mask on.

CLAY: You better have a mask on. Yeah.

BUCK: But residents? Residents are sophisticated in their anti-spreading efforts.

CLAY: It’s a “sophisticated” crowd like Obama’s party, a sophisticated, intelligent crowd.

BUCK: I don’t know what it’s gonna take, but I hope that these polls, Clay, aren’t true that say that 40% of Republicans support masking in schools. That should be zero —

CLAY: It should be 0%.

BUCK: — because they should know that Democrats and people on the other side have made this entirely political and it’s no longer about protecting kids. They should know that. I have no patience with those folks.

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CLAY: Yeah, I agree. And if they don’t know that, by the way, you out there in our audience should be saying, “Hey, go listen to Buck and Clay. They’re gonna share the data with you,” which is rational and real. And, by the way, even in New York Magazine, which is a left-wing publication, there was an article pointing out that there had been a study of 90,000 school kids in Georgia, right?

This is the thing about masks in schools. Nobody can point to anything, Buck, that proves that masks in schools make kids safer at all, because there hasn’t been a study. In fact, that study of 90,000 school kids in Georgia arguably pretty clearly laid forward that there is no reason for kids to be wearing masks. And I wanted to hit you with this.

Did you see this tweet over the weekend? This guy named Jason Wilson… I don’t know who he is. He’s a typical blue check. But he tweeted. I want you to listen to this. It’s a perfect like Mad Libs coronabro styling here. Here’s what he tweeted: “Friends, have their kids in Scouts.

“We go to the meet-and-greet, and I [crap] you not, the pack mother didn’t wear a mask the whole time. I got so anxious that I had to leave.” These are the kinds of people who are driving American policy, people who go to the other people’s kids scout meetings and are terrified there when a mom there isn’t wearing a mask!

BUCK: So, when I came back from Nashville to New York, I flew one of my favorite airlines, Spirit Airlines, of course.

CLAY: I’m glad they were finally back up and running again.

BUCK: Hey, they’re back up and running. And I saw what they do is they do the — and this is apparently policy, ’cause I’ve seen it on multiple flights, Clay — they will tell everybody… This is in an enclosed space, okay? We all know what an airplane is like.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They’ll say, “You better mask up or else we will actually have security come and physically remove you from this flight and ban you from the flight forever,” they’ll say that with their masks pulled down.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: And this is what you see now.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There’s a whole class of lib, there are leftists in this country the Democrat apparatus all buys into. If the scoutmaster, Clay, speaks to everybody without a mask on —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — she’s a reckless mass murderer who probably voted for Donald Trump. If the airline attendant, though, because it’s policy pulls down his or her mask, and the flight attendant and speaks for five minutes to everybody in an enclosed space and a mask on, oh, that’s not dangerous because they say so. This is how stupid the libs have become in the age of covid.

I’ve never seen… It’s like people who actually believe that Trump was working with Putin and there was like hacking and the machines and the whole thing and Trump stole the 2016 election. Didn’t matter what you showed them, didn’t matter the fact they had in evidence, they were dug in on it. They’re dug in on this.

CLAY: I love flying at the airport; so I was out in Vegas this weekend. In the Nashville airport they have several different restaurants which have a bar that looks out into the main concourse. In other words, you sit on a stool and you look out and you’re facing out and you can reach out if you wanted to and touch people as they are walking by.

Those people all take their masks off, right? Literally sitting facing and speaking directly in towards the terminal, that’s totally acceptable ’cause they gotta a beer in front of them or because they’re eating something, they can literally touch somebody. But if you have your mask off in the concourse, unacceptable. Your brain has to be broken to believe that this is in any way a legitimate way to fight covid.

BUCK: We have an experiment, and we’ll come back. I want tell folks about some of the fun stuff from the wedding but also the some of the wedding covid situations.

CLAY: Yes. (laughing)

BUCK: My little brother is married. Yay.

CLAY: Congratulations. Where’d they go on the honeymoon?

BUCK: They’re headed to the South Pacific.

