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Deteriorating Biden Embodies America’s Decline

27 Aug 2021

BUCK: You have President Joe Biden yesterday addressing the nation, and it really, honestly, seemed like you had someone who in many ways represented in visual form the decline of U.S. power and prestige on the world stage. Biden seemed tired, befuddled, weak, confused, not what you want from a commander-in-chief after a mass casualty attack like the one that occurred yesterday.

One hundred and seventy is the most recent number we have seen in terms of casualties. It was even more than anticipated: 170 deaths, 132 others still unidentifiable in terms of whether we’re talking about men, women, and children. It’s an absolute grisly, horrific scene there. And we lost 13 of our own, 13 United States military personnel in this mission. Here is Joe Biden after this happens, first of all, telling everybody that, sorry, after a war, people get left behind.

BIDEN: We’re gonna continue to try to get you out. It matters. Look, I know of no conflict, as a student of history — no conflict — where when a war was ended, one side was able to guarantee that everyone that wanted to be extracted from that country would get out. And think about it, folks. I think it’s important… I know the American people get this in their gut.

BUCK: So, we’re gonna leave people behind, it seems to me, Clay. It’s just a question of who. This is what Biden is saying after what happened yesterday.

CLAY: Buck, I hate that this is the situation here on so many different levels. But Joe Biden seems to me — and I know a lot of you out there as well — every time I see him speak, it’s as if he has aged and deteriorated further. I don’t know whether he’s going to be able to make it four years. Other than people who have died in office in their first eight months, Buck, since Joe Biden is a “student of history,” I am as well. I can’t think of a presidency that has been worse in its first eight months than Joe Biden’s.

Now, you had some guys, you know, get pneumonia when they were giving their inaugural address and end up dying, unhealthy, in their first eight months, certainly. But this is really… I think even for the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrat believer, you can’t watch Joe Biden speak right now and think to yourself, “This is a guy who’s got over three years left in the presidency.”

Look at the pictures of guys who were relatively young in the twenty-first century who have gone into office. George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton bridging into the twenty-first century. Obviously, Trump only served one term. They age. The presidency is such a weight on your shoulders that for a 78-year-old Joe Biden, Buck… Are you with me that you look at him…?

And this is not even analyzing, necessarily, the politics. But just looking at him physically, I don’t see how he’s going to be able to stand up for over three more years in the most difficult job in all of the country, to say nothing of his decision-making or any of those things, just physically and mentally, I don’t think he’s got the wherewithal to be president over three more years.

BUCK: He was never impressive! This is the part of it that I think gets left behind. It’s not as though Joe Biden is the aging political genius or rock star or whatever it may be. He was just a “been around a long time, played the game the way he had to to keep his Senate seat in Delaware” guy, and now he’s been thrust but this role. He was, in some ways, perfect maybe to be a vice president because the Obama administration didn’t want anybody who was going to, you know, overshadow or create a real challenge.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: They weren’t gonna let Hillary Clinton be the vice president, and what happens now is we see that Joe Biden is in this role. He’s the president, and he’s supposed to be projecting not only calm and command to the American people, but — let’s be honest — an air of menace to our enemies! The enemies of the United States are supposed to think, “This is a guy we don’t want to cross,” and here’s where he made his pitch that we’re essentially gonna come after you, and we’re not gonna allow this to go without reprisal.

BIDEN: To those who carried out this attack as well as anyone who wishes America harm, know this: We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay. I’ll defend our interests and our people with every measure at my command.

BUCK: Clay, two things on this. First of all, to our conversation about how this president is doing and appears in the role — and I agree with you. I’ve always said this. I don’t like… You know, I try to avoid… People call him “the dementia patient president.” That’s really serious stuff. But he’s the commander-in-chief! He’s gotta be in the role. So he is deteriorating in a way we could see, and for any normal situation, you just feel sorry for him. You want people to take care of this guy.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Instead, he’s been thrust upon us as the commander-in-chief. So I don’t think that it comes across in the way it’s supposed to as, “This is a guy who our enemies feel like is going to make that decision at — the 3 a.m. phone call — in a way that will make our enemies feel like they’re on notice and that there will be consequences.” But beyond that, Clay, going after, what?

We’re gonna track down ISISK or whatever element of jihadism did this? That does nothing for the next four days, right? First of all, we’re not gonna track ’em down in the next four days. We don’t have the assets to do it. We don’t have the attention or the time right now. We gotta get Americans out. Bringing this up, it just felt so hollow as soon as he said it.

CLAY: I watched this, Buck, and it felt like somebody was trying to play a role and they didn’t have the acting chops to pull it off — and I know a little bit about not having the acting chops to pull it off, because I’m the worst actor of all time. We do skits for our television show on FS1, and everybody else on the show makes fun of me because I can’t memorize lines. I can say exactly what I think unscripted, but as soon as you start having me memorize lines, I fall apart.

And it felt like Joe Biden was trying to play a role in the way that he was talking there. The problem is, I don’t think anyone out there actually fears Joe Biden in any way. And look. There’s an obsession. There’s an obsession because of Twitter with playing nice. Right? With being likable and all these things. And sometimes you just gotta be — and I gotta be careful what word I use here ’cause I don’t want to get us FCC violation.

But sometimes you gotta be… I’m just gonna use it as a a euphemism. Sometimes you have to just be a total jerk, right? You can’t always be Mr. Nice Guy, and when Joe Biden tries to pivot and show that he’s willing to throw a punch, it doesn’t register, right? It just doesn’t register. Just like some of you out there know you had a parent at some point who you knew was never gonna spank you when you were a kid growing up; so the thread of a spanking you’re like, “Yeah, you’re not gonna do that.” That’s what the government, other Governments around the world I think see with Joe Biden.

BUCK: Even the most loving family dog you want to have capable of growling and showing teeth.

CLAY: That’s right. That’s a good analogy too.

BUCK: I think that’s true for all of us. It’s certainly true for the commander-in-chief here. And, you know, I just keep… I use that title even more than president right now because that’s really the role that he’s thrust into, right? Yes, he’s both, but right now it’s that. This is a guy who’s making the top level decisions for the United States military. This is who all the generals go to. “Sir, what do we do? Sir, how do we go forward?”

CLAY: Yes!

BUCK: And I gotta tell you, the former commander-in-chief before him who every special operations guy I talk to — and I know a lot of them — every person I know who is a door kicker, a war fighter, they just felt like he was a guy who got it and would give them the orders that needed to be given to protect the American people. Here’s former president Trump on what he saw yesterday.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Our country is really in trouble, and it’s only gonna get worse. What you’re watching now is only going to get worse. It can only go one way. We had something where they didn’t get near us. They were petrified of us. I let them know that if they do anything, we hit ’em rightly where it hurts, which is their homes. And they know it, and they were waiting for us.

They would have been very happy to let us go and take every American and anybody else we wanted, take our equipment. And for some reason, he botched the plan and took the military out first! No, it’s a very sad day for our country and a great embarrassment. Beyond embarrassment, it’s a very dangerous day for on you country.

BUCK: Clay, we lost more American servicemen yesterday in one day than we’ve lost in Afghanistan in years.

CLAY: Ten years — 10 years, Buck, is the number that I saw out there. Ten years! This is the deadliest day we’ve had in Afghanistan in 10 years, and I think it’s all at the feet of Joe Biden. And, unfortunately, Buck, you and I, for the past two weeks had been saying this is where we were trending. I just feel awful for all those people out there on the ground in Afghanistan trying to protect our country’s interests and all of their families back here that they have a commander-in-chief like this.

‘Cause, Buck, you and I don’t want to have an impotent commander-in-chief. Even if you are the most dyed-in-the-wool Republican and there’s a Democrat president or the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and there’s a Republican president, you don’t want a weak American president. We need somebody who can uplift our interests, and Joe Biden is not that person.

BUCK: I honestly wanted Joe Biden to wind down this war and continue on with the Trump administration trajectory here in a way that we would have had no real criticism of how it was conducted. Because that would have meant Americans would have stayed alive.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That would have meant our people could come back home. That’s what we were actually rooting for. It’s not what we are getting, and we owe it to everybody in this country to be honest about that. This is a debacle. It’s not a partisan talking point. It is.

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Buck to Watch Golf, Clay Previews Fall Football Tour

27 Aug 2021

BUCK: Clay, you know, I don’t talk about what I do these days ’cause, you know what I do? I basically eat, sleep, breathe radio.

