Buck on Fox News Primetime with Tammy Bruce

30 Aug 2021

Buck talked with Tammy Bruce about Biden’s botched Afghanistan pullout.

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Clay and Buck Honor Our 13 Fallen Service Members

30 Aug 2021

(Taps playing)

BUCK: Sgt. Johanny Rosariopichardo, 25, of Lawrence, Massachusetts, assigned to 5th Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Naval support activity, Bahrain. Sgt. Nicole L. Gee, 23, of Sacramento, California, assigned to Combat Logistics Battalion 24th, 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. Staff Sgt. Darin Hoover, 31 of Salt Lake City, Utah. Cpl. Hunter Lopez, 22, of Indio, California, a rifleman. Cpl. Daegan Page, 23, of Omaha, Nebraska, rifleman. Cpl. Humberto Sanchez, 22, of Logansport, Indiana, rifleman. Lance Cpl. David Espinoza, 20, of Rio Bravo, Texas, rifleman.

CLAY: Lance Cpl. Rylee J. McCollum, 20, of Jackson, Wyoming, a rifleman. Lance Cpl. Dylan Merola, 20, of Rancho Cucamonga, California, a rifleman. Lance Cpl. Kareem Nikoui, 20, of Norco, California. Navy Corpsman, Maxton Soviak, 22, of Berlin Heights, Ohio, assigned to the 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, California. Staff Sgt. Ryan C. Knauss, 23, of Corryton, Tennessee. Knauss was assigned to the 9th PsyOp Battalion, 8th PsyOp Group, Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

(Taps fades)

These are the names of all of the fallen in Afghanistan. Oftentimes, Buck, as you and I both know, the names of people who do things that are not heroic, echo throughout our media ecosystem and receive a massive amount of attention, and we just wanted on this show to give all of those who gave their lives for our country the attention and the respect and the commendation that they deserve.

And also, Lance Cpl. Jared M. Schmitz, 20, of St. Charles, Missouri. All 13 of those individuals deserve our utmost respect, commendation, not just for themselves but for their families — and, Buck, what stands out to me as we ran through all of those names, just how young all of these guys and girls are.

BUCK: Young. Yeah. These are the best of us, these individuals. And they stood at the fence line. They stood outside the wire, and they were protecting our people and they were protecting those the United States had entrusted with their security and those to whom we had a sacred obligation. And they paid the ultimate price. It’s just a reminder for all of us, Clay, we talk about the politics, we talk about the administration, and we criticize them.

But we don’t just do so because we’re trying to score points or because this is Democrat team or Republican team. The decisions that are made by the commander-in-chief really matter. The lack of planning here and the disaster of the Kabul pullout has mattered. The entirety of the Afghan war and the inability of people at senior command level from the military all the way up to White House has cost lives. Lives of heroes like the ones that we just read off on this list. Those are the stakes underway right now and have been for years.

CLAY: And not just for them but for their families. So many of these guys were young. Several of them had, I saw, either young kids themselves or kids on the way. Our heart breaks for you, and we thank you for everything that you have done for us.

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Biden Instructed Not to Answer Afghanistan Questions

30 Aug 2021

CLAY: You may remember the last time Joe Biden was in the White House addressing everything Afghanistan. He finished his speech, went to a sheet of paper, and said he had been told to call on a particular person. Here is that cut from last week.

BIDEN: Ladies and gentlemen, they gave me a list here. The first person I was instructed to call on was (pause) Kelly O’Donnell of NBC.

CLAY: That is last week. Who is this person giving him a list and telling him who to call on? You’re the president of the United States. And then yesterday talking about the hurricane, Biden was told one more time, they told him not to take questions. Listen to this.

BIDEN: I’m not — I’m not supposed to take any questions but go ahead.

REPORTER: Mr. President, on Afghanistan —

BIDEN: I’m not going to answer Afghanistan now. Okay.

REPORTER: — can you say if there’s still an acute risk?

BIDEN: Thank you.

CLAY: Buck, what is going on here? Who’s telling him not to take questions? (laughing) You’re the president, you should be able to decide whether you want to talk to the media or not.

BUCK: You feel like he’s about to run into the basement at any moment, because remember, that was the safe space during the actual campaign for the 2020 election. Joe Biden got to hide out from the press. We all knew that this was a guy that Democrat voters had rejected resoundingly many times over, and so now all of a sudden — in the pandemic year — he becomes an option of normalcy.

“Oh, he’s been around so long.” But they never stopped to think whether they should do this, meaning elevate Joe Biden to be the president. It was, “Could they?” Could they get it past enough of the American people with all the election law changes and all the shenanigans, which we can talk about another time. But, Clay, I think right now you’re seeing the so-called 3 a.m. phone call with Joe Biden.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Remember, it’s always, “Oh, who do you want to answer the phone when the United States is under attack or when there’s a moment where the chain of command from a national security perspective really matters?” And with Joe Biden, you say not only are you worried about what his decision’s going to be, you worry if he’s going to be able to pick up the phone and mumble something coherent or not. It’s just the guy’s not up for it. We all know it, and we’re suffering as a country because of it.

CLAY: I think we just need to know who is actually directing the Biden White House. Is it his chief of staff? Is it Ron Klain, who is basically the default president of the United States right now? Certainly, it’s not Kamala Harris, because I don’t think anybody trusts her or her entire regime right now. So who is making these decisions? Who’s telling Biden, “Hey, you can’t take questions”?

“Hey, here’s the list of the order in which you’re supposed to call on people,” because, I mean, really, think about that. Some people say, “Why is that a big deal?” I think it’s a pretty monstrous deal that you, as the president of the United States, aren’t capable of standing at a rostrum and pointing to someone and on-the-fly responding. What’s happening, I believe — you can tell me if you disagree, Buck.

I think what’s happening is the press secretary, whoever that is — could be Jen Psaki, could be other people — are talking to the media. They’re saying, “Okay, it’s your turn to go first. What are you going to ask him?” They are then letting him know, in addition to who he’s calling on, what the questions are likely to be. Look, I’m not saying that…

In the same way that a debate is not a perfect approximation of what kind of president you would be… You can be a great debater and an awful president. You can be not that great on your feet, and really good when you have time to decide things. But, Buck, it is a sign of mental in… I don’t know if incompetence is the right word, but certainly decline.

BUCK: Capacity. It’s a capacity issue.

CLAY: Capacity.

BUCK: It’s a capability issue.

CLAY: He clearly has a mental capacity issue, which (chuckles) is terrifying, should be terrifying to anyone out there who’s an American citizen.

BUCK: Clay, the guy is going to be in his second term if he runs deep into his 80s.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And this is to be the president of the United States. This is not to run a local run business or something. I know there are people who are… We had this discussion. I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: People who are deep in their eighties, they can do more pushups than you and me combined and they’re great and they’re with it. Joe Biden is not that, right? This is one of the problems —

CLAY: Yeah, Warren Buffett good at running Berkshire Hathaway, right?

BUCK: — is on a regular basis, he’s showing us that he’s not in a place where he can manage these things. He doesn’t have the energy. And when you’re talking about these moments that you’re highlighting for all of us where he’s saying, “I’m not supposed to do this. I’m not supposed to take questions.” Is he not smart enough to know how that sounds to the American people in a moment of crisis?

We have 300 — according to the Pentagon’s estimates, which I’m talking to people who are arranging some of these he vac operations. They say 300 Americans is still a substantially low number, that it’s more than that, but they believe there are 300 in and around Kabul. We’ve got the deadline looming tomorrow. We have no real sense —

CLAY: Questionable, let’s be honest, decisions about what’s exactly going on with these drone strikes, which are important decisions to be made. And it’s not clear exactly what happened there. What are you hearing about the drone strikes?