CLAY: Oh, that doesn’t suck.

BUCK: Bunch of little islands. But the realities of covid in New York City and how it’s gonna spread across the country. You know, they’ve just mandated, Clay, 130,000 teachers, and everyone who works the school system here, vaccinate or fired. You’re gonna see this in more and more places: Vaccinate or you’re fired. That’s what this is gonna turn into.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BILL DE BLASIO: Today, the New York City Department of Health will be issuing an order requiring all staff in the New York City public schools to be vaccinated. This will require that all staff of every kind — principals, teachers, custodians, food service, you name it — needs to have at least one dose by September 27th.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. You heard there the worst mayor in America.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Clay, you know people fight me on that one. That is a hill I will die on. De Blasio’s the worst mayor in America. You can bring me the mayor of Portland, and I respect that Ted Wheeler is horrible at his job in a way that’s laughable, absurd — and, honestly, kind of tragic for the people that live there.

That Lori Lightfoot is an awful mayor. There are a bunch of mayors that are close. Bill de Blasio is the worst mayor in America. He is single-handedly responsible for the near destruction of my beloved hometown and city here in New York. But, you know, he’s doing it through the school system now.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And for anybody listening right now, say, in Houston, right? Let’s take a place that’s in one of our safe states, so to speak. Florida. These are the safety-tree states.

CLAY: Although many of those cities are actually fighting against mask freedom, right?

BUCK: That’s what I want to get to. Even if you’re in Florida and you’re in Texas, the cities are now challenging state authority, whereas before, you know, when it was New York and New Jersey saying, “Lock down. Shut up.” There was no challenging anything. It was, “Oh, the state has quarantine powers!”

But, Clay, even beyond that, the federal government — which has tremendous sway over the hospital system because of the way Medicare and Medicaid payments are done. The federal government is pushing private businesses. Hospitals across Houston are… Some of them already have it. They’re looking at the vaccine mandates.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s the private sector doing it.

CLAY: Yeah, and I think again the big picture here is, the Biden administration is failing on everything. But one of the areas that they are failing on the most is what they are selling versus what they are delivering as it pertains to covid, right? Because, Buck, as recently as May what was the pitch?

“Get the covid vaccine and you’ll never have to wear a mask again, and you won’t have to worry about getting covid, and covid is gonna go away and we’re gonna get down to Covid Zero.” There are a lot of businesses and there are a lot of different entities out there that bought into that goal. And what we’re seeing — especially out of Israel, which is way ahead of us when it comes to vaccinations — is the covid vaccine is not going to be this magic pill, this panacea that suddenly eradicates covid forever.

In fact, Israel is about to set an all-time high for infections, and I’m afraid that the United States is gonna do the same thing in the next month or so. And it’s gonna move, Buck, it’s gonna move from Florida and Texas to all these other states that have been wagging their fingers.

All these other places, the Michigans of the world that have been saying, “Oh, everything’s perfect here. You’re Neanderthals in those states!” That’s not what the data’s gonna reflect. They’re gonna have massive outbreaks there too. I think that’s what the data shows.

BUCK: There’s also the Democrats who are just telling you what the plan is now. So today we had the FDA authorizing officially or approving officially the Pfizer vaccine. I think there’s some new name for it. I should look up what it is. There’s some new name they want you to call the Pfizer vaccine.

CLAY: Is that the one you got? Did you get the Pfizer?

BUCK: No, I got Johnson & Johnson, which was referred to by a friend at the wedding this weekend, who also had to get the shot just to be able to go to the wedding and also everything else… You can’t go anywhere in New York without this. You can’t go in a restaurant.

CLAY: Are they checking, really, at the bars —

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: — if you go out, you have to show proof?

BUCK: It’s probably 50-50 but how often do you want to play game when you have a business meeting or whatever?

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: It’s 50-50 if they’re gonna actually check anyplace. But a friend of mine referred to Johnson & Johnson as the Spirit Airlines of vaccines —

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: — which was kind of accurate. A little bit less hassle, a little cheaper but does it actually work for you, doesn’t actually get it done? That’s a whole other question.

