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It’s 45! President Trump Joins Clay and Buck

31 Aug 2021

CLAY: We are joined now by 45 himself, President Donald Trump. President Trump, we appreciate you making the time for us. What is your reaction as you see this unmitigated disaster of Joe Biden’s leadership in Afghanistan, and how much different do you think it would be if you were president of the United States right now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, it would have been the exact opposite, because, frankly, we were in perfect shape. Abdul, he’s now the head guy. That was the one I was dealing with, and he understood exactly what I was saying. I said, “There will be hell to pay if you touch any American soldiers or any Americans.” And even Biden said the other day — I think probably mistakenly from his standpoint, because they don’t usually do this.

But he came out and said, “Well, no American soldier was killed since the previous administration came to that agreement,” which is true. We had many other conditions, and they were strong conditions. And they didn’t meet some of them and we bombed the hell out of them. And they would have met them all. And we would have been out.

We would have had all of our people out. We would have had all of our equipment. I said, “Every nail! I want every nail, every screw, every tank, every plane,” and those planes are in very good working order. You look at Apaches. They cost a fortune, tens of millions of dollars, and they were flying them yesterday. They were having a good time flying our Apache helicopters. And they have, whether it’s 73, 83 or $85 billion worth of equipment — thousands of trucks, hundreds of tanks and other kinds of military gear — and it’s just disgraceful what happened. I think it’s the greatest embarrassment in the history of our country.

BUCK: President Trump, it’s Buck Sexton here —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Hi, Buck!

BUCK: — and I just wanted to know, do you think…?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Hi.

BUCK: Hey. Good to talk to you again, sir. Do you think that we’re going to get all these Americans out and do you think that…? What would you want to see happen here? What would you like to see to get them all out?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, now I’m hearing stories that they were trucked to the border and the Taliban turned them back and said, “You go back,” and they even sent armed guards with them. This is coming out today. Yesterday tremendous disrespect was paid by Biden, when he kept looking at his watch over and over again. I understand every time — every time — a coffin came off the plane, he was looking at his watch.

And the people, the parents and the relatives are just angry as they should be. Nobody should have been killed. We had that under perfect control, and after I got out — which was a rigged election. It just shows you how important it is. But after I got out, Abdul and his group, they went wild. They went wild. The Americans were told to leave by that time, too.

That’s why they ran out. They wanted to make it that last minute. The plane went off. But they left a lot of people behind, and probably a lot more than the 200 or 250 that they’re talking about, and now people are calling in saying they’re afraid for their lives. American University, they’re all afraid for their lives. The kids are calling in. What kind of a thing is this?

And the Marines are so brave. And the Navy, and the Army and all of them, the Air Force. And you see what’s happening. And I’ll tell you, the soldiers didn’t want to leave. But our television generals are terrible. We have great generals, because I wiped out 100% of the ISIS caliphate in Iraq and Syria and we did it quickly — a lot quicker than the television guys said we could do it. We have great generals, we have great people, but not the television generals.

BUCK: President Trump, I know you can’t… I watched you on Hannity and I know you said because of FEC rules you couldn’t announce whether you were going to run again in 2024. But when you see how much of a disaster Joe Biden has been in the first eight months —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: A disaster.

BUCK: — and I’m sure you’ve seen some of the data where a lot of different people who voted for Joe Biden have come out and said: “Boy, if we had this to do all over again, we’d vote for President Trump.” It feels like if you got the opportunity to run against him — assuming they try to run him again in 2024 — that you would absolutely wallop and destroy him. How much would you relish that opportunity?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, number one, I have to tell you, I think they did vote for me, okay? If you look at what’s going on in the various states, I think they did vote for me. I got 75 million votes, which was 12 million more votes than I got the previous election, 2016.

CLAY: That’s right.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And I think they actually did. And I put out a statement yesterday: If they could run a war as well as they rig an election, we’d have no enemies. We’d have total control over everything. It’s very sad. When you look at this, it’s very, very sad. But, you know, when you do that, when you announce regulations — rules, regulations, everything else — it’s a whole new set.

But I’ll be honest with you. I am thinking about, Clay, doing something early, because this is ridiculous what’s happening. They’re destroying our country! These people are destroying. They’re using prosecutors to their own benefit. That’s all they know how to do is cheat and use prosecutors to their own benefit. They have prosecutors all over the place going after Republicans — IRS going after Republicans — and we don’t play that game. The Republicans haven’t played that game with our guys. That’s for sure. But it’s a disgrace.

CLAY: So you’re thinking, though already —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: What’s happening is a disgrace.

CLAY: You’re so frustrated that you’re thinking about stepping in and going ahead and saying, “Let’s go.”

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I’m thinking about it much more. Look, I figured I’d wait until after midterms, but I am thinking about it. When I look at the border, when I look at what he’s doing with inflation and when… I was so proud. We were energy-independent really for the first time in the history of our country. They say 75 years.

For the first time in the history of our country, we were energy independent. Gasoline was $1.87 — and think of it, $1.87 a gallon — and now it’s going to be over $5 or $6 very soon. We’re no longer energy independent, by the way, and he stopped so much. They stopped ANWR. They’ve been trying to get ANWR in Alaska, probably the biggest drilling site in the world; I got that done. Reagan couldn’t get it done. Nobody could get it done. I got it done.

And they just gave it back. They gave it up. And now they’re going to see — and you’ve seen it. You’ve reported on it. Now, they’re going to see OPEC to see if they will give us some oil and energy. They want energy now from OPEC! We didn’t have to talk to OPEC. OPEC talked to us. So, when I look at what’s happening with that, with the border, with Afghanistan…

Afghanistan makes the border look good. Because, frankly, I mean, what they did with the border was grossly incompetent. We had the best in our history; now it’s the worst in our history in just a few months. But that looks good compared to this horror show in Afghanistan. It’s so disrespectful.

BUCK: President Trump, can I ask you, what are you planning in the immediate future? We’ve often… We’ve asked you before, are you going to get back into the big fight as a contender? But in the midterms, which are going to be coming up sooner, what are you planning and what is the MAGA movement going to do to try to take power back in the meantime from these Democrats who are failing the country on so many levels?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, the MAGA movement, as you say, is stronger than I think it’s ever been. You saw the crowd, the massive crowd I had in Alabama on Saturday night. It was incredible — in the rain and thunder and everything else — and you couldn’t even see the end of it, it was so big. I’m going… I’ll be doing rallies. But I think maybe most… We’re going up to Iowa. We’re going to Georgia.

We’re doing rallies and we have massive rallies, probably bigger than even before the election because they’re seeing what’s happening. But one of the things I’m doing that you cover very well is endorsing people, and I’m 128-2 in endorsements. We just got somebody great in if you look at what just happened in Ohio, the great state of Ohio. And, frankly, Texas where we had two Republicans running.