BUCK: Well, here’s the big question that all of us from the intel side — and it’s amazing to see how many people, Clay, who are retired intel community, ex-CIA, ex-DIA, ex-special operations, Delta Force, you name it — all these people who were in government service in some capacity and are now rallied, and are just using their contacts with people that they know and people from within the community, people in country to try to get Afghans out.

There’s a tremendous amount of behind-the-scenes effort and communication going on to that end. First and foremost, to get out our Americans, but also to get out Afghan allies, the SIV holders, interpreters. And the question that’s come up among them is, “So we are to believe…?” And I could pose this to everyone listening right now. “We are to believe that somehow the Biden administration and the sources that inform it on the national security side, didn’t know that the Afghan — couldn’t foresee that the Afghan — national security forces were going to collapse in days?”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Never mind months, in days! But were able to find and have a drone strike, send a Reaper drone into eastern Afghanistan to take out a few bad guys that they have, as of yet, not named.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Which a lot of people are pointing to and saying, “You take out senior leadership, you say who they are,” right? You get the bad guy in the Old West; you want to know who is on the poster. You don’t just say, “Oh, we got a bandit,” and they’re not telling us. They haven’t told us yet. But, Clay, we’re supposed to believe that they could find them that quickly, that the intel that we have is that precise and good?

CLAY: No.

BUCK: Hard to buy that. Not impossible, but hard to believe.

CLAY: Here’s what happened. Taliban had two guys that they wanted to get whacked, and the Taliban… Here’s what I think happened. The Taliban went to our intelligence forces and they said, “Hey, these are bad dudes. They were involved in ISIS-K in this attack. Here is their information. Here is where they are,” and gave these guys head-on-a-platter to us. We went ahead and did the strike.

But I think there’s uncertainty as to exactly how involved those guys are, and so I think we just ended up doing the bidding of the Taliban who they gave us these two guys. This is my theory, because I’m with you. I don’t buy that our intelligence apparatus — which has been unable to basically predict anything — is suddenly able, this quickly, to figure out exactly who was behind this attack and you wipe them out.

BUCK: Now there was also the strike on what they believe was an SVBIED, a Suicide Vehicle Board Improvised Explosive Device — essentially a big car bomb — which they hit in Kabul on its way to the airport. And, look, that’s a use of force that’s entirely justified. You’ve got to protect the Americans, the service members and Afghans at those gates. There was also… There’s also been reporting that you had a number of civilians.

A family is saying 10 of its members were killed as a result of likely the secondary explosion from that, because the drone strike itself is pretty precise. But if you hit a car packed full of explosives, the explosives go, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This isn’t like a nuclear bomb or you have to hit a trigger or else it doesn’t actually detonate the way that you plan it to. So the secondary explosion looks like it killed a number of Afghan civilians, which is very sad. But we’re still in this place, Clay, where over the next 24 hours, two big things: Can we stop the next strike —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — that we know is coming on us, and are we actually going to leave? Are we going to leave? This is a Biden… I appreciate what Lara Logan said last week: “There is no timeline.” She’s right in concept, and it was a fantastic overview she gave of the whole situation on this show. But if the Biden administration says, “We’re going. We’re going,” is that really going to happen? Are we in a place where we might leave Americans on the ground? Are they going to say that some of these Americans don’t want to leave? What is their answer going to be? The next 24 hours is going to be a real test of the whole Biden squad.

CLAY: And also, how much protection — to the extent we’re getting any — are the Taliban going to provide for all of those Americans that are theoretically left behind who reportedly we’ve given the names of to all the Taliban out there. So they are now aware of exactly who these Americans are. And, Buck, other big question here:

Once we leave, presuming that we do, are we going to get any sort of consequential punishment or action taken based on the futility of this disastrous departure? Or are people going to pretend as soon as we leave the country as if this didn’t happen and this story, they try to have it disappear almost overnight? That’s the other big question that I think is out there.

BUCK: Oh, I want to get back to how they’re going to spin this. They’re going to spin this, and it’s going to be dizzying for people who live in reality. The Biden team is going to have a whole narrative of what’s going on here that’s different from what we’re all observing.

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Fauci: Force Children to Get the Shot

30 Aug 2021

BUCK: Just some data that I think that would be of interest, and you won’t hear it or see it many places. Right now, you have big increases in cases, and the CDC has even called out the states of Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington. Kentucky is also on this list. But of course, that’s a red state. But they’ve called out a number of blue states. And you won’t see much media coverage of this, because the narrative has to be that it’s those big, bad red states that are causing all the covid.

Well, no. It turns out Hawaii — which has been extreme in its approach to covid for a long time in terms of mitigation measures, outdoor mask mandates. I think it was one of the very first places to put an outdoor mandate into place. Oregon now with Governor Kate Brown has outdoor mandates, Clay, which there is no science to support this. Fauci’s too much of a coward to say this.

He’ll say (impression), “Under some circumstances it’s theoretically possible — or maybe even probable — if you eliminate probability.” He’ll say something to justify the idiocy of the Democrats that he ideologically aligns with. But that’s just some background, because this is going to continue on. You’re going to see waves of this hitting around the country. Here you have Fauci. Clay, this is about to be, I think, the big fight now —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — which we’ve been talking about for a while, which is vaccine mandates for your kids.

FAUCI: I believe that mandating vaccines for your schools is a good idea — and remember, Jake, this is not something new. We have mandates in many places in schools, particularly public schools, that if, in fact, you want a child to come in… We’ve done this for decades and decades requiring polio, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis. So this would not be something new requiring vaccinations for children to come to school.

BUCK: There’s so much… I mean, which point of dishonesty, Clay, do you want to eviscerate first?

CLAY: Well, I’ll start this as a parent who has gotten their kids vaccinated for all those things: All of those things are dangerous to children! Like this is a big deal, right?

All those things. Polio really worked a number of kids back in the day. Measles, mumps, rubella, all of those things can kill kids. Listen to the survival rate. If you get covid, Buck, for people ages 0 to 19… I want you to listen to this. The survival rate, if you get covid…

According to a new study that has been done by a couple of top doctors at Stanford, 0 to 19-years-old, your survival rate is 99.9973%. That means covid, statistically, you have to go to the third point after zero, after the decimal, in order to find anything for people under the age of 20 in terms of danger. By the way, covid for 20- to 29-year-olds, Buck, 99.986% survival rate; 30 to 39, 99.969% survival rate; 40 to 49, 99.918% survival rate.

All these young people are under far greater danger of being murdered, of committing suicide, of dying in a car accident, and of the seasonal flu than they are from covid. So the idea that you would use this vaccine, which by the way, Buck, did you see out of Israel? Israel is now saying you’re not fully vaccinated until you get a third shot now. So everybody out there who got the first two, you’re not fully vaccinated.

BUCK: Did you see, there was a Buck Sexton tweet from about three weeks ago, which was: There is no such thing as fully vaccinated.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: There is only vaccinated until the next booster is required.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: So this is the reality we have seen — on the record — coming for weeks, and I’m just trying to get everyone’s mind set in the right place. I understand. This same thing happened in the early days of covid. They said, “Okay. New York will lockdown, New Jersey, California, but Texas isn’t going to have mask mandates!” False. (chuckles) They did have mask mandates, right? That other states aren’t going to go this way, too. Right now, Clay.

You look at what they’re pushing for. Private sector businesses — many of which are dependent upon the federal government and know that the regulations the government brings could crush them federally. The private sector mandates coming your way, local mandates from cities coming your way — and now, if they can get away with it, schools.

