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30 Aug 2021

  • Daily Wire: Biden Turns Back On Reporter Who Asks Him About Afghanistan: ‘I’m Not Going To Answer Afghanistan Now’
  • Wall Street Journal: Trapped in Afghanistan, Rescued by Volunteers: How a Handful of Americans Freed 5,000 Afghans
  • FOXNews: Retired Green Beret warns Americans, Afghan allies will be trapped behind enemy lines within hours
  • PJ Media: Dan Crenshaw, Lara Logan Bring the Most Disturbing Reports Out of the Kabul Airport Yet
  • Breitbart: Reports: Afghans Blame Biden Airstrike for 10 Civilian Deaths, Including Children
  • FOXNews: Marine fired for criticizing military leaders resigns, says chasing stability makes ‘slave to the system’
  • New York Post: Biden ripped for apparently glancing at watch during ceremony for fallen troops
  • Task & Purpose: Here’s all the US military equipment that likely ended up in Taliban hands
  • New York Post: Taliban has billions in US weapons, including Black Hawks and up to 600K rifles
  • Daily Wire: Gold Star Father To Biden: ‘You Are Culpable’ For Kabul Bombings, Stop Blaming Trump
  • Daily Caller: 13-Beer Tribute To Fallen Marines Sweeps Bars Across The US
  • PJ Media: Biden Drone Strike Killed Nine Members of a Single Family, Including Six Children
  • NewsBusters: CNN, NBC Press Biden Admin Officials on Giving Taliban a ‘Kill List’ of Names

  • Townhall: Own Your Failure Biden Voters – Kurt Schlichter
  • Bloomberg: Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
  • Twitter: Twitter Permanently Blacklists Independent Journalist Alex Berenson
  • Federalist: Pretending COVID Is An Emergency Is Killing America
  • Breitbart: As Not Seen on the BBC: Thousands March Against Vaccine Passports, Medical Coercion in London
  • NewsBusters: NY Times Reporter: ‘Imaginative Contrarians’ Needed for Crazy Christians on COVID
  • Daily Caller: ESPN Commentators Claim The Network Was Tricked Into Broadcasting A Game Featuring Bishop Sycamore
  • Gateway Pundit: Conservative Purge Continues: Chase Bank Tells Gen. Michael Flynn They Are Closing His Accounts and Cancelling His Credit Cards; Claim Continuing to Allow the Decorated Veteran Access to His Accounts “Creates Reputational Risk”

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    It’s Alex Berenson Friday!

    27 Aug 2021

    BUCK: Here’s a headline that might give us a good kickoff to what we’re about to dive into.  Biden administration likely to approve covid boosters at six months.  It is not eight.  That was a few weeks ago.  Oh, so much has been changing since then. Let’s talk to our friend Alex Berenson about this. You should subscribe to his Substack if you want to see some data and factual analysis of what’s really going on in the Willingness to Be Contrarian When it Comes to Fauciism World. Alex is an investigative journalist. He joins Clay and me now. Mr. Berenson, always a pleasure.

    BERENSON: Mr. Buck, I have to tell you (laughing), you said six months. That is true, except that today Biden apparently told CNBC five months. (laughing) You can’t make it up!

    BUCK: Alex, tell us what the heck is going on here.

    BERENSON: Well, what the heck is going on, is the vaccines are failing in Israel and everywhere, but Israel has really good data — and so what they’re desperately trying to do is prop people up. And what that appears to do is you get this bump in antibodies, which should be a good thing, except that it looks like once again the antibodies, all they do is start declining again.

    The other problem is it’s pretty clear that the vaccines don’t appear to work as well against the Delta variant as against the what’s called the wild-type variant or the earlier variants of the virus. Wild type being the original. So, it’s not even clear that topping people up this way is gonna produce the effect that they hope it will even in the short term. But it’s a measure of desperation. But I want to say something.

    You guys always, the last couple of times I’ve been on, you said, “Give us some good news. Give us some good news. It’s Friday, people don’t want to hear just bad news,” and it’s been a bad week, obviously. So, here’s good news. Okay, since I last spoke to you guys last week — and I actually just wrote a Stack which I just published which people can read for free — you don’t have to subscribe — because it’s so important, about natural immunity.

    There’s more and more data showing how powerful natural immunity to the coronavirus is. So, if you get it once, you look very, very well protected going forward. Reinfection rates are very low, that’s true, even of the Delta variant, and it’s not just that the numbers are low. I mean, obviously it’s great that people are not filling hospitals with the second infection or multiple infections.

    There’s really good theoretical, scientific work suggesting why this is. And so I wrote this today, and I didn’t even talk about the fact that vaccine immunity seems to be going away and it’s much worse than natural immunity. I said, “This is gonna be a good news story. We’re just gonna talk about why you should feel pretty good if you’ve gotten through this, but you don’t need a vaccine again.” You’re very well protected.

    CLAY: Thanks for coming on, Alex, and I just retweeted that article that you put up about natural immunity. That was gonna be the question that I asked you. Why is that story — which is positive, it’s fantastic news. We think there’s probably — Buck and I would be in this category; a lot of you listening to us out there are as well. The CDC itself would say there’s over a hundred million people, I believe, in the United States that they project have had covid and recovered from it.

    Why is that never discussed? All we hear is, “If you get the vaccine, you’re a hero. If you don’t get the vaccine, you’re a villain.” And no one ever talks about people — and I put myself squarely in this camp — who feel comfortable that we overcame covid. I’ve got antibodies. Why would I put an additional vaccine in my body? And I’ll give you an example, Alex. I had chicken pox as a kid. I’ve never gotten the chicken pox vaccine because I don’t need it.

    BERENSON: Right. That’s a really good question. That’s a political question, right? I think you can throw out a couple potential reasons that make sense in addition to all the reasons that are just lousy. I would say one potential reason is, there’s a lot of people — and I get these emails from people all the time — saying, I didn’t have a positive test, but I’m pretty sure I had covid. Well, you should really know if the logic is “I don’t want to be vaccinated,” I mean, there’s logic you might not want to be vaccinated.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: But if the logic is, “I don’t want to be vaccinated because I had this before,” we’re talking about the people who know they had it. They had a positive PCR test or a positive antibody test. And, you know, there’s people who want to believe they had it who don’t have those things.

    So, you know, so that’s one reason. And then another reason is I think a few months ago there was this belief that because the vaccines did produce such what’s called “high titres,” they produce very high levels of antibodies in people; that they might be better than natural immunity and that there was sort of no downside.

    Unfortunately, it is increasingly clear — again both from both the real world data and the sort of bench science data — that the opposite is the case, that natural immunity is just far superior to vaccine immunity. And so you know so now we get to the bad reasons, right? The bad reasons are that they’ve locked themselves into this. They’ve locked themselves into, “Vaccines are gonna save us all.

    “This is the answer to this, this gets us back to normal,” and they can’t seem to acknowledge that the reality, A, that vaccines can’t do that — at least the vaccines that we have now — and, B, that he should have been have gone back to normal long ago. So they’ve come up with solutions that don’t really work to eye problem that was never there. I’m not saying the coronavirus isn’t real. I’m not saying it doesn’t kill people. What I’m saying is we could always have gone back to normal — and you see this in schools, right?