It’s the first time that’s happened, two Republicans running for a House seat. We’re doing great, and the endorsements seem to be very important. You know the expression, “An endorsement’s not worth the paper it’s written on”? Except if Trump does it! And I’m honored by that. It’s a great honor, and we’re getting great people in. So, we’re endorsing really great people and that’s what I’m focused on. That. But I may be taking a look at exactly the first part of your question, because our country is being destroyed.

CLAY: What we need, Mr. President — we appreciate the time you’re giving us today. We hear from our audience so much, they miss you and they want you throwing punches on behalf of them, because there’s so few people standing up in an aggressive way to the Biden administration. What Buck and I would like to do is we’d like to come down Mar-a-Lago and do the show with you — let you take calls, do as much of the show as you would like with us — to talk to our people and your people and help lead that fight. Will you pick a day?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure.

CLAY: We’ll come down any time in the future that works for you —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yeah. Yeah. I’ll do that.

CLAY: — and bring the show down to Mar-a-Lago with you.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure.

CLAY: We’ve been talking about it.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It would be my honor and we’ll do it. And you guys are doing a great job and I’ve been watching and I’m looking at your ratings. Rush would be very proud of you. I’ll tell you, Rush was our friend. Rush was incredible. You know, I didn’t know Rush, and I came down the escalator with the great First Lady — our future First Lady at that time — and Rush loved it and he loved what I had to say. He said, “He’s speaking the truth,” and he was there and I didn’t know Rush. And I got to know him well and he was great. He would be very proud of you two guys.

BUCK: President Trump, we appreciate your time today, sir. We appreciate you bringing the fight to the left and helping this country get back on its feet. But also, we’ll see you down in Mar-a-Lago, sir.

CLAY: Just pick a date!

BUCK: Probably in the wintertime when it’s a little chilly up here in the Northeast.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We’ll do that. We will do that.

BUCK: Thank you so much, President Trump.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We’ll have some… Well, not fun. We have to do it.

BUCK: We’ll do it. Absolutely. An honor, sir.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We have to do things because this country’s in trouble.

BUCK: Thanks for being with us. Clay, I mean, does it get…? How else could we finish off a show?

CLAY: It’s a good way to finish off the show!

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: We’ll talk about that tomorrow. We appreciate all of you. He’s always fantastic.

BUCK: Fantastic.

CLAY: How good is that Mar-a-Lago show going to be at some point in the future?

BUCK: Amazing!

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Biden Breaks Promise to Evacuate Every American

31 Aug 2021

BUCK: The Biden administration wants you to just focus on the fact that it’s done. The war is over. Our presence has gone down to — at least our official presence — zero. But how could this have happened? They actually got out in advance of the deadline. This was announced yesterday, just a little bit after Clay and I finished our show. Let’s go back to a couple of weeks ago, Joe Biden saying that they would stay. We would keep our troops there until every American came home.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Are you committed to making sure that the troops stay until every American —

BIDEN: Yeees!

STEPHANOPOULOS: — who wants to be out is out?

BIDEN: Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So, Americans should understand that troops might have to be there beyond August 31st.

BIDEN: No! Americans should understand that we’re going to try to get it done before August 31st.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But, if we don’t, the troops will stay.

BIDEN: If we don’t, we’ll determine at the time who’s left.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And?

BIDEN: And if there are American force — if there’s American citizens left, we’re gonna stay till we get them all out.

BUCK: That is what he said on national TV. Very clear, you heard him. He is the commander in chief, for better for worse (we know for worse is the reality).

Clay, this is a broken promise. This is an obligation that he has to get out all of the Americans. We got out a lot of Afghans, as we know. How could we leave Americans behind in the battlefield?

CLAY: Joe Biden is done I think as a viable candidate, to the extent that he was at all, in 2024 based on these clips. It is the very foundation. If you combine that with the –July 8th, I believe it was — clips where Joe Biden said there was no way the Taliban will be able to take over Afghanistan. We’ll play that clip, and just think about.

Listen to this in conjunction with what you just heard. These are two different fundamental failures by Joe Biden. They go to the very essence of what the commander-in-chief is supposed to do. And I believe they will be the foundation of a lot of 2022 campaign ads, and I think that effectively destroys Joe Biden’s chances to be the nominee in 2024. I really do. Listen to this. Think about these in concert together.

BIDEN: No! It is not!

REPORTER: Why?

BIDEN: Because you have the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable!

BUCK: That’s a really, well-armed Taliban, by the way, just by the numbers there. So we had 300,000 on the books. We got them all armed up. We got 75,000 Taliban. Guess what? We can all do the math on that one, Clay. But the intelligence failure here. And it’s not just the intelligence community. It’s the White House. It’s the national security apparatus in general on the dissolution! It’s not that the Afghan national security force is lost, Clay, it’s that they disappeared.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: There were no Afghan national security forces after the Biden administration said they’re leaving. Between that and breaking the promise, you would think he would pay a very high political price. But I actually have some concerns about whether that’s actually going to happen.

CLAY: Well, you think they’re going to try to pivot, and I think they certainly are. And there are going to allies in the media that now that there isn’t the day-to-day reaction of Afghanistan shots, where we can see all of the chaos going there. Much of the media will leave. We know that people have short attention spans. And this is really the question that we have debated.

I think the general argument, Buck, is that foreign affairs don’t dictate success or failures of presidents. General argument. I think the problem for Joe Biden is all of the failures in Afghanistan — the way we left, the leaving people behind, how quickly the country collapsed in total contravention to everything that Joe Biden had told the American public — ties in with the covid failures. It ties in with the inflation rate skyrocketing. It ties in with the border being a sieve and nobody stopping anything there, and the ongoing murder rates.

In other words, it sells the message of incompetence. And it’s like, “Hey, Joe Biden is not just incompetent in the domestic sphere. He’s also completely incompetent internationally,” and I think those audio and video in commercials are devastating to Joe Biden to put them back-to-back, because it just brings home that incompetence on a different level.

BUCK: It’s amazing for those of us — and I know you are in this camp — who thought the Biden presidency would be a disaster for day one, Clay. But this first year has been a lesson on how it can always be worse.

CLAY: Eight months.

BUCK: That’s what we’ve seen from Biden. However, the timing of this, unfortunately, may work in his favor in some way. As you know, a year from now, who knows what’s going to be going on, right?

CLAY: He’s so bad, so early!

BUCK: That’s right.

CLAY: It’s like a sporting event when you’re down 35-0 in the first quarter. It probably won’t get worse. You’re probably not going to lose 100 to nothing. It’s an interesting argument.

BUCK: Here’s how I think this goes. I say give it a week. I think some people are saying it’s already happening. I think there’s some evidence of that. But give it a week and the Democrat corporate media is going to be talking — and get ready for this, everybody. The gas lighting is going to be thermonuclear. It’s going to be rough.