CLAY: (chuckles)

BUCK: I go to bed at night reading books about politics. I wake up in the morning texting you stories that we have to get to. You have a family and kids, so you’ve actually got adult responsibilities. I just live in the matrix of conservative media all day. But I am going to go to a golf tournament this weekend that I’ve been invited to by some friends who really want me to come down, the BMW Championship. I have never… Okay. I don’t play golf. I think I understand the basic rules. I’ve never been to a golf tournament. What am I in for?

CLAY: Where is the BMW Championship?

BUCK: Baltimore area.

CLAY: Okay.

BUCK: Outside of Baltimore.

CLAY: So, I love to play golf. I’m awful at it. The golf tournament experience is really fun. If you are able to find a good place, if the weather is good, and you can just kick back and have some drinks, right? I think that is the most fun thing about a golf tournament. The most impressive thing about seeing pro golf in person is if you can get near the tee boxes and just see how hard these guys swing.

I don’t think television does justice for the torque that they put through to make contact with the ball. I’ve done a bunch of Celebrity Pro-Ams and (chuckling) whenever I’m in the tee box, Buck, I’m just thinking, “I hope I don’t kill somebody 20 yards to the right or 20 yards to the left, ’cause I have no idea where this tee shot’s gonna go consistently.” But it’s a lot of fun. I think you’re in for a good time hanging out at the Championship.

And I’ve gotten to go and broadcast from a bunch of these events. Golfers, I bet, a ton of them, are listening to the show, paying attention to what’s going on. It’s a good group of dudes, and I imagine as you walk around the course you will see and meet a lot of Clay and Buck listeners, which is a fun overlap to do. So, that’s pretty cool.

BUCK: Can I just say we always joke around that my dad is kind of like the guy from Caddyshack who insists on playing through the hurricane situation, the crazy rainstorm with the lightning and everything and then finally gets struck by lightning. If it is possible, my dad’s the guy who will go out to play golf every day of the week.

And I’m like, “Dad, isn’t there almost snow on the ground? It’s 20 degrees,” or whatever. “Oh, it’s great! The course is kind of empty.” He loves it. He’s all about it. So, I’m worried that if I dabble, all of a sudden I’m just gonna be somebody who’s, “Oh, gotta go golfing this weekend! Gotta go golfing every weekend.”

CLAY: Well, I used to play a decent amount before I had the three kids ’cause they just kind of vacuum up everything. So, this weekend I’ve got flag football. I’ve got soccer. And, Buck, this is the last weekend where I will be 100% home until December because we’re starting this college football bus tour. They’re basically putting me in the John Madden Cruiser.

So, for anybody out there listening who’s going to be at a major college football game all over the South, you can follow me @ClayTravis. We’ll be in Charlotte next weekend for the Georgia-Clemson gang. We’re gonna be in Knoxville on Thursday for the start of the Southeastern Conference football schedule. We’re gonna be everywhere.

BUCK: Is your cohost invited to any fun tailgate parties, Buddy? What’s going on here?

CLAY: You are welcome to any of them. We put the first three weeks out. So we’re gonna be in Charlotte, also Knoxville. We are gonna be in Fayetteville, Arkansas, for the Texas-Arkansas game. And then we’re gonna be down in Gainesville, Florida, for Alabama-Florida and from there we’ll continue. But we’re gonna throw an awesome tailgate. I’ll be on Fox & Friends for those of you who wake up on Saturday morning and flip on Fox News.

It is probably a lot of people. I’ll be on that show every single Saturday and I’ll be on the Big Noon Kickoff show. So, this weekend, honestly, I’m just trying to kick my feet up and relax because, in addition to everything else going on, boom! I’ll be on the road for college football the entire fall. I can’t wait, but it’s gonna be kind of a hectic schedule.

BUCK: If I had to go, if I had to ask you…

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This is hot seat time, Travis.

CLAY: Yeah, put me on the spot.

BUCK: No wiggling out of this one. I have never been to a college football game in my life. Never been to one.

CLAY: Really?

BUCK: Wait. I think… Well, not including —

CLAY: Like Amherst or something.

BUCK: I meant go to one and just be a fan. If I could come to one game — if I want the most extravaganza, crazy experience of an SEC football game, for example — what would be the matchup? I’ll ask you for the matchup that I should go to see this time.

CLAY: It can vary year to year, but if I were you, over the last decade, the best SEC football game has been LSU-Alabama, right? So, LSU is playing at Alabama in Tuscaloosa, just a little bit hour-ish outside of Birmingham. If you wanted just a “holy cow, I can’t believe this is real” experience, Ole Miss, University of Mississippi in Oxford, Mississippi, in The Grove, Buck.

You will walk around the tailgate scene there, and you will think to yourself, “I can’t believe that this place exists.” So we will be at both of those places during the course of the year. We’ll be in Oxford, Lane Kiffin’s school, the head coach there, a lot of fun, big fan. You get to meet the coaches. And then we’ll be in Tuscaloosa as well. So both of those experiences, because LSU — and, by the way, LSU fans might be the most fun fans in the entire country. I mean, they are mad men and women when it comes to just their pregame party routine. Cajun life is like nothing else.

BUCK: I gotta go check this out. This sounds like… I can’t drink beer; so I’ll bring my own Zima. But I’ll show up, and I’ll check… For medical reasons, by the way — before people think I’m a communist — I can’t have gluten, which is in beer.

CLAY: You can the drink tequila, though.

BUCK: Oh, yeah!

CLAY: But I brought my friends downtown to LSU for a game, East Coast friends, like you, Buck, East Coast friends. They had never spent any time around college football. As we were walking into the game after tailgating for several hours, one of them turns to me, and he said, “I don’t understand how these LSU fans are still able to walk. They drink and the Cajun lifestyle. I’ve never seen anything like it.” It is a party the likes of which you have never experienced.

BUCK: I bet the food… I bet the tailgate food, Louisiana food is great.

CLAY: Incredible experience.

BUCK: Even snooty northeasterners, even people that live in Brooklyn and describe themselves as foodies are like, “Oh, but Louisiana food is really good.”

CLAY: Oh, it’s incredible. So, I’ll be on the road all fall.

BUCK: I’m looking forward to meeting people. (high-pitched voice) “Excuse me, everybody. My friend, Clay Travis, is, like, big deal here, and I would like a seat.”

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I’ll be running around. “Who are you?” “I don’t really know sports, but Clay does!” It will be fun. It will be fun. I’ll come check out. I’ll hang out.

CLAY: We’re gonna have a good collection of people I think at all these places. I’m excited to meet… It’s great. I’m excited to meet so many different listeners who I know will be on the road just ready… You know, Buck, for our listeners in particular people are just ready to get back to normalcy, and having a big, fun party atmosphere surrounding a college football game.

BUCK: It’s a celebration of life and freedom, Travis.

CLAY: It is really a celebration of life.

BUCK: That’s what it’s gonna be.

CLAY: It is.

BUCK: So, just under that banner, I have to come check out one of these games.

CLAY: Red states are ready to party, Buck.

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27 Aug 2021

  • BuckSexton.com: Officer Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Says ‘She Posed a Threat’
  • FOXNews: Biden presidency teetering amid calls to resign, potential investigations over US deaths in Afghanistan
  • New York Post: Trump, pols torch Biden over deadly terror attacks that killed 13 US troops
  • Daily Wire: Vice Media Says ‘So Many’ Marines Are ‘Neo-Nazis’ On Day 10 Killed. Meghan McCain: ‘Go F*** Yourselves’
  • UKDM: Nowhere to hide, Joe: President adopts fetal position as he crumbles under questioning and tries to blame Trump for Afghanistan catastrophe after 13 troops were killed along with 90 Afghans in ISIS bomb attacks
  • Gateway Pundit: Daily Mail: “Biden – at 78 – Suffered Two Brain Aneurysms and a Heart Condition which Causes Dizziness and Confusion”
  • NewsBusters: ‘Kill List’: Nets Spike Biden Admin Giving Taliban Names of Americans, Allies
  • Politico: U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate
  • Federalist: The Taliban Now Has $85 Billion Worth Of Taxpayer-Funded US Military Equipment
  • Breitbart: Retreating British Embassy Left Behind Afghan Staff’s Paperwork for Taliban to Read
  • HotAir: Revealed: U.S. Special Ops vets snuck into Kabul, secretly helped evacuate more than 600 Afghans

  • FOXNews: Democrats attack Supreme Court for blocking Biden eviction moratorium
  • Breitbart: Officer Byrd Who Shot Ashli Babbitt During Capitol Riot Breaks Silence: ‘She Was Posing a Threat’
  • Daily Caller: Capitol Police Officer Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Breaks Silence On National Television
  • PJ Media: Large CDC Study Doesn’t Support Mask Mandates in Schools
  • Legal Insurrection: China Promises to Retaliate Against Any Nation Blaming COVID19 on Wuhan Laboratory
  • Breitbart: Krispy Kreme Offers 2 Free Donuts to People Showing Their Vaccination Card
  • Federalist: The Gavin Newsom Recall Undermines The Democratic Party’s Plans To Californicate America
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    Buck Challenges Governor Noem on Vaccine, Transgender Bills

    26 Aug 2021

    CLAY: We promised you that we would continue to update you with all of the latest news surrounding the disaster of the Afghanistan evacuation, and we have some very bad news for you. The Wall Street Journal in the last couple of minutes reporting — and I’m reading directly from their article.

