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Joe Loses Mazie Hirono, Joy Reid Still Shoveling Propaganda

20 Aug 2021

CLAY: It’s interesting to follow along, Buck, and see who’s got Joe Biden’s back and who doesn’t. A lot of Democrats have been running and hiding, including some members of the Senate. Let’s listen to what Mazie Hirono has to say, cut 1 — she’s running and hiding a little bit — and then we’re gonna play the steadfast warrior still standing behind Joe Biden, Joy Reid, to give you a scope of the far left-wing perspective. But first Mazie Hirono.

HIRONO: I don’t know that it’s realistic, because knowing how the Taliban have acted before has the air power that we sent there, but it is very clear that this is a chaotic situation. Because, see, what we see with our own eyes, I don’t think it needed to be this way.

CLAY: So that’s Mazie Hirono, Buck, who is, to be fair, looking at the analysis, not just lining up behind Joe Biden and saying, “Hey, everything is fine. There’s nothing to worry about.”

BUCK: Hey, when Mazie Hirono can see something, it couldn’t be more obvious because she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so to speak. Mazie Hirono is pretty widely known as the member of the Senate… Now, there are some very surprisingly inept and unimpressive people in the Congress overall.

But Mazie Hirono in the Senate is kind of in a class of her own in terms of just seeming like she doesn’t know what the heck is ever going on. Basically, Clay, when you’re losing Hirono as Biden is on this one, it’s obvious that this is just indefensible. But I say that, and yet I know you’re about to come back at me with, “Oh, Buck, it may be indefensible, but that’s when the true Bidenistas really step up.”

CLAY: I heard this, Buck, and I was like, “My God. This is Iraqi minister of information level propaganda here,” not surprisingly, on MSNBC. Let’s play cut 7. Joy Reid.

BUCK: Whoa, Clay! Clay, let’s play it after.

CLAY: Should we save it?

BUCK: We should save it, I think.

CLAY: It’s such a good tease. That’s right. Let’s save it. Your minds are gonna be blown when we come back on the back half of this hour and you hear Joy Reid, Buck, this is next-level propaganda. I heard it, was like, “This is impressive.”

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: Clay, we wanted to get this in right before the break.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: We realized you need to hear the whole thing. We’re at that point now, Clay, as you know, where even some of the stalwarts — even people at CNN where they know it’s basically DNCNN. It couldn’t be any more clear they’re Democrats and who they’re aligned with and what they want to have as their narrative.

But there comes a point when it’s too embarrassing even for CNN, or at least some of them over there — and even folks at MSNBC — to some degree to carry water for the Biden administration. It’s not they don’t want to keep carrying the water. They’ll just sort of put it aside for a second.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: They’ll say, “Okay, for a day or two I’m gonna put on my ‘asking questions’ hat” so to speak. Jake Tapper did this over the weekend. He’s a total fraud, did this over at CNN. Oh, now he’s really concerned about things. But hasn’t been concerned about the Biden administration ’til about five minutes ago. Here we go. Here is, as we promised, someone who’s breaking with that: MSNBC’s Joy Reid who thinks the Biden White House is doing a good job in Afghanistan.

REID: It’s been remarkable to see daily press conferences and demands for oversight and constant information flowing out of Washington and the press! It sure is dramatically different, frankly, from how the country has approached the January 6th insurrection — which was, to be clear, an attempt by domestic terrorists to take control of our government to try to install Donald Trump as president against the will of the majority of voters, 80 million of them, to be clear. It was literally homegrown terrorists attacking our democracy. Yet to this day, the details remain elusive. Unlike with Afghanistan, there were no daily briefings about what happened on January 6th and why! Republicans have refused to even investigate the root causes of the assault. Some have even lionized the assailants and sided with them.

BUCK: Clay, that is thermonuclear-level crazy from MSNBC. That is next level.

CLAY: It almost makes me… I want Joy Reid on the wall if I’m ever accused of anything. This is Johnnie Cochran, “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit”-level delusion. You know OJ committed those double murders. You know this is the worst foreign policy disaster — surely she’s aware of this — in her life. She’s around our age, I think, Buck, and yet she’s trying to pivot.

By the way, on the same day essentially that the FBI comes out and says, “Hey, it wasn’t actually an insurrection. There was nothing organized about this. This was a lot of grandmas who decided to go into the Capitol and take selfies of themselves. This is not some conspiracy.” The idea that you would compare this… The real insurrection, Buck, is the Taliban inside of the palace.

BUCK: Yes. We’re getting a lesson in real time about what an actual insurrection looks like as we’ve been saying here.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Also, Clay, you know as soon as the debacle in Afghanistan unfolded in a way that was clear to everybody, I said, “Give it a few days. They’re already trying.”

CLAY: They’re trying to pivot.

BUCK: They’re trying to pivot. “Insurrection! That’s what our audience wants. Our audience wants to hear about the insurrection.” That’s, one, a propaganda maneuver. That’s, of course, obvious. But it’s also because the left doesn’t really believe that it has foreign enemies. It has people that the U.S. — the American left believes that there are people that the U.S. — has wronged when it comes to foreign policy.

Sometimes they do bad things, but we have wronged them and so we have to make things better around the world by going to the U.N. and begging forgiveness, you know, the Obama apology tour. It’s the domestic insurrectionists and terrorists that we have to be so worried about. But the problem as you alluded to — and I’ve got piece up right here. This is a Reuters piece: “FBI Finds Scant Evidence U.S. Capitol Attack was Coordinated.”

Here you go. “The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials. Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump…

“‘Ninety to 95% of these are one-off cases,’ said a former senior law enforcement official… ‘Then you have 5%, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.'” Lies, they told us, Clay.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Lies.

CLAY: It’s all a bunch of lies, and they’re still sticking to it — and I think, Buck, if you really dissect what Joy Reid is doing there, this is how separate the left wing in the country is right now. Because look, the border is a sieve. It’s an absolute disaster. Inflation is surging to levels most of us have never seen in our adult lives. The murder race is increasing all over the country at a level we’ve never seen before in the twenty-first century.

You’ve got the budget and the infrastructure, which is kind of getting hidden right here. You’ve got a revolt going on inside of Nancy Pelosi’s party. There are nine Democrats who are moderates who have said, “Hey, we’re not supporting the $3.5 trillion unless the infrastructure bill passes first.” You said it earlier this week — and I think it’s a prescient comment, Buck — this is the worst week that any American president has had, I think going all the way back to 9/11.

In 20 years, I’m not sure we’ve ever had a week like this one, and we’re gonna pivot and talk about this here in a moment, Buck, but look what’s going on with covid. Booster shots. That’s what Joe Biden ran his entire campaign on. “I’m gonna solve covid, and everything’s gonna get back to normal,” and if you look at the numbers…

And we’re gonna talk with Alex Berenson in the third hour, and he’s been very good at telling us where we’re headed. All of this is floating on Joe Biden, and we’re in a situation right now where one terrorist, one Taliban member with a gun can if he came out blow up Joe Biden’s entire presidency if that guy decides to start firing at American citizens.

BUCK: Isn’t it fascinating as well — ’cause we’re talking about what I said with this is the worst week any president has had since 9/11, which I think is true. The Obama ISIS situation, as we talked about, unfolded more in phases so it wasn’t condense. We’re talking about impact on perception during a presidency. This one but, Clay, I just had a take a moment here.

Do you remember when the entire corporate, Democrat-aligned media acted like the booming of Pearl Harbor had occurred again because there was a meeting at Trump Tower where someone showed up and said something and nothing happened and no documents?

CLAY: Oh yeah.

BUCK: Do you remember what was a crisis underneath Trump administration and now we’re comparing it to what we’re seeing here? We’re not even talking about the worst border in at least twenty years.

CLAY: In most of our lives. In the twenty-first century, for sure.

BUCK: Yeah, certainly the twenty-first century, it’s the worst border, the most lawless, the most open — most deaths, by the way, overdose deaths in the last 12 months we’ve ever seen, over 90,000. The vast majority of that is fentanyl and fentanyl that’s coming over the U.S.-Mexico border. So we have all of these things happening. These are real, Clay. We’ve got data. And yet they freaked out the Democrat base with all these Russia stores. They were fables.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They were myths. It was fantasies.