    CLAY: And shouldn’t, if we’re being honest, Alex, shouldn’t you be able to say, “Hey, if you’re gonna require a vaccine passport, if you’re gonna require a negative covid test for many different businesses, shouldn’t you at least be able to take your positive covid antibody test and show that, given that we now it’s modern protective?” If you’re going to require something be shown to be able to get in or even for employees out there who have vaccine mandates — and I saw you tweet that one hospital is at least allowing that — shouldn’t we allow positive antibody tests for someone who’s recovered from covid as being at least the equivalent of what’s going on right now?

    BERENSON: It’s so much more perverse than that, though, right? (laughs) Because we know that vaccine immunity fades.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BERENSON: But they’re not gonna require you to get the booster, at least not at this point, okay. So if you’re eight months out, you can say, “I got vaccinated. I get to go everywhere,” even though you really have no protection.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BERENSON: Whereas if you have natural protection eight months out, which is real, you get nothing for it. This is what happens when politics just runs rampant over science and medicine. And when people who are in charge won’t admit they’re wrong, right? This is what happens.

    BUCK: Are they just pretending, Alex, that that’s not true or they just ignore it? Are they contesting being the natural immunity protections versus…? When I say “they,” you know who I am talking about. Fauci and the whole crew, or do they just…? Are they just, you know, it’s like CNN when there’s a bad story about Biden, like, is that what’s going on?

    BERENSON: That’s a good question. You know, look, Fauci’s not dumb, okay? Fauci understands what’s going on. Do his political betters understand what’s going on? I’m not sure. Okay. But he understands, and there are inside the NIH who clearly understand this. I mean, it’s funny. A couple months the NIH put out a press release saying, “Look! Vaccine immunity is so great. Here’s a paper that shows it.”

    The paper showed actually that vaccine immunity, even when you had the antibodies, was much narrower than the antibody spectrum of natural immunity. And the paper showed that. They linked to the paper, and they didn’t acknowledge this reality. So did they just think that nobody’s gonna read the paper?

    Most reporters I know will not read the paper. But the paper says what it says, and all you have to do is read it. Look, some of the stuff is technical and complicated and I’m not gonna claim to be an expert on it, but the take-aways are fairly straightforward and you can read them, and you can read the way they conducted the study.

    BUCK: Another question. Speaking to Alex Berenson. Everyone, if you want some covid outside-the-box thinking as in outside Fauci’s box —

    BERENSON: (laughs)

    BUCK: — go to his subStack and he has a lot of great stuff there. I’m a subscriber, just full disclosure, I subscribe to Alex’s Substack myself and read what he’s putting out. Alex, we’re at a point nowhere they’re saying boosters — you said five months maybe. It could be four by the time this all is said and done.

    BERENSON: (laughing)

    BUCK: It feels like the number keeps going down. But with every round of this, aren’t there all kinds of things, they keep saying, oh, if you don’t get vaccinated there will be variants and you’ll be cause of the new variants. But as we get more boosters, won’t there also be variants that get around those, and won’t there be additional risks of side effect, right? If you tell me to take a shot once and you give me the side-effect profile, that’s one thing. If I got take that every year, isn’t that a different thing?

    BERENSON: Well, it’s not even every year. It’s every few months now!

    BUCK: Sorry. (laughs)

    BERENSON: Now we’re getting to the bad news portion of the talk, right? You know, and this will be a future Stack. There’s a lot to write about this. But there are very, very lean signs around the vaccines, okay? And I don’t want to scare people. Most people have not been vaccinated. But if you look at sort of the global spectrum, countries that are vaccinated are going through a third wave, a fourth wave.

    If you look countries of low vaccination rates the opposite is true. And that cannot be attributed to seasonality. It’s serving all geographies, okay? And then it looks like the vaccinates are not very protective against Delta. There’s both theoretical and real work on this, and so to give people a booster that’s gonna — again — prop up their antibodies, but if those antibiotics aren’t actually working against Delta or not working as well, I’m not sure what good that does.

    And then there’s another paper that came out again since we spoke last week from Japan, a very good, very worrying paper showing that the virus seems to be mutating in a way to evade the vaccine, because vaccines are so focused on the spike protein. In other words, the vaccines only make you produce antibodies to one part of virus within the spike protein.

    And really only one part of that part of the virus. Natural immunity is much broader. So the virus, quote-unquote, “knows.” The virus doesn’t know anything, but it mutates in a way to evade this vaccine-generated immunity, and it can do that relatively easily by changing the way its spike protein looks. Okay. So now we get to very complicated analysis. But the short version of this is vaccines may be driving some of these mutations.

    CLAY: All right. I want to bring you back, Alex, we’re gonna bring you back as we often do.

    BERENSON: Of course! (laughing)

    CLAY: And then we got a couple more questions, including what Twitter has said, if anything, about their strikes that they put against you, which now have all been proven to be true!

    BERENSON: Yeah.

    CLAY: Everything that they were saying you weren’t allowed to say, the data is now so true that even the Daily Beast is trending and writing stories about the Israeli data that you were sharing with us weeks ago. I want to ask you what you’re seeing there in Israel and in England. We’ll have a bit more with Alex when we come back.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    CLAY: Alex Berenson, the most honest man who’s been covering the covid mess for the last 18 months. Alex, I wanted to ask you this. I saw you tweet that in the United Kingdom, in England now, over 70% of the deaths that they are having are occurring in vaccinated patients. Certainly, ugly and alarming details coming out of Israel now. You were criticized for sharing this data and calling into question the efficacy of the vaccine.

    Now everyone is acknowledging, including the Biden White House, that the vaccines are not as efficacious as they had hoped and that’s why everybody’s gotta get boosters. Has Twitter in any way removed any of the strikes against you? And what are you seeing right now in England and Israel, much more vaccinated countries than the United States, as we go forward that we should expect to see here in the future?

    BERENSON: Sure. So the first question is, Twitter has not contacted me to tell me. So Twitter, you get five strikes, and then you’re permanently banned. I am on strike four. My last strike came about three weeks ago when I basically said, “Look at the Israeli data.”

    That was one of the strikes. The strikes have all been stuff in the last six weeks. And they’ve essentially all been proven correct, as you say. Now, I have to be honest. I’m much less worried about this than I was let’s say two months ago because thanks to you and to Tucker Carlson, you know, I now have more than a hundred thousand people I can reach directly through the Substack.

    There’s more than 100,000 subscribers, or 100,000 sign-ups. Some of those people are paying; most are not. But that’s fine with me. So I can get my message out even if Twitter blocks me at this point. But from my point of view, in saying that I’m putting out misleading information, they’re defaming me.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BERENSON: And if they choose to block me, you know, I’m gonna have legal options that I’m gonna explore because I don’t think they should block me. They’re defaming my reputation as a reporter when they say I’m putting out stuff that’s not true, I’m misleading. So long story short, I’m sort of in a standoff with Twitter. I’m still using the service. I have more than 300,000 people. I expect that at some point they will block me — although they haven’t yet — or permanently suspend me, and when that happens we’ll see what happens next. But, meanwhile, sign up for the Stack in case they make me go away. England and Israel.

    BUCK: Alex?

    BERENSON: Yes.

    BUCK: No, England and Israel. Go ahead.

    BERENSON: So, yeah, the numbers are not good. They’re worse out of Israel, which actually should be more concerning to the U.S. because Israel used only the Pfizer vaccine and they used it on the same schedule that we did. In the U.K., they used the AstraZeneca vaccine, which is a DNA vaccine like the J&J vaccine and they used a lot of that and they also used a different schedule of dosing than sort of the recommended schedule and that different schedule may have actually worked a little bit better for them.