In a week they’re going to be talking about Biden’s bravery in ending this war, and the amazing improvisation and on-the-spot leadership his team showed under tremendous pressure. And they’ll look at anybody who questions what will be a Soviet style rewriting of history like they are crazy, Clay. It’s just going to turn into: “Biden got us out. It doesn’t matter how he did it.

“He’s the best because he did it,” and anybody who says, “Wait, hold on a second. What about the whole collapse? What about the leaving Americans behind? What about the 13 service members that we lost because we were reliant,” and let’s never forget this, “on Taliban checkpoints for our last foothold of evacuation territory in Afghanistan?” They’re going to be saying: “Nothing’s perfect. Biden!” They’re going to be dismissive about it.

CLAY: I think there’s some truth to it. I don’t even think they’re going to argue it. I think they’re going to rely on the American people having, in many ways, the memory spans of goldfish, Buck. And I think they will just stop talking Afghanistan at all and expect and hope that much as, for the last 20 years, most of the time nobody talked about Afghanistan. They’re going to hope this is going to fade.

I think a good campaign will use these clips and keep recirculating them to reemphasize, “Look, what was the number one thing that Biden sold to the American people? ‘I’ll be normal. Things are going to be back to normal and you can trust me.'” Things are not back to normal, Buck, and you can’t trust him — the very foundation of his electoral legitimacy — and then you’re toss in covid. He said, “You can trust me. I’m going to get things back to normal. I will beat covid.” He’s fundamentally failed on all of those issues.

BUCK: Yeah, I’m going to question the virus, not the economy, which is what he said. And I know right now, the stock market’s really high, but that’s because people are getting ready for inflation. And if you have assets — if you have hard assets, if you have money in stocks — this is what you’re going do.

CLAY: You have nowhere else to put them.

BUCK: You’re going to put money into places where asset values will rise with the rest as a result of our monetary policy, which is also a tax on wage earners, is a tax on people that they don’t see. But that’s also before the huge spending bill is coming.

But I just feel like, Clay, we are seeing already the pivot is coming. Biden is going to be speaking today. It’s supposed to be 1:30 Eastern Time, folks. We will join it in progress if we can. Who knows how late it will be, but I will say this for us. We know and we saw the true weighing of the Biden administration and its team in a moment of crisis, and they have been found wanting.

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: They are not up for this. They are not the smartest guys and gals in the room. They’re not some team of timeless experts as they rely on.

CLAY: They are not the adults as they claim.

BUCK: Exactly. So, because we know this going forward, we can assess everything else they do with the full confidence that this is a buffoon squad. These are the people that couldn’t figure out which way was up in Afghanistan. Let’s not pretend like they know how to secure the border or how to handle crime in cities or how to be good stewards of the economy or how to push back against the socialists that are overtaking their own ranks. Really, the socialist party is the Democrat Party now. That’s what we can all remember.

CLAY: I also am curious whether the failures in Afghanistan are going to immediately translate into the Biden’s budget, the Bernie budget, and how that is going to play out as both the House and the Senate, because the pivot that is going to happen after Labor Day when the congressmen and the senators come into D.C. and that budget policy begins to be debated in earnest.

Has Biden lost some moderate support in the House? Have Sinema and Manchin being looked at this and said, “Man, we don’t really want to tie our electoral futures to Joe Biden’s regime. This is a one-term president. We’re going to lose the majority next year.” Those are all big questions directly connected to what happened in Afghanistan. But, first, what you got for us, Buck?

BUCK: Well, also, Clay, we should look at there are still Americans on the ground.

CLAY: Oh, there’s no doubt. We’ve got audio to prove it.

BUCK: What are we going to do to get them out, and what’s the administration going to do?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s the piece that I think is delaying the pivot play, because while there are Americans in harm’s way, they can’t fully get the spin cycle going.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: Now, we were talking as we went to break there, about Joe Biden breaking his promises. And some people already, Buck, to your point, are saying, “Well, there’s not really any Americans left on the ground,” or, “Anybody that’s left in Afghanistan at this point, well they just didn’t want to go back to America,” that’s not true at all, Buck.

BUCK: Yeah, the bull crap machinery is underway here.

CLAY: Yeah, and there are people making those arguments already. But I got to give credit. Clarissa Ward, who has been doing a fantastic job on the ground in Kabul for CNN, a legitimate reporter, she analyzed this and said, “Hey, I can talk about a family that expressly wants to get out of Afghanistan and has not been able to do so.” This is her telling their story.

WARD: I spoke earlier on in the day with a family of four from Houston Texas. They told me they had been going through the airport for two weeks trying desperately to get out. They all had American passports. They had gone to Afghanistan to visit the mother’s family. And essentially the issue was they couldn’t get past the Taliban.

They were in touch with the U.S. military. The military was trying to facilitate their departure. I spoke to another U.S. citizen — a translator, female translator — worked with the military. She was actually told she could leave, but her friend, who was a SIV holder, Special Immigrant Visa holder, would not be allowed to leave, and so she made the decision to stay.

CLAY: We’re leaving people behind directly. Even CNN — at least right now, Buck Sexton — is reporting that.

BUCK: Not even just as we’re discussing this. She mentioned SIV holders, the Special Immigrant Visa.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Some of those are translators; a lot of them are people who worked for a U.S. contractor. There were two tranches of SIV holders. There’s the Immediate Military Assistance SIV. Those are the “terps.” Those are the people that guys I know in special operations are going over there… I mean, they’ll go to the ends of the earth to save those guys, because they view them as their brothers in arms, and they want them to get out. There were people that worked in construction for a U.S.-based contractor, or they worked at the embassy as a clerk or whatever. But they’re also under a different tranche of SIV. But we’re talking about American citizens!

CLAY: Families.

BUCK: Blue passport holders, families, that were left behind.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: How and you think, how is this possible? The Brits, the French were sending out convoys. We saw the video of it. The Brits were sending out their guys saying, “We’re coming to get our people.” I know the American military; if they’re told, “Here’s your objective, go pick up American citizens” —

CLAY: Especially a family, Buck!

BUCK: — in the gates of hell, Clay, they will go and get them if asked to. What happened? How is that possible we didn’t get them out?

CLAY: It’s utter incompetence. It’s utter incompetence. It’s relying on the fricking Taliban — and I have to be careful using the words in front of Taliban, there.

BUCK: Nobody would be mad if you slipped up talking about the Taliban.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Maybe the FCC.

CLAY: Yeah, the FCC would be mad. Our audience would not be mad. But the idea that we are relying on a terrorist organization to safely get our people out of that country is — again, I’m going to keep beating the drum — the biggest foreign policy failure of most of our lives, certainly the biggest foreign policy failure going all the way back to the Vietnam War. I don’t think there’s any doubt. Maybe past Saigon, when you really start to think about that.