CLAY: Even the Facebook money that was spent, and this is something I know quite a bit about because I ran a digital media company for a long time. We’re talking about pennies — not even pennies on the dollar that were being spent — as if that had impacted the overall result of the election. I just think — and we’re gonna hear from Joe Biden in the next hour a little bit.

I just think whoever is advising him… Buck, I just can’t get out of my head that he is going to address the nation Friday afternoon and then get on an airplane and go back on vacation? Who in the world in the White House is telling Joe Biden, “Hey, hop on a plane and go to Delaware –”

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: “– and kick your feet up at the beach for the weekend”?

BUCK: Yeah, they’re gonna say take the line that, “Oh, but it’s a working vacation” or whatever.

CLAY: Yeah, whatever.

BUCK: “He’s got all the gear, all the comms ”

CLAY: It still is absurd.

BUCK: The optics here do matter at some level, and it doesn’t calm people down when you have Joe Biden looking… Who’s really in command and control right now in this country? That’s a question that a lot of people have because we’ve been saying for how many months now, “There are handlers around this guy who are really making a lot of the calls,” right? Now we’re wondering, “Okay. Joe Biden seems like he’s pretty MIA, so who’s actually making the tough calls?”

CLAY: It’s a great question.

BUCK: General Milley? Secretary of Defense Austin? You start to look around and say, “That doesn’t look any better to me. That situation doesn’t look like it’s improving.” But, Clay, also we gotta bust out some of the covid numbers — the covid numbers that they don’t want to talk about.

CLAY: Oh, of course.
BUCK: I know you got those.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: So we’ll dive into that in a moment, and then we’ve got Joe Biden is gonna trying to explain know trying to explain to everybody how it’s gonna be fine, I guess, at 1 o’clock. Stiff upper lip. “We’ll fight them on the beaches” Joe Biden style.

CLAY: (laughing) Yeah.

BUCK: That’s what he’s gonna say. Getting ready for it.

CLAY: He’s Neville Chamberlain.

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Get to Know C&B: Wedding Toasts

20 Aug 2021

BUCK: I would put this out there for everybody. When you’re giving a toast or a speech, the one thing that I always tell anybody who asks me for advice… We’re two guys who, we do a lot.

CLAY: We talk for a living.

BUCK: We’ve done a lot of radio before this, and we do a lot of talking, right? No one ever says, “Wow, I wish that had been a lot longer.” I’m just saying, if you keep it short with the toasts or with the speech at the wedding, it doesn’t even have to be that good. People go, “Oooh,” and, “There’s just this person respects our time, is not making a us shift in our chairs.”

When you take out the 10 pages of handwritten front-and-back notes that are like (impression), “I met Susie when I was in the ninth grade and she was my best friend and we are together all the time and then I wrote a joke but, oh, wait I read it weirdly, and then I…” This is what happens at these we could see and everyone sits there and it’s so cringe. Keep it short. Keep it sweet. That’s my advice for everybody.

CLAY: That is great advice. The other thing I would say is don’t go too inside basketball. Don’t tell… When you’re doing a toast, you want to be able to connect with the entire room, right? So, telling a story about when you were in tenth grade together, unless it is part of the metaphor of a larger relationship, you’ve gotta be careful there.

The other thing I will say is — and this is fun for anybody who goes to a wedding. Think about it: Every single male toast about how much he likes the girl, if you close your eyes, it could also be part of a restraining order. “He refused to take no for an answer. When she said she didn’t want to date, he showed up outside; he sent flowers for 50 days in a row.”

Close your eyes and think about it, the difference between a successful marriage and something that spirals out of control, it will entertain you a little bit. Just think about it. I’ve been to so many weddings. Close your eyes and think about it.

BUCK: (silence)

CLAY: Was that too dark to go into the weekend?

BUCK: I think you and I have some different friends. (laughing)

CLAY: No, no, no. You just gotta close your eyes and think about it. The girl always wants for the guy to have to work hard, right, to get her to go out on a date, to end up together, and it ends well. But if you close your eyes, it could be totally different. But I’m gonna say this. When you are in Vegas — and I’m about to go play in this poker hand here with all the celebrities — my kids, Buck, are rooting against me in favor of a YouTube impresario.

This guy who’s got like 66 million YouTube scribers — I’m not a YouTube guy; my kids spend all their time there — MrBeast. My only goal in this celebrity poker challenge that I’m playing in in Vegas is to find a way to beat him. That’s the goal.

BUCK: If you lose the deed to your house, Mrs. Travis is gonna be very upset if you lose it to MrBeast.

CLAY: She’s already told me she’s gonna super angry.

BUCK: Very angry.

CLAY: Or Ted Cruz.

BUCK: If you lose it to Cruz, at least it will be, “Well played, Senator.” If you lose the deed to your house in this poker game to MrWhatever, MrBeast, Clay —

CLAY: MrBeast, 66 million.

BUCK: — then you’re gonna need to take a couple days off the show to recoup. So you fight hard, and you fight strong.

CLAY: Indeed. Enjoy the wedding. Congratulations to your brother.

BUCK: Thank you.

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EIB 24/7: Clay & Buck’s Stack of Stuff

20 Aug 2021

  • FOXNews: Biden will ditch D.C. yet again as Afghanistan crisis rages, en route Delaware Friday afternoon
  • New York Post: Kamala Harris tanking in poll as she goes to ground on Afghan withdrawal
  • PJ Media: What’s Wrong With Joe? Biden Calls a Lid on Public Appearances—Indefinitely
  • PJ Media: British Parliament Holds Joe Biden in Contempt for Afghanistan Catastrophe
  • CNSNews: French Special Forces Escorted Citizens, At-Risk Afghans From Embassy to Airport
  • Politico: ‘This is Actually Happening.’ Inside the Biden team’s five-day scramble as Afghanistan collapsed
  • FOXNews: Tucker interviews Lara Logan to discuss Afghanistan, offering her experience in the country to shed light on the current chaos.

  • JustTheNews: Ex-Trump aide lays out Afghan withdrawal plan that Biden scrapped
  • Daily Wire: Biden Admin Continues To Tell Fleeing American Citizens They Must Pay For Evacuation Flight Out Of Afghanistan: Report
  • New York Post: Heartbreaking image shows crying baby handed over to US soldier in Kabul
  • New York Post: Kamala Harris tanking in poll as she goes to ground on Afghan withdrawal
  • Reuters: Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated – sources
  • PJ Media: FBI Raids Home of Couple Accused of January 6 Capitol Trespassing, Aims Gun at Their Child, Father Claims
  • Wall Street Journal: Internal State Department Cable Warned of Kabul Collapse
  • The Oregonian: Oregon again sets COVID-19 record, with 2,971 cases; Gov. Brown warns of ICUs filling up: ‘We are all at risk’
  • KHON: Hawaii mayors weigh more restrictions amid COVID-19 surge
  • New York Times: Those anti-COVID plastic barriers probably don’t help and may make things worse
  • JustTheNews: Census, Fed data on minorities challenge critical race theory narratives of white suppression
  • New York Post: Moving trucks seen outside of Executive Mansion ahead of Cuomo’s exit

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    Biden Implodes in Stephanopoulos Interview

    19 Aug 2021

    CLAY: Let’s start here with what’s going on with this ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos. He was asked, Biden was, whether or not it was a failure. I think it’s clearly a failure. Even CNN is saying so. We’ll play that for you in a sec. But first, here’s Biden saying, “I don’t know. I don’t think it was a failure.”

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But we’ve all seen the pictures. We’ve seen those hundreds of people packed into the C-17. We’ve seen Afghans falling —

    BIDEN: That was four days ago, five days ago!

    STEPHANOPOULOS: What did you think when you first saw those pictures?

    BIDEN: What I thought was (sputters) we have to gain control of this. We have to move this more quickly! We have to move in a way which we can take control of that airport, and we did!

    STEPHANOPOULOS: You don’t think it could have been handled — this exit could have been handled — better in any way, no mistakes?

    BIDEN: No. I — I — I don’t think it could have been handled in a way that (exasperated sputtering) W-w-we’re gonna go back in hindsight and look. But the idea that somehow there’s a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, I don’t know how that happens. I don’t know how that happened!

    CLAY: That is complete and utter delusion. We’ll start here, Buck Sexton. When you hear that… First of all, it wasn’t four or five days ago that guys were falling out of the sky, the awful viral video of Afghan natives who are so desperate to flee the Taliban that they were hanging onto American airplanes, and who knows how long they were hoping to be able to hang on. But you can see them falling from the sky as they are unable to stay held onto the airplane. This is pure delusion, Buck Sexton, from Joe Biden in this interview.