    But long story short, a margin people in those countries who are dying of covid are fully vaccinated — fully, two weeks out from the second dose. And now the people who are defending vaccines will say, “Yes, but they’re not quite dying proportionately to their proportion in the population. So that shows vaccines are still somewhat effective against serious disease and death.” That is true if you look at the top-line numbers.

    What I would say the counterargument to that is is that people who aren’t vaccinated who are really old probably couldn’t be vaccinated and so you really can’t compare the two populations. If you look at the overall numbers, the most important numbers, 10 times a smany people last week died of covid in the U.K. as did this week in August 2020. Okay. So that’s gotta worry you. Why is that?

    They vaccinated tons of people, and yet deaths are 10 times as high as they were in August 2020. And even more worrying to me, all-cause mortality — meaning deaths from every cause, everybody who dies — are higher now. They’re running higher in the U.K. than they were this time last year, and the gap is increasing. I don’t know why that is. I’m not blaming the vaccine. But I am saying, “We really need to look at this. It should worry people.”

    BUCK: All right, Alex, we’ll have you back maybe next Friday —

    BERENSON: How did we wind up with bad news again!

    BUCK: — or in a couple of weeks for sure. Alex Berenson, everybody.

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    Former Navy SEAL and Bestselling Author Jack Carr on Afghanistan

    27 Aug 2021

    CLAY: We are joined now by Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL sniper and task unit commander who has served in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Jack, we appreciate you joining us and all your service, and I know this has been a tough week for many people both in uniform and out of uniform. I want to start with this question for you. When you saw the report that we had turned over the names of American allies in Afghanistan to the Taliban, your reaction was what?

    CARR: Well, it was another in a long list of errors that is going to impact those on the front lines, and not so much those from temperature-controlled offices in the Pentagon or in and around Washington, D.C. We just handed over the names of U.S. citizens, maybe some people that helped us over the last 20 years to the enemy that we’ve been engaged with on the battlefield for those 20 years, and then we’re asking them permission if it’s okay to get those people out?

    They get to decide whether they can let these people through to an airport as we try to evacuate them in a way that is obviously a disaster? And once again, it’s those front line E-1s, E-2s, E-6s, O1s, O2s, those junior-level officers that enlisted that are out there in the meat grinder making the best of a chaotic, violent, dynamic, fluid situation, just like they have for the last 20 years. So, I would like to say that I was surprised by that. But, unfortunately, looking at the last 20 years as my guide, it is not that shocking. It’s just heartbreaking, devastating, unfortunate.

    BUCK: Jack, it’s Buck. I want to know what you think we — the United States government/military — could do to try to enhance the security situation on the ground, because all we’ve really heard from the Biden administration is essentially, “We’re residential on the Taliban, and it’s in their interest — it’s in the Taliban’s interests — to prevent this from happening again.”

    It’s already happened once. Obviously, everyone hearing that is thinking to themselves, “Well, that’s a horrible situation to be in. That’s not something that makes us feel good.” Do you see a way to at least make that situation a little bit less high risk for the Americans and SIV holders and others who are either trying to or have gotten into Kabul international airport?

    CARR: Yes. We saw that same sentiment echoed by the CENTCOM commander yesterday, talking about it being in the Taliban’s best interests to let these people through, to put people through security screenings. But if you’ve seen any of these pictures like we all have coming in… I mean, you’re seeing these people crowding the gates. You’re seeing them standing in sewage.

    You’re seeing the babies handed over the walls to Marines that are manning those barriers. It’s just chaos down there. And even when we had very robust security measures in place at a lot of our bases in Afghanistan and in Iraq, you would see these cars come in, you would see people come in, and that’s a tough thing to do even for our soldiers to check out who has an S-Vest on.

    “That truck coming in, it looks like that suspension is a little heavy. Do I shoot? Do I not? What’s going on?” I mean, it’s tough for us who have protocols in place, we have ROEs in place who are trained up, and now we’re relying on the Taliban, our enemy, to not let other terrorist groups, warlords, somebody looking to take a shot to blow something up?

    Should they be able to get a little street cred by saying, “Hey, we kicked the Americans out of Afghanistan just like they did with the Soviets and with the British way before that”? So there are definitely things we can do. I mean, look at how much we have invested in our military since the end of World War II up to today, and then look at what we’re doing. Look at who we are relying on.

    Once again, it’s that rifleman, it’s that Marine down there holding that M4 that is standing the guard, standing the watch, holding the line once again. With all those assets that American military has at its disposal, not in country. Air power, out of there. Intelligence apparatus, dismantled, allowing the enemy to get right up close.

    No standoff between that front line soldier and the person who might be wearing that S-Vest in a crazy, dynamic situation. So there are definitely things that could be done both tactically and strategically. But unfortunately, it looks like we are just focused on this August 31st date and try to scramble out of there as fast as we possibly can. It’s a dark day for America.

    CLAY: There’s no doubt about that, Jack. Question for you. We talked yesterday, and it seems like there’s a clarity here that we are going to leave some Americans behind in Afghanistan. What do you think the chances are that we end up with some form of hostage-like situation after our troops are already off the ground and out of the country and we may have to send people back in, as you assess the situation on the ground right now?

    CARR: Yeah, it’s a good question, and maybe it does fall back to whose best interests is it to have the United States either in or out of that country? So with the Taliban in charge running the country, different warring factions in the mix, there are terrorists organization in the mix there. Who is to benefit from holding on to these Americans and a lot, not eventually allowing them safe passage out of the country?

    Or how can they spin this into an advantageous public relations campaign of which they have proven themselves to be much better at than our public affairs officers in the military? So, it’s certainly a high probability that they could be used as bargaining chips for something else that’s the Taliban or one of these warring factions or terrorist groups wants; or it’s also possible that they just leave the country via other means later.

    But it’s certainly a possibility that they could be taken hostage and be used as bargaining chips going forward. The point being they should never be in that position to begin with. Once — they shouldn’t have been. As everything started to deteriorate, we should have hit these noncombatant evacuation plans and a gone in, figured out where everybody was, brought them to a strategically advantageous point, not giving those points up and consolidating our forces at Kabul.

    But once we’re in that position, now it’s time to not leave these Americans behind. That’s the last thing we can do to salvage some vestige of our dignity is to go out, crush the enemy, get all our citizens out, and, you know what? Then reevaluate and hold people accountable, both in the military and bureaucrats, elected officials who… This has been like a slow-motion train wreck —

    BUCK: I want to jump in on that, Jack —

    CARR: — the last 20 years, and the last couple weeks.

    BUCK: — sorry, Jack — about the accountability question, though. I think this is critical. We’ve had friends like former Army Ranger 10th Mountain, Sean Parnell, on to talk about the boots-versus-the-suits paradigm here —

    CARR: Mmm-hmm.

    BUCK: — that this wasn’t about what was done tactically on the ground during the war we’re talking right now. This is about decisions from the top on down. And they’ve been catastrophic in recent weeks, recent months. We’ve all seen that. For everyone, we’re speaking to Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL and author of The Terminal List Series, which you should all check. Excellent, excellent series of novels. The Devil’s Hand is his latest.

    Jack, here is General Milley. This was in June during a hearing on Capitol Hill. The issue of Bagram air base, which many people who watch this closely say was among the most inexcusably stupid decisions made to just sort of say, “Yeah, we’re gonna give up Bagram.” Here’s what General Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in June.