CLAY: But you only have to do one.

BUCK: Yeah, you only have to do one. It’s just like Spirit Airlines, you only want to do it once.

CLAY: By the way, spirit was all set up, Buck, before today’s show to be the presenting sponsor of the Clay and Buck show for a long time and I think you lost them.

BUCK: I know. I’ll bring them back into the fold. What can I say?

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I’m a Delta Airlines, not variant, guy. Here we go. Here’s Bill de Blasio telling you they’re gonna have more mandates coming. Play 24.

DE BLASIO: We’re thrilled the FDA has announced today the full approval of the Pfizer vaccine. This is a game-changing moment. we’ve been waiting for this for a long time, to have the full approval of the vaccine. We now have it. This helps us move forward and we’re moving forward with our schools with this new vaccine mandate.

BUCK: More mandates coming, Clay. They’re saying it out loud. “Oh, now the FDA approved it? Shut up, peasants. Show us your arm. Get the shot.” That’s what’s happening.

CLAY: And here is the big problem, Buck. The data reflects that even if 100% of us — if every single adult in America were vaccinated — we’re still going to have a massive amount of covid cases out there. It’s not going to go away, and I feel like Democrats are selling to their sheep that covid vaccines are the key to covid going away forever, and it’s just not true. In fact, natural immunity is probably the key and it’s as if nobody will even hardly talk about it in this country. It’s wild the way this disinformation is being spread and how artificial much of it is.

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CLAY: We want to mention this, by the way. Devastating flooding just outside of the Nashville area where I live, a little bit west. Over 20 people have died in the Waverly, Tennessee, area. It’s one of the most devastating floods that has occurred in America in a very, very long time.

We want to, by the way, get the best possible code there basically to allow you guides to help donate. I will do that tomorrow, but I know we have a lot of listeners in that area, and we want to let you know that we are thinking about you as that flash flood hit.

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BIDEN: At the end of the day, if we didn’t leave Afghanistan now, when do we leave? Another 10 years? Another five years? Another year? I’m not about to send your son or your daughter to fight in Afghanistan. I don’t see where that is in our overall interests.

And the talk about how our interests are gonna be impacted? Let me tell you. You’re sitting in Beijing or you’re sitting in Moscow. Are you happy we left? (snickering) They’d love nothing better for us to continue to be bogged down there, totally occupied with what’s going on! So the idea this is… I think the history’s record this wasn’t the logical, rational, and right decision to make.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. There you had Joe Biden with the usual idiotic analysis of foreign policy you could generally expect from this guy for the last 40 years or so. Oh, yeah, sure! China’s really upset about the humiliation of the Biden administration and the catastrophe of the Biden withdrawal plan ’cause… Wait.

They’re gonna do what, now? China’s going to have a relationship, Clay, with the Taliban; they’re going to continue to push their Belt-and-Road Initiative, get access to resources. They don’t care about human rights, obviously. They don’t care about women’s education. But Biden is wrong, Clay. It’s almost amazing. It’s almost impressive how consistently and obviously bad his analysis of the world is.

CLAY: (chuckles) Every time he has an important choice to make, he makes the wrong choice. And he keeps… As you have pointed out and we have been pointing out on the show, he keeps shifting every discussion about whether or not the issues in Afghanistan are a boondoggle, as they are, right? It’s a total mess. But he keeps taking the opportunity to shift the argument to, should we or should we not have left Afghanistan, as opposed to taking responsibility for the disaster that is on the ground right now.

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CLAY: Buck, I want to hear about the wedding.

BUCK: Oh, man.

CLAY: What was it like? I want to have some positivity here to finish the show today.

BUCK: I know. First of all, the only downside I have to tell everybody out there is, there was no video of my funky moves on the dance floor.

CLAY: I refuse to believe these are great moves. I’m calling it out.