    BUCK: The senile emperor has no clothes. This is what we’re figuring out right now. Everyone is seeing that Joe Biden is what his critics said all along. He was never impressive. He was never someone who you would say, “Wow, this is a guy that we really admire,” and even Democrats knew that, right?

    There was an understanding based on his multiple runs at the presidency in the past, this is not somebody who you’d to want give even more authority to than being a U.S. senator. But that’s what they thought they could pull off in election year, putting Joe Biden forward in a covid year as a return to normalcy.

    This is worse, Clay, than anybody could have imagined because everybody would have assumed at some level… They had to know, for example, you gotta get out the Americans before you start pulling out all your troops. You actually have to take some precautions to get your own people out of this country. And, see, now we’ve finally gotten away from the, “Should we have pulled out or not?”

    CLAY: That’s what he tried to make the conversation about for the first day or two.

    BUCK: And now it’s, “Okay, no, what’s actually happening here?” And, Clay, right now what we’re talking about is a subdivision that is certainly very embarrassing to the United States and very embarrassing… I have so many people who served over there who are just furious.

    Soldiers and airmen and people who did tours of duty in Afghanistan, they’re furious about what’s happening. And here we are looking at it from a political angle. There’s also the “this could get completely messier, worse, more horrific with a moment.” This could turn so very quickly into an even bigger catastrophe.

    And this is where you start to look at the things that people talk about when you’re picking a presidents, when you’re looking at an administration. Are these individuals that you want to be in charge? Are these the people that you can trust to make good decisions?

    Why is it the case that they tell us now…? You had the secretary of defense saying, “Oh, no, we can’t go out and get Americans. They have to make a choice.” Okay. Well, if the Taliban is blocking them — and they clearly are — how is that supposed to work?

    CLAY: Let’s play that cut, because it also continues to demonstrate that failure. This is Secretary Lloyd Austin saying we don’t have the capability to go out and collect large numbers of people. Let’s play cuts 15.

    AUSTIN: No distinction, uh, Bar, between extracting someone in an in extremis condition or — or — or circumstance versus, uh, going out and collecting up large numbers of, uh — of American citizens.

    BARBARA STARR: We don’t have the capability to go out and collect Americans?

    AUSTIN: W-we don’t have the capability to go out and collect up large, uhh, numbers of, uhh (sputtering) of people, Bar.

    BUCK: Why? I’d like to. By the way, there may be and there are people listening who perhaps know a whole lot more about how this kind of evacuation would work. You think about it like you set up convoys, you tell Americans that this is where U.S. military’s gonna be —

    CLAY: That’s a great point.

    BUCK: — and the first time some Taliban checkpoint decides they’re gonna start firing off rounds at you… Now, look, that could create a situation where there is bloodshed very quickly. This is what they’re trying to avoid. I get that. But, Clay, we got thousands and thousands of Americans who are not being allowed to get out of the country. We don’t know what’s happening to them.

    CLAY: They can’t get to the airport. The only place that we seem to control in all of Afghanistan right now — and “control” is in quotation marks, because I don’t think we actually have much control over it — is the airport physical structure. But even that’s not true because let’s listen to this.

    Because Joe Biden is having everybody turn on him, Buck. Everybody in the media who so far had been glowing in their praise — CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the usual suspects — they’re all teeing off on him. This is Clarissa Ward, who you know, CNN’s chief international correspondent. Listen to how penetrating this analysis is of her standing right outside of the airport.

    WARD: The lack of clear information, the rumor mill is in overdrive. There’s hysteria! You have Taliban fighters with whips, with guns. You have U.S. and U.K. soldiers who are not allowing people in! You have mixed messaging coming through about what kind of paperwork you need and how you can get on flight and where you can go.

    I mean, it is just an absolute mess! And we heard President Biden say yesterday in his comments to ABC News that this is not a failure. And I think a lot of people outside that airport — particularly those taking the kinds of extreme actions we’re just talking about — would like to know, “If this isn’t failure, what does failure look like exactly?”

    BUCK: This is actually a worse failure than people who were worried about failures anticipated was possible, Clay. I mean, this is basically the Biden administration being even more stupid, inept, and contemptible than people like me who were the critics —

    CLAY: Than the worst critics could have anticipated.

    BUCK: — could have ever actually thought. I mean, I would have assumed that even if they messed it up, they would have messed it up less badly than what they’ve currently done.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: And that’s why you have people, you point out in the press — and look, credit to Clarissa Ward who I do know from my time a little bit at CNN. She’s out there on the ground wearing an abaya and basically walking around talking to everybody getting information out there. This is not about to get much better and much easier.

    In fact, this could very quickly, the situation at the Kabul airport, could get substantially worse. And you can just see… Clay, I think you have an administration right now that’s just hoping and praying. They’re paralyzed. What’s the plan? The plan is to hope the Taliban lets people come through. That is the plan!

    CLAY: And the hope is that, again, somebody just doesn’t start to mow down people waiting outside of that airport, right? That’s what I’m afraid is going to happen. In this chaotic situation — you know how this works — one guy has an itchy trigger finger. He gets bumped. He feels like he’s under a threat, and that spreads — that chaos — quickly.

    One guy firing can quickly turn into several. And again, to me, Clarissa Ward summed it up pretty well. Give her credit. “If this isn’t failure, what does failure look like, exactly?”

    BUCK: Right.

    CLAY: It is the perfect counterpoint to Joe Biden saying, “I don’t think it was a failure.” She’s directly calling him out with all of the imagery of what’s going on in Afghanistan playing out behind her. And I think the big question we’re gonna have to ask here… We hope that the Americans get out safely, right? We hope that this doesn’t turn into a chaotic and incredibly violent situation. But how long is this gonna go on, Buck?

    BUCK: I mean, at a minimum, you could assume that they’re gonna have to extend… Biden’s already basically said this. They’re supposed to have an August 31 deadline.

    CLAY: They can’t do that now.

    BUCK: Well, you also think about it this way. Why would they…? Think of the leverage the Taliban currently has, right? If you do some mirror imaging of their side of the table here, think of the leverage they currently have over the United States government. We have no ability to protect right now the thousands of Americans who are dispersed in and around Kabul, never mind if there are some who were elsewhere in the country still trying to make their way to Kabul.

    We have no ability right now to go get them or even to protect them. The Taliban’s gonna want to hold this card as long as they can. And all they’re gonna say is, “Oh, we have to process them.” They can play the bureaucratic slow roll game when they’re actual playing the “we’re taking you as a hostage” card.

    You know how in the Middle Ages you’d send a family member ,and they would have somebody and they would say, “Oh…” They would hold them, but they’d say, “Oh, but they’re not really a hostage.” No, they’re a hostage,” right?

    CLAY: Yes. Yes. Right.

    BUCK: By blocking Americans from access to the airport they create a hostage situation without actually having to seize the embassy and put guns to everybody’s head.

    CLAY: And I think also, Buck, what this evidences is, we’re gonna have to be trying to extricate people from Afghanistan, well, past August 31st. But even if everything had gone perfectly, we didn’t have a plan in place to get tens of thousands of American citizens out of Afghanistan by August 31st, right?

    So even if the goal had been perfectly executed, we were gonna be leaving behind tens of thousands of American citizens, and obviously that has been a much bigger disaster than the Biden administration forecast. But even if things had gone perfectly, it would have been a colossal failure.

    BUCK: And, you know, Biden voted to pull funding from South Vietnam in the Senate very early on in his career, which caused that collapse and the Saigon fall in 1975.

    CLAY: It’s Saigon on steroids now. He’s on both sides.

    BUCK: It’s amazing to think that Biden’s been in this game that long. But Biden voted for the collapse of South Vietnam — which lasted, by the way. They fought on for two years.

    CLAY: Right.

    BUCK: Much different situation than we see in Afghanistan. He voted for that. And here we are, you know, 40 years later and 40-plus years later, and he’s the guy that is causing the catastrophe of withdrawal in Afghanistan. It’s stunning, the damage this guy’s done to U.S. foreign policy.