    We’re gonna be joined by Governor Kristi Noem here in a moment, but this is the opening paragraph of the Wall Street Journal story that just came down: “The U.S. envoy in Kabul told embassy staff there that four U.S. Marines were killed in the attack at the city’s airport and three wounded, a U.S. official with knowledge of the briefing said.”

    At least three U.S. troops were injured. But, again, opening line of this sentence from their story at the Wall Street Journal: “The U.S. envoy in Kabul told embassy staff there that four U.S. Marines were killed in the attack at the city’s airport and three wounded.” That is per the Wall Street Journal. We bring in now Kristi Noem, governor. And, Governor, I imagine you’re hearing that news as we are just now. What is your reaction?

    GOV. NOEM: It’s horrific. I can’t imagine what their families are feeling right now. And they’re watching their loved ones serve their country in a situation they never should have been in because of failed leadership by the United States president. So, you know, this is a situation that, unfortunately, we’re gonna have to continue day by day to get through, but we absolutely have to recognize that the responsibility for this lays on the administration and that when we get all the Americans safely to a position where they can be protected, that we need to dig into how this ever happened and hold people accountable.

    CLAY: I want to say, too, for everybody out there listening, we’re trying to bring you as much news as it happens as we can. I know that a lot of you have friends, family, loved ones that are in the military. Many of you listening to us right now may have friends, family, and loved ones who are among those who are in Afghanistan right now, and we know how difficult hearing news like this can be for you.

    But we’re trying to bring you the latest updates as we get it, and that news just came down. We’re talking to Governor Kristi Noem. Governor, it’s difficult to even understand how much of a disaster this is for our country to have failed — the Joe Biden administration to have failed — on this level. I know we’re still dealing with and grappling with the tragedies that are unfurling in real time.

    But sooner or later, we will go back, and we will review the decisions that were made here. If we are in the process of having had Donald Trump impeached over a phone call, when you watch what’s going on in Afghanistan right now, there have to be significant consequences for the Biden administration with one of the biggest failures in decades in American history, maybe the biggest in most of the people who are listening right now’s lives. What needs to be happen here?

    GOV. NOEM: Well, let me be clear, Clay, everything has to be on the table. Because what I’ve been struggling with is two different things in this situation. Number one, I served on the Armed Services Committee in the House of Representatives for years. And there’s protocols to withdrawing from this type of a situation. The Department of Defense, the Pentagon, there are boxes you check.

    There is normal, standard operating procedures with how you withdraw troops from a war zone and from an area that’s dangerous like this. And President Trump laid out the blueprint perfectly when he withdrew our troops from Iraq. He defeated ISIS first, and we were able to withdraw from a position of strength.

    So absolutely. I’m trying to figure out what was a decision that was made by this administration and what was just inept and idiot decisions that were made by leaders that weren’t protecting our national security interests every single day. And that’s really what we’re gonna have to get to the bottom of, and, boy, we are absolutely gonna hold those accountable who made those decisions or who overlooked the importance of keeping our American troops and our American citizens safe.

    BUCK: Governor Noem, it’s Buck. I appreciate your perspective on issues in Afghanistan, and we will continue to update everybody over the course of the show about what is happening on the ground there and what the security situation is as seems to be rapidly deteriorating. I also wanted to get your view on the situation here at home. I would argue that we are in a period where freedom — individual freedom — is under greater assault than at any time in my lifetime.

    Because of covid, because of the vaccine mandates, the mask requirements, all these different regulations that are going into effect. Now there are private companies. Now the federal government’s getting involved. You had before you the opportunity — and if you want to add some context to exactly what the bill would have done, by all means; you’re the one who’s actually the governor in South Dakota.

    But you had an opportunity to sign something that your Republican-dominated legislature would have put forward to protect individuals on the basis of conscience from being forced by private businesses in your state to get vaccinated. Why did you oppose them on this? Why are you unwilling to go forward with that?

    GOV. NOEM: Well, that is not true. Number one, in the state of South Dakota the people have been more free than anywhere else in this country during this pandemic. We never once closed a single business, never once ordered a shelter-in-place, never mandated anything such as masks or requirements at all.

    BUCK: Okay, that’s analysis. What’s not true?

    GOV. NOEM: What is not true is the fact that this bill was proposed to me and brought to me by my legislature. I have two legislators who drafted a bill that they can call themselves into session if they have the support of their colleagues to bring it to me and place it on my desk.

    BUCK: Will you sign it?

    GOV. NOEM: Their bill is unlike anything that is proposed in this country. And the reason that I am not in favor of their bill is because I’m a conservative. I’m a conservative that respects the Constitution, and I believe that leaders today are overstepping their authority. We lived through 18 months of hell and had leaders who overstepped their authority —

    BUCK: So, in what constitutional analysis do you, under your state health authority, not have the right to do this?

    GOV. NOEM: — because these guys in this bill are trying to make a government that’s more powerful and that is bigger, that will step in between the relationship between people and their employers and will make decisions for them. And when I’m not governor anymore, how do I know the next governor won’t use that exact same precedent to use it to limit the freedom of the people?

    (crosstalk)

    BUCK: But you are the governor now, Governor Noem, and right now we’re at that point where there are mandates going. People are having to get shots right now. People are facing losing their jobs right now.

    GOV. NOEM: Oh, my —

    BUCK: Why not be a person who is taking a stand in favor of individual freedom, which I believe is actually the primary purpose of the Constitution?

    GOV. NOEM: (chuckles)

    BUCK: Why not do that?

    GOV. NOEM: And there is nobody in this country that would — would say that I… No other governor took more heat over defending liberty and freedom than I did this last year. Now, listen, if you’re saying that, Buck —

    BUCK: I think Governor Ron DeSantis might disagree, but keep going.

    GOV. NOEM: Buck, you invited me on your show. Let me talk.

    BUCK: Go ahead.

    GOV. NOEM: If you think… If you think that I have the authority to step in between this relationship, then you think Joe Biden should be able to mandate vaccines to everybody in this country as well, and I’ve already been very —

    BUCK: That’s not true.

    GOV. NOEM: Yes, it is.

    BUCK: You have more power at the state level. You have plenary power.

    GOV. NOEM: No.

    BUCK: He has… I just disagree with your constitutional analysis.

    GOV. NOEM: I completely disagree with you. Government must be constrained by the Constitution. It is not conservative to grow government and to tell and dictate to businesses. If we did that, Buck, then you’re saying it’s okay for liberals to tell cake bakers that they have to bake cakes for gay marriages, that liberals in government have the ability to tell nuns and Hobby Lobby that they have to provide contraception to their employees.

    Now, conservatives like myself, they fight that government overreach tooth and nail. We tell employers that they have a relationship with their employees — and South Dakota is a right-to-work state. This bill that these legislators have discussed is pro-labor; it’s pro union. There’s no other bill in this country that is written like this bill we have in South Dakota. And I will get up every single day and continue to fight for me people.

    BUCK: So, out of curiosity, because this is the second time —

    GOV. NOEM: I have said that I will not be mandating to my state employees.

    BUCK: No, I — Governor?

    GOV. NOEM: I’ve banned vaccine passports in the state of South Dakota.

    BUCK: No, this is not — I understand. I’m not asking you about the rest of what you’ve done in the process of covid. I’m asking you about what you’ve done right now. Conservatives were —

    GOV. NOEM: What would make you think, Buck —

    BUCK: Conservatives were —

    GOV. NOEM: — that of all the decisions I’ve made in this country…?

    BUCK: Madam?

    GOV. NOEM: — what would make you think of everything I’ve done…?

    BUCK: I would like to ask you another question.

    GOV. NOEM: Sure.