BUCK: Clay, you remember when we were talking about the Saigon moment?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And we were thinking, “Oh, gosh, we could be…” I think we all believed that we could be heading to something like that. This felt worse than the Saigon moment.

CLAY: Way worse! It’s way worse. We are letting Taliban shoot off fireworks while they fly around in our helicopters dangling people who are being hanged from the underside of American helicopters. It’s crazy.

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Clay Describes His Red Pill Media Moment

31 Aug 2021

BUCK: “Partisan Divides in Media Trust Widen Driven by a Decline Among Republicans.” That’s the Pew research data that Clay and I are referring to here. Here’s the short version. I’ll toss this one to my man Clay once we get the numbers out here.

Eight in 10 Democrats — 78%, but, you know, 8-in-10, basically 80% — trust the media either a lot or some at the national news organization media. Okay. So we’ll call it 80% to make it an easy number. Republicans, it’s more like 30%. Now, first of all, that tells you so much about our perception in the country.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: By the way, I think you agree the Republicans are the far more receptive group in this case, whether it’s PBS, CNN, New York Times, they’re all agenda-driven, left-wing commie organs. I’m sorry, but it’s true. That’s where we are. My question is, Clay, who are the 30% of the Republicans? They need to listen to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show because they are not getting the straight scoop from USA Today and CNN.

CLAY: Some of them may consider Fox News to be in that category.

BUCK: Fair point, and they should actually break that out in the data, because that would be the only outlier in “national news organizations.”

CLAY: I said before, if Rupert Murdock didn’t exist, as frustrating as the national media industry is in this country right now, you’ve got the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, and Fox in general, Fox News. If Rupert Murdock didn’t exist and those three companies were owned by someone else, think about how much more frustrating it would be. But no, look, I think a lot of people… You’re long-time true believer, right? Like, when you were like 14 years old, you were like —

BUCK: Yeah. I was, like, reading William F. Buckley articles and being like, “He’s the man.”

CLAY: Yes. So I’m a little bit different. And, I imagine, we have a lot of both people in our audience. I had a red pill moment, right? For people out there who are familiar with the phrase, mine was directly connected to the media, and it was because I was in the media.

For those of you out there who don’t know the red pill, go watch the first episode of the Matrix, Matrix 1, phenomenal movie. And I had, as I was in the media, in the sports media, some of you may remember the… Do you remember this, Buck? Did you ever cover it? I’m curious if you did. Do you remember all the protests at Missouri?

BUCK: Yes. Yes.

CLAY: Probably like seven years ago.

BUCK: Mizzou? Is that what you’re talking about?

CLAY: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

BUCK: The state university?

CLAY: Yes. The University of Missouri. They had an argument. They had all these alleged racist incidents, including a poop swastika. It was, like, a big story back in the day. The football team got involved. The football joined the hunger protest and everything else. That, for me, Buck, was… Because I knew… I was covering college football at the time, and I knew the University of Missouri very well.

I knew their football team, their coach and everything else. And I saw the way that national media covered that story as if Mizzou was an awful, racist university filled with subhumans, and I said, “This doesn’t comport in any way with what’s going on.” It came out, basically, that that entire story was a farce.

And when I sort of pulled that thread and looked — or took the red pill and looked — behind the way the media covered it in a desperate, desperate hope that there was going to be rabid racism and antisemitism and that that university was a hot bed of hate. And when I actually saw the facts, I said, “I have to start looking behind some of these stories now and paying way more attention.” You can say I should have done that somewhere earlier.

BUCK: Did you switch your party affiliation as a result of this red pill moment?

CLAY: In many ways, yeah. I mean, I would say I was always a libertarian, kind of a middle of the road. I wasn’t a diehard advocate of either party at that point. I was just kind of frustrated in general. But that moment with Missouri, and then as things continued, for me, probably the biggest tipping point was then on top of it the Brett Kavanaugh hearings. They were so thoroughly unfair.

BUCK: I will tell you that I’ve had long conversations with many conservative friends, and I even said this in my view of conservatism in America, that’s when a lot of us — Brett Kavanaugh, actually —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — is when a lot of us became wartime conservatives.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: We realized, “Oh. Okay. This is about the total annihilation of people based upon evil intent in the pursuit of power from the organized, aggressive left —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: “– and we either meet that full on, or we continue to lose and lose this country.” I think the Brett Kavanaugh moment, in that way… It had a profound impact on me.

CLAY: It crystallized for a lot of people.

BUCK: There were people that you all know from Fox News that I was texting behind the scenes, because I was also in contact with the White House directly during that Brett Kavanaugh situation. They couldn’t believe it. They actually were in true disbelief. And, I mean, some of them — one or two of them actually — were in tears about how ugly what they were doing to Brett Kavanaugh was — I mean, in private would cry when they talked to me about it. These were ladies.

CLAY: I at that point was of the opinion, “I can’t vote on anyone that can participate in a farce like that,” and then obviously covid has just put it on steroids. I mean, all of the insanity. But that’s where it started for me was the, “Wait a minute, how much of what I believe is not true” that I’m getting from the media on a day-to-day basis?

BUCK: You can be Neo and I’ll be Morpheus.

CLAY: (chuckling)

BUCK: I just don’t want to be, like, one of the Agent Smiths or whatever, ’cause those guys are no fun.

CLAY: Yeah, Agent Smith. That first movie, man.

BUCK: It’s amazing.

CLAY: That first Matrix is so good.

BUCK: Top 10 action movies. Matrix 1, top 10 action movies of all time, in my opinion. I think it’s tough to push it out of the top 10.

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Governor Ron DeSantis: Pro-Choice on Masks

31 Aug 2021

CLAY: The federal government is investigating five different states that have allowed parents to make decisions about whether or not their kids wear masks. Among those states: Florida, Tennessee, Texas, I believe Oklahoma, and also a fifth state. Obviously, not a surprise. Red states are being investigated by federal Civil Rights investigators at the Department of Justice. This is pure madness designed to try to make everybody make the exact same decisions.

So, when, Buck — as happens and is already happening — this curve, that now the cases are diminishing in Florida, in Texas, and they’re starting to diminish in Tennessee, already happened in Missouri and Arkansas. When this happens, what usually occurs is the blue check brigade and all the mask mandate losers out there say, “Oh, well, the reason cases started going down,” they’ve been arguing this for 18 months, “is because people started wearing their masks.”

Well, the data doesn’t work if there’s no mask mandate. So Ron DeSantis is now in the middle of a mask fight. We talked about this, on Friday, I think it was, Buck, when a local court in Tallahassee, Florida, said the governor had exceeded his authority. They now are going to appeal. The Department of Justice is involved. Here’s Ron DeSantis on the mask wars.