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    Joe Can’t Stop Talking About Clay’s School Board Meeting

    19 Aug 2021

    CLAY: If you followed me on social media, you know that last week we had a major blowup surrounding school boards and whether or not masks were gonna be required in the state of Tennessee in Williamson County in particular where Buck and Ali here came out and had dinner with us on Tuesday.

    BUCK: Very civilized.

    CLAY: You came to the very civilized Williamson County. Well, Joe Biden can’t stop talking about that school board meeting. We played you my one-minute argument about why masks don’t make sense for kids. Biden talked about it last week. He had a… I don’t even think you can call it a press conference ’cause he didn’t answer any questions.

    But he came out and talked about covid yesterday, avoided all questions from the media, and he continued to go after Williamson County — this area just south of Nashville — for the way the parents behaved, and argue in favor of requiring all kids to wear masks. Here is what Biden said yesterday.

    BIDEN: Unfortunately, as we’ve seen throughout this pandemic, some politicians are trying to turn public safety measures — as children wearing masks in school — into political disputes for their own political gain! Some are even trying to take power away from local educators by banning masks in school.

    They’re setting a dangerous tone. For example, last week at a school board meeting in Tennessee protesters threatened doctors and nurses who are testifying making the case for masking children in schools. Intimidation or threats we’ve seen across the country are wrong. They’re unacceptable.

    BUCK: And so much dishonest here, Clay.

    CLAY: So much, Buck.

    BUCK: Let’s start with… I know you were there. So there were, what, two guys that were on video saying something stupid?

    CLAY: Out of about a thousand parents.

    BUCK: But even bigger on the dishonesty scale because the implication — but that’s a classic Democrat technique, right? They’ll go to a rally with a thousand conservatives; they’ll find one person on the edge of the fringe and they’ll say, “Oh, well, this guy who said something crazy represents all of them.”

    CLAY: Represents everybody, yes.

    BUCK: Whereas, BLM can burn down a whole neighborhood and it’s a mostly peaceful protest.

    CLAY: Oh yeah. Mostly peaceful protest. That’s exactly right.

    BUCK: So here’s the other parts of this though. What he says is not even factually true. It’s not even accurate. It’s not that they’re banning masks in a lot of these school districts.

    CLAY: That’s exactly right.

    BUCK: They are saying that parents have the right to choose for kids. They are decidedly authoritarian and anti-choice, and this goes, really, to the heart of Democrat philosophy in contemporary America, which is, they want to control everybody. It’s not enough for them to be able to control their own decisions.

    So what he’s saying about banning masks, is there a place — I don’t even know of one — where a parent who wants to mask up kids can’t do it? There just are now some states that is because of the overanxious, CNN-watching crybabies who think that their kids (who have a one-in-a-million chance of dying) need to get masked up, they don’t get to determine for you, Clay Travis, that your kids in Tennessee have to wear masks. That’s what’s going on.

    CLAY: That’s well said, and I think this is important because we have so many parents out there who are listening to us. The data on masks working doesn’t exist at all and kids aren’t under risk in any way. They’re more likely to die in traffic accidents. They’re more likely to die of the seasonal flu. They’re more likely, your kids are, to be murdered or to commit suicide by orders of magnitude than they are to die with covid.

    Look, I care about my kids like any other parent out there more than anything else in my life. If I thought that they were under danger from not wearing masks, my kids would be masked! But if you have that opinion, your kids can wear masks. This idea that we need mandates, which make no sense, and that Joe Biden’s gonna continue to take shots… This is at thousands of parents, Buck.

    These were reasonable, intelligent, educated parents who’ve looked at the data making the case that every single parent should be able to make their own choice. They’re saying, “Let us choose.” The other side is saying, “No, we are telling you what you have to do.”

    BUCK: And the notion that the only side that is politicizing this is the conservatives!

    CLAY: Oh!

    BUCK: This is completely insane. We’ve got one group of people who are saying, “Putting a mask over your face…” It’s like libs are so brainwashed over this that they can’t all think. You know, I had to wear one when I came out to Williamson.

    CLAY: When you got on in Nashville.

    BUCK: I had to wear one on the car ride out there when I got in an Uber in Nashville, and it’s uncomfortable, it’s annoying, and it makes you agitated all day long, right? This isn’t like a cost-free thing. They act like the only reason, Clay, people don’t want to mask themselves or their kids is because, like, “Donald Trump!” or some stupidity. No. I don’t want to wear a mask because I don’t want to wear a gosh-darn mask!

    CLAY: You gotta be careful not to curse. I’m the same way, Buck. I don’t want to wear a mask for the same reason that I don’t want to wear a motorcycle helmet into the grocery store, because it’s stupid and doesn’t make me safer. It also is really a great encumbrance. People say, “Well, you’re fine wearing a seat belt in a car.” Yeah, but you’re not also telling me that I need to wear a helmet.

    BUCK: It’s about what’s reasonable, and they’re completely unreasonable.

    CLAY: Analyzing risk and being rational.

    BUCK: Yeah, they won’t give up on this stuff.

    CLAY: You and I are gonna be fired up on this.

    BUCK: Well, of course!

    CLAY: We’re going to the airport today.

    BUCK: And we’re gonna have to put on masks.

    CLAY: I get so mad when I get out of a car and have to put a mask on to walk into a freaking airport.

    BUCK: Yeah. They arrested two people in Nashville yesterday!

    CLAY: I saw that. (laughing) I saw that. It wasn’t us.

    BUCK: So, Clay, let’s not get too crazy, okay? We don’t need another photo this week, Clay, the two of us, that’s for sure, after Photogate here in Nashville.

    CLAY: People love the comments! I gotta give credit to everybody out there, the Clay and Buck listeners.

    BUCK: (laughing)

    CLAY: I tweeted out the photo, the worst photo that’s ever been taken of me, I’m guessing, Buck, one of the worst photos of you.

    BUCK: It’s not a great one of me.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: I think we’re both a little more suave than those photos.

    CLAY: I will acknowledge that I am fat and ugly, but I’m not as fat and ugly as I looked in the picture with Tomi Lahren. If you want a good laugh, you can go look at my Twitter account. The comments are pretty fantastic. I thought that I was gonna have to fire, Buck, Dub, who is one of our production staff here for allowing this photo to get out. Like, if I were J. Lo, J. Lo would have fired like 50 people if a photo like that got out.

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: Of course, she’s a lot better looking than us. You’re gonna love this photo if you haven’t seen it.

    BUCK: I was never a J.Lo fan, I gotta tell you.

    CLAY: Oh, I love J.Lo.

    BUCK: Oh, my gosh! Really? Ugh! Good heavens.

    CLAY: She’s 54 years old or whatever, incredibly good-looking.

    BUCK: Good heavens. Overrated. The most overrated pop star/actresses I think of our generation but we don’t have time to get into it.

    CLAY: I’m actually fascinated by who is in contention there.

    BUCK: We have to save people from the madness here.

    CLAY: (laughing)

    BUCK: Clay, ’cause the point about politicizing this, I think, matters because this is what they’re doing now. And the classic Obama tactic for eight years was to always accuse the other side of what you’re doing, right?

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: This is like, you know, when you’re in line with a bunch of people, “Okay? Well, who stole the last, you know, potato chips out of the cupboard or whatever?” And it’s like, “Well, my buddy did,” ’cause then if you’re the one that actually did it, it looks like the blame is off of you.

    They’re saying we are politicizing this. Meanwhile… I think I said this to you. I don’t know if you got a chance to scope it before we came on here together. There’s a New York Times piece now that’s like, “Hey, look, masks are always great for kids and for learning!” They’ve gone from —

    CLAY: Oh, they’re arguing that it’s better for you?

    BUCK: They’ve gone from admitting that this is an annoying hindrance to human connection and comfort day to day, but necessary because the virus is so scary tolerance trying to say, “Well, you make longer eye contact! Well, it teaches you discipline!” Yeah, it also taught you discipline in East Germany when the Stasi had informants in every house and you couldn’t say anything bad about regime. I don’t think that we want here in America.

    CLAY: I will just tell you this: Parents in my neighborhood all asked their kids, “Hey, do you want to wear masks?” No kids were like, “Yeah, we love it,” and for younger kids who learn verbally by seeing their teachers’ mouths move and things like that, it is a massive hindrance for learning in general.

    BUCK: We actually have a little backup, too, here because speaking of the New York Times — and Clay and I, we go deep diving into the lib lunacy so that we can mine it and you don’t have to deal with that nonsense.