    BUCK: I would like to ask you another question. It’s actually my show. So, tell me this. When you initially opposed the transgender bill from your legislature, you said it was because — and, by the way, I don’t work for the South Dakota legislature, so I don’t know. There’s something… There was some revision, some changes you want to have happen. Did you ever actually get those revisions and sign a bill to protect women from having to compete against men in sports in your state?

    GOV. NOEM: Absolutely. I’ve got an executive order in place right now that protect girls sports in K-12 and college athletics. I already have drafted bills that I’ll be bringing when we go into session that will be signed into law. That was not the question with those bills that were brought to South Dakota. Those bills would have immediately, because they were so flawed, would have ended up in court, and I wouldn’t have been able to enforce anything in South Dakota.

    BUCK: So, your executive order will not end up in court?

    GOV. NOEM: It will not. It absolutely will not, and neither will the bills we’ll be bringing because they can be drafted correctly with withstand challenges in court.

    (crosstalk)

    BUCK: So, I’m glad to hear there was follow-up on that and just to be clear you, under no circumstances, sign anything and wherever it may be in the process that would prevent private businesses…? I mean, I just… So, it’s because you think that Big Government…? Because the other side is going to do this. You’re talking about unilateral disarmament and saying that Joe Biden is gonna push this at the federal level.

    GOV. NOEM: Then, Buck, we’re no better than they are.

    BUCK: He’s going to do this no matter what you do. Why not use your power as the governor of a very red state to protect individual rights from vaccine mandates by businesses? You can do it under your state authority.

    GOV. NOEM: You ask every single family that’s living in a Democrat-run state right now what happened when the government overstepped their authority and took away their rights and freedoms. I do not have the authority to dictate what you’re asking me to do. I will not step out of my role as government, and I will not — governor, and I will not — go forward and do something that I don’t have the authority under the Constitution to do.

    I will give people every tool that they possibly can have to fight, and I will fight for them, and I will make sure that I’m going after and suing the Biden administration for these vaccine mandates that I will go after and continue to defend their freedoms and make sure that I’m not sure requiring my state employees to get vaccinated. I have already banned vaccine passports here.

    And that is exactly the respect that I have for this country. When you have a leader, Buck, llike you’re asking me to do. When you have a leader overstep their authority, especially in a time of crisis, that’s when we lose this country, and what you’re asking me to do is no better than what these liberals have done the last 18 months in this country when they don’t (crosstalk) people.

    BUCK: I think you’re ducking, and I think you’re refusing to take a stand once again.

    GOV. NOEM: Ohhh! You’re kidding.

    BUCK: That’s what I think.

    GOV. NOEM: That’s not true.

    BUCK: So we are free to disagree on this issue, but you have a state that would back you on this. You have the votes in the originally if you’re willing to go forward with it, and someone has to be in the vanguard here for freedom.

    GOV. NOEM: Then they can… Buck, if they have support… Buck, if they —

    BUCK: Someone has to actually say enough is enough.

    GOV. NOEM: For that written bill that those two legislators have, they absolutely can bring that bill, call themselves into session, and bring it to me and I’ll evaluate it.

    BUCK: So will you sign it? I mean, you said —

    GOV. NOEM: But what they are doing —

    BUCK: By the way, you said you would sign the trans bill and then backed off of it. We know that happened. Would you sign this bill or not?

    GOV. NOEM: That is not true, Buck, and I don’t know where…

    BUCK: All right. Okay. Fair enough.

    GOV. NOEM: You haven’t been to South Dakota — have you? — during our legislative session and heard these debates?

    CLAY: Governor, let me ask you this. We gotta hit a break here in a sec. What is your view on masks on school children? We’ve got all sorts of craziness going on as it pertains to kids being required to wear masks. In South Dakota, what’s your perspective on that?

    GOV. NOEM: Our kids are not going to be wearing masks in schools. Our K-12 system, I think, overwhelmingly everyone agrees that it’s best for kids to go back and be in the classroom and to do that in an environment where they can learn and be successful.

    BUCK: All right, Governor Noem. We do appreciate you coming on the show and talking to us about all these issues —

    GOV. NOEM: Absolutely!

    BUCK: — and we certainly are all aligned on getting all Americans out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. We look forward to talking to you again soon.

    GOV. NOEM: Sounds great. Thanks, Buck and Clay. Have a great day.

    BUCK: Thank you so much.

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    BUCK: First, I would say thank you to Governor Kristi Noem for coming on and for being willing to hear an opposing point of view. The Noem camp, the comms folks from Noem’s team pretty much… I mean, they didn’t demand, but they very strenuously wanted the opportunity to come on because there’s been a lot of pushback publicly — including from people like me — about what seemed like an unwillingness to go forward with this bill, and we can get into the specifics of it.

    But in the aftermath of the transgender bill issue in South Dakota, then there was more criticism over this. The Noem camp wanted to come on, and they wanted to discuss this, and I didn’t want to walk away from it. I have a lot of respect for what Governor Noem has done in the state of South Dakota about covid specifically, and have praised her multiple times on my show.

    And I think, Clay, one thing that has to be remembered here is, we have to sometimes hold — in our own minds and whatever that that may — people in positions of power who are on our team. We want them to do the best for their people, and I disagree with the governor’s analysis that she doesn’t have the power. I think I made that very clear. I’m sorry for anybody if there was any crosstalk and also if there was any inability to hear some part of that.

    But I think it’s important to know that right now we’re being overrun. Mandates are gonna hit all over the country. And if no one is going to stop, they’re just gonna get you with private sector mandates, they’re gonna get with you federal mandates. Everyone’s gonna be getting the shot soon unless someone comes up with a way to stop it. That’s what we’re heading for, Clay, and that’s very frustrating.

    And I think also part of it is I’m angry about what’s happened here in New York City. And I would love to see Governor Noem be the beachhead of sanity and freedom from these mandates, and so if that came across in an impassioned way… But the Noem camp knows that I have a lot of respect for what’s going on there, and just want to say all that. And also respect that she wanted to come on and actually talk about it.

    CLAY: Look, people disagree, and I’ve been straightforward and transparent about this for a long time: People disagreeing doesn’t mean that you disagree about everything under the sun. But you and the governor have a disagreement. The governor came on and wanted to talk about that disagreement. I give her credit and her staff for reaching out and wanting to come on, and look —

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: — we’re not gonna run from people who disagree with us.

    BUCK: If I call someone out in public and they want to come on the show, I’m gonna have them on the show and we’re gonna actually have the discussion on air.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: That’s the way it’s gonna go.

    CLAY: I think that’s the perspective of the show as well. We believe the First Amendment should be alive and well so you and the governor —

    BUCK: Yeah, yeah. From our team. Not like CNN, obviously. (laughing)

    CLAY: No.

    BUCK: Crazy libs.

    CLAY: You and the governor have a disagreement, and so you could pretend that you don’t have that disagreement, or her team can say, “Hey, can we come on and talk about this and you guys can go the back-and-forth arguing the two perspectives?” I think that’s what healthy debate should be.

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    EIB Audience Reacts to the Noem Confrontation

    26 Aug 2021

    BUCK: Linda in Chicago, Illinois, welcome.

    CALLER: Hi. Thank you. I just wanted to really call and compliment you on your interview with Kristi Noem and how well you did it, because the things that you said to her were what I would have said and what I would have asked her. And I had wanted to hear from her what she had to say in response about the women’s sports thing and other things. I really want to thank you for pushing back a bit with her.

    It made me a little… I’m all about not what people say but what they actually do, ’cause talk is cheap. You can say anything. People, politicians say things all the time that I agree with, but then if they don’t actually do it… I’ve gone away from wondering about what people have said, but I thought you did a really fine job. And she did give me some answers that I appreciated knowing her stance. It made me feel a little less… Because I was very pro-Kristi Noem, and then when she did what she did with the —

    BUCK: The transgender bill. I mean, anybody who’s wondering, you can go and watch the Tucker interview with her, the Tucker Carlson interview with her months ago on that one. I would just say, watch that interview and come to your own conclusions about what you think and then for a lot of people on the right, there has been in the last couple of days some pretty substantial pushback, and the Noem camp is going after people publicly on social media — very aggressively — in response too.

    So look, sometimes… We’ve all been at the Thanksgiving dinner table, and Clay’s a guy that knows sports. If I sit down at the Travis table and I say the Tennessee Titans are gonna go 0-14 or something this year, it’s gonna get a little contentious. Doesn’t mean that you’re not sitting at the same table and you’re all part of the same family. But I think if we’re gonna get the right answers, I think we need to push sometimes, and I think that there is urgency right now.