DESANTIS: Well, it’s going to be appealed. Obviously, it’s problematic. If you look at the ruling, he’s basically saying that it had… It violated the school board. The Parents Bill of Rights violated the school board. But in reality, the school boards weren’t even parties to the case. So I think we can have really good grounds to appeal in terms of the First District Court of Appeal. And look, at the end of the day, what the Parents Bill of Rights requires, in our judgment, is that parents be given the right to opt out.

BUCK: That’s all of the authoritarian impulse. They will always find some way. I remember when the first wave of lock downs was happening, people were very rightly at the time arguing that plenary powers for the states under our constitution are very broad, that essentially if you don’t violate a federal constitutional right and you don’t violate federal law, states can do all kinds of things.

There’s a lot of areas where they have a tremendous amount of leeway. And under health policy, they also have a lot of leeway. And here we are where finally you have a state like Florida where they’re pushing — and by the way, there’s some talk in GOP circles there, with a narrow — a much more narrow majority — about trying to get through an end to employer mandates for vaccines —

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: — which we talked about before. They have already banned at the state level vaccine passports in Florida for customers. So they can’t say, “Show me your vax or you can’t come in.” But they can right now say, “Get the vacs or you get fired.” The legislative session in Florida doesn’t go into effect until January.

But they’re thinking right now about how they could maybe get ahead of that, because it’s kind of like how some of us are worried that if we wait and don’t take action, everything turns into New York City. And, Clay, once everyone gets the shot, then they’ve gotten their way. That’s the whole point. Delay is not on our side here. Time is not on our side.

CLAY: Again, I think the appeal here is significant. I just want to keep emphasizing this. There’s a constant talk from the Fauciites out there that what Ron DeSantis is doing is denying people from wearing masks. That’s not what’s occurring.

BUCK: Yeah, that’s a lie.

CLAY: It’s a lie. He’s giving parents the opportunity to choose whether or not they wear masks. If you are convinced that masks are going to save your children — by the way, the data says that is 100% not true. But as a parent, if you believe your kid needs to wear a mask, they have the right to wear a mask to school in Florida. All this does, right now, Buck — as I think is important to keep emphasizing — is give parents the choice about whether or not their kids should be able to wear masks, and that’s not being allowed.

BUCK: I think a lot of the so-called mitigation measured and the lockdown mentality, Clay, all along has also been infused with… There’s an insecurity that people have. They want you to have to suffer along with them because of their anxiety around covid. Let’s take gyms, for example. If you’re going to go into the gym and you’re going to get onto a treadmill and sweat through your stupid cloth mask that does nothing — which, I’m going to tell you the truth. I had to do that for a while. I’ll never forget.

CLAY: Yeah. My wife lost her mind when they tried to make her do that. Remember we had this conversation.

BUCK: Right. People will say, “Oh you should not comply.” Well, it’s private property and they could evict me from the building, which is what they were threatening to do if you didn’t comply. But if you’re that person, and there’s a person next to you who is roughly the same age, same physical condition who is not wearing a mask and enjoying their workout, you start to think.

“I don’t know, man. “Is this really…? Should I really be doing this? Is it really worth it?” Ah, but if everyone has to suffer together — if the collective can override an individual’s common sense — then you don’t have to worry about being the idiot choking on your mask as you’re on the elliptical machine.

CLAY: Yeah, and this goes, by the way, Buck, to what is so frustrating to me is the fundamental misapprehension of risk. That’s the essence of this in general, right? Covid has been turned into something, where there’s a huge number of 24-year-olds out there who think they’re going to die if they get covid. There’s a lot of 14-year-olds who think that.

There’s a lot of parents who think that that is the truth. And the reality is, again, if you haven’t been wearing a mask for the seasonal flu in your local elementary, middle school, or high school, then you have been taking a bigger risk in your entire life than you are under from covid.

And all of this is… What’s so frustrating is, policies should follow facts. That should be what happens in this country. “Here are the facts. Let’s craft a policy considering the facts that makes logical sense,” and what we’ve ended up with is science is now so political, that if you even talk about facts, you want somebody’s grandma to die, how dare you!

BUCK: And isn’t it funny how the people right now who are complaining about the politicization, early on were the ones who politicized it and insisted that it was just the science.

CLAY: Oh of course. Yeah.

BUCK: And now they’re saying, “Oh, the whole thing has become political.”

CLAY: We’re the party of science.

BUCK: This is like how the mainstream, or — I don’t like that term, actually — the corporate, Democrat media, now decries, “Oh, media has become so partisan.” No, it’s just because we’ve realized that they’re partisans and now there’s some answer to it on the other side. But they were partisans all along. The covid lockdowners were the original politicizers of this.

And as you and I discussed many times on the air — and I don’t want to go down into this, because we have other news and things to get to — but all you have to remember is the lockdowns with BLM and how they treated them.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That’s it. That’s all you need to know. And the way the blue check brigades and the Fauciites made excuses for protests that not only were useless, Clay, but were counterproductive for the purpose of making people safer and having their rights respected in America, that led to more misery, destruction and death. Congrats, BLM 2.0! That’s what actually happened — and they were willing to change the covid rules for that. Anyway, so we know where the politicization came from.

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L.A. Teachers Union Prez Spouts Colossal Ignorance

31 Aug 2021

CLAY: I don’t want the failures of the teachers unions to completely escape when it comes to, I think, really, they being (laughing) basically the worst people on the planet as it pertains to covid lockdowns, which is really saying something. And in particular, this woman, Myart-Cruz, who is the head of the L.A. Teachers Union has one of the most ridiculous quotes I’ve ever seen associated with the covid lockdowns and the facts that kids were out of school in L.A. from March mostly all through last year.

If you’re a public school kid, here’s what she said about the kids — 600,000, by the way, kids in the Los Angeles area — in kindergarten through 12th grade. “Our kids didn’t lose anything. It’s OK that our babies may not have learned all their times tables. They learned resilience. They learned survival. They learned critical-thinking skills. They know the difference between a ‘riot’ and a ‘protest.’ They know the words ‘insurrection’ and ‘coup.'”

That is a quote. She even went further and said “that ‘learning loss’ is a fake crisis” used to manipulate people.” Buck, when you hear, “They know the difference between a ‘riot’ and a ‘protest.’ They know the words ‘insurrection’ and ‘coup,'” we know the data. The data reflects the poorest kids and the least advantaged kids by far the biggest loser as it pertained to education, their educational skills that they will not have for the rest of their lives. The L.A. Teachers Union, if it had any soul, if it had any basis in intelligent thought whatsoever, would kick this woman to the curb as soon as they saw these quotes.

BUCK: Completely unacceptable, and yet she represents them perfectly. She is what the teachers unions have become, which are self-serving commie indoctrination centers. This is what teachers unions across America have devolved into. We see this from the fact that while there were people showing up — frontline workers all over America — teachers figured, “Too dangerous for us to have to be in school with kids,” even though kids as we know very unlikely to get it, and unlikely to spread it, at least at that time.