    CLAY: We read so you don’t have to.

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    Senator Hagerty Promises to Investigate Biden

    19 Aug 2021

    CLAY: We are joined now by Senator Bill Hagerty of Tennessee. Senator, I appreciate you making the time for us here, and I want to dive right into the situation in Afghanistan. You have spent time as an ambassador overseas before. You are a student of American diplomacy and history. Have you seen anything like what is going on right now since Vietnam, and what should be happening that is not happening in your mind?

    SEN. HAGERTY: Well, Clay, great to be on with you two, and congratulations on the great success of the program.

    CLAY: Thank you. I appreciate that.

    SEN. HAGERTY: I’ve been following you. It’s just wonderful. The situation in Afghanistan was anything but wonderful. And, as you mentioned, I was the U.S. ambassador to Japan. That’s the third largest economy in the world. On any given day, I had a quarter of a million Americans in Japan.

    And it was my responsibility, as the chief of that mission, to have a plan in place that would take care of those Americans were any sort of disaster or situation like this to arise. You can imagine what happened when I arrived in Japan, in North Korea, Kim Jong-un launching intercontinental ballistic missiles over Japan. I completely reworked the plan.

    It took a lot of time and effort to do it. But the situation, the risks had changed, and every person that’s got that sort of responsibility, every ambassador that has responsibility for American lives should be constantly vigilant about saving those lives, protecting those lives, and making sure that you’ve got an orderly plan and process in place.

    That has clearly failed here. And an ambassador is the representative of the president in that nation. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the president. And this president has done everything to deflect, to spin, to avoid responsibility and has created an embarrassment of epic proportions for America. Meanwhile, threatening the lives of tens of thousands of Americans and our allies. It’s just an embarrassment.

    BUCK: Senator Hagerty, Buck here. I just want to know what you can tell us from any contacts your office has with Americans on the ground in terms of what they’re facing. We know they go into Taliban checkpoints, and many are being turned back. How is that supposed to change?

    I mean, is it just the negotiations between Biden administration intermediaries with Taliban leadership? What is the plan here? They keep saying they’re hoping to get 5,000 — the Biden White House is saying 5,000 — Americans a day out. I don’t think anyone believes it’s gonna happen like that unless there’s some kind of major agreement reached. Is that underway, and what do you think the next few days look like?

    SEN. HAGERTY: Well, it was very disturbing to see Secretary Austin’s press conference yesterday when he essentially that said that we’re relying on the goodwill and the diplomatic relationship with the Taliban for this to all work out. I mean, I’ll remind you, the Taliban are a terrorist organization. They’ve been named as such not only by America, but around the world.

    This is an incredibly precarious situation. I hope and pray that they are able to meet the type of numbers that they are talking about now. What we have not seen is confidence in execution on the ground at this point. And I hate to say it. You know, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But we are into pounds and pounds of cure right now.

    And we are working, you know… I know we’re working diligently. I’m talking with administration officials on a regular basis. But we’re also hearing, as you say, from people who are on the ground there. In fact, we were talking yesterday — we’ve got word to my office — three families in safe houses near the airport looking for their opportunity to make a run for it.

    What’s happened is they have basically let Americans know that if they can get themselves to the Karzai airport there in Kabul, then they’ll be taken care of; they’ll be protected. That’s not the way we should be doing this. We should be going and getting the American citizens that are at risk there, protecting them, moving them and flying them outside of the country.

    CLAY: I know we’re still early in the process in some ways, unfortunately, potentially 10,000 or more American citizens still at risk in Afghanistan. But based on what you’ve seen so far, Senator, is this an impeachment-level failure, in your mind, by Joe Biden as an administration?

    SEN. HAGERTY: Well, this is clearly a failure. Is it a high crime or misdemeanor? There’s more to be uncovered here, I’m sure. But I would say this. Right now, we need to be working together and forward looking to make certain that President Biden undertakes his most precious responsibility, and that is keep safe the lives of American citizens.

    So that is gonna be my focus right now. Holding this administration accountable? Absolutely. I have jurisdiction on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and on the Appropriations Committee. We will be digging into this in great depth to find out how an embarrassment of this proportion could have ever happened, how we could have put this many lives at risk, and how there was no planning in place.

    It feels to me, Clay and Buck, that they spent all their time focusing on a press release to the celebrate the fact that to the 20th anniversary of 9/11, they had accomplished the removal of American troops. But they spent no time on the plan. And they certainly didn’t spend time bringing our allies into the equation. And in doing that, they’ve jeopardized the very foundation of our alliance with NATO. They have tarnished our reputation around the world. And we have both allies and foes that are watching this very carefully.

    BUCK: We’re speaking to Senator Bill Hagerty of Tennessee. Senator, it’s Buck again. What would you like the Biden administration…? If you were in the Oval right now with President Biden as commander-in-chief, for better or for worse — we’re seeing, I think, for worse these days — and the secretary of defense, the top decision-makers here, what would as somebody who’s operated diplomatically at the highest level yourself, what would you want to see happen in the next two weeks?

    SEN. HAGERTY: The first thing they need to do is acknowledge it and own it. Quit spinning, quit implicating but engage in a real process of getting this resolved. In my own view, I would put somebody in place responsible for the overall rectification of this situation. I’m talking about someone serious, who’s had on-the-ground experience there, who has diplomatic capability.

    And this is nothing against the two-star general that’s coming in right now to operate the airport; it’s nothing against the career ambassador that they’re sending in from the State Department to oversee civilian operations. But I think you need somebody in with real gravitas and experience who can come in who understands the theater there, who can come in and work with our allies, who work with our own people, and who can see to the orderly execution of a workable plan. That would be my advice.

    CLAY: Senator, pivot a little bit from Afghanistan which obviously is getting a lot of attention. Yesterday Joe Biden addressed the idea of booster shots for the covid vaccinations, and he also for a second time took a shot at parents in tense who are opposing mask mandates. Important here, they’re not saying that no one can wear masks.

    They’re just saying, “Hey, we think parents should be able to make individual decisions.” It’s also now been endorsed by the governor of Tennessee, Bill Lee; many other governors making similar decisions. What do you think of Joe Biden consistently deriding the opinions of parents — I’m one of them — in many different school boards around the Nashville area who are standing up and saying, “The data doesn’t support masks on school children.” Biden keeps taking shots at those parents.

    SEN. HAGERTY: Well, Clay, you’ve been a tremendous voice in this. But it’s just shocking to me that Biden is spending more time waging war on Americans than he is on our adversaries. If you think about the focus of the focus of this administration, we’ve got a massive failure at our border, we’ve got inflation that’s moving through the economy at a pace that’s unbelievable that we haven’t seen it since Jimmy Carter’s era.

    And, you know, they’ve got a crisis in Afghanistan that is just beyond anything we’ve seen since Saigon, Saigon on steroids. Yet this is what he’s spending his time doing: Attacking parents for decisions that they’re gonna make, personal decisions that they need to make for their own children. And it’s just a travesty that he’s doing that —

    BUCK: Senator, do you think maybe the Biden administration…? I mean, this is at the federal level they’re talking about the possibility of using an interpretation, to use a euphemism here, of the Interstate Commerce Clause, to put a federal vaccine mandate in place for interstate travel, for perhaps flights and whatever else they have in mind. Do you think that’s a serious consideration as in the Biden administration might actually try an executive order. They’d go around you in the Senate, right? They’re not gonna will come legislate this, they may just do it at the executive level?

    CLAY: Well, on the flights I think they extended the mask mandate on board flights until the 18th of January now.

    BUCK: Oh, I mean, for vaccines though, yeah.

    SEN. HAGERTY: Oh, you’re talking about vaccines?

    BUCK: Yes.

    SEN. HAGERTY: It’s something that is certainly something I’m sure they are contemplating. But what they need to be focused on right now is addressing this fairly in Afghanistan first and foremost and getting this economy back on track without pumping more and more inflation and more and more stimulus into it (chuckles) and dealing with the border crisis on the southern part of our country that is a national security disaster. Again, the priorities are all wrong here. I think America can see through it, and it may be a diversion on their part to begin, again, to focus on these things that are divisive and that they don’t have the science is to back up.