That’s where they’re really gonna force it, because once they get everybody to make the decision or be forced into the decision — do you send your kid to school or do you get them the shot? — then they feel like they’re going to get essentially mass compliance. And you know, what’s going on in Nashville? Are there masks in the schools there or not? Even in a red state.

CLAY: So it’s interesting. They have now mandated masks for kids older than 11 now in my location. But anybody who wants to get an exemption can fill out a one-page sheet and they sign it, the principals do. So nobody’s wearing masks, right? And the governor maintains, still, that every kid — every parent gets to make the choice for their kid. But I don’t think there’s any doubt that they are going to continue to try to strangle away all freedom as it pertains to this issue.

And, again, remember, 5 to 11-year-olds or kids under 11 are not eligible — under 12, I think, right now — are not eligible for the vaccine anywhere. And the idea that you would give a kid a vaccine — which is never ending, Buck. I think this is a good point. The vaccine is never ending, right? Right now, if you have to get a booster every six months forever, at some point, first of all, the vaccine is going to wane if you have to get a vaccine update every six months. But all of this is pure madness and the madness is not going away. I will say it seems like there’s finally starting to be major pushback in England. Did you see the story out of England where people are just over it?

BUCK: How is it possible that in this country, Clay…? Yeah, I saw, England is finally.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Look, I think Europeans — and this hurts me to say this. But I think there are some Europeans that have been more willing to fight —

CLAY: Far more rational.

BUCK: — for individual liberty on this stuff. Remember, for them, some of the lockdowns have been onerous beyond anything we’ve seen here. So that’s also a part of it.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They’ve suffered more from that. But they’ve been willing to take to the streets and get hit with water cannons. You haven’t seen any of that, really, in this country over covid policy. But when people see that, okay, your kids are going to get this shot, the logic of this — and let’s all be very clear — is as follows: Your kids… How many times, Clay, have your kids gotten the MMR shot, right? One time, right? Or maybe it’s a double shot or something.

CLAY: You get a booster at some point —

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: — but it’s not six months after you get it, right?

BUCK: You’re done, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You get it, you get the second, and then you’re done. I haven’t gotten an MMR shot in how many decades right now because I’m getting old. But you look at the situation at what’s going to happen in the schools now; you’re going to have to get every year, your kids — and there’s gonna be variants, and there’s going to be evasive strains, and the vaccine’s not…

They don’t know. Injecting kids with an mRNA vaccine multiple times year in and year out? They’ll say right now, “Oh no, we don’t think you’ll have to do that.” Bull crap. They are lying to do. They do think they’re going to have to do that. The same way that there are people walking around New York City now outside with masks on even though it’s, frankly, insane. They’re still doing it!

CLAY: Before he sat for 30 seconds of silence with the Israeli prime minister; it appears he may have almost fallen asleep. Super weird interaction with Biden and the Israeli prime minister if you haven’t already seen it. But Biden said the boosters will happen sooner and then they tried to walk it back. But when exactly they’re going to require you to get this booster. It’s coming very soon. Way sooner, I think, than anybody expects.

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BUCK: There’s also the possibility, Clay, of a variant. We all know this is where really largely evades… Fauci’s already said this, so this is not some conspiracy theory.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: What are we going to do then?

CLAY: Well, Delta already evades to a large extent.

BUCK: Well, it fades at a minimum.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: But I mean evades… Look at the flu. Do we think we…? If we could have a 95 percent effective vaccine against the flu, I’m sure everybody would want it. We don’t have that ability.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That’s why we are at 50 or 60 percent year in and year out. And that’s assuming they don’t miss it by even more than that. I’m fired up. I want to know what parents are going to do. I’m curious. Can we put it out there?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: 800-282-2882.

CLAY: I’ll tell you what I’m going to do.

BUCK: Yeah?

CLAY: My kids aren’t getting the vaccine. It’s not because I’m anti-vax, ’cause somebody will grab that quote and say, “Clay Travis is anti-vax!” No, my kids got all the vaccines for all the things that are actually dangerous to them. My wife and I have already gotten covid. We haven’t gotten the antibody tests of our kids. I would bet that if we both had it that they probably got it too, and we know natural immunity is a better protector.

BUCK: So homeschool? You would homeschool them?

CLAY: No. I don’t think they will require it in our schools. The governor has said he’s not going to require a covid vaccine.

BUCK: Let’s hope he holds the line on that one.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: ‘Cause I’m worried the federal government will go under DOE funding. The same way that they made all the private airlines be their little enforcers, they want to try to do this with the schools.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: We’re going to take some of your calls here. Buck pointing out that Fauci is arguing for your kids to be mandated on the vaccine in order to go to school. And I just want to keep sharing the actual data here since Buck and I were talking about this during the break. It’s amazing how many people still don’t know this. If your kid is under the age of 20 and gets covid, the survival rate for that is 99.9973%.

And by the way, natural immunity — all of the data that continues to roll out — is far more protective. So in many ways, your kid getting covid and surviving, as 99.9973% of all people under the age of 22, is more protective than getting the vaccine in the first place. We got a lot of people who want to weigh in. Sarah in California, what are your thoughts on this as it pertains to mandatory vaccinations for children?

CALLER: I have four children. All four of them including my husband, myself, have all had covid. They all survived. They did not have any side effects. They have all of their vaccines that were needed, required for schools. This vaccine, I think is a choice. I believe you have your children; you make a choice whether you’re going to vaccinate them or not. You have total control over your children and their medical history, their medical records, their medical decisions. That’s why I’m their parent. I don’t believe it’s the government’s decision as to what should be happening with my children.

BUCK: Sarah, we totally agree with you. I just want to know: If the state of California mandates covid vaccines for children to go to school and says, “It’s just like the MMR vaccines that are mandated,” what are you going to do?

CALLER: Homeschool until I can find private school.

BUCK: Wow. There we go. Not gonna budge on it.

CLAY: I think this is also significant. You’re like me. Your kids all got like measles, mumps, rubella. You’re not antivaccine. Your kids are vaccinated for purposes of those illnesses that could be dangerous to them. You just know your kids have already had covid and you don’t believe that the vaccine is protecting them from any danger?

CALLER: Absolutely. And if I give them a vaccine, this is an mRNA. It’s going to change their biological, physiological body. They’ve already had covid; hey get this vaccine? How much is it actually going to change their natural immunity now.

CLAY: That’s it. Yeah.

CALLER: There’s nobody giving any facts. There’s nobody giving any research on this. I have children that are all athletes. If they get this vaccine — government says: You need to vaccinate these children — this government is not going to take care of my children if they’ve got the water around their lungs or around their heart or any other adverse effects.

Who’s the one that’s going to be taking care of these children for the rest of their lives? Me, the mom, struggling to watch them not be able to play their sports anymore because they physically can’t because they’ve had an adverse effect. These children are minority children to begin with. I’ve adopted all four children. They are mixed children. They are minorities, and they need their sports to get into college. I want these kids to be successful. I’m fighting for my children to be healthy by not giving them the vaccine.

BUCK: Thank you for the call.

CLAY: Sarah, we stand with you on this principle and we thank you for calling in.

BUCK: What’s going on, Clay?

CALLER: Hey, Clay and Buck. First off, you guys are doing a phenomenal job.

BUCK: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: Real quick to the point, I have a fourth grader and a second grader, and we’re already dealing with mask issues. So if they force the mRNA vaccination on our children, we’re going to homeschool. We’ve been talking to some friends that use the Liberty University program. I’m not 100% acclimated to what this is yet, but my wife and I will pull the trigger and take them out of public school and homeschool at home.