    MILLEY: (sputtering) So uh, uh, uh, a couple of quick comments here, uh, on Bagram. Bagram, ummm is not necessary tactically, operationally forward we’re gonna try to do here with Afghanistan. Uhhhh, consolidate on, uhh, uhh, Kabul, ummm, with — in support of their government.

    BUCK: Not necessary, Jack. Consolidate on Kabul. Well, we did that and now we see what happened.

    CARR: Yeah. There’s a difference between confidence and competence. And we’ve seen these generals get up for the last 20 years in front of Congress with their uniforms on, the stars on their shoulder boards with the medals on their chest and being very confident about, “We just need so many more troops, so many more resources, so much more funding,” whatever it might be, “We’re about to hit our goals.”

    That sounds very confident. But competence is lacking. And as you know, we talk about assets and liabilities, whether that’s in the military, that’s in intelligence circumstances that’s in business on with your family. Who’s an asset and who is a liability, and it seems like these senior level military leaders and our elected officials and bureaucrats are falling into this liability category.

    For whatever reason, but we’ve had 20 years to look back on to evaluate their performance, and they continue to be promoted up the chain of command and then work after they get out with full pension on the boards of these companies that are attached very directly to the defense industry, and we’re gonna see that again in this case.

    But he sounded very confident in that, but was that a competent decision? We’re gonna go back and look at it, of course, but it doesn’t seem like giving up that base made sense. And for those who have been downrange in combat, you always want to improve your fighting position. And you can do that strategically. You can do that tactically.

    And it seems like we did not do that in this point. In fact, we did the exact opposite of improving our fighting position. We made it weaker at a time when we did not have all our citizens accounted for or out of the country. So it seems like we did things backwards and we almost did this in a way… We couldn’t have done this worse had we been actively trying to do it the worst way we possibly could.

    CLAY: Jack, last question for you. And we Appreciate your time. Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL. He’s done incredible work. I encourage you to check out his books as well. Reports now that maybe another terror attack is imminent. That’s basically what has been told to Joe Biden. We heard that right before this attack that killed, it appears, over 200 people, including 13 American soldiers. How can we stop, if at all, another terror attack from happening before we get our troops out of that country?

    CARR: Right. So, the enemy now has seen a successful attack. Yeah, they can try to do the same thing again. But usually what they’ll do is morph it a tiny bit, adapt, which they have proven a lot better being adaptive than we are. They do it a little quicker than us because they’re not a huge bureaucracy like we are. They’re operating in small cells. They can make those adjustments very quickly.

    So I would not be surprised if we saw something because, as we know over there, these war leaders, terrorist organizations, they’re gonna want to be able to say that, “Hey, we were the ones that got those final shots off. We kicked the Americans out of Afghanistan.” So I see that as something that is a probability just because of that culture over there, who we’re dealing with, and what we’ve given them to work with which is an awful lot.

    So obviously more standoffs between or Marines, our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and those crowds is of vital important right now, not allowing those suicide bombers to get close. That’s just basic. You don’t need to be a student of military history or a military tactician to figure all this out. All you need to is a little bit of common sense, and that common sense is severely lacking at our senior level leaders’ levels.

    And one more thing I wanted to say, point out is that the President’s Daily Brief is something that obviously one of the most highly classified documents in Washington, in the world. After this, we are going to need to see what was in those briefs leading up to this disaster. I think Obama declassified different President’s Daily Briefs from the Kennedy administration, from Nixon, from Ford administration. We had one page in August of 2001 that was declassified by the Bush administration. We need to see these President’s Daily Briefs leading up to this event, and we need to hold people accountable.

    BUCK: Former Navy SEAL Jack Carr. Go check out OfficialJackCarr.com to get some of his excellent novels, which I believe are in progress, being be made into some fantastic series on TV or movie. Jack, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it.

    CARR: Thanks for having me, and thanks for all you do.

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    More Leftist Activist Judge Bull Crap in Florida

    27 Aug 2021

    BUCK: The left uses its power. The right sits around and says, “I don’t know. We don’t want government to do things, so who needs to protect individual rights? Let’s just let the left keep doing what it wants.” That happens in a lot of places. It’s not happening as much in some stalwarts of defending individual freedom despite the craziness of the lockdowns. Places like Florida and Texas are making good moves here, doing smart things about covid.

    And yet they’re up against the Democrats in those states. They’re almost entirely… It’s a handful of very red states with pretty small populations, but you’ve got Texas and Florida, where they’ve gotta work with the “what is possible,” not just in the legislator but also with activist judges. Clay just sent it to me, and we are diving into it together in the break ’cause we’re always analyzing in real time.

    This is in the Wall Street Journal: “Florida schools, covid mask mandates upheld by a judge.” Here’s a judge in Florida who says that school districts “can impose mask mandates and Governor Ron DeSantis overstepped his authority when he banned mask mandates. The judge sided with parents of school children who challenged a July executive order by DeSantis and a subsequent state rule that forbids school districts from implementing mask requirements that don’t allow parents to opt out.” Clay, apparently you can mandate masks, but you cannot mandate freedom from masks as a function of government authority in the state of Florida. This is activist judge bull crap.

    CLAY: Yeah. And it’s gonna be appealed, I’m sure. But this ruling just came down in the last half hour out of a Tallahassee court. And the way what I would think about this is — let’s start here, and we’re gonna talk with Alex Berenson in the third hour, but — there remains not a single scintilla of shred of the evidence that masks on children makes them safer. For everybody out there who wants to listen to the experts or follow science, the science so far has been clear.

    Many European countries are not requiring masks. The only large study in Georgia of 90,000 pupils found that there was no difference in terms of safety for masked or non-masked children. I think all of that is incredibly significant here. Also significant, Buck, what the governor of Florida is doing is not mandating that no masks can be worn. He’s merely saying parents should have the choice to decide whether or not their kids wear masks. This is, I think, a flagrantly wrong decision by this Florida judge. What you got for us?

    BUCK: Clay and I are like special operations anti-mask brigades.

    CLAY: Amen!

    BUCK: (laughing) We’re right on the front lines.

    CLAY: Yes, and there are not a lot of supporters for us right now in the media.

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: That’s the truth.

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    Unvaccinated Americans Share Stories of Discrimination

    27 Aug 2021

    BUCK: Sharon in Brooklyn, New York. NYC in the house. What’s up, Sharon?

    CALLER: Yes. Hi. I’m a city employee, and, regarding the vax mandate, I was told either I vax or you don’t come back. And just want to know, like, where do I start in terms of pushing back? I’m one person. We’re all very much in our own little bubble. And I just want to know, like, where I even start. This de Blasio is just dictating mandates playing with this communist agenda here. And I just… Where do I go? What do I do?

    CLAY: What’s your financial situation, Sharon? Because I think that’s the first question that I would ask in general. If you didn’t have your job tomorrow, would you be able to take care of your family? Would your overall lifestyle be able to continue in the same way? ‘Cause I think this is where the rubber meets the road, and that’s the first question that I ask anybody on this situation like this.

    CALLER: I think I would be… Well, you know, when you’re a DOE employee, you have a pension.

    CLAY: Yes.

    CALLER: They have, like, this net. You’re kind of tied in something where, like, the longer you work, the more, the better your pension at the end. And I guess —

    BUCK: I worked for the NYPD. I know. That was the big thing, Sharon. I was a civilian contractor, terrorism expert working for intel division. But I just bring it up because I remember those guys, they work for 20 for their pension, right?