    CLAY: Last question for you, Senator Hagerty. We appreciate you giving you the time here. In addition to Afghanistan and covid chaos we’ve also got the budget which is working its way through in conjunction with the infrastructure bill. I’m curious, inside of the Senate, what conversations are taking place associated with what they’re saying is a $3.5 trillion budget bill even though it may cost more? Does the situation in Afghanistan cause more trouble for Joe Biden as it pertains to this budget process? What are you picking up in that respect in the Senate right now?

    SEN. HAGERTY: Well, I think this whole situation in Afghanistan has really put a bright light on the lack of competence of this administration and their Democrat allies in the Senate and in the House. I think it’s gonna make everything more difficult, and I think they’re — at this point — looking to use the budget reconciliation process as a means to slam through the Green New Deal rebranded and more and more government dependency.

    And America’s having an opportunity to wake up and see how incompetent this administration is and how poor they are at execution. And I think it’s gonna make it extremely difficult for them to move anything through at this point. I’m not saying they won’t try, but I do believe that this has made their life more difficult on every front right now.

    BUCK: Senator Hagerty from Tennessee, great to have you here with us on the Clay and Buck show. Thanks so much.

    SEN. HAGERTY: Great to be with you both. Thank you.

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    Biden’s Worst Week

    19 Aug 2021

    BUCK: I think Joe Biden’s having… Clay, is this the worst week of his presidency?

    CLAY: (chuckles)

    BUCK: I think that has to be the worst week of his presidency. This may be the worst week of any president’s presidency in 20 years.

    CLAY: I was trying to think. I mean, obviously 9/11 was on a different level.

    BUCK: Right, 9/11.

    CLAY: And since then what week would you point to as somebody having a worse week than this?

    BUCK: Even the rise of ISIS under the Obama administration, because it was —

    CLAY: Gradual.

    BUCK: — fazed, exactly, didn’t have the same impact. There was a blitzkrieg and there were some similarities. I tell you, the Islamic State, — which they called “ISIL,” of course, all the time, and everyone else was like, “Just call it ‘ISIS,’ you weirdos.”

    CLAY: (laughs)

    BUCK: But they had a blitzkrieg into Mosul, a city that I know better than I would care to, and the Iraqi army abandoned things. Anyway, it’s the worst week the Biden administration has had in a while. But on the issue of covid, they’re just doubling, tripling down on everything. They’re not saying, “Oh, we have to give everybody boosters now? Maybe we should rethink.”

    Unh-uh. They just turn the screws tighter all the time. And as you know, everybody — I’ve been telling you — I think they’re gonna come after people in different ways here for vaccination that live outside of the blue cities. Here is Biden just yesterday during this press conference that he gave. No questions about Afghanistan in the press conference.

    CLAY: Didn’t take any.

    BUCK: Right. Yes.

    CLAY: Didn’t take a single question.

    BUCK: The Taliban is taking more questions about their policy by American media in Afghanistan than Joe Biden is. But here is what he said on vaccinations, ’cause I want to drill down to that. Play 4.

    BIDEN: So let’s be clear. Vaccination requirements have been around for decades. Students, health care professionals, our troops are typically required to receive vaccines to prevent everything from polio to smallpox to measles to mumps to rubella. In fact, the reason most people in America don’t worry about polio, smallpox, measle, mumps, and rubella today, is because of vaccines!

    It only makes sense to require a vaccine that stops the spread of covid-19. It’s time for employers to end up. Employers have more power today to end this pandemic than they have ever before! My message is simple: Do the right thing for your employees, consumers, and your businesses. Let’s remember; The key tool to keeping our economy going stronger is to get people vaccinated and at work.

    BUCK: “Nice job you got there. Be shame if you lost it ’cause you didn’t get vaccinated.” That’s what the president of the United States, Clay, is telling the private sector that often operates at the mercy of the federal government to do right now.

    CLAY: Yeah. It’s default state action. But the bigger issue here, I think, Buck, is 100% vaccination rate would not end covid, and this is the biggest lie associated with the “you need to get vaccinated” aspect of this Joe Biden pitch right now. I was talking about this this a little bit earlier, and the data is out there. Iceland is one of the most vaccinated countries in the entirety of the world, Buck.

    They have done an incredible job of getting their people vaccinated. Iceland has had… Let me give you these numbers: 91.2% of the adult population in Iceland is at least partially vaccinated. Nearly 87% are fully vaccinated. We now in Iceland have got the highest number of cases of covid anywhere in that country that has ever existed. This surge is higher than ever before.

    If vaccination were going to solve this as an issue, then being 87% vaccinated would end it — and remember, Buck, initially we were told if 70% of people would get vaccinated, this thing would be over in the United States. Guess what? We’re over 70% of adults vaccinated, and it hasn’t.

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    CLAY: I wanted to hit you with some numbers. Yesterday, we teased this. And a lot of the discussion, Buck, we’ve had, obviously the focal point right now is get as many people home from Afghanistan — American citizens — safely as we possibly can. We want them all to get to the airport and to safely return to this country, but one of the big points of discussion has been — and you heard us just ask Senator Hagerty, who was with us at the top of the hour — what sort of impact is this foreign policy failure potentially going to have on the larger Joe Biden domestic agenda with its record of futility here?

    A couple of stats that I think are significant, Buck — and I don’t know if you’ve seen these, but I want to hit you with them and get your reaction. First of all, FiveThirtyEight website, Nate Silver’s website, and Real Clear Politics both early this week on Wednesday: For the first time in Joe Biden’s tenure as president, his approval rating has dropped below 50%.

    Now, this is significant because it really doesn’t factor in much of what’s gone on with Afghanistan yet, and we know all of the favorable media attention that Joe Biden has gotten. For him to drop below 50% approval, we talked about how many people who voted for Biden wished they could have a do-over and vote for Trump, does it surprise you, Buck Sexton that even with the biased polls that we know exist, they’re not even able to keep Joe Biden above water now and say, “Over half the American public supports him”?

    BUCK: Anybody who voted for Joe Biden because they thought, they believed — and the media was insistent, they were mendacious; I mean, they lied constantly about this — that it would return to us normalcy, or anybody who believed that there was something transactional that was good for the country, right?

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: He was gonna be good for the country.

    CLAY: There were millions of people who believed what you’re saying.

    BUCK: Yes, he would do a good job with fill in the blank. And, by the way, that’s really what… You look at people who are independents, undecideds, you get into the polls and it’s usually, oh, well the economy or immigration or something, and it’s whoever they believe will be better on.

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: Anyone who thought normalcy or competence was coming with this administration, already realizes this was a massive mistake. They regret the vote, and realize that the country is not in a better place in those ways for those reasons. The loony libs who are triple masking while they’re riding around outside on their tricycles and talking about how Dr. Fauci is a sex god and he’s amazing?

    They are never going to turn their backs on Joe Biden because they’ve been convinced. They’ve been brainwashed into thinking… Let’s have a little fun game here for a second, Clay. The first year of the Trump presidency, what was the big problem? We had a booming economy, a booming stock market, peace, no terrorist attacks, tax cuts, and the media was in a frenzy. They were at DEFCON 2 because of a lie of issue collusion. If you compare up to this point the first year of Trump in his term and the first year of Biden, it’s not even close. It’s not even the same universe.

    CLAY: That’s right.

    BUCK: It’s an A student and a D student.

    CLAY: And Trump, other than covid, would have dominated Biden in 2020. Okay? So those numbers, Joe Biden now under 50%. So far I’ve only seen one poll that has begun to factor in Afghanistan. Reuters has dropped Joe Biden’s approval rating by seven points. This came out on Tuesday from 53% approval all the way down to 46%. There’s some people out there, okay, may not trust polls.

    But to kind of put it into context, we know the Trump polls were always a mess. But George W. Bush seven months in, 56% approval rating; Barack Obama seven months in, 59% approval rating according to these same polls. All right? Under 50%, this is significant. For going into the midterms, the average president under 50%, loses 37 House seats in the first midterm. I can’t imagine Joe Biden being able to go up, right? I’m curious; I imagine you would, too It’s only going to continue to go down between now and 2022.

    BUCK: I don’t like… I hate overpromising, and one of my mantras in life is never celebrate early.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: You never want to be… To borrow from your world, Mr. Travis, you never want to be the guy who’s high stepping in the end zone —

    CLAY: In the first quarter.

    BUCK: — and then gets nailed at the two-yard line, you don’t want to be that guy.