    They’re lining up all the mandates, all the state push all across the country, and I think a lot of us want to see something that will prevent a continuous regime of vax passports, needles and arms — and this is obviously very personal to me, because of what I’ve been going through here in New York City. So Linda, that was the intent. And if you felt the interview was illuminating, then I really appreciate that and we try.

    And, like I said, it’s within the family, folks. We can’t always agree on all the things all the time on the right, you know? A lot of people that became big Trump supporters in the early days, Clay, in conservative media, I remember they were very opposed to President Donald Trump. But then people forgave them because they figured out what was really going on and what the Trump movement was all about.

    CLAY: No doubt.

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    BUCK: We’ve got Victor in Orange County, California, on the line. Victor, what’s up?

    CALLER: Yeah, guys. Thanks for having (garbled) couple of (garbled).

    BUCK: Wait. I think we lost Victor. Can we hear him?

    CALLER: Yeah. Can you guys hear me?

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CALLER: (garbled) Hello?

    BUCK: Yeah, man.

    CLAY: Yeah, you called us.

    CALLER: Are you here?

    BUCK: Yes.

    CALLER: Okay. So the governor of South Dakota. I do think she has a point. If you mandate this, if she does this, then what’s gonna stop the next administration from doing the same thing?

    BUCK: Well, okay, I mean —

    CLAY: I think there’s a difference between —

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: Let me just like say this.

    CALLER: (garbled) in California.

    CLAY: Yeah, I understand but so let me just explain. There’s a difference between a mandate that requires something, right? Like I am mandating you do X, and a mandate that guarantees your freedom from something which doesn’t require you to do anything. And I think that’s a significant difference, right? And you can use the mask example to kind of think through it.

    What people are arguing for — Buck and I, other people; I’m a parent — is the right to choose whether or not your kid wears a mask. That is the freedom to make a choice. That is not a not-wearing mask mandate. That’s the freedom as a parent to make a choice. A mandate, which is what’s happening in many blue states, is, “We are demanding that you do this,” and so, what I think — and, Buck, you can explain exactly that. But I think there’s a difference between a mandate requiring an action and a mandate that makes clear that you aren’t required to do something. Those are two fundamentally different mandates.

    BUCK: Yeah, and we don’t leave in a false, libertarian utopia where businesses… I mean, just take out Dakota, for example. There are licensing authorities in that state for funeral homes, for chiropractors. There’s a lot of regulations that you have to go through. There’s a minimum wage in the state of South Dakota. There’s a lot of things that businesses are told they can and can’t do, sometimes having to do with safety regulations, other times having to do with economic regulations.

    And I’m just gonna say on this point that, “Oh, the Biden administration will do it so we shouldn’t do it,” you’ll notice something here. The mandates all go in one way. The left uses its power to force people to do things — in this case, to force needles in your arms — and we have to find out a way to get that to stop. We have to find a way to get it to no longer be the case. The federal government has a lot of coercive power, especially, for example, with hospital systems, but just in general.

    And they’re saying they want private companies to do this. States under their health authority and also under anti-discrimination law have a lot of leeway. But just even under their health department leeway, they could determine that forcing people to take a vaccine that we haven’t even had… Now, what, we’re doing a third booster shot? We don’t know what that’s going to mean.

    We haven’t done the real trials for this, that that’s not safe, and they won’t allow a private business to make people do it, the same way that you can’t as a private business decide you’re not going to serve certain people because of immutable characteristics. There’s a lot of case law to support doing something to protect freedom. Or, guys, we can all just sit around and hope that the government doesn’t just come for us in one way or another, which is why we are right. Now that’s my feeling on it. I see it in New York. They’re making everyone get the shot. We don’t have power here.

    CLAY: Lots of governors have made a decision that they’re not going to allow vaccine mandates. They have done that in Florida. They have done that in Texas. They have done that in Tennessee. They have done that, I believe, in Georgia, Oklahoma. You can run through a long list — Arkansas, I believe, as well.

    A lot of red states have made that move, and so I think it’s an interesting question to debate on a philosophical level. And again, the other thing to factor in here is every state legislature is different, right? There are lots of unique specificities in each, individual state. But that is… Look, again, she wanted to come on the show. She requested an opportunity to come on the show.

    BUCK: Yeah, just to be very clear to everybody, it was their ask. (chuckles)

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: They wanted to come on, and if you see some of the exchanges between the governor and some other conservative pundits in the last 24 hours or so you’ll see, this — people feel very strongly about this. It’s gotten pretty contentious, because it feels like if we’re gonna surrender — or how about this? How about going on offense in favor of freedom instead of playing the “Oh, but ,small government” game?

    That’s the question that we face now. We’ve been trying to say let’s play the small government game for a while. We are now defending on a 1-yard line. They’re about to start forcing needles into your kids’ arms, everybody, Clay and I know it. That’s happening. So we can either try to rally against this in a meaningful way or you’re gonna end up like everybody in New York: Getting the shot one way or the other.

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    Biden Hid as U.S. Troops Were Slaughtered in Kabul

    26 Aug 2021

    CLAY: This is cowardly, but probably not surprising: The State Department says they will not have a press briefing today. So we’re talking about the silence, the void, the absence of responsibility that we are seeing from the administration in control right now. The State Department just said, “We’re not talking at all to the American people.” Now, maybe the White House is going to have a press briefing.

    Really what needs to happen, Buck — and I think you probably agree with me on this — is Joe Biden needs to go come out, directly address the American people, apologize for the failures of the Afghan evacuation, and he needs to personally call all of these Marine families certainly, at an absolute minimum. And we know they have a ton of people out there listening to us right now who have family, may have family serving in Afghanistan.

    You’ve heard the news. Four Marines killed, three wounded in this explosion, worst fears confirmed. Remember, we hadn’t had any casualties in Afghanistan in 18 months, I think, if I’m correct about this, leading up to the evacuation. It had been fairly safe on the ground, and now everything has gone to complete hell, frankly, if you look at what’s going on right there. And we’re concerned that it may get worse from here. At least that’s what the data might suggest is where we are headed.

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    CLAY: This is from Kyle Becker. He just put out this tweet a few minutes ago. “Breaking: Pentagon-connected source tells me as many as 13 U.S. service members are now believed killed, 20 troops wounded, 10 in critical condition.” That is the latest report that is out there right now. I will remind you, Buck Sexton, nothing from the White House, nothing from Joe Biden.

    He has failed the American public. Just yesterday — and this is amazing. I want to read this headline that is out for you to react to, too, Buck. By the way, more people dying, American servicemen today in Afghanistan than in 2019 and 2020 combined, with our friend Alex Berenson who just tweeted that. But the overall situation just yesterday, there was a demand that…

    They were asking for props, the Biden administration was, for all the evacuations they have done. Jen Psaki lying, bald-faced, every single day to the American people. And Joe Biden’s totally absent. I don’t know where it goes from here, Buck. But there are gonna be massive demands for Joe Biden to resign. I can’t imagine that he’s not gonna face impeachment inquiries in some level. I mean, this is gonna be ugly.

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    BUCK: We’ve got reports of 13 Marines killed in Kabul from this double what appears to be suicide bombing. Obviously, there’s the tragedy that has already happened, the possibility of more attacks like this, a Biden administration that seems to just be spiraling into the depths of God knows where, and we have H. R. McMaster, who is formerly senior military officer, former national security adviser as well under Trump. Here he is saying that he… This is his assessment.

    MCMASTER: So this is a ridiculous idea that this is really ISISK and gosh, the Taliban, must be really disappointed. That’s crazy, I think, Andrea. I’m sure that we will uncover evidence that this has happened with the full knowledge of Haqqanis and certainly elements of the Taliban at the most senior leadership.

    BUCK: Clay, this is what I was saying before — it’s very tough to separate out — you have the Haqqani Network, long-standing jihadist terrorist group designated by U.S. government and terrorist group the program that has very close ties to Al-Qaeda, very close — very high-level — ties to the Taliban, almost indistinguishable in some ways from those organizations at the top leadership level.

    That’s how close they are. So he’s saying that it’s former national security adviser it might have just been a faction of the Taliban or maybe the Haqqanis knew of this. He said the idea it was like just this ISISK group going against them… I mean, if the Taliban already is having splinter factions or some part of it that’s involved in this, this could get a lot worse very fast.

    CLAY: I just… It’s an awful day. Let’s start here. An absolutely awful day for all Americans, certainly the worst possible day for anyone who has family that is serving in Afghanistan as they have to do to follow this story of the explosions which went off this morning — in the United States, our time this morning — outside of the Kabul airport. And as the numbers continue to grow.