BUCK: I’m just telling you right now, I don’t even think you could handle all this funk, Mr. Travis.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But it was happening. It was black tie, and so it was a little… I would say the wedding part… I was the best man, so it was a little… I think you could say it seals in all the juices. A black tie is not really a… My producer Mark actually has video of me dancing at his wedding, which maybe we’ll put that up on ClayAndBuck.com.

CLAY: I would love to see this.

BUCK: Yeah, the moves!

CLAY: I’d like to see this.

BUCK: There’s so much funk and style in these moves, Clay. But producer Mark does have the video proof that it is a thing that happened so we’ll put that up on ClayandBuck.com for some EIB 24/7 subscribers maybe. I don’t know. So that’s how we’re gonna do that. But, no, the wedding was great. The weather this weekend was a little bit tough, but it cleared up enough. The food was absolutely fantastic. I’m a big fan of wedding food. Can I tell you actually one funny anecdote, though?

CLAY: Yeah, for sure.

BUCK: I’m sitting there with all my little brother’s friends, some of whom I’ve known ’cause some of them went to my high school, and I’ve known these kids… God, they’re all in their thirties now, so they’re not really kids. But some of them I’ve known for 20 years myself.

CLAY: You were the big brother.

BUCK: I was the big brother.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So I’ve known my little brother’s friends forever. So it’s his groom party or whatever, and we’re sitting there, and they’re talking about… I’m gonna have to make this as family friendly as possible.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But they were discussing advice — you know, advice.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I was asking people. They said, “Okay. What’s the best advice that you would give or you would have for somebody who’s just about to get married?” And one guy who’s been married for, I don’t know, seven or eight years now, said, “Two bathrooms.” He says, “You don’t have to have them in the… They don’t have to be next to each other.

“They don’t have to be easy… You need two different bathrooms, if you can get away with it.” Obviously for a husband and wife. All right. That’s interesting advice. But then there was this whole conversation about what I think we would term you could say “romance” when you’re married or if you’re a couple.

Romance before dinner became the topic of conversation and how it actually — and everyone just hear me out. It makes a lot of sense to be romantic before you have dinner, and some of the guys were talking about this. And one guy said to another, “That’s one of the best bits of advice, man, I’ve ever had. It’s a game-changer.”

His wife who was right there. They’re about 32, 33. She’s nodding her head enthusiastically like romance before dinner is the way to go. And it made this whole chain of transmission between a whole bunch of different people sitting at this large wedding table. And the woman says, “Hold on a second. Buck is the one who told me about romance before dinner a long time ago.”

And we figured out that I had started this chain of transmission that had changed many lives over the years, many marriages and relationships for the better by convincing people, Clay, nobody wants to get all frisky after they’ve had a steak frite with some bearnaise or something.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: You get romantic before dinnertime, build it into your schedule I’m telling you it’s a game-changer.

CLAY: I think it’s not only the eating, it’s also being tired. You get in bed and next thing you know — if it’s 10:30, 11 o’clock and you get up early in the morning — you’re out.

BUCK: Our audience that joins the romance before dinner movement, the testimonials that will flow in on Facebook from husbands and wives will be saying, “Wow. I can’t believe I never thought about that.” Game-changer. You almost schedule it in, Clay, ’cause if you wait ’til after dinner people get tired, maybe you gotta drive home from the restaurant.

CLAY: You gotta pay off the babysitter.

BUCK: Do all these things.

CLAY: You have to get the kids back to bed. There’s a lot of obligations.

BUCK: You build in your time before the meal. Look, people could say that I’m a crazy person, but I can just tell you this man; The proof is in the pudding.

CLAY: I think it makes a lot of sense. By the way, proof in the pudding you’re giving advice to the married people even though, by the way, you’re still not married. We’re just adding that.

BUCK: That is a fair point.

CLAY: That is a bit of a wrinkle in the proof-of-the-pudding argument.

BUCK: But I have benefited many a marriage with my thesis on this, I will tell you. So, romance before dinner, everybody, try it out.

CLAY: That’s fantastic.

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