    CLAY: You don’t want to drop the ball too early either which is what a lot of people do now.

    BUCK: Yeah. But I gotta say, right now we’re on track… Some people say, “Don’t say it! You’re gonna jinx it!” We’re on track for something along the lines of the 2010 Tea Party wave.

    CLAY: Just based on the incompetence.

    BUCK: Yeah, just based on the incompetence of the Biden administration. And look, I know it’s a long way off and a lot can change between now and then. But when you see when the problems are of the Biden administration, usually year one of a presidency, they can get away with, “Oh, we don’t know yet. We don’t know what the real results of our decisions are. You know, we’re gonna either raise taxes or lower taxes.”

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: We’re gonna have some kind of an agreement, we’re gonna try something on health care, it’s gonna take time,” and the media can run a lot of interference for the Democrats as they do, convincing people that it’s all gonna work out. So even if it doesn’t look that great, Biden has managed to — in the areas where he has asserted the most control and made the most clear decisions — created catastrophes, create really negative, obvious negative outcomes in the first eight months.

    CLAY: Calamitous.

    BUCK: I mean, this is kind of unprecedented in that way.

    CLAY: It’s calamitous. Here’s an idea for you, Buck. I think you could make the strong argument, the only good thing for Joe Biden right now is, as bad all of job as he has done, Kamala Harris is less popular than he is. So there’s nobody trying to raise up behind him, ’cause that was the big fear was Kamala’s there; she’s gonna sweep in and take over for Joe Biden.

    I think Democrats are more terrified of how much Kamala is disliked in this country, so they’re going to keep Joe Biden in that spot. It’s a little bit like Virginia when the governor had the blackface scandal and the lieutenant scandal had the sexual assault, and then he had another blackface scandal in the attorney general’s office.

    Northam was able to stay governor not because of his competence, but because everybody was even arguably more incompetent beneath him. I think that might be the only saving grace (laughing) for Joe Biden right now, ’cause otherwise I think people would be saying, “Hey, this guy’s…” Democrats would be saying, “Hey, we need to elevate Kamala. He’s not up to this.”

    BUCK: And Kamala, the Democrat apparatus, I do think, knows that in the same way that they didn’t want to put Bernie Sanders socialism — which is really largely the ideology of the Democrat Party now. They just won’t call it that. They didn’t want to put that to a vote. I still think it should have been Trump versus Sanders in this last election.

    CLAY: Right.

    BUCK: That would have been a more honest Democrat Party for where it actually is.

    CLAY: If the DNC had been honest, and it might have been the case in 2016, too, if they had been honest.

    BUCK: Right. Okay. But they didn’t want to actually pose that to voters. I think they also know that if you’re talking about Kamala as the standard-bearer for the Democrat Party, it’s one thing for the Democrat, the DNC apparatus to elevate here and there’s all the optics of this. But they don’t want to put it to a vote to the American people ’cause she’ll lose.

    CLAY: Get crushed.

    BUCK: So they know that that’s a bad idea, and you got Joe Biden who is their guy. It was supposed to be a pretty easygoing, “Joe Biden’s the guy you know” approach, and that then gives cover to sociologists within the party — The Squad and the rest of them — to push for their crazy ideas, ’cause, “Oh, don’t worry! Good old Grandpa Joe’s holding it all together, right?

    CLAY: (laughing)

    BUCK: “We can trust the Democrats with Grandpa Joe at the helm.” Now it looks like Grandpa Joe has taken the sailboat and run it right into the rocks which means the rest of the socialists in the Democrat Party don’t have that cover from people who are saying, “Oh, but we know we can trust Joe.” No, you can’t, actually. You can’t.

    CLAY: And they’re not even gonna get in a one-year honeymoon. The honeymoon is over at seven or eight months, and I only see it getting worse as we move into an election year next year, and then if he presume, which I think you have to, that Democrats are going to lose the House at a minimum and probably the Senate, what in the world is Biden gonna be capable of going forward? Is he gonna decide to run? Are they gonna try to drag him across the finish line? Kamala? It’s racist and sexist if Joe doesn’t run and she’s not the nominee. They’re in a mess of a situation right now on a national party level.

    BUCK: And just real quick, what do they have to offer up as great thing they’re going to do?

    CLAY: Nothing.

    BUCK: They can’t get the rest of their agenda. They’re gonna pass this massive budget. Fine. But they’re not going to be able to get through, in an election year, legislation with these razor thin margins? Oh, gee, maybe they never had a mandate in the first place and now that reality is starting to set in because the American people see what a clown show we’re dealing with here with the Democrats, and that’s a problem.

    CLAY: And I’m not even sure they get through the budget now with all of the mess in Afghanistan, covid continuing to rise as an issue.

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    Veterans Weigh In on the Fall of Afghanistan

    19 Aug 2021

    CLAY: Mark in Ohio. Fourth generation veteran. Mark, we appreciate your service as well as your family’s service. What do you want to share with us?

    CALLER: Well, thank you, gentlemen. Just real quick, my dad called. He was watching the fall of Afghanistan. He witnessed what happened in Vietnam, obviously, he did two tours over there. And he said it just made him sick to see it all over again. I was in Iraq, and it made me sick to see that handed over to ISIS. And now we’ve had the trifecta of having the Taliban take over here in Afghanistan.

    And I just cannot believe that we are gonna have much credibility with allies left in the world after this, never mind the humanitarian angle of just being a decent person and keeping your word to people. But just from a tactical point of view, down the road, the long-term implications of this are just going to be tragic, and hopefully something as bad as 9/11 doesn’t come back to bite us again.

    BUCK: So, Mark. Hey, it’s Buck. I just wanted to ask you, Mark, so you obviously… We all know the withdrawal from the Biden planning and tactics perspective, it’s just a complete debacle. It’s horrific, and we just hope it doesn’t get worse. But it sounds to me like you’re saying as somebody who is a veteran, comes from a long line of veterans, that you actually would have preferred a permanent presence of U.S. military based in Afghanistan at some level. Is that correct?

    CALLER: Absolutely. Absolutely.

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CALLER: You took the time to go over there and take the ground. Make sure that that was not in vain, and you cannot do that by phoning it in. You have to have people there and involved. It didn’t take a large number of people to get ISIS back under control when President Trump decided to actually drop the hammer on ’em. We have technology that will keep you up at night. We just need a few people there to make sure that we deliver it to our enemies in a timely manner.

    BUCK: Mark, thank you for your service, and thank you for sharing your perspective here on the Clay and Buck show. Appreciate it. Josh in California, another veteran of Afghanistan has got a specific story wants to bring to our attention. Josh, welcome.

    CALLER: How we doing, sir?

    BUCK: We’re good.

    CALLER: My name is Josh. I’m from California. Basically, I’m calling in because I’m a sponsor for an Afghan interpreter, and he has been trying to get to the airport for three days now with his family and his 5-year-old kid. He hasn’t been able to get there. The Taliban has the whole place surrounded, and they are kidnapping tons of people, he says. He says he’s watching people right in front of him get kidnapped as people try to go through the Taliban.

    CLAY: Josh, I’m sorry to cut you off, but would he be interested in talking to us over the radio and telling his story and maybe we can have people who are listening give him some assistance. I know there’s been a lot of senators out there that have been helping. If you could… We’re about to finish off this hour, but based on what you’re telling us right now, if you could share information and/or give a phone number for him, we would be happy to help as best we could.

    CALLER: I can try to do that. I’m trying to get a hold of him this morning and I’m really worried because every time I message him, he answers almost immediately, and he hasn’t answered this morning so I’m getting really worried.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    CALLER: He’s either on a plane or he’s gotten kidnapped. That’s pretty much I’m almost positive one of those two scenarios because he lives right outside of the airport — like, right outside — and he saw when those people got shot the other day him and his whole family saw it. They all witnessed it, and he said that Christian people missionaries are also getting kidnapped a lot right now.

    CLAY: Well, we appreciate your service, and we appreciate the call, Josh. And, by the way, to the extent that we can help in any way, we’ll talk, like we said, with one of the senators from Tennessee, Bill Haggerty, who’s gonna join us next. And there have been a lot of people — Tom Cotton, for instance, among others — that have been doing everything they can to help people.

    BUCK: And if there’s way to get somebody through, you know, a Skype call from on the ground in Afghanistan, we’ll do that, too. So we’ll get the team here working on it.