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: So you leave at 16 or 17 years whatever, that’s a huge — and I’m sure it’s that way for a lot of other city jobs. Sharon, there’s no… This is why I’m kind of shouting from the rooftops. We need people in positions of power in places across the country to start protesting under rights of conscience… Almost like you’re a conscientious vaccine objector, if you will. Under rights of conscience and anti-discrimination statute, we have to have people who say, you can’t be forced to get the vaccine. It won’t happen in New York anytime soon, but if it would happen somewhere, Clay, at least we’d have the beginning of the resistance.

    CLAY: Yeah, and, Sharon, my answer — and look, we can’t tell what to do. But, Buck, what they’re trying to do is paint people into a corner where they have no other options and that’s why I think it’s so frustrating to so many people out there. If you are required to have your job, most people have to get out of bed every day and go to work in order to be able to live in their lifestyle as is.

    I’m gonna be honest with you. I would go ahead and get the vaccine, right? I would not put myself into financial straits over this. It’s my personal opinion. If you are fortunate enough to have financial stability and/or you can go to another job because your job is somewhat mobile, I would use that as an option.

    BUCK: Clay, can I just jump in —

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: — to say that youmight have to get the vax at the next job right?

    CLAY: That’s the challenge.

    BUCK: They’re gonna keep chasing you so while I hear exactly what you’re saying, Sharon, I think that you gotta do what’s best for you, and you can be the only real judge of that. But I think take care of yourself and your family, and only you can really know what that means. I’m sorry you’re put in this position, and this is why the tyrants all across the country are finding ways to force needles in our arms.

    CLAY: This is one of the most common questions we get, Buck.

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: I get this, I bet, every day from tons of listeners.

    BUCK: I don’t want people that work hard, did the right thing… I don’t want them losing their pensions.

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: I know and I’d like to say, “Oh, what about this, what about that.” It’s not gonna change in New York. Sharon, thank you for sharing your story.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    BUCK: The Pacific Coast, Oregon City. Chris, what’s going on?

    CALLER: Hey, Clay and Buck, thanks for taking my call. I got something I want to relate to you. I’m a veteran. I was in Vietnam. And I have a condition caused by Agent Orange. I went in for an appointment, and they told me, “Have you taken your covid test yet?” I said, “No, and the reason why, there are a lot of false positives. I feel great. I do a lot of workouts, martial artist, black belt in three different martial arts, and I feel really good.”

    And they said, “Well, we’re not gonna give you the treatment yet,” and I said, “But, yeah, there’s false positives and if I get a false positive then you’re gonna put me on a list where I have to take the vaccine, right?” And they go, “Yeah,” and I said, “I’m not gonna take the vaccine, I’m not gonna do it ’cause there’s too many anomalies to it.” And then they said, “Well, you’re not gonna get the treatment.”

    BUCK: So they’re denying you treatment if you don’t get the vaccine.

    CALLER: Yes.

    BUCK: Chris, thanks for calling in. Clay, I just had someone today call me from a pediatrician’s office they sent out something if you’re not vaccinated the pediatrician will not see you, you can only get tell he visits. That’s not now… By the way, had the virus? Have antibodies? They don’t care, vaccine or else. That’s what we’re all — they’re denying people now access to their normal medical care unless you get the vaccine. This is what we’re all heading for. Mary in Danville, Pennsylvania, Mary, what do you got?

    CALLER: Hi. My health care system had me deployed last year. This year, they turned around, sent out a mandate that we have to get vaccinated by October 15th or we no longer have a job. Does not matter if we had covid, doesn’t matter the antibodies. We can fill out a medical or religious exemption that goes to a committee, but we’re not guaranteed to get that. We have pregnant and breast-feeding people that are being denied on the medical exemption.

    CLAY: I just… Thank you for the call, by the way, and I appreciate all the difficult decisions that people are having to make out there. And it’s so frustrating to me, and I know it is to you as well, Buck, that we have eliminated all nuance as it pertains to choices that people are making. We try to be transparent, straightforward. I understand, everybody doesn’t want to talk about the health decisions they have to make. But, man, it is just… This hero-villain dynamic which has been set up with the vaccine doesn’t accurately reflect what’s actually going on out there.

    BUCK: Yeah. I don’t want anyone to get covid. You don’t want anyone to get covid. We don’t want anyone to be sick. We want all of our fellow Americans, our fellow human beings to be happy and healthy and fine. These are very complicated decisions that are being made for us, unfortunately, in so many cases.

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    Supreme Court Strikes Down Biden’s Eviction Ban

    27 Aug 2021

    CLAY: We talked as we finished off the last segment about the state of Florida case surrounding Ron DeSantis and whether or not he has the executive authority as governor to allow parents to make choices inside of schools as opposed to individual school districts enforcing a mask mandate. That is a legal case that we will continue to follow as it moves its way through Florida courts and potentially beyond.

    But, in the meantime, there was a big decision that came down last night from the Supreme Court involving Joe Biden’s attempt to put in place an eviction moratorium by an executive order as opposed to via congressional authority. And, Buck Sexton, the Supreme Court finally slapped that down pretty aggressively 6-3, said it was outside the scope of the president’s authority, adding yet another defeat to an incredibly weak first eight months in office for Joe Biden.

    The reason why this had to go all the way back to the Supreme Court was because Brett Kavanaugh didn’t strike down this decision beforehand and Biden himself, Buck, even said, “Hey, I think this is unconstitutional, but I’m going to sign it anyway.” And, thankfully, the Supreme Court has stepped in now and struck this down by a 6-3 margin.

    BUCK: Can we just step in and focus on for one second — and, Clay, very well laid out and so I feel like we know the issues at play here and the structure of what exactly happened. Notice that the Biden, the Democrat progressive impulse is, “Even if it’s unconstitutional, let’s just do it, man!”

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: “Let’s just see what we can get away with. Let’s see if maybe activist judges will bail us out. Let’s see if we can do this for as long as we want.” Remember, there’s always a process involved. So you can actually get your way often for a period of time because conservative constitutionalist judges tend to be less quick to pull a universal injunction, less quick to say, “Oh, I’m one federal judge and I’m gonna override all federal policy,” right?

    On the left, because they’re activists sitting in judge’s robes on the bench, they’ll do these kinds of things and not think twice about it. This is what we’re up against now when it comes to all aspects of covid. They will do the things they want to do even when they don’t have the actual authority, but they will use the power in that way. And unless we have the willingness to use power to defend individual rights where possible — Texas, Florida.

    Unless we actually do that, we are going to get steamrolled on all covid restrictions and mitigation. I get people writing into me; I’m sure you’ve seen the same thing, Clay, in your inbox, “I’m not some big, fat cat landlord. I’m not lighting my cigars with hundred-dollar bills.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: “My retirement is the one property or the two modest properties I own that I get some income from, and I’ve been paying mortgages and tax and utilities for 18 months now.” And they’re saying, “What the heck is going on?” Oh, and of course the government had like a $50 billion whatever it is — I forget the exact numbers, so don’t quote me on that but it’s tens of billions of dollars — for the landlords, Clay, ’cause they realize they’re just stealing money from them. I think they’ve spent less than 5% of it so far. The government’s not even good at giving people back the money that it stole from them to redistribute.

    CLAY: It’s so frustrating, as a small business owner and as, like you, Buck, some of the money that I made as a small business owner — in fact, a lot of it — I rolled into real estate. Because this is probably psychological, but when you own an internet business, there’s some part of you, at least me psychologically, that wanted to have hard, tangible, physical assets. So I am a part-owner of a variety of different buildings all over a variety of different states.