BUCK: I can understand it. I think it’s a choice you’re definitely going to have to make in the blue states in the next 90 days, Clay. I see it coming. I don’t know North Carolina will. North Carolina is close.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: It’s a little bit red but barely.

CLAY: It depends on the school district.

BUCK: I don’t know how it’ll go there.

CLAY: Here’s the thing, Buck. I think the point that needs to be hammered home — and we need to keep hammering it because we’re one of the few places that will be honest 100% with our audience. The idea that natural immunity isn’t a monstrous part of our conversation as it pertains to covid is maybe the biggest failure of the discussion in general right now.

BUCK: Yeah. It is an intentional dishonesty because it undermines the very foundations of the Fauciite regime which are based on, “Shut up, peasant! Do what we tell you. Make your kids do what we tell you — or else. We have the answers. Don’t look into this other area where clearly we don’t have the answers because you don’t need any answers because this is natural immunity that comes from dealing with the virus as it is.”

CLAY: The strongest immunity based upon all the data coming out of Israel.

BUCK: One thing I’ve been saying from the very that beginning: When we all look at this, Clay, at the end of the day, we’re going to find out we did all the distancing, all the masking, all the things, and from an epidemiological perspective, the country just basically got the virus —

CLAY: No matter what.

BUCK: — and as many people got the virus as would have if we had just said, “Good luck. Wash your hands. Stay away from people when they are sick.”

CLAY: Slower! Slower, too, probably.

BUCK: Slower and more drawn out —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — and suffer all the consequences of the result. That’s what I think will be the retrospective.

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30 Aug 2021

CLAY: Pick the winner of Georgia-Clemson. Do you have a favorite side? Do you think you could put Clemson in the right state?

BUCK: Uhhhh, I am very confident in Georgia to be victorious in this matchup.

CLAY: Do you know where Clemson is?

BUCK: Yeah, it’s uhhh… It’s, uh, in one of the Carolinas.

CLAY: It is in one of the Carolinas.

BUCK: There we go! South Carolina, yeah! I knew that.

CLAY: You got that. Totally. Clemson, by the way, beautiful place. And that’s the biggest game of the weekend and I’m going to be there. You will be able to see me on the big Fox Network and on Fox News Saturday. We’re doing this tour all over the big games of the South, be it Knoxville on Thursday. And, so, I’m looking forward to you’re going to come to one of the games.

BUCK: Yeah, Clay has very kindly offered to be my expert tour guide for my first college football game. We haven’t solidified it yet, but it’s looking like it will be Ole Miss-Alabama, right?

CLAY: Yeah. Ole Miss at Alabama, which will be Lane Kiffin back to Alabama.

BUCK: If this happens, we need as many folks from the Clay and Buck audience as possible to show up, so I can talk about politics at the game, because I don’t know that much about football.

CLAY: There will be massive, massive crowds. I would bet that there are few places in America where you could put 100,000 people in a stadium and have a high listenership for a sporting event than at Alabama for us, for instance. It’ll be absolutely gargantuan.

BUCK: I know. I’m excited. So, I’ll get to see my people.

CLAY: And you went to the golf tournament this weekend which ended up being wildly entertaining?

BUCK: I went to the BMW Championship outside of Baltimore. I was invited by some friends of mine, and they said, “You really got to come down. You’ve never been to a professional…” So just so everybody understands, I grew up going to Knicks games and Giants games. Those were the two things. So, Giants football, I’ve seen plenty of. I actually went to some Jets games too.

CLAY: You went to the Knicks back in the day when the Knicks were good.

BUCK: Yeah, back in the day when the Knicks were a top two or three contender in the East for a number of years, and made it to the finals against the Houston Rockets. Remember that game with the O.J. car driving? O.J. Simpson was driving the white Bronco and they actually broke away from the game.

CLAY: (laughing) Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.

BUCK: I forget what game it was.

CLAY: That was ’94. It was the finals between the Knicks and the Rockets.

BUCK: Game six, and they break away from the NBA finals to show you O.J. and the white Bronco going like 30 miles per hour down the highway. But anyone, so I used to watch those things, Clay. I have never been into professional golf. And I’ll say this, I know a lot of people listening love golf, too. I’m so certain based upon how much my dad loves golf, that I would love it, that I avoid it because I feel like if I start playing it’s going to consume so much of my life and my time.

CLAY: Suck up your time.

BUCK: I’m not yet done trying to save America. I can’t get into golf. But one thing I wish that I had known, it is hotter than Hades when you go to some of these tournaments and you’re out there standing.

CLAY: You were dressed like you were going to a business event.

BUCK: I mean, I wore a Polo short-sleeved shirt, but I did wear khaki pants, and everybody… Well, the players wear pants, to be fair, which I think is kind of —

CLAY: Well, that is obligated.

BUCK: They have to.

CLAY: They are required to wear them.

BUCK: Right. But everybody was wearing shorts.

CLAY: Are you an anti-shorts guy?

BUCK: (pause) I’m not anti-shorts.

CLAY: I can tell! If you start by saying, “I’m not anti-shorts,” you’re anti-shorts.

BUCK: I’m not anti-shorts I feel like there’s a time and a place. The beach, the pool.

CLAY: And that’s it?

BUCK: Sports, active events, shorts.

CLAY: I wear shorts everywhere I can.

BUCK: I will tell you, there was a story when I worked at the Intelligence Division of the NYPD. Now, I didn’t know this firsthand, but they told me there was a senior guy there, that they were bringing in a civilian contractor doing similar to what I was doing, and he just showed up at One Police Plaza to drop off paperwork. He wasn’t meeting with anyone, but he walked through the hallways of the main building where the big guys were for the NYPD.

Basically, the guy in charge of the Intel Division saw him and said, “Pull his offer,” did not like that he showed up in shorts. So, some people, they get very… They think shorts for business meetings of any kind, unacceptable. Clay Travis, just so you all know, does the biggest radio show in America in not just shorts, but flip-flops, as well. So, he is clearly Team Shorts.

CLAY: Oh, yeah. I am ultimate comfort guy. T-shirts, shorts, flip-flops. I mean, my thing would be if you don’t have to wear pants or shoes, why would you wear pants or shoes? Now, if I were… My job, like when I practiced law — this is actually ridiculous.

BUCK: You practiced law in the Caribbean!

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You must have been wearing a Hawaiian shirt and working on your tan.

CLAY: This is tied into this. You were talking about showing up. So, I would drive. I had a Jeep Wrangler. I would drive my Jeep Wrangler into my law office in the Caribbean, and I would wear khaki pants and a button down. You have a jacket in your office in case you have to go to court, a suit and tie if you have to put it on, whatever. But you wear khaki pants. You could put on a jacket and a tie easily. I would drive my jeep in flip-flops, and so I would leave my shoes in the office underneath the desk and I would walk into the office in flip-flops.

BUCK: I need to know something, Clay. We’re going go deep into the archives on this one. When Clay Travis Caribbean Lawyer was in effect, was there a puka shell necklace ever around your neck and did you have frosted tips? Be honest!

CLAY: I didn’t ever —

BUCK: You are under oath, sir.

CLAY: No. I did have a… So, the necklace, the shell necklace, the trend had already died. I had a shell necklace in college and also in high school.

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: But that trend was dead.

BUCK: (laughing) You were Shell Necklace Guy! I love it! I love it!

CLAY: I’ve never dyed my hair. Never dyed my hair at all. But I got… One of the partners at the firm said, “Hey, you can’t show up in flip-flops at the law firm,” and I had to start wearing shoes in, because she thought — and I was coming in, parking underneath, and coming in the back door to come into my office early in the morning. I mean, not that I was there at 4 a.m. or anything, but it was before work. I was getting there before lawyer hours. I was getting there before 9. So, I had to start wearing shoes. So, that happened to me, but I wore pants for the law firm. Yeah.