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    Raheem Kassam Tells C&B: Impeach “Joke” Biden

    19 Aug 2021

    BUCK: Special treat today for all of you: Our friend Raheem Kassam. He’s the editor-in-chief of The National Pulse, cohost of the War Room podcast with Steve Bannon, and he’s got an exclusive piece up at The National Pulse: “Joe Biden State Department halted a Trump-era crisis response plan aimed at avoiding Benghazi-style evacuations just months before the Taliban takeover.” Raheem, welcome.

    RAHEEM: Well, thank you for having me, Buck.

    BUCK: What is this story all about, man? I read the headline; I read the piece, I said, “Wow.”

    RAHEEM: Yeah, you know, it’s really interesting. I worked in the field of sort of counterextremism, counterterrorism. I have obviously written books about radical Islam and studied a lot of this for so long. And with all of the noise over the last week, Buck, about Afghanistan and everything that’s been taking place, I just couldn’t understand these people who told us that they were the adults coming back into the room — who told us that they were respected on the world stage, told us that they had the plans and that it was Donald Trump that was the liability.

    I couldn’t understand, you know, where things technically or policy-wise went wrong. And then somebody actually from — or I probably shouldn’t say where they’re from, but somebody sent me an internal memo from — within the State Department. And it all started to make sense. And what that memo effectively said was that in June of this year the Biden State Department canceled a new bureau that Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump wanted to found.

    They actually created the idea for this back in October, the money was moved to create this bureau in January, and that bureau’s job was to be the extraction and the exfiltration element for crisis zones around the world, like Kabul, for instance. And it was within days, I’m told, from my sources in the State Department — days — of Biden being inaugurated that they started to dismantle this bureau. CCR, Crisis and Contingency Response.

    Now, the State Department has had this capability for some time, but it’s tied up with all different other elements, specifically medical elements, and those elements were used at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic to get Americans home. But what happened in this scenario is it appears that the Biden State Department… I don’t know whether it was Antony Blinken himself or somebody else in there.

    I’m actually told that it was a lot of career bureaucrats in the State Department that wanted to nix this plan simply because it was a Trump-era plan. What it appears to have done was led to a lack of capability on the United States’ part to actually get Americans out of Afghanistan in this scenario. And I think, Buck, if I may.

    I think it’s stunning, I think it’s heinous, and I think it goes right to the heart of that question that I had right at the beginning of all of this, as these scenes began to unfold over our television screens over the last week is how do you have a situation where there are still over 10,000 Americans in Afghanistan, and they are unable to be evacuated? This answers that question.

    CLAY: Raheem, really good work. This is Clay. I appreciate you coming on with us and discussing the piece that you did. Now, bigger picture here: We hope that we’re going to get those 10,000-plus American citizens out safely. Ultimately, though, what you are describing is a systemic failure of the Biden administration. Who ends up bearing the blame here when all is said and done for this calamity?

    RAHEEM: Well, I think we have to take the man at his word. He said the buck stops with him. He went on national television and said as much. And I think we have to take him at his word for that. Let me put it this way. (chuckles) A different president was impeached for far less than this. This goes to the heart of the safety of Americans around the world.

    Realistically, as you both well know, it goes to the heart of America to project power on the global stage. Currently I hate to break it to you as if anybody didn’t know this already, but America is being ridiculed on the world stage as a result of what’s taken place in the last couple of weeks.

    The front page of The Sun newspaper, one of the largest distribution newspapers in the United Kingdom’s headline of the, “Joke Biden.” You know, we don’t tend to do that about American presidents. We certainly don’t tend to that about our greatest ally in the world. but that is how far the situation has gone.

    Now, I happen to believe that without rooting out who in the State Department — specifically at a career level, not a political level — tried to get this program nixed, I don’t think that there can be any true accountability. But at a political level, Joe Biden has said he wants to own this, and I think certainly Republicans on Capitol Hill should make him own this specific issue.

    BUCK: We’re speaking to Raheem Kassam, editor-in-chief of The National Pulse. Go to TheNationalPulse.com for their exclusive story about Biden State Department getting rid of a bureau that would have tried to avoid the calamity that we are seeing unfold right now in Afghanistan when it comes to evacuation of personnel. Also, Raheem is on the War Room podcast daily with Steve Bannon and Jason Miller.

    Raheem, you have a background in extremism, analysis, and counterterrorism. I come from the CTC/CIA background. People are asking a lot of questions about this Taliban, although I guess we could say even though it’s even beyond that. Do you believe that there’s gonna be any real difference in the way this Taliban approaches its mandate, so to speak, as this terrorist regime? Do you think it’s going to be a different Taliban this time around?

    RAHEEM: (laughing) No. (laughing) And I will… I mean, the question isn’t risible but the premise is risible, right? This is the premise we’ve been led to believe by the repeat Americans of deputy Pentagon press secretaries who can’t, by the way, put a number on how many Americans are ’til left in Afghanistan.

    But they’re more than ready to wax lyrical about the new ideology of this nouveau Taliban, right? This postmodern Taliban that is gonna respect everybody’s rights and, you know, what did CNN say about them, that they were chanting “Death to America!” but in a real friendly way!

    CLAY: (laughing) yes.

    RAHEEM: It’s naivete writ large. It’s dangerous that, you know, let me bring it back to the original story. Had the original deadline in May been stuck to and had the CCR bureau — this Crisis Contingency Response Bureau — been allowed to do the job that it was tasked to do, I happen to know who was involved with this and what kind of operations that they were planning to run.

    These are competent people who have been doing this for years upon years upon years, especially as readers will learn in the OpMed bureau in the State Department — very quiet bureau but very effective bureau — and had all of that happened as it was supposed to happen, as Donald Trump had planned for it to happen, you wouldn’t have had this chaotic situation.

    And it comes back to what Biden said the other day. He said, “I don’t know any given situation where we could have left where there wouldn’t have been chaos.” Well, Mr. President, there was one right in front of you, and you and your State Department nixed it simply because it was a Trump-era plan.

    CLAY: Raheem, given what you have reported and what you have seen, should Republicans impeach Joe Biden?

    RAHEEM: Yes. I mean, there can be no two ways about it. It would be one thing if you were leaving a country and you were leaving it in a terrible state and the Taliban were taking over and, you know, the MSNBC anchors could wring their hands about women’s rights, so on and so forth.

    But this goes further than that, even. This goes to the heart of how foreign policy works, who calls the shots, and if Americans are safe abroad. If Americans are not safe abroad, and if the Chinese Communist Party and Islamic terror groups around the world see that Americans are not safe abroad, well, then, guys, what do you think is gonna start happening?

    We’re going to see people taken hostage. We’re going to see American installations attacked. We’re going to see more situations like this because they now look at “Joke Biden,” as The Sun called him, as that joke, and who it knows his ability to do anything. A story came out of the United Kingdom today that Boris Johnson, the prime minister of the United Kingdom, one of America’s most important allies in the war against terror, could not get Joe Biden on the phone.

    For over a day and a half, could not get the president of the United States on the phone to discuss exfiltration strategies, extraction of their citizens. And so everybody just went off and did it themselves. (chuckles) I don’t know about you guys, but I was told that those sorts of irresponsible things were the types of things that Donald Trump would do, and he never did. And now look at the situation.

    BUCK: Yeah. It turns out they’ve made it worse. “Leading from behind under Obama” has turned into “not leading at all from the basement” under Biden. So this is what we’re up against. Raheem Kassam, everybody. Read TheNationalPulse.com for their exclusive reporting Raheem on this. Raheem, great to have you.

    RAHEEM: Thank you. Thanks for having me, guys.

    BUCK: Come back in in a. Minute we’ve got some veterans on the lines, Clay. We’ll get to that. Plus we’ve got a senator joining us.

    CLAY: Yeah, Senator Bill Hagerty from Tennessee, and that was interesting from Raheem there, saying that he believes Joe Biden should be impeached. Obviously, there’s complications we don’t control the House with how exactly that might take place. But what does Hagerty think inside of the Senate about this? We’ll ask him that question specifically.

    BUCK: Yeah. If doing a really bad job is enough to get you impeached in a way that —

    CLAY: If a phone call is, you would think this might be.

    BUCK: Yeah, he said another president gets impeached. Trump got impeached twice for absurdities — nonimpeachable offenses and non-offenses, actually.

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