This is, remember, pre-Delta variant. And the Delta variant is not substantially more dangerous to kits despite some of the reporting on that six weeks ago. It is more transmissible, more easily transmissible among people. But when she says things like, “They know the difference between … They know the words ‘insurrection’ and ‘coup,'” she’s saying the quiet part out loud.

(translated) “Your kids in the public school system in Los Angeles may not be able to spell or do their multiplication tables, but darn it, they know how to get out there and chant, ‘Whose streets? Our streets!’ They know how to put up the black square of BLM on their Instagram accounts. They know that they’re supposed to hate people who voted for Donald Trump, even though they’re too young to vote and don’t know anything about politics.”

Clay, this is in L.A., but this is a teachers union head who is speaking for the public school system writ large across most of blue state America. This is how they think. This is how they operate.

CLAY: What about the difference between a riot and a protest? Do you really think the kids know the difference between a riot and a protest? They may know the difference between a riot and protest as pertains to CNN saying it’s a mostly peaceful protest.

BUCK: Yes. I think they have been taught what the Democrat version of it is, which is a protest is anything that Democrats want to call it, when it involves a large group of people doing something —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — and a riot is anything that involves people who says the word patriot, freedom or America too many times and is not waving a BLM flag. I think they probably have been taught that false separation.

CLAY: Yeah, what’s so frustrating, too, about many of those comments from this L.A. Teachers Union head is she specifically references the “times tables.” First of all, I think it’s timetables, right, not times tables. I may not be an expert on that, but I think that she misspoke there, which you would hope that somebody would get something basic like that right. But math is, to me, the essence of something that should not be political and that everyone has to learn in order to have a modicum of ability in the classroom. We can argue —

BUCK: Well, you’re lucky that Ms. Myart-Cruz, Clay, isn’t here to tell you how racist that is.

CLAY: (laughing) Yeah, I don’t even know what race Miss Myart-Cruz is to be honest. But I will say this: If you are arguing that these kids have not been tremendously disadvantaged and failed by all adults — particularly the teachers union — then you, my friend, lack basic comprehension of data, which is probably true. And it’s reflective of the fact that you yourself did not learn your math very well.

Because all sorts of nonpartisan entities — McKenzie Group, for example — came out with data showing the massive amount of learning loss that occurred with schools being shut down. And the places that had biggest learning losses were the kids had the most disadvantaged, kids without WiFi at home, kids without parents able to make sure they’re paying attention if there is some remote learning instruction going on.

Kids who don’t have the resources to be able to fall further behind, and that doesn’t even consider all of the lost meals. Buck, I saw the data that came out on the flip side. When we told the kids to go stay home and we shut down playgrounds and we took rims off of the basketball hoops and we took down tennis nets and we filled in skate parks, do you know what happened for kids ages 5 to 11?

The obesity rate in this country skyrocketed! The most important thing anybody out there can do for their health as it pertains to being in as good of shape as possible is to lose weight and eat healthy. That’s something you can control, and yet the obesity rate in this country for kids age 5 to 11 skyrocketed. Overall weight gain for Americans of all different stripes skyrocketed as well, because we gave the worst possible advice. We should have mandated gym memberships instead of masks.

BUCK: It’s hard for even adults, and I can tell you I put on the covid 15. I’m down like 5 of it, I think, maybe.

CLAY: Yeah, I saw you just scarfing down that hamburger. (laughing)

BUCK: Hey! Hey! You settle down.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: That was at a commercial break. That’s sacred.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But I gotta say, man, if you’re going to tell kids that they have to stay home — all right, they have to stay home, they can’t exercise, they can’t get out there — of course there are going to be health implications for them. Of course, there are going to be things like that that come up.

And, yet, the idea that this woman, going back to what she said about “learning loss…” This is from the article, Clay, from the Los Angeles Times Magazine article. Quote, “She even went so far as to suggest darkly that ‘learning loss’ is a fake crisis marketed by shadowy purveyors of clinical and classroom assessments,” i.e., they want to pretend that kids who did not show up for Zoom at all, which was a huge issue across the country —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — or were sitting there with Zoom and having no interaction with adults, no interaction with their peers, that they didn’t actually do work?

By the way, the testing already shows that what she’s saying is a lie. But see this is the Democrat power apparatus. That’s what the teachers unions are really all about: Jobs programs for adults and pushing commie ideology as far as they possibly can across the country. The Democrat Party’s all in on it.

So the lie about… I mean, what could be more important than to know whether or not this experiment in distance learning was a disaster?

CLAY: Which it was.

BUCK: Of course!

CLAY: Maybe she doesn’t know her “times tables” well enough to be able to look at the data and actually see how much she failed all of the kids she ostensibly is trying to help educate.

BUCK: Let it be known: You mess up your singular and plural and Professor Travis…

CLAY: Am I crazy or should it be timetables?

BUCK: You have kids.

CLAY: Is it timetables or times tables?

BUCK: I haven’t looked at a timetable since people were listening to VHS cassettes or whatever. We had the little tapes.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: So it’s been a long time.

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Crazy Covid Rules at Buck’s Alma Mater

31 Aug 2021

BUCK: Amherst College, where I went to school — not to be confused with UMass Amherst, which was right down the road. It’s a different school; people always get them confused. I went to Amherst College, and the town, at one point, banned the use of nuclear weapons through the town council. That’s the kind of crazy. The U.N. flag was, I believe, flying above the American flag in the town square for a while. I may or may not have known somebody who pulled it down. I don’t know. I heard a rumor about a guy who did that, maybe. The U.N. flag.

CLAY: I don’t know the U.N. flag. Most people wouldn’t recognize the U.N. flag.

BUCK: It’s like a powder puff blue color. (impression) It’s like, “Oh, we have a flag, too.”

CLAY: It’s the Taliban’s new flag.

BUCK: So Amherst is three-square miles surrounded by reality, is what we say, a little town up in central Massachusetts. And, Clay, my alma mater now has a covid policy, where you must be vaccinated, okay?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You have to be vaccinated to be a student there. No ifs, ands or buts, no exceptions. And they don’t allow any more people to walk into the town unless it is for a pharmacy run or banking purposes.

CLAY: How close is the town?

BUCK: And the dining hall is closed — you have to take the food out — and there are group restrictions. You can’t have more than 25 people together unless you’re all masked!

CLAY: How close is the town?

BUCK: A hundred yards.

CLAY: So they are not allowing people to walk into the little town at all.

BUCK: Yes. They’re like, “You are not allowed to go into town to get pizza, to go buy some comics” or whatever the kids do these days. Not allowed to do it.

CLAY: (laughing) Comics!

BUCK: Sorry. That was some old timey stuff right there.

CLAY: Yeah. They’re going to go get their record players and their comics.