    The ticker now on Fox News says at least 12 U.S. service members killed. We had a report that we read that there are 13, 10 in critical condition. I don’t know how Joe Biden is looking at himself in the mirror right now, and I’m angry and I think probably a lot of you out there are angry, because this administration wanted us to praise them for how well they had been evacuating people from Afghanistan.

    That was their message yesterday. They wanted their props for how many people they had evacuated. I saw Dan Crenshaw, I believe, make the analogy, saying, “This is like starting the largest forest fire ever and wanting criticized for helping to put it out.” Buck, you made the analogy, it’s like bragging about the evacuation from the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. This is an unmitigated disaster for Joe Biden.

    This is Benghazi on steroids. This is Saigon in 1975 on steroids. And if you are an American and you are not furiously angry over the management of this situation, I, frankly, question whether you are paying an iota of attention to this at all. And if Democrats impeach Donald Trump because of a phone call with the Ukrainian president, what in the world should be the consequences for the Joe Biden administration follow this abject failure, that it’s still ongoing, Buck, and could get far worse before it’s gonna get any better?

    BUCK: Right, and there’s what should happen, and then, Clay, you and I know on the political side of this — and it almost feels premature to even look at the politics of it right now, considering that we still have… I mean, to Lara Logan’s point, she says there is no timeline. I hope she’s correct. I know what she was saying, which is that the timeline should be until every American’s out, until every American is on U.S. soil or at least in a safe third country. I think the Biden administration — especially with what’s going on here, the deterioration in the security — is likely to keep to the timeline. I don’t see how they’re going to get around this.

    CLAY: They might even try to and accelerate it, Buck, try to get our soldiers out even faster.

    BUCK: And to the point about consequences and what will happen now and what comes next, I would just say, “Look…” (chuckles) “We don’t have a margin in the House. We certainly don’t have two-thirds in the Senate. There’s not gonna be impeachment and removal under this current Congress. We know that.” But what happens when things get so bad that it feels like Joe Biden should step down just for sheer reasons of incompetence? What is the mechanism there — and there really isn’t one other than the people around him having to impress upon him that it’s time for someone else to take the reins.

    CLAY: And the thing of that is, Buck, Kamala’s actually less popular thank Biden!

    BUCK: This is what I was gonna say, Clay, which is that Kamala’s going to a better job than Joe Biden with this?

    CLAY: Right.

    BUCK: You’d have to say, “Based on what would we think this?” and I think people are now looking for this. Does anyone feel better when they see Joe Biden going on TV just with these very scripted statements?

    CLAY: He can barely walk, Buck.

    BUCK: Does anyone feel like there’s any fear that the toolbox is going to feel like there could be consequences for crossing? I don’t think so.

    CLAY: Donald Trump would have rained down holy hell on whoever is responsible for this attack — and significantly, they would have known that Donald Trump was going to rain down holy hell on whoever did this attack. I think George W. Bush would have. I don’t think there’s any doubt. I think you can criticize Barack Obama, but I think he was competent enough to look at the evidence and make, against Joe Biden’s advice, the choice to kill Osama Bin Laden!

    Remember, Joe Biden advised Barack Obama not to kill bin Laden. That was when he actually had a functional brain. Every time Joe Biden has make a decision throughout American history, just about, he makes the wrong one. And that was when his brain worked. This is an embarrassment to our country, it’s a tragedy — and this man, Joe Biden, is still not saying a word.

    They’re not gonna have a State Department briefing today. There’s a void of leadership. There’s an absence of speech. I’m outraged, and I know most of you out there are too. And I think even, Buck, a lot of independents and a lot of Democrats that still have functional brains are outraged over this absence of leadership, this void, this failure as well. I really believe it.

    BUCK: I think it’s worse than anybody could have anticipated. Even assuming what we knew about Biden beforehand was true, this field like even more so. This feels like we’re in a situation now where it was, Clay, a chaotic and messy evacuation process, and now it’s lethal and destabilized and could get a whole lot worse in the next few days. And looking around at the options here, when you’ve lost…

    I’m seeing on Fox they’re saying at least 12 U.S. service members killed. We’ve also seen 13. Terribly, this always happens in these instances where there’s an initial report of a terrorist attack especially talking about suicide bombing, something like that. The casualty numbers just tend to go up as the hours pass by. Have we heard anything from the Biden administration about what the plan is here or what the next move is?

    CLAY: No! That’s what I’m saying. Zero! It’s an embarrassment. It’s a complete failure of American leadership. Lara Logan was on our show and was more eloquent addressing this situation than anybody in the Biden White House has been for two freaking weeks, and it’s hard for me not to curse right now because of the incompetence and how furious I am about that incompetence and what is actually ending up happening here.

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    BUCK: We got Brad in Augusta, Georgia. Brad, tell us what you’re doing to try to help.

    CALLER: Thanks for taking my call. I want to first say thanks for all you’re doing. Thanks to Senator Tom Cotton. My condolences for the Marines that were killed. I spent a lot of years in the U.S. military. Buck, we have not a similar background, but we both worked in intelligence. And as you know when you go overseas and you develop assets, you have networks of friendships that last forever.

    So we’ve been back-channeling right now. There was a fellow on the ground there that was helping do the manifest. And what we’ve been doing is basically since the State Department has been stonewalling us… First off, I’m angry. I’m really angry. Where is my president? I want to know where my president is. Where is the commander-in-chief?

    Where are all these generals that will sign letters about phone calls about Donald Trump but won’t say when American soldiers are being killed, American Marines and sailors are being killed. Where are they? So we had to do it ourselves. So we’ve activated what we call our spook network, and what we’ve been doing is we’ve been basically fat fingering in SIVs that have been sitting and waiting and couldn’t get out through State Department paperwork, and just putting them on the manifest directly.

    And I don’t know if anybody really cares one way or another, but, you know, this is just a colossal failure, and what we don’t understand is, “Why is it up to us?” Why is it up to guys like me and Glenn Beck and people like that, who’s doing a lot more than we’re doing? But so far, we’ve gotten somewhere near 800 people out that way. We basically are sneaking ’em onto the manifest.

    CLAY: Well, thank you for that. Thank you for that work. It’s a shame. Thank you for the call. It’s a shame that this is how much of a leadership failure we have. I appreciate everybody who is pitching in and doing everything that they can to get our people and our allies out of Afghanistan. But that’s what a void and absence of leadership creates. It’s this chaotic situation where everybody’s trying to do their best but doesn’t trust the commander-in-chief to be able to make a rational decision in real time.

    Buck, this is a long time to not have heard a word from Joe Biden or anybody in the White House. We’ve been doing a three-hour show, we’ve been updating people all throughout the day on the tragedy circumstances that have befallen so many of our servicemen in Afghanistan. And the president of the United States, the leader of the free world, is totally an empty suit. He’s absent.

    BUCK: Clay, is there also the possibility that I think is present that they know that right now putting Joe Biden out there with the talking points is not gonna make people feel better? On the one hand ,we want to see the president of the United States because he’s the president. But I think there’s also concern that this is the commander-in-chief we have now in this moment? (chuckle) It’s just… The whole thing is hard to believe, honestly. It’s hard to believe that this is where we are, the Biden-Kamala team are running this situation right now or in charge of this, and it’s just deteriorating. It’s getting worse every day.

    CLAY: I don’t even know, Buck. I will say this. I think we’ve been unkind to Jimmy Carter in calling Joe Biden Jimmy Carter 2.0. I would love for Joe Biden to be Jimmy Carter 2.0 right now. I think he’s like James Buchanan 2.0 right now. For the history nerds out there, that’s the president before Abraham Lincoln as the Civil War was unfolding.

    The guy did nothing to try to hold the country together. That’s what I think Joe Biden is. He’s not Jimmy Carter 2.0. He’s James Buchanan 2.0. I can’t think… Can you, Buck? I mean, we’re 40 years old, two generations-ish. I can’t think of a more impotent, weak, worthless American president that we have had in my life. I mean, this is shameful.

    BUCK: Yeah, and unfortunately… I mean, we’re sitting here, Clay, we’re talking about it, and I think there is this urge to feel like, well, at least, you know, it’s gotta… (sigh) Now they’re gonna be on it. They’re gonna focus, they’re gonna…

    CLAY: Rain down holy hell? No.

    BUCK: They can turn this around in the next few days. I don’t know how they really make the situation… Yes, they’re gonna continue the evacuations, but the security situation on the ground? Our hands are largely tied. They gave up Bagram air base. They made all these horrible errors in the process.

    CLAY: We’re relying on terrorists to protect our troops, and we just saw what that got you — and what is so frustrating about this, Buck, is this is what we said for two weeks was gonna happen!