BUCK: Shorts? Then you get into the whole, “Are we talking khaki shorts that are fitted or are we talking cargo shorts?” People get really animated about how they think cargo shorts are a ’90s fashion trend as well that should have died back in the ’90s. However, those pockets come in handy sometimes. I mean, there’s a lot of cargo room in the cargo shorts when you think about it.

CLAY: Do you work out in the gym in pants?

BUCK: Come on. What kind of question is that?

CLAY: I thought maybe like track pants or something? There are some people that are really anti-, anti-shorts.

BUCK: Noooo. If you’re going to run on the treadmill, no one really runs on the treadmill in pants. That’s crazy. Occasionally, you’ll see people wearing sweats, but they’re doing it purposely, right, like Rocky-style to get more sweat, a higher body temperature. We should actually take real calls from real folks about important things going on across America.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But I’m wondering if we’re going to go in the archives, Clay. If there is a puka shell necklace photo with Clay.

CLAY: You’ve seen my high school class senior photo before, right?

BUCK: No!

CLAY: Have you ever seen that?

BUCK: No.

CLAY: Oh, it is epic, one of the greatest senior photos ever.

BUCK: ClayAndBuck.com is, I think, where we have to put this high school photo.

CLAY: We need to put Ali on research. It’s on the Internet for sure.

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30 Aug 2021

BUCK: The justice department has hired the first-ever chief diversity officer under this administration, and we should all know that you’re going to see a lot more of this. Wokeness is now a thing that is everywhere. It is in corporations. It is in media. It is in the government apparatus itself. So you have a chief diversity officer who will join the deputy assistant attorney general of human resources to, quote, “Lead and coordinate the departments diversity, equity, inclusive and accessibility in the federal branch.” Clay, I think The Hunt for Red October is probably the best stand-alone movie of the entire Jack Ryan, Tom Clancy series.

CLAY: I like Patriot Games better.

BUCK: Oh my gosh!

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Blasphemy!

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Blasphemy! But that’s all right. All right, we can settle that one another time. I like that you had it all ready though. I would actually —

CLAY: I think Patriot Games is wildly entertaining.

BUCK: I would actually go Clear and Present Danger over Patriot Games. So we’ve got a real fight on our hands here. But here’s what I want to say about the Hunt for Red October. I put Patriot Games as number 3, to be fair. Whatever the Ben Affleck one, the Sum of All Fears was?

CLAY: Defiantly got worse.

BUCK: Not quite Gigli-level bomb, but it was pretty bad. But in The Hunt for Red October, remember Sean Connery has to kill the guy? He kills a guy early on; he kind of hits him in the neck or whatever and that’s the political officer. But this was a real thing in the Soviet Union. They embedded political commissars, individuals who were part of the apparatus of the state control.

CLAY: Spies, essentially.

BUCK: Yeah. They were like the commie hall monitors in every government agency, every office of every government agency, every military unit, even frontline military unit, to make sure everyone only mouthed the allowed and preferred slogans. Clay, this diversity-and-inclusion stuff? This is the left wing commissars infiltrating all over society, including, now, the department of justice.

CLAY: You know how they’re taking over is because anybody who questions whether jobs like these should exist is racist, and then ends up losing their job. Right? This whole diversity and inclusion nonsense. First of all, for anybody out there who wants to question the legitimacy of America, how many…? You’re a big military historian, too, Buck; I am, as well.

How many militaries do you think there have ever been, where moms handed their babies to members of the military in an effort to have those military members save the babies? Which is what we’ve been seeing happen at Kabul airport on a regular basis. All these different Marines holding babies, Afghan refugee babies, trying to get them onto planes.

You have the famous photo, probably going to win a Pulitzer Prize, of the Marine reaching over down over the razor wire on top of the wall to take a baby and pull it back over. Those are images that are virtually impossible for people who want to argue that America’s a horrible, fundamentally racist, awful place. Because can you think…? How often would that have happened in military history that soldiers have been trusted like that by foreign nationals?

BUCK: It happens with the American military.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: We go in and we will protect everyone. Our soldiers, our GIs in World War II, children were safe with them, women were safe with them.

CLAY: Yes. That has almost never has happened historically.

BUCK: People don’t even talk about what the Red Army, what the Soviet Army did in World War Two — that’s a whole different conversation — when they took over the German areas. But I was reading With the Old Breed over the weekend, Clay. We should talk about that. I almost finished it. What a fantastic book, speaking of military history, but we’ll come back and talk about that in a few.

CLAY: Yeah, in the meantime everybody should have the right to express themselves.

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Berenson Banned by Twitter for Telling Truth

30 Aug 2021

CLAY: Our friend, Alex Berenson, has gotten banned by Twitter. And the data that he had been talking about has all been proven to be true. In fact, today, Israel — which is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world — hit a new high for covid infections.

And so, here is why I think this is so significant going forward.

I think social media companies are going to have to be held accountable for not just being platforms, but for making editorial decisions. And they have been labeling people like Alex Berenson’s tweets as inaccurate, even though they have been proven to be scientifically accurate. And, Buck, this is a fascinating angle.

Alex is going to sue these companies now for defamation, arguing that they are claiming that he is telling lies, which goes directly to his ability to report. And you’re going to end up, I think, with a real battle in the scientific community over what is and what is not allowed and permissible to be said about covid, because the wild thing here is, if you wait and just let the data eventually tell a story, what is everybody starting to write?

The New York Times, CNN, the Daily Beast, all these left-wing outlets are now saying, “Hey, there’s major issues coming, because Israeli data is reflecting that the vaccines are not working as we were told they were going to.” There’s no other storyline when we end up with a new high for covid infections as is happening in Israel, which is one of the largest vaccinated countries in the world.

So Alex Berenson is, I think, important here in the context that he has been said to be lying, right? Twitter has been labeling his reports inaccurate, and they’re all actually ending up being accurate, which means I think Twitter may have some liability here.

BUCK: Twitter’s got a lot of money and a lot of lawyers is part of the problem.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: So they’re not going be overly worried about one lawsuit like this. I think it’s more important for all of us just to know that this is what we are up against now. It used to be… There’s been a whole transformation of the communication infrastructure in this country over the last, let’s say, 15 years or so, give or take.

You could go back even five or ten years when social media was really getting going in a meaningful way, right? A lot of people here say, “When did you start using Facebook a lot for news? Not just to see a couple photos of your friends, but it started to become your feed? You know, for folks, maybe 10 years ago, something like that for a lot of them.

And there would be initial reports, early reports of being saying, “I think I’m shadow banned. I think there’s some games being played with the algorithms,” and while these social media companies were becoming larger and more powerful, while they were becoming really — monetarily and influence-wise — the most powerful media companies on earth; I don’t think there’s even an argument to counter that play, they would say, “Oh no we’re a neutral platform. We’re not doing any of this stuff that you think we’re doing behind the scenes.”

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: And then you had a couple of stories, “Hold on. Why is this conservative getting banned? Why is that conservative being suppressed in some way?” And they would say — you remember this — “Oh, it was a mistake.” Somehow it was always conservatives that were getting hit by this, but it was a mistake. What’s happened as a result of, I think, their frenzy against Trump…

Because Trump used social media so effectively, he turned that tool against the apparatus of the Democrat control. There was all of this pressure brought to bear — and I mean it — at the very top of Google, the very top of Twitter and Facebook, “You’ve got to do something. You can’t allow this to happen again!” So they said, “We used to do this with algorithms and shadow banning, fine.