BUCK: (laughing) How much dumber is it going to get, Clay, before everyone has to admit the lockdowners have lost their minds? I’m just wondering.

CLAY: I think a key move here… Have you seen Australia? Australia has basically just come out publicly and said, “Hey, we kind of blew it. Covid Zero isn’t a reality.” I just tweeted out the graphic. Look at all the lockdowns that are going on there. It’s crazy.

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Psaki Bombs Again: Americans Stranded

31 Aug 2021

CLAY: Do you remember, because certainly we do, we played this clip for you. Remember how Jen Psaki, Psaki bomb herself, Little Red Lying Hood, how she said how she was really offended when Peter Doocy of Fox News pointed out that we were likely to be stranding, likely to be stranding people in Afghanistan, she had a real issue with the use of the word “stranded.” Let’s listen to that clip and refresh your memory.

PSAKI: First of all, I think it’s irresponsible to say Americans are “stranded.” They are not! We are committed to bringing Americans who want to come home, home. We are in touch of them via phone, via text, via email, via any way that we can possibly reach Americans to get them home if they want to return home.

DOOCY: There are no Americans stranded is the White House’s official position on what’s happening in Afghanistan right now?

PSAKI: I’m just calling you out for saying that we are stranding Americans in Afghanistan when I suh — when we have been very clear that we are not leaving Americans who want to return home. We are going to bring them home, and I think that’s important for the American public to hear and understand.

CLAY: That might have been important for them to hear and understand, but they can now hear and understand that you were lying, because this is what Pentagon Spokesperson Kirby said just yesterday about people being left behind, a/k/a stranded in Afghanistan American citizens.

WILLIE GEIST: So what does that look like? How does diplomacy get those people out of Taliban controlled Afghanistan?

JOHN KIRBY: It’s not completely unlike the way we do it elsewhere around the world. I mean, we have, uhh, Americans that get stranded in — in — uhhh, in countries all the time.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: First of all, Clay, do you think if Peter Doocy gets an “I’m sorry note” and maybe a fruit basket or something from Jen Psaki, because I think he deserves one after the press secretary there was being so huffy.

CLAY: So many lies did they get caught in so quickly, Buck. It’s different than, hey, if you give me an opinion and the opinion can be right or wrong. But to be so earnest about the fact that no one was going to be stranded and then have your own Pentagon saying, “Oh, we strand people all the time!”

BUCK: Yeah, look, so of course, the Biden administration has the messaging during this has been a disaster because it’s messaging about a disaster, right? They can’t hide from the videos that we’ve all seen, and this is different, as we’ve pointed out, than what you would have in other situations where an authoritarian regime — whether it’s the Iranians, Chinese, the Russians — could shut down things, unrest, and things like that that they don’t like.

I had friends who were texting me, “Hey, I’m texting with so-and-so on the ground right now, in Afghanistan. Here’s what he’s telling me,” or, “Here’s the photo that is being sent out right now, what the checkpoints look like.” So, it’s a very different circumstance as a result of that. They couldn’t really control the messaging.

But on the issue of the… Okay. So you rightly have now fileted that lie like a fish, right? I mean, clearly it was a big lie that they weren’t stranded or they weren’t going to be stranded. What do we do about it at this phase, though? This is where we are all reminded of the fact that the Taliban not only had leverage up to the point when the last — and there’s that now soon-to-be-iconic photo of the last U.S. soldier leaving Afghanistan in the back of a transport plane.

But, Clay, we’re going to have to ask the Taliban very nicely. Sure, we’re going to say, “Oh, if you don’t give us back our people…” But they’re going to say, “Oh, we have to vet. We have our own processes.” And it will be a drip, drip, drip of people able to leave. And this, I think, best case scenario, of Americans.

By the way, the Afghans who were left behind? I hope God is with them and keeps them safe, because we will not be able to do much for them right now at all. There’s already reports of door-to-door executions going on. But put aside the Afghans that were left behind who were with us. The Americans that were left behind, the Taliban’s got these great bargaining chips. Bargaining chips that they’re going to use very effectively in the weeks and months ahead. That’s what we’re up against.

CLAY: And not only the Taliban, Buck, all of these other terrorist organizations which could, in theory, be able to either kidnap and try to hold for ransom American citizens. They could torture and kill American citizens, as we have seen many of these different terror groups do in an effort to have videos go viral.

A way to think about it, I think, is there were some 50-some-odd people who were caught in the embassy in Tehran back in the day with Jimmy Carter and all the chaos that befell that situation. There are hundreds of American citizens now left behind in Afghanistan. How many of those American citizens are in danger of violent death and/or terror?

I would think all of them, and it’s not just from the Taliban — who I don’t think we can trust — but, we know ISIS-K is trying to blow up everything. We know Al-Qaeda is moving into Afghanistan. There are a lot of different groups over and above the Taliban that could be taking advantage of these American citizens.

BUCK: We heard from General McKenzie yesterday, specifically about how many ISIS-K — what they describe as the “hardcore fighters” — there are. Remember this is the Islamic State Khorasan branch, because the Islamic State project that began in Syria and spread into Iraq very quickly under the Obama administration — we all remember the rise of ISIS, which they bizarrely insisted on calling ISIL.

Now, no one called it that. But the people in the Obama administration were very high on thinking they were just smarter than everybody else. That group set up franchises, effectively, all over. ISIS-K is the Afghanistan franchise. That’s how they refer to Khorasan. As I’ve explained, it comes from a hadith about black banners marching all the way to Jerusalem from what is today’s Afghanistan. There’s a whole end-of-days thing, Clay, but we won’t get into that right now.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But here’s what the general says about how many of those fighters — not Taliban, ISIS-K fighters — are in Afghanistan.

MCKENZIE: They remain a very lethal force, and I think we would assess that probably there are at least 2,000 hardcore ISIS fighters in Afghanistan now. And of course, many of those come from the prisons that were — that were opened a few — a few days ago. So that number is up and is probably as high as it’s ever been in quite a while.

BUCK: It’s higher than that. I can tell you. Whatever they say the number is right now — having not just read, but written a lot of intelligence assessments and seeing how this stuff gets processed at the top level when it finally is published. If they say 2,000, Clay, I would say it’s more like 10,000. And what’s fascinating to see play out is you have Taliban. You have the Haqqani Network, which is largely Pakistani based, but very involved in the Taliban, as well.

Now, of course, all over Afghanistan — already at the senior leadership level of the Taliban — you have Al-Qaeda, you have ISIS. You have these different factions that are all in this soup of jihad-ism, and while the Taliban right now may find it in their interest in their being — “pragmatic,” is the word of the day this Biden administration is using. ISIS-K could… The most committed often wins. They could start making some gains. They could all of a sudden… “Who knows how that is going to play out?” is what I’m saying. So we’re in a volatile situation even beyond just the realities of the Taliban.