    BUCK: John in Columbia, South Carolina. John, how you doing?

    CALLER: Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate everything you guys are doing. I’m gonna try to take anger out of the situation here but first off and foremost, all my prayers go with the family and friends of those Marines.

    CLAY: For sure.

    CALLER: So by way of you background, I was a counterintelligence, counterthreat Air Force officer in eastern Afghanistan from 2008 to 2009. And my (unintelligible) interpreter — and for those listening at home, that means an interpreter from the United States, an Afghan, who actually volunteered to go back home to interpret for us. He gave me a call last week and told me that he had family members.

    Actually, his fiancee and her two brothers were stuck outside of Kabul airport. So we started working and kind of like the last caller said (chuckles), we worked our spook network as well. I called all my senators and congressmen who were very responsive and they kept telling me, “It’s the State Department, the State Department, the State Department issue.”

    We lost contact with them on Friday, thought they were captured, killed. We didn’t know what. Come to find out we got contact with them this morning, and they were saying that they’re just trying to get to the airport. They can’t get in. These folks are on SIV visas, and they couldn’t get in because the Afghan commandos — and there are no Marines at the gates. The Afghan commandos at the gates at the airport are telling them, “Until the Americans call us, we can’t let you in.” So then later after that I was contacted by a State Department liaison, and I won’t give his name —

    BUCK: John, we’ve only got about 30 seconds anybody; so please just give us what you can.

    CALLER: Yeah, he was a Marine. He said, “I’m doing my best. I can’t do anything else. I’m trying my best.” I called him back later in the day and he was apoplectic. He was almost in tears saying, “There’s nothing else we can do. Everyone’s pulling out.”

    BUCK: John (sigh), it’s a really tough situation. Appreciate you sharing that perspective.

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    Biden Presidency’s Epitaph Could Be Written in Next 72 Hours

    26 Aug 2021

    SEN. TOM COTTON: His White House seems to be treating this like it’s just a bad news story after a gaffe on the campaign trail and they can grit it out and turn the page and headlines will change in a few days. And the headlines they want back in the news is what Nancy Pelosi was talking about this week, their reckless $3.5 trillion taxing-and-spending bill.

    But when our troops are gone Tuesday, if we stick to that deadline, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of not only American citizens but green card holders — and who only knows how many Afghans who risked their life to fight alongside us who have been approved by our government, vetted for security reasons to get a visa and come here — it’s not gonna be a bad news story that you can just walk away from. It’s gonna be an ongoing catastrophe.

    BUCK: Perhaps the biggest hostage crisis the United States government has ever faced, depending on the next few days goes. Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck, and there you had Senator Cotton describing that the Biden administration, which a couple of days ago — and Clay and I have been discussing this off air in you shouldn’t say true astonishment, because we know they’ll say anything.

    But it is so galling, the gaslighting that is going on here where a day or two ago we’re hearing from the Biden White House, “Oh, it’s the biggest airlift in history,” as though that’s some kind of a success to be proud of. It’s a bit like saying after the Titanic hits the iceberg, “Well, we got to the lifeboats so fast; so you can’t be mad at us for steering into that big piece of ice!”

    Clay, the entire Biden presidency… I think anyone who’s being honest right now. For all of the folks out there, just to be clear, we want every American out, single most important thing, the single focus of our efforts to talk to people on the ground, get the word out. I’m speaking to different organizations who specialize in just that, who are right now — and, you know, they want to talk a little bit about what they’re doing.

    But they also don’t want to give away any operational security components ’cause that’s what we’re coming down to now. “Can you sneak around the Taliban checkpoints? Can you avoid the deployment now of suicide bombers? Can you get through the U.S. bureaucracy and get on a plane?” Clay, any Democrat who’s being honest has to look at this and say, the Biden presidency could very well be written in a way that is unchangeable. The epitaph, in a sense, of the Biden presidency could happen in the next 72 hours.

    CLAY: Not only that — and I think that’s well said — what about the sheer absence of the Biden administration as all of this is playing out? I know a lot of people were upset that Donald Trump was arguably too reachable. And, by the way, we should mention that the president, Trump, is going to be on Tuesday of next week with us. We have him scheduled on the day when Afghanistan, Joe Biden is trying to pull everybody out.

    BUCK: Technically the former president, but yes.

    CLAY: I’m always gonna call him the president (laughing), ’cause I think he’s gonna run again, I think he’s gonna be president again.

    BUCK: I know he is a president, technically former.

    CLAY: I’m gonna stick with “President Trump.” He’s gonna join us on Tuesday. And you could criticize and certainly I don’t know there’s ever been a president more criticized than Trump was. But imagine that this situation was going on while he was president. He would have… I know people got mad about it, but he would have been tweeting like crazy. And people can say, “Well, the tweeting was, you know, outlandish and at times it was frustrating.”

    But also it was useful because it helped to put people on notice that he would rain down holy hell on them. And certainly, he did that, if you look at what happens to Soleimani in Iran. Do you get the sense, Buck, that anybody in Afghanistan is in any way worried about the Biden administration or what they may do? The clear answer is, they aren’t — and that absence of communication.

    Joe Biden can’t communicate. He can barely talk. They’re having to write whatever he’s gonna read off the teleprompter right now. Jen Psaki is lying like crazy every time she talks to the American people. And yet they’re still not communicating at all. There’s an absence, a void that is being filled by terrorists. And I don’t know that Biden has any ability to punch back. To your point, Buck, in 72 hours, his presidency’s gonna be defined. My concern is his presidency’s already defined, and it’s the worst presidency that any of us living right now have ever seen.

    BUCK: It’s all going to depend on whether continuous violence breaks out at the airport and the scene of carnage from earlier today is replicated, which very well could happen. God forbid. But it could happen based on the security considerations on the ground. And then what is the circumstance of Americans that have been left to this point to their own devices to find their way to Kabul International Airport? Are there Americans left behind on this battlefield, American civilians left behind on this Afghanistan battlefield?

    The Biden administration’s not gonna be able to walk away from that without paying a heavy political price, and also just a price in honor from this country. I mean, we don’t leave our people behind, and I worry that with Blinken and Psaki and Milley and some of the people we’re hearing from on this one, the Taliban’s not worried. That much, I’m quite confident in, unfortunately.

    CLAY: Yeah, and Sean Parnell just told us a 100% chance he thinks we’ll be leaving people behind.

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    Lara Logan’s Plea to America: Rise Up Before It’s Too Late

    26 Aug 2021

    BUCK: For some additional context on what’s happening on the ground, war correspondent and Fox Nation host Lara Logan. Lara, thank you for being with us.

    LOGAN: (hoarse voice) Thank you for having me — and I apologize for my voice. I’ve been basically up day and night working with teams and teams of Americans who are trying to rescue Afghans and help them get to safety. And, you know, there’s no rest, right? Everybody’s in the same boat. But there is literally — you’ve never seen anything like it. I mean, literally nothing like it. The Americans who are coming back from operations and in-between operations who are going out to rescue people, and their own government is trying to stop them.

    CLAY: Lara, you’ve covered all sorts of wild scenarios in your career — and thank you for coming on the show. As we just came in, reports now up on Fox News that at least 10 U.S. service members have been killed today in Kabul. Is there anything in your history as a journalist that reminds you at all of the chaos that is going on in Afghanistan? I know you’re probably too young, like we are, to have remembered what was going on in Saigon in 1975, but certainly there’s been talk surrounding Benghazi. Where can you even go to to think of a precedent for the situation right now on the ground in Afghanistan?

    LOGAN: You can’t. And I’ll tell you why. Because on the beaches of Normandy and even at Pearl Harbor, Americans acted with honor and with dignity and they stood up for what was good and right and just. And that is not the case today for the United States government. It is the case for American soldiers and intelligence operatives within the agencies. It’s not the case for the State Department, apparently, or for the White House or any of those people who have the power to change everything that you are seeing happen right now.

    They can change it all! You can… Literally, the Taliban’s forces are out in full view. You could obliterate their leadership. You could get rid of the Al-Qaeda terrorists that are part of the Taliban and part of their leadership. You could use your diplomatic power to stop Pakistan’s support for your enemies and Qatar, another supposed ally, that’s also financing this invasion of Afghanistan.

    You could support your Afghan allies, the special operations soldiers that you have lied about and discredited. Lloyd Austin’s saying, “Can’t buy willpower.” You know what you can’t buy, Lloyd Austin? Integrity! Right? And courage. And the truth. Can’t buy it, ’cause it either is or it isn’t. So we have never in our lifetimes ever seen anything like this. Americans have always been able to go into the world with the knowledge that they truly represent a great ideal: Freedom as a way of life.