    I’m not sitting around with a billion dollars (chuckles) or $100 million in real estate assets. I’m like you and like a lot of people out there that, when you’re choosing where power is going to lie, to allow people to not pay rent while we still have the obligation to pay the mortgage which is being made based… It’s just a fundamental — and this is a big issue with the Democrat Party in general right now.

    Every single year for the last decade-plus for sure they have become less friendly to the idea of capitalism and less understanding of how business works. And thankfully we at least have the Supreme Court, finally — although I think Kavanaugh blew it in not striking this down back in the summer, which would have prevented this from happening. But we got a president who acknowledges that he’s doing something unconstitutional, does it anyway, and unless we had the Supreme Court three weeks later to step in and slap him back down, we basically don’t have a Constitution.

    BUCK: Democrats like this. This is actually a replay of the Obama playbook. Remember, “I’ve got a pen and a phone.” Why did he talk about his pen and his phone? Because he wanted to go around the United States Congress, the legislative branch once the 2010 — thank you, Tea Party — massive wave came in and he wasn’t gonna be able to get what he wanted anymore through the legislature so he started these different executive orders.

    It was the Obama administration that tried to tell the Senate when it was actually in session. I mean, you look at some of the overreach, some of the clear destruction of the separation of powers because of the authoritarian impulse of Democrats. That was on display with Obama. You see it again with Biden. Here’s the thing: Democrats like it.

    Even when they know it’s wrong, even when they know it’s a constitutional violation, they get joy out of the fact that it’s, “Ha-ha. Our team is winning. We’re going to do it anyway.” So they won’t pay a political price. Now, the courts have struck this down. By the way, the court also struck done earlier this week the remain… Well, they struck down the request for a stay of the lower court decision, right? (laughing) Am I doing okay here, law professor Clay?

    CLAY: Procedurally it gets confused, right?

    BUCK: Right. Yeah. So they struck down the demand for a stay from a lower court basically saying the Remain in Mexico policy for the border goes into place. It is going into place now. They cannot just get rid of it, the Biden administration can’t. But, Clay, there’s no feeling of remorse or even trepidation from Democrats when they do stuff like this.

    They want to force people to comply, and they want to use health policy as a cover for what’s really a Marxist impulse here. Let’s be honest. This is the Democrats pretending to be Robin Hood — steal from the rich, give to the poor — although sometimes the people renting have more assets than the people they’re renting from! So it doesn’t even work out that way.

    CLAY: Well, this is also why I think the ultimate legacy of Donald Trump is going to be so wildly important, right? Because you got Gorsuch, because you got Amy Coney Barrett, and because you got Brett Kavanaugh. Buck, if Donald Trump is not president for the previous four years, make no mistake, the Supreme Court would have upheld the authority of this executive order that Joe Biden just made. This is why you need a backstop that is going to apply the law in an even and honest and transparent fashion. And it is why it is so wildly important that we ended up with those three justices on the Supreme Court.

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    Capitol Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Says He’s a Hero

    27 Aug 2021

    BUCK: Interview last night on NBC News with Lieutenant Michael Byrd, who it’s been rumored on the internet for a while that he was in fact the individual involved here, but he is the Capitol Hill police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt in the neck. Now, Clay and I… You know, I’ve had some background in law enforcement and baseline tactically training; Clay, obviously, is a lawyer.

    We wanted to go through some of this, and really… First of all, they could have tried to make it a more favorable platform for Officer Byrd’s narrative. You’ll hear that yourself. We want to take this piece by piece and address it. For me, the whole thing is outrageous because the politics involved are quite clear in terms of how this has been handled. Let’s start with Michael Byrd saying that he showed tremendous courage in the shooting.

    BYRD: Of course I do! Uhhh, that is a very vital point, and it’s something that, uh, is frightening. I believe I showed the, uhh, utmost courage on January 6, and it’s time for me to do that now.

    BUCK: The utmost courage, Clay. Have you heard any of the officers involved in fatal shootings that got a lot of national attention — and including times when an assailant was reaching for a gun or going for a knife. Have you heard any of them ever say, “Well, I showed tremendous courage in shooting that person”?

    CLAY: No. And if they did, we already have protests, but there would be mass rioting in the streets. I want to hear all these quotes, and I want our audience to hear them all, ’cause I think with everything going on with Afghanistan, reasonably, this story has kind of slid under the radar. But I want to keep playing these quotes, and I just want you, as you listen to these quotes, just think what the reaction would be from Black Lives Matter if a white police officer who shot an unarmed protester had said all of these things, what the reaction would be compared to the comparative crickets in response to this. Let’s just keep playing these clips, because, again, I think a large part of our audience has not heard all of these quotes. And certainly, as you said, Buck, this gentleman had not even been named prior to this interview that he just decided to do.

    BUCK: Here he is discussing that he believed Ashli Babbitt was posing an imminent threat. Remember, this is an unarmed woman still on the other side of the door trying to break in and open a door. He has the gun drawn for quite a while. He has plenty of time. He can see exactly what’s going on. It’s on video. We have video of this encounter. Here is what he says.

    BYRD: I’d been yelling and screaming as loud as I was, “Please stop. Get back. Get back. Stop.” We had our weapons drawn.

    LESTER HOLT: We see arm out there for a considerable amount of time! Were you wavering?

    BYRD: I was taking a tactically stance. You’re ultimately hoping that your commands will be complied with — and, unfortunately, they were not.

    HOLT: What did you think this individual was doing at that — at that moment?

    BYRD: She was posing a threat to the United States House of Representatives!

    BUCK: All right, Lawyer Clay. She’s posing a threat. How was she posing more of a threat than…? We can see in the video there are people all pressed against the door. So under this use-of-force justification that’s very specific, it seems to this circumstance — and, by the way, all morning I’ve been checking in with law enforcement friends of mine —

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: — who are Back the Blue guys, and they say you hit a Capitol Hill police officer in the head with a rock or something, you gotta serve time. They back law enforcement. They say this is something else. Clay, if that’s a use-of-force justification, could this officer have unloaded his whole clip and shot eight people up against that door? They were all posing a threat.

    CLAY: In theory, yes. In theory, that’s the point, Buck. And again, I don’t like when we put ourselves in a position where we have to microanalyze every single police officer in the moment. But I do think that we need to apply consistent standards that are equal to all police officers. We said this for a long time. Look, I am a steadfast believer that we need more police officers, defund the police the dumbest argument that’s been made in the twenty-first century in American political life.

    But every police officer is not perfect. And certainly, I can’t even remember, Buck, hardly ever a police officer come out and basically call himself a hero for shooting an unarmed woman — or man, for that matter. I just can’t remember it ever happening before. And I’m thinking to myself, “What would the response have been in the media if that had ever happened?” I think we have one more clip of this gentleman who fired the shot that killed Ashli Babbitt that we should play where he says basically, Buck, if I’m not mistaken, that he saved countless lives based on his choice.

    BYRD: Well, it’s disheartening. If he was in the room or anywhere and I’m responsible for him, I was prepared to do the same thing for him and his family.

    HOLT: Would you have his back today if you were so assigned?

    BYRD: I sure would, ’cause it’s my job.

    BUCK: All right, Clay, that’s on me. I fired the wrong one there, but that was in response to the question about Donald Trump saying that he’s a murderer.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: Trump said that Lieutenant Byrd’s a murderer but to the one you brought up he did say he saved countless lives.

    BYRD: According to law, it does not. I know based on my training and my policy what I did was appropriate.