“Now, we’re just going to go all out and we will be a part of the apparatus, of, let’s be honest, mind control that’s really going on here, controlling the national debate and conversation.” And they’re now open, Democrat-left institutions, partisans, operating in that way. That doesn’t mean obviously…You use Twitter; I use Twitter. It’s not that we’re all kicked off —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — because then you would force us to build the other platforms. No. It’s they control it where they have to, when they want to. And they reserve that right. And Alex is an interesting case study because on the data out of Israel, he was on solid ground the entire time. He was proven correct, and they never apologized, Clay, because for them it’s not about being right. It’s about everybody listening to what they tell them.

CLAY: And this is where I think — and this is me, again, putting my lawyer hat on — Twitter has actually said why they banned him. They gave him all these different strikes, and he’s talked about it on this program. And to me what is so utterly interesting about it is if he can go back and prove that all of their checks which led to his banning are not in any way inaccuracies of reporting by him, then it seems to me that Twitter’s entire method of policing content could blow up on itself.

What I’m talking about here in the big picture is, there’s a big difference between being a platform which allows everybody to say everything and editorializing. And what Twitter has been trying to pretend is that they don’t editorialize, that is they don’t pick the stories and maybe issues that they blow up to turn into a big story — and, look, this is also a flaw of the media.

But you got a ton of people sitting around all day checking to see what’s trending on Twitter as if it’s representative of the biggest stories that go on in the country on a day-to-day basis, and it creates this entire feeding frenzy.

And I want to play this from Fauci, if we could, because Fauci has used Twitter to get his message out, and he is in favor of all these ridiculous mandates.

And I think what you’re going to see is the collusion between Facebook and Fauci, and the collusion between Twitter and Fauci, and the collusion between Instagram and Fauci using Fauci as a stand-in for the lockdown government issues. Listen to Cut 19 here as Fauci talks about how he is in favor of all these mandates occurring at the local level that the federal government doesn’t have the authority to do themselves. This is about mind control, and they’re using big tech to coalesce with default state action through local governments and through businesses.

FAUCI: Guy, I’m very much in favor of mandating at the local level. I don’t think we’re going see real federal mandates except for certain agencies of the federal government. I mean, we’ve already seen that with the Veterans’ Administration. But now that we have the full approval, full stamp of approval — at least for the Pfizer vaccine — we are definitely going to see mandating for colleges if you want to attend in person at a college or a university, or places of business that employ large numbers of people.

BUCK: Places of business.

CLAY: This is crazy.

BUCK: This is why it would be so useful, so helpful to have some state or states that would come along and say, “We’re actually not going to allow you to fire people.”

CLAY: That is what you got into, for people out there, when you were talking to Kristi Noem is you want people to be protected in her state from being able to be fired over this.

BUCK: Opt out as a matter of conscience, I would like to see, because otherwise, folks, it’s just the rolling wave here of mandates that will wash over the entire country. Even in a place… Look, I have to check and see what the latest is down in Florida. I mean, DeSantis, he’s been holding the line in so many ways in so many places in a 50/50 state, basically, Democrat/Republican —

CLAY: Yes. Right.

BUCK: — which is a very different phenomenon than what you have in a heavily red state, where you could actually push these things more and be the laboratory. Use federalism to our advantage, be the laboratory for, “We can actually play offense in favor of liberty” instead what we’re going to see is everybody is going to start bending.

You’ll have to make decisions you don’t want to make; you’re gonna suffer. They’re going to to tell your kid he can’t go to school. Okay. It’s easy to say, “Oh, don’t get the shot.” Well, maybe you’re on a D1 scholarship for football. And now if you don’t get the shot, you can’t play. So now you will give up your education because of the state? You’re going to allow the Democrat mandate take that from you?

These are the kind of decisions people are going to have to make, and it’s not going to change any time soon. Remember, we’re heading into the winter season, folks. We have vaccines declining in efficacy. And we have the winter season coming. They’re already talking about boosters. It’s not like we’re going to get into October and they’re going to start to lighten up about this stuff.

No, they’re going go into even more of a panic mode. So we either establish some individual liberty protections against this, or it’s all going to be New York City. I know people say, “Oh, I would just never go to a restaurant or movie theater or send my kid to school or anything” if they lived in New York. How long would you last with that? You start to —

CLAY: And also, the question is how much enforcement are you seeing in New York. Are people actually checking this? I don’t know.

BUCK: It’s about 50/50 in restaurants.

CLAY: When you go to a restaurant?

BUCK: It’s about 50/50 they will check for it. Now, I do know, I’ve heard rumors — a little bit here, a little bit there. I don’t know who. I don’t know where. But I do know there are people that maybe have fakes.

CLAY: Yeah, we talked about this.

BUCK: Who are getting away with the fake thing very easily.

CLAY: But only about half of restaurants, in your experience — or bars — are checking whether or not you have a vaccine?

BUCK: Total coin flip.

CLAY: Yeah?

BUCK: Some come right up to you at the door they want to see your ID and they want to see your vaccine passports. And if you don’t have it, they say, “I’m sorry, you cannot dine here.” That’s where we are. By the way, Clay, that number’s only go up, because the actual enforcement doesn’t start by the City of New York until, I think, middle of September.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: It’s two weeks out. Some places have gotten ahead of it. And of course, the coffee shop on the corner of my block, they have a little book section; I’m not even kidding. The books are White Fragility. Michelle Obama’s biography. You know, just like the liberal cannon all together there.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And they still have a mask mandate and a vaccine mandate, even though it’s not required by the city. So this is what you have in certain places. But I’m telling everybody right now: I know the mandate mentality, and they’re coming.

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Fauci vs. DeSantis

30 Aug 2021

BUCK: Fauci versus DeSantis is one way to look at the lockdowns and the situation of covid in the United States. If you’re looking for two people who symbolize their respective sides here, Fauci at every turn, has been the face and voice of lockdowns, of absurd/pointless mitigation measures, of prognostications that don’t come true and always giving cover to the left wing authoritarian lockdowners. That’s what Fauci’s done.

When schools wanted to be shut down, even though kids were at very low risk, oh, he was perfectly happy to give the teachers unions what they wanted. Somehow, this guy has never upset his own side. Fauci has never upset the MSNBC/CNN-watching, New York Times-subscribing audience. He only annoys those of us who believe in individual liberty and freedom and know that the data does not support many of the things they’ve been pushing for.

Here is how Fauci responded over the weekend to the suggestion that Florida stands in the way of his madness and calls him out. Here’s how Fauci responded.

FAUCI: Whoever is attacking me and attacking just the reflection of the politicization of what should be a purely public health issue, and it’s really unfortunate. You know, they’re attacking personally me, because I’m a visible person. But I’m merely articulating the proper public health practices that are recommended strongly by an organization, and that organization is the CDC. So, they like to pick out a certain person because they could make that person, you know, the personification of political divides, which is so unfortunate, Jake. We should put all of that aside. We have an extraordinary problem that’s killing people in the United States.

BUCK: I don’t know if there’s ever been a bureaucrat who’s more catastrophically wrong and more serially dishonest than this guy. Yeah, Clay, it’s interesting. The CDC? He doesn’t work at the CDC! So, why is he the guy who’s on TV every five minutes explaining the CDC guidance and all the rest of it? This guy’s the absolute worst. You’ve seen it from the beginning; I’ve seen it from the beginning.

CLAY: Yeah, and we should give people some updates. Maybe we need to get into this at the top of the third hour a little bit. We told you that this was likely to happen. Alex Berenson has been banned from Twitter, and that is significant. For those of you who regularly listen to this program, we will continue to have Alex on. But it is anti-science at its most basic level.