    It may not be perfect and we all know it’s not perfect. Goodness, that’s all we hear about these days is how imperfect it is. Well, that’s one thing. But now we’ve gone to the point where, you know, America is the root of all level, and believing in America, being patriotic is now a crime, and it’s a crime of such significance that people should be in jail for it. Because don’t forget there are a lot of Americans rotting in solitary confinement today for going to the Capitol on January 6th.

    And none of them have been convicted of a crime yet. So what you’re looking at right now is literally not just America but the ideals and the ideas for which America stands and for which, by the way, the Afghan government and the country, the nation stood. All of that has been destroyed by our own hand. We did it to ourselves. This wasn’t a forced error. We didn’t have the Chinese or the Russians hacking us and stealing victory from us.

    We gave it away. In fact, defeat… You know, surrender is the only the only type of victory that actually has to be given. You can’t take it, and we gave it not just to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. We gave it to every American enemy all over the world. And what we took from our allies was the certainty that you could count on us, which means it works both ways. We no longer have the certainty that we can count on them, and where does that leave us? Isolated and weak, with no moral authority on the world stage — and that puts Americans everywhere at risk.

    BUCK: Lara, the situation on the ground right now… We just have gotten the heartbreaking news about at least, they’re saying, 10 U.S. service members killed in Kabul. This is far from over, as we all know. There is a timeline. There is a clock we’re operating under here. What —

    LOGAN: No, there’s no timeline.

    BUCK: What are you hearing about the security —

    LOGAN: There’s no timeline!

    BUCK: I’m sorry?

    LOGAN: There’s no timeline. That is false. That is the narrative that you have been forced, you know, and manipulated into believing is the case. We are imposing a false timeline because we are pretending that the Taliban calls the shots!

    BUCK: Just to be clear, I was referring to the Biden administration timeline. I hear what you’re saying, which is we shouldn’t be operating under a timeline but —

    LOGAN: Even the Biden administration’s timeline false, because there is no timeline when it comes to what you’re talking about. You’re gonna let terrorists on the 20th anniversary of 9/11… you’re gonna allow terrorists, the same ones responsible for that attack, for killing almost 3,000 Americans. You’re gonna allow them to kill more of your people, and you’re gonna do nothing about it. And you know what?

    We should have known this because they did exactly the same thing in Benghazi. They allowed Al-Qaeda, on the 10th anniversary of 9/11, to kill Chris Stevens and Ty Woods and Glen Doherty, right? They allowed them to kill Americans in celebration of 9/11, and they’re doing the same thing here almost on the celebration of the 20th anniversary. And the Obama administration did nothing to prevent that attack.

    They did nothing to intervene, and they did very little since. In fact, what they did was spend the next few years apologizing for Islamic terrorists, pretending that Islamic terrorism and extremism didn’t exist, and that anyone who wanted to have that conversation was pushing hate and was Islamophobic. They even created the term Islamophobia!

    And then people like the Open Society Foundation came up a step-by-step way that you could establish Islamophobia as a counter to any criticism of Islamic terrorism, and that was in 2,000 documents that were in a WikiLeaks dump from Open Society Foundation records that, oh — surprise, surprise — are no longer available online. You can’t find them, right? But these things have been well funded and well organized. You know, it’s so important for Americans to realize that they don’t have to… There is no timeline. It’s false!

    BUCK: Lara, can I ask you, do you think there’s any chance that the Biden administration could be convinced or is willing to take, from what you’re saying here, blow out this timeline if there are still Americans on the ground, or are your sources telling you, no, the Biden team is pulling everybody out one way or the other by the end of this month?

    LOGAN: Look at their actions! The answer lies in their actions. No matter what has happened along the way, even when Afghans were clinging to an Air Force plane and plummeting to their deaths below, right? Six Afghans whose bodies were recovered… I spoke to people who were part of that. Even when that was happening, the chaotic scenes at the airport, the criticism that the administration has had, the emphasis on the how.

    No one’s saying, “Don’t withdraw.” No one’s saying, “You can’t withdraw.” They’re just saying, “You don’t do it like this. Don’t deliver this massive defeat and sort of, you know, drench us in the blood of betrayal. That will be a historic shame!” I mean, Americans will be defined by shame and betrayal for the rest of this — for eternity! I mean, you’ll never come back from this.

    There’s no saying, “Well, we’re a great ally except for that that blip in Afghanistan. Oops! Sorry. Didn’t mean to do that.” There’s no coming back from something like this, because you know why? ‘Cause it’s about principle. You either are a loyal friend or you’re not. You either are there when someone needs you or you’re not, and when we need you, you’re either there or you’re not. And you know what?

    The Afghans were. When we asked them to be with us, they were. When we asked Vladimir Putin, ‘Can we use your territory and your allies in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan for our planes and our bases?” he said, “Yes,” in the wake of 9/11. Right? Even our adversaries were more reliable allies than we have been to the Afghan people. So will the Biden administration do anything different?

    If you look at their actions, there has been zero indication that they are willing to change the outcome of their policies and their decisions, because they’ve done nothing to do that. The same with the southern border. People say, “Ooooh, the Biden administration, you know, they’re not acting.” No, they did act. They acted to create the outcome that you’re seeing, and they’re not acting to change it because they have the outcome that they want.

    And unless the American people — and America’s leaders on both sides of the aisle, Democrat and Republican, unless they — stand up and say, “We will not be misrepresented by you. We will not betray our allies. We will not be isolated on the world stage. We will not have our national security sacrificed on the altar of America’s enemies, both foreign and domestic…” Unless you stand up and do that, you will bear the mark of shame, always, from this moment forward.

    CLAY: Lara… By the way, phenomenal. I agree with virtually everything that you have said, and you’ve said it so eloquently. What should happen to Joe Biden and his advisers and his military officials in the wake of Afghanistan? What should we do as a country, in your mind, to serve notice that this kind of decision and this kind of behavior is unacceptable?

    LOGAN: Americans should be in the streets! They should be protesting. They wanted to take the power of the people away. That’s what January 6 was about. That’s what all these ridiculous DHS alerts about white supremacy, threats. If you talk about vote fraud, you’re a domestic terror threat. If you question Biden or the reaction to the vaccine or covid or whatever it is, now you’re a terrorist threat.

    You know what? Americans have gone along with this for way too long. The truth is that Americans on both sides of the aisle can see that this is absolute tyranny. Right? They know that it’s false. Unfortunately, there are all of the Americans who have been deceived into believing that a bunch of yahoos can go take pictures of themselves in the Capitol and be violent and out of control and behave badly, and that they can really be intending to carry out an insurrection.

    What was your plan, that you were gonna delay the vote to the next day? Was that your mark of success? I mean, for goodness’ sake, right? This is so ridiculous, that people don’t think these policies through, and so what should happen… You know, I’m not a politician, obviously. Anyone listening to me can tell. But what I can tell you, this is what I know. I know what’s true and I know what’s not true.

    And I know that the power of the people is the only thing they fear. That’s why they’re branding you a terrorist. That’s why they are imprisoning you without trial. That’s whey they’re sending Antifa, their brownshirts, into your neighborhoods to threaten and terrorize you. That’s why they go into the churches and burning them down, right? It’s all based on tyranny and fear.

    They want to control you. Don’t give them that victory that they can’t ever win. They cannot ever take it from you. It has to be given. When you surrender and you stay silent and you turn off the TV and you say, “Ah, it’s too stressful.” It is stressful. I agree. I’m with you. I’ve had my periods where I don’t want to turn on the TV. But the reality is just because you’re not watching and paying attention, doesn’t mean it isn’t taking place.

    So you turn around one day when the fighting is at your door, right? When the bombs that are going off in your neighborhood, when it’s pieces of your children that you’re picking up from the rubble just like they did on 9/11, right? When that happens, we cannot say it’s somebody else’s fault. Because if it is true that this is a government of the people and by the people and for the people — if those things are true — then you have to make your voice heard. Demand action from your leaders, Democrats and Republicans. I cannot say it enough. This is not a left-right thing. It is a right and wrong thing. A right and wrong thing.

    CLAY: Lara Logan, just absolutely phenomenal, Fox News war correspondent.

    LOGAN: Right and wrong. That’s all it is.

    CLAY: We need to get you on again. Thank you for all the work that you are doing to try to help people in Afghanistan. We will talk to you again soon.

    LOGAN: Thank you so much.

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