    HOLT: Have you continued to question your actions that day?

    BYRD: I knew that day I followed my training, and I spent countless years preparing for such a moment. You ultimately hope that moment never occurs, but you prepare as best you can. I know that day I saved countless lives.

    BUCK: How could he have saved countless lives? Let’s unpack this, Clay.

    CLAY: That’s the dumbest and most ridiculous statement that he made in the entire interview to me.

    BUCK: There are hundreds of rioters and, as you know, a lot of them were walking around taking selfies.

    CLAY: A lot of them were grandmas with selfie sticks.

    BUCK: They had selfie sticks. Okay. There were some rioters who were violent police and destroyed property. That is a fact. That’s true. Okay. How many of them actually tried to use lethal force and succeeded in doing it against anybody? The answer is zero. They didn’t actually kill anybody so what he’s saying is by shooting Ashli Babbitt in the neck there are rioters in the other parts of the facility, there are rioters swarming other parts of the Capitol complex, he saved countless lives? Really? How does that make any sense?

    CLAY: It’s a total lie. And what I would say is just picture… This is what I want everybody out there listening to us to picture. Pretend that a police officer shoots a protester during Black Lives Matter. And let’s make it a white police officer who shoots a young, unarmed black person. What would the reaction be in the media if that police officer did a public interview and claimed that he saved countless lives?

    There would be mass protests in the streets, and the outrage meter would be off the charts. Yet this quote comes out, sit-down interview, and I bet many of our listeners right now, the first and only time they will hear that quote will be from us on this show, Buck. I really think that. I’m not seeing it played anywhere else, hardly.

    BUCK: Clay, there were thousands of officers who were wounded, some quite seriously over the course of the BLM protests —

    CLAY: No doubt. Who were being directly attacked.

    BUCK: — by being physically assaulted by protesters. That is what happened.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: Now, if you’re being punched or kicked or hit with a rock by a protester, that’s pretty clear that you’re under threat. And yet as you and I both know — especially within the dynamic you described — if a BLM protester, particularly a young, black protester —

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: — was shot from 15 feet away for refusing a command which is essentially a anti-trespass command from a law enforcement officer —

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: — there would be buildings burned down and —

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: — you’d CNN standing in front of them —

    CLAY: And, by the way, that officer would a hundred percent be charged with a crime.

    BUCK: — saying, “Well, we don’t really need these be buildings anyway. It’s just property. We’re just burning buildings down because people are upset.”

    CLAY: “Mostly peaceful protest.” And what I am arguing for — and this is me putting my lawyer hat on, Buck — and I know this frustrates a lot of people out there. I still believe in the idea of justice being blind. That’s why Lady Justice, when you look at the sales of justice, is wearing a blindfold because we have to look at all the facts. And when I was trained in lawless is only three things matter in every case: The facts, the facts, the facts.

    The facts are now out entirely about this case. And are we applying the same standards of justice to this Capitol Hill police officer as we would in other circumstances? I think the answer is we are not. And the reason why we’re not is because of politics. And I understand that Ashli Babbitt was not without flaw. Right? I’m not claiming that he was 100% innocent in this scenario.

    But I understand why her family has filed this $10 million wrongful death lawsuit and why they’re looking around and saying, “Wait a minute. If you change the politics in this scenario, our son or daughter protesting for Black Lives Matter would be a martyr and there will be significant charges probably brought against this police officer.”

    But in this situation, that’s not occurring, and I think these are all legitimate and serious and real questions which people in our position should be discussing in an honest fashion with their audience, and I bet, Buck, we are one of the only shows out there that will actually do this anywhere today.

    BUCK: And we will continue to do so.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    BUCK: Brad in South Dakota, what do you got for us?

    CALLER: Hi, Clay and Buck. Love the show. Thanks for taking the call. I’m a retired inner-city cop, spent 21 years in an area near Los Angeles. I’ve been shot at, punched, kicked, scratched, clawed, crashed into. I was deployed to the L.A. riots in 1993. I’d like to offer a little perspective on the Babbitt shooting.

    CLAY: Yes.

    CALLER: Number one, this man is not a hero at all. In my opinion and the opinion of every cop I know, he’s a coward. No manual, no training ever would say in a crowded riot, disorderly situation like that, would you indiscriminately crank a round off into the middle of that crowd without knowing who you’re firing at or what you’re doing. And, by the way, he claims he was there to protect the congresspeople and this and that and the other thing. I got a question, gentlemen — and nobody’s talked about the this. Think about this for a minute. If that guy was really believing that, why crank only one round off? Why not kill every one of those people as they’re climbing through the window?

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: This is what I’ve been saying.

    CALLER: Why only one shot?

    BUCK: Based on… You tell me. You’re actual retired law enforcement. Based on the use-of-force justification here, he could have shot the six people up against that door, killed them, too, right? What am I missing?

    CALLER: You’re not missing anything, Buck. The whole thing is it just disgusts me as a retired cop to hear this guy talk to himself as a hero. That’s despicable no matter what the situation. And second, to hear others calling him a hero. He’s not a hero. He’s a crowd. He panicked and he cranked the round off, and he knew he did wrong. That’s why he only shot one time.

    BUCK: Brad, I really appreciate your important perspective.

    CLAY: Great call.

    BUCK: By the way, I know a bunch of law enforcement experts. People know I spent time at the NYPD. I got a career, now-retired law enforcement officer as an uncle — cop, beat cop. Clay, they’re all saying the same thing. So people say, “Oh, this absolutely is a clear-cut case.” It absolutely is not a clear-cut case, the use of force.

    Let me also say one other thing. I have never, nor has any conservative that I know. They do not celebrate when there’s a lethal use of force.

    CLAY: Amen.

    BUCK: It’s always a tragedy.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: There were people celebrating this guy as if, you know, he shot Osama Bin Laden on social media yesterday. Leftists are psychopaths.

    CLAY: And the fact that he would even claim that he saved countless lives is a hundred percent reputed by what actually happened on that day. hardly anybody’s even discussing this story because of the mess that’s going on in Afghanistan and because of covid.

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    Kamala or Joe? Who’s Worse?

    27 Aug 2021

    CLAY: Would you even feel better if Joe Biden stepped down knowing that Kamala Harris is sitting in the wings? And I’ll answer that question. I’m also curious what Buck thinks about it. But first this, to me, was… It was not a great press conference and speech from Joe Biden at all yesterday afternoon. But this, to me, was the personification of why Joe Biden is in over his head. Listen to this as he prepared to take questions from the media. This is Joe Biden yesterday.

    BIDEN: (haltingly) Ladies and gentlemen, they gave me a list here. The first person I was instructed to call on was Kelly O’Donnell of NBC.

    BUCK: Clay, what the heck is that?

    CLAY: It’s so unbelievably embarrassing that the president of the United States cannot actually pick his own people to call on. And, even if you have a list — which we know he does, because there’s been pictures sometimes that go out virally of a list of people that Joe Biden is gonna call in an order — I just wonder about all of this in terms of his mental faculties.

    Look, you can criticize Donald Trump, and, God knows, he got criticized for everything. But he would stand and take questions sometimes for hours from the media calling on people both favorable and unfavorable to him, and all of his press people came out and said, “We never gave him a list and said, ‘Hey, you’re gonna call on this person first.'”

    BUCK: It was like Gulliver with the Lilliputians trying to hold him down and attack him. Trump, there’d be a frenzy during —

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: — these gaggles and sprays and things they do.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: And Trump would just…Look, it was one of the most magnificent things of his presidency, just one after another, “You, be quiet.” “You, not true,” but he would take it.