Science is about uncertainty and being aggressive in challenging all of the preconceived conceptions of what is the truth in order to get at the essence. Science is about challenging everything all the time, and with covid, scientists have constantly told us all the time: “You can’t say that! You can’t say that covid may have escaped from a Chinese lab. You can’t say that the vaccine might only be strongly effective for around six months.

“You can’t say that young people are virtually without danger from covid. All of those things are true. You can’t question whether schools should be open or closed. You can’t question whether lockdowns make sense! Buck, just right now the data is out. Israel — which is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world — just set a new high all-time for covid infections, covid cases in their country. All right?

Science is about looking at data and searching for why that data is telling you that story. What is clear, it would appear from the Israeli data — and this is part of the reason that Alex Berenson got kicked off of Twitter because he was right about this — is that Covid zero isn’t a reality. The vaccine is not going to wipe covid away. Same story just happening right now. Australia is effectively abandoning their Covid Zero strategy. Australia, island continent. They basically had wiped out covid in that country. Now the Delta variant is there — same thing that happened in New Zealand — and it’s skyrocketing. All of these strategies are failing.

BUCK: And on the point about censorship, it doesn’t even matter if what someone says was correct. It doesn’t matter that in retrospect some of the things that people have been censored for turn out to be true and the censors of social media — the big tech oligarchs — will even admit it.

CLAY: Yes!

BUCK: The point is: You are to comply. The point is: They’re turning a whole country into the airline attendants who will tell you, “You better mask up in between bites or else we’re going to kick you off the gosh darn plane.” Look, this is one of those areas that everyone says, “I will not comply with this or that” and I applaud that sentiment, and I’ve been an unmasked bandit as much as I can be. But they’ll get to the way they force you, and planes are a perfect example. Everyone thinks, “Oh, well, I won’t bend a knee!” You ever flown in the last 18 months, ’cause you’re bending the knee. You’ve wearing a mask, which is idiotic on a plane.

CLAY: It’s nonsensical.

BUCK: We all know it does nothing, and it doesn’t matter to the people in charge because what’s most essential to them is that you do what you’re told. We are reordering American society right now. We are rewiring millions of people’s brains to think that they should operate like lab rats instead of citizens who go through the maze as they are told, or else they get a little electric shock.

This is happening day in and day out, and we have not yet come up with an effective response to this. There are a few places, a few holdouts. But even look at what Ron DeSantis deals with in Florida, Clay. He says masks optional based on parents at the state level. Notice Democrats don’t sit around and wring their hands about, “Ohhhh, we don’t want to abuse our power,” and do some doublespeak so they can bend the knee to corporate interests. Democrats in cities say, “You know what? We’re just going to defy you, and we’re going to have mask mandates for everybody, anyway.” That’s how they’re playing the game while our side sits around and is basically hoping that we don’t have federal vaccine mandates. Let’s see how close we get to it.

CLAY: And this is an interesting question, Buck. Because a lot of people say, “What should we do?” and I’ll give you an example here locally. We had tickets to go to an outdoor concert called the Pilgrimage Feast. It’s great event in the Nashville area. They just sent out notice that you have to provide proof of vaccination, or you have to provide a negative test to go to an outdoor concert.

My wife, immediately upon getting that email, said, ‘Send me a refund.” Right? I think that’s the response from people out there who are like, “What can we do in the marketplace?” If you have a market that is behaving in a way that you don’t think is rational… It’s an outdoor concert. My wife has been vaccinated. But I’ve got covid, a natural immunity — and we talk about this, Buck. I have no desire to go get a vaccine. So, email came, without even asking me anything, she immediately said, “We’re out. There’s no way that we are going to do this.” By the way, Joe Biden looks like he’s about to speak. We’ll see how in the world this goes. He’s at FEMA addressing what’s going on with Hurricane Ida.

BUCK: And of course, he’s got has his mask hanging from ear now.

CLAY: He has his mask on.

BUCK: This is just so stupid, friends. Honestly, I’ve lost so much patience with the mask theatrics and all the rest of it. It’s absolutely absurd.

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30 Aug 2021

BUCK: Accountability for Afghanistan is going to be something we talk a lot about here. You’re going to have people that are trying to say that the Biden administration made the right call and so the circumstances of this do not really change the ultimate choice, right? “The ultimate decision here was the right one, even if it came down through all these disasters on the way.” That’s what they’ll eventually say.

We haven’t even gotten there, yet though, so I’ll put a pin in that for a moment and remind everybody that we are reliant in the next 24 hours on the Taliban, a terrorist entity that once allied directly with Al-Qaeda refuse today give Al-Qaeda over to us after 9/11. That same entity, with Haqqani also very tight. The Haqqani Network is also tied in at a very high level. We are working directly, the U.S. Government, with them to provide security.

And to Clay’s point, from last hour, it is very likely that we perhaps were tipped off by the Taliban about ISIS-K. So who even knows, although that would go into sources and methods that neither Clay nor I have access to at this point. But here’s Blinken, the secretary of state — who I think has looked befuddled at some of the worst moments here in this whole situation — saying that the Taliban promised that they won’t seal off the country.

BLINKEN: First, just, uhh, about 24 hours ago, a very senior Taliban, uhhh, leader spoke on television and on the radio throughout Afghanistan and repeatedly assured the Afghan people that they would be free to travel after, uhh, August 31st. Uh, I’m not saying we should trust the Taliban on — on — on anything. I’m simply reporting what one of their senior leaders said to the Afghan people.

BUCK: Clay, they actually are saying — because they have no choice — that we have to trust the Taliban on some of these things, or, rather, they have no option other than to try to take them at their word for right now. We’re looking at a situation where the Taliban is in charge of the U.S. evacuation at some level. That’s what no one’s really been willing to say. That’s true right now.

CLAY: Not only is that true right now, it’s going to be true for a long time to come, Buck, because even in the absolute best case scenario, we are going to be leaving behind a large group of U.S. citizens. And according to multiple reports that basically the White House has confirmed, we handed over the names of All-American citizens and their location to the Taliban, which is a sign that basically we are desperate for them to not do anything of a negative nature to those people, or to many of the allies that worked with us. And this is going beyond, Buck, negotiating with terrorists.

You remember what the idea is — and you well know, you worked in the CIA — you don’t negotiate with terrorists, because you legitimize terrorist groups by negotiating with them. We’re not even negotiating with the terrorists! We are allowing the terrorists to tell us what we can and cannot do — and, frankly, I’m stunned that this hasn’t been a bigger part of the storyline. Twenty years ago, the Taliban allowed Al-Qaeda to attack us. Twenty years later, after $2 trillion, we are saying, “Hey, Taliban, you tell us what to do and we’ll do it.”

BUCK: Clay, we’re asking them for favors.

CLAY: Yes!

BUCK: Let’s be honest. We’re saying, “Hey, guys, can you do us a solid, Taliban? Can you make sure you let the Americans through?” By the way, I was getting reports over the weekend that there were even some Americans not being let through. The whole thing is a mess. But to give you an idea of how much of a mess this is, here’s PBS’s Jane Ferguson. She was on ABC’s This Week, just giving a sense of what it was really like on the ground during some of the moments here of the evacuation.

FERGUSON: We also saw panicked crowds of the soldiers. When we talk about security at the time, much of the discussion of security was how to keep the soldiers, but also the people safe from the panicked crowds, from stampedes, from the heat. There were people lost to the stampedes and killed there. Right there in the streets. So to say it was chaotic is an understatement. To say that there was a semblance of security checks is a misunderstanding of what was actually happening.

RADDATZ: You heard Tony Blinken say, “Oh, look, it’s just like an embassy.” Not like an embassy.