    CLAY: Yes. That’s right.

    BUCK: Joe Biden… This is Basement Biden who is now having to walk around and act like he actually knows what the heck is going on.

    CLAY: And what’s happening here, Buck, is they know what the questions are going to be; so they are prepping him for, “Hey, you’re gonna get asked by this person what that question is,” and I wonder on some level. I don’t know where the teleprompter is or whether the media can see it as he is speaking. But I feel like a lot of these questions, they have his answer already typed out for him, and he is reading most of it off of the prompter, too, right?

    BUCK: Whether it’s Biden or any other politician, if you don’t get them off script — if they’re just gonna try to filibuster by reading talking points — you’re never going to find out anything. Just remember. That should be a general principle here. You’ll never learn anything. And, Clay, I just want to know, do you feel better if Kamala Harris is commander-in-chief next week, theatrically?

    CLAY: I don’t.

    BUCK: You do? I don’t know.

    CLAY: You know… (anguished sigh)

    BUCK: I don’t know.

    CLAY: Yeah. It’s such a great question ’cause I spent a lot of time thinking. I feel like Kamala Harris is more mentally there (laughs), but I think she’s going to make worse decisions even than Joe Biden.

    BUCK: Let’s throw it to the audience. Kamala or Joe? You have to pick. You have no choice. I’m curious what they’d say.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    BUCK: David in Davis County, Utah, what have you got?

    CALLER: We’re gonna have to keep Joe until after this Afghan disaster is done. If we don’t, the Taliban and ISISK will gain the ultimate cache: “We removed an American president,” and I think we it would things even worse.

    BUCK: That’s interesting.

    CLAY: It’s an interesting argument, I think, Buck. My thoughts on this would be that we’re not removing Biden because of what happened in Afghanistan. We’re removing him overall for the incompetence at the border, for inflation surging, for the murder rates hitting all-time high. In other words, all of these adding together are what demonstrates Biden’s incompetence. This is just the latest example of that — and, by the way, even before the terror attack, Afghanistan was incompetent. It was just, unfortunately, that additional disaster.

    BUCK: Yeah. Thank you, David, though. Interesting point of view on that. I think he’s right. I mean, that would definitely play into… Look, the only way Biden goes is if he resigns, right? There’s no mechanism, there’s no universe in which the Democrats… By the way, I don’t care. You could find Joe Biden on video doing anything. Doesn’t matter. Democrats are not gonna impeach their guy. So he would have to step down, Clay. He’s not gonna do it. But if he did do it, there is that component of where the Taliban would say, “We even brought an American presidency to its knees,” which they’re kind of doing anyway.

    CLAY: Well, I think also the other angle is, I’m not sure Democrats want Kamala in office, right?

    BUCK: Nooo.

    CLAY: Because she’s so much less popular than Biden. That was the big theory coming into the election was that if Biden won, he would resign and he would allow Kamala to run as the incumbent in 2024, and I think there was a fear that she would be a stronger incumbent certainly than he would. Because let’s be honest. I would put the chances that Joe Biden is able to run in 2024 at zero right now.

    BUCK: Wow.

    CLAY: I don’t see it. Zero!

    BUCK: Look you! Bold!

    CLAY: I don’t see any way based on his press conferences availability and the decline I think we’re seeing on a week to week and month-to-month basis in his mental and physical faculties, I don’t think there’s any way. And, Buck, look., this is the sad thing about using the campaign from the basement. I think that there’s no way Joe Biden wins if he has to go on the road and campaign —

    BUCK: Right.

    CLAY: — because I think his frailty would have been so much more noticeable.

    BUCK: He was unique to the situation of lockdown year and covid, a guy everyone knew, and say, “Oh, it will all be normal. He’s good old Joe,” and he hid in the basement. But this is a little bit like in Ghostbusters where they say, “Choose the form of the Destructor;” then you get the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: Well, we choose the form of the Destructor in either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris here. Dale in Northampton says he’s rather have… Well, Dale, you tell us. Fire away, Bud.

    CALLER: I say Kamala can’t do anything worse than this guy has done. He’s proven to be a total failure. She might laugh a lot, but I don’t think she’d laugh about American citizens dying or the Afghans dying.

    BUCK: Dale’s going a vote for Kamala. Let’s see. We got Lonnie in Beaumont, Texas. Lonnie, who you got?

    CALLER: Well, I hate to say this, but Hillary Clinton!

    BUCK: Wow!

    CLAY: This is an interesting question. If we made people vote, I actually think Hillary is wildly more of a effective leader than either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris would be. Right? If you had to pick one of those three. You can toss in Nancy Pelosi as well.

    BUCK: I can’t believe this.

    CLAY: You agree with me, right?

    BUCK: Wow. This is really rough. This is rough, man.

    CLAY: — if you had to pick somebody to respond to this?

    BUCK: This is like do I want to cut off my toe or my finger, Clay?

    CLAY: I know. It’s a tough call.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    BUCK: But, Will, in Agora Hills, California. Will, what do you got?

    CALLER: Well, I’ll tell you, I think that as badly as Biden needs to go, they’re not going to replace him because Kamala Harris is just as bad as he is. But if Biden gets taken out, it will validate everything that was said about him and against him during the election process — his feebleness, his inability to make good decisions — and I think that it will be a huge blow against them, even bigger in the election process coming up in 2022.

    CLAY: We talked about this, Buck. You asked the question if you had to pick between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. You asked me this question, and I threw it out on Twitter. Over 20,000 of you voted in the first hour. “If you had to pick right now Biden or Kamala Harris, who would you want to be president?” ‘Cause a lot of people are demanding Joe Biden resign in the wake of the Afghanistan ridiculousness. Seventy-four percent of people in the poll here voted Biden; 26% Kamala.

    BUCK: I mean, Kamala is deeply unpopular, Clay, in a way that’s a fascinating political study, because she’s even… It’s one thing when there’s someone who’s very polarizing, right?

    CLAY: Right.

    BUCK: Donald Trump had 97-99% or whatever it was of Republican support. Obviously crazy libs despise the guy. With Kamala, I mean, Republicans do not like her as a politician, clearly. But even Democrats don’t like her as a politician! (chuckling) So what does that tell you? It’s amazing that she’s the vice president of the United States.

    CLAY: And that she is, I think, gonna have to be the nominee in 2024 because it will be racist and sexist of the Democratic Party if they don’t take her, ’cause I don’t think there’s any way Biden can Weekend at Bernie’s 2 his way across the finish line again. There’s no way they’re gonna be able to drag him. They’re gonna have to take Kamala or else it’s gonna be racist and sexist by the Democrats’ own standards.

    BUCK: All right, betting man. We’re gonna set a bet right now. Restaurant of my choice in Nashville if I win. Restaurant of your choice in New York City if you win.

    CLAY: I won’t be able to go!

    BUCK: That’s right.

    CLAY: (laughing) I’m not vaxxed.

    BUCK: You might be banned.

    CLAY: I might lose both ways!

    BUCK: Well, I was gonna say, I think Biden has to run again. Clay, I’m with you in the deterioration and the absurdity. I don’t think that they care. But are we on for this?

    CLAY: Yeah, we are on.

    BUCK: We got some time to figure it out.

    CLAY: An 82-year-old… I’m not sure Biden finishes his term, but I certainly don’t think they can drag him across the finish line at 82.

    BUCK: We’ll see.

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