FERGUSON: Not like an embassy. It’s like a stampede of people trying to be controlled by various armed groups.

BUCK: A complete mess, an abject disaster in terms of the organization and the control — and obviously from a security perspective, too, on the ground, Clay.

CLAY: There’s nothing — and, again, I understand your point of, “Hey, let’s see what happens with the final evacuation before we start making decisions about the way this thing went down.” But here’s what I’m afraid is going to happen, Buck. I think the Biden White House is going to just pretend that this (laughing) story never happened, right? They’re going to try to turn the page. I think a lot of media are going to acquiesce in that request, and they’re going to immediately move back to, “What’s Ron DeSantis doing in covid? ” You pointed out before we came on the air that they’re already trying the drum beat of the insurrection on January 6th all over again.

BUCK: They’re subpoenaing all of Trump’s family’s phone records on January 6th. The Trump’s family! They will be pulling Ivanka and Don, Jr.’s phone records. Congress is actually going do that. Of course, this is just meant to feed that craziness. But that’s the idea.

CLAY: To the point, there may not be any consequences for this failure. The American public, I think, is going to render a verdict next year, which is going to be incredibly damning for the overall Joe Biden White House. But in terms of there being somebody who loses a job? Buck, what’s crazy is, the only person I’ve seen so far that has lost a job in the American military over this situation is the lieutenant colonel who spoke out and said — and I’m sure you saw that video, too — “Hey, the leadership has been a failure. This is all a mess.” Now, he did it in uniform, and I can understand. But the idea that the only guy that would lose his job over Afghanistan is a lieutenant colonel who points out how much of a failure this entire process is, is, frankly, totally unacceptable.

“I have been fighting for 17 years. I am willing to throw it all away to say to my senior leaders, I demand accountability.” – Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller on the failures in Afghanistan that led to American servicemen dying. pic.twitter.com/JPH3nTctrG

— David Hookstead (@dhookstead) August 27, 2021

BUCK: Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller. He was the one who published the video that went viral. He was calling on his superiors for the massive failure underway right now in Afghanistan, specifically from a tactical perspective.

CLAY: Yes!

BUCK: Completely insane decision to abandon Bagram Air Base which we remember General Milley was saying a few years ago, “Eh, Bagram Sh-magram. Who cares!”

CLAY: General Milley all worked up about white rage and white racism, but he can’t protect his people.

BUCK: Oh yeah. Well, it turns out when you’re passing out reading lists with a lot of Robin DiAngelo on it, you don’t have time to think about actual battle plans as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But, yeah, we’re talking about accountability. Lieutenant Colonel Stewart Sheller was relieved of duty and then he resigned. He’s got his whole pension apparently now that is at risk from all this. He’s taking a real stand, and Kevin McCarthy is saying: There’s got to be accountability for the people who actually failed us here.

MCCARTHY: I say, my moment at this time, at this moment, is getting every American out. When we get beyond that point, we’re going to collect all the data, and we have a constitutional responsibility to hold people accountable, and we will take it wherever the facts bring that forward.

BUCK: Constitutional responsibility, absolutely. But, Clay, right now, next 24 hours, I think everyone needs to get ready for what I think is going to be a Biden administration spin cycle, because they are going to withdraw. They’re going to keep going forward with the withdrawal of U.S. troops. And at that point, they’re going to be saying, “We’re still in contact with the Taliban, to let people leave the country.”

And I think I’ve been hearing from folks that they’re worried that this is going to turn into they’re essentially going to have to pay off the Taliban, especially for any Afghans that we want to get out, still. So it turns into a hostage situation they’re going to call it something else, and that’s a massive one, and that’s what we’re facing.

CLAY: It is competence on a generational level, and my concern is: You should learn from incompetence on a generational level. Multi-generational level. Buck, you and I have not been alive for a more disastrous, I would argue, foreign policy individual discrete event like this, the leaving of Afghanistan. And, yet, Biden and his administration are just going to try to play the distraction game.

If you have ever had a kid who is got to go to the doctor and they got to get a shot and you try and draw their attention away from the fact that they’re about to get a shot, because you don’t want them to see what the painful thing that’s about to happen to them? That’s what the Biden administration is going to try to do with Afghanistan in general.

They’re going to try to distract the American public and find something new for everybody to focus on, whether it’s going to be covid, whether it’s going to be constantly obsessing with January 6th. I don’t think there’s going to be any real consequences for the biggest American foreign policy failure since 1975 Saigon.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: Buck, I wanted to hit you with some of the data here, where they finally have been able to figure out exactly how much we left behind, and some of these numbers are absolute madness. Here’s some numbers I’m going to hit you with, Buck. We left over 22,000 Humvees for the Taliban, 8,000 trucks, 169 armored personnel carriers. We left 42,000 pickup trucks and SUVs, in addition to the big trucks that we left behind.

We left 358,000 assault rifles, 64,000 machine guns, 33 Black Hawk helicopters, 33 MI17s, four C-130 transport planes, 23 jets. As you run through all of this, this is unbelievable futility that we would leave behind all of this gear for an organization that is effectively a terror-based organization that has spent 20 years trying to kill as many Americans as possible and we just gave them more material than many countries that are our allies have.

BUCK: Let’s be very clear about what this is. The taxpayer has now effectively — I mean, this is the end result —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — armed, thoroughly, the largest terrorist army in the world.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That’s actually where we are, and we are now hoping, going forward, that this Taliban is going to be so different from the previous Taliban. Remember, we said to the Taliban after 9/11, “Hand over everybody in Al-Qaeda or we’re coming,” and they said, “Nope, not handing over anybody.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So maybe they’ve changed some of their strategic thinking since then since they’ve seen what U.S. power can actually do, in the early stages of this war, the different stages when we had troops that were in actual forward combat roles. But, Clay, you go down that list; you just say, “How can anyone see this an anything other than an utter failure of the entire apparatus of national security analysts, elites and the people at the top of the food chain, so to speak, who are telling us…?”

I have seen it. I was in Afghanistan a decade ago. What people would say then is every 12 months is, “Oh, we figured it out now and we’ll implement it in the next 12 months.” Every 12-months cycle, which coincided with deployments of whoever the theater commander or whoever was the ambassador at the time, whatever it may be, they’d say, “Okay, we’re making progress. We’re making progress.”

And there were some people all along, Clay, who were saying, “The progress is a phantom. It’s not real. We’re propping it all up,” and we see that those voices were drowned out. They didn’t get promoted. They weren’t told that they were put in charge. And the people who did get to make the decisions were so wrong that it’s still unbelievable. You still sit here to say, “How is it even possible?”

CLAY: To put into perspective how much gear we left for the Taliban, I saw a rough approximation of the value, and the suggestion was that per capita, every single American citizen basically handed the Taliban over $250 in taxpayer funds that we have allowed them now to be able to use better than any terrorist organization ever has the utmost technology and equipment that we have created.

We just handed it all off to them, and it may well be used against us in terror attacks in the years ahead. And for anyone out there who’s trying to argue in the Biden administration, “Oh, this wasn’t a panicked withdrawal,” I would say that since we handed over billions and billions of dollars of our best equipment to these guys basically ends the argument on the contrary.

BUCK: Yes. Of course it was a panicked withdraw. Every one of those Black Hawks you cited costs about $6 million! Every one of those helos… I don’t even know what the price tag is on a C-130 but it’s a lot more than that. It’s hard to think about how you could have so many people with such resources on our end so wrong that they end up arming — as I said, we have armed thoroughly what is now — the largest terrorist army in the world. Although will we take them off the terror list the next year or so? That’s a whole other conversation, ’cause I think that’s what they’re gonna try to get going too.

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