CLAY: It’s possible that Afghanistan will descend into full-on civil war with multiple different terrorists or terrorist-aligned organizations controlling different parts of this country, feuding with each other, making it that much more difficult, I would imagine, for American intelligence — which has already failed on an epic level in Afghanistan — to be able to figure out who the most dangerous aspects and proponents of terrorism in this country are.

All the while, not having an easy method by which to get people out of the country. We played in the first hour — and I think it’s significant, Buck — a family of four from Houston. They have American passports. They are American citizens. They were unable to get out of Afghanistan. Can you even imagine? Can you even imagine what it is like to be an American citizen who is now shut into Afghanistan with our troops having abandoned you and left you?

BUCK: Oh, it’s a nightmare.

CLAY: It’s terrifying.

BUCK: It’s a nightmare. But think about it, Clay, we know that going back to the stranded Americans — yes, “stranded” is the word.

CLAY: It’s the right word.

BUCK: This is a… It feels more like a de facto hostage situation, right?

CLAY: Yes. That’s what I think everybody is afraid of.

BUCK: They were prevented from actually getting to the airport by the Taliban. You have to wonder why they did that and whom they chose. Remember the lists that they said, the American lists that were handed out. The Biden administration said they were, and then they said they weren’t. Some were prevented from getting to the airport. But as we go forward here, I think the idea would have been early on, “Oh, do you know what? Fine, we’ll pull out of Afghanistan, Clay.

“But we’ll make sure that we isolate Afghanistan. We’ll make sure we bring all this diplomatic pressure to bear so the Taliban knows that there’s still a pariah state and all the rest of it.” That’s going to be a lot harder while our diplomats are meeting with them in Qatar or the UAE or whatever, as well as other diplomats around the world. We’re not going to be able to tell China, for example, “Hey all these business projects you’re planning in Afghanistan, the pipelines you’re thinking about, whatever it may be, don’t do that.”

Because the Chinese will look at us and say, “They’ve got your people. Don’t you want your people back?” The leverage this creates for them diplomatically is going to mean… I think they’re smart enough to see, at least over the next six to 12 months. They will enmesh themselves into the international community. You will have Taliban dudes walking around the capitals of our allies having meetings within six to 12 months. That’s what I think’s going to happen.

CLAY: Here also… Let me just mention, the CNN, the family of four. I can’t get out of my head right now what the dad is hearing from the mom about being stuck in Afghanistan right now. According to Clarissa Ward’s story, they went over to go visit a family. Everybody who is married. Buck, you’re not married right now. Any time you make a bad decision as the dad.

BUCK: And never have been by the way.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Can I just say?

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: The Internet says I am married. That is false.

CLAY: Yeah. (laughing)

BUCK: That has been pointed out to me recently. I have never been married.

CLAY: Let me give you a little tip right now. As soon as you are the dad, any time you make a decision that is bad, your wife remembers your errors forever. So I’m just trying to picture, in addition to the fact that you are stuck in Afghanistan, if the dad was the one who said, “Oh, yeah, trust me. We can get over to Afghanistan and go visit the family. The Taliban’s not going to take over the country right now. We’ll be fine. We’ll take the kids. We’ll fly over from Houston. Everything will go smooth.”

I don’t know. That poor dad right now, if he… Can you imagine? Every married man out there right now, if you were the dad who had been like, “Hey, we got time to get to Afghanistan. We’re going to go visit the family. Everything is going to go fine.” That woman — they’re sitting in some awful place right now unable to get out — she’s just over and over again saying, “You said this was going to be fine. You said we were going to be able to get out.”

BUCK: Oh, you do not want to be the dad holding up an old map saying, “I know where I am. The Khyber Pass is just around the corner. Pakistan is right there.”

CLAY: I don’t want to be the man who messes up the family trip to Disney World. I can’t even imagine the dad who messed up the family trip to Afghanistan and now has the whole family stuck over there.

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If Gavin Newsom Loses, It’ll Be Because of Moms Like This

31 Aug 2021

BUCK: Katie in Costa Mesa, California. A lot of… (chuckles) The California folks are fired up about the California teachers union lady.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Yeah. Katie, what’s up.

CALLER: Hello, boys, how are you today?

CLAY: Excellent.

BUCK: We’re good!

CALLER: Megaittos, because I listened to Rush for years so I have to say it. I am a fired-up mama bear.

CLAY: Yep.

CALLER: I have been a pharmaceutical representative for 19 years, and in my life, I have never sold a medication or represented one to help people that hasn’t been fully FDA-approved with an adult indication. And the side-effect profile of this alleged PI, this BioNTech medication, I encourage everyone to go read it online.

There is a lot of stuff missing that I speak with doctors on vaccination about over the last 19 years. There’s no data on how it’s excreted in the human body, the pharmacodynamics of it, the bioavailability. These are all things we need to know so we can make informed consent. And I have a very big problem with any medication that is tested on people with the adverse events that you keep hearing about. People can go to the VAERS system and look themselves. It’s there. There have been reports on it.

And I often hear people say, “Oh, I got shingles after it” or something. It doesn’t matter what you get after the vaccine. It needs to be reported, whether or not it’s caused by this medication or not. I’m instructed to do that with my job when anything happens. And I’ll tell you what: This going after children and putting them in at an experimental age before the adult indication has been out fully approved for a while, should scare everybody.

BUCK: Just real quick, Katie.

CALLER: Yes.

BUCK: You mentioned VAERS. That’s the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, VAERS, and it’s where anything bad — right, Katie — that happens for a vaccine is supposed to be reported into the whole system.

CALLER: Basically, anything that happens to you after you get this — whatever happens to you, it does not matter — those get reported. When I talk about adverse events with my practitioners, it doesn’t matter what happened to that person during that study, it is put in there as an adverse event. Even if it’s nasal pharyngitis or something like that. It gets put into the system, and these people who don’t have a reporting… Believe me, I hear it out in the field all the time, “Oh this happened to me.” This should scare everybody. And I tell you what: I am not an anti-vaxxer.

My children and I have all of our vaccines. We got the flu shot last year. But I tell you what: I am not going to get this. My children will not get this. My husband is not going to get this. Because there is not enough for me to make an informed decision and consent to put that in my body until I know. And after 19 years of doing this, people should realize that this is not being rolled out the correct way and that scares me.

BUCK: Katie, we appreciate it. Fired up grizzly mama bear here. We like it and appreciate it.

CLAY: There was a big article. Did you see it in the LA Times, Buck? I’ve been talking about the mom revolution. If Gavin Newsom loses, it will be because of moms like Katie out there that are fed up all over California.

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CALLER: Yes, I just had a quick question. Everyone is worried about — which I understand — trying to get military and everybody out of Afghanistan. But I haven’t heard anything about fundraisers that are trying to pull out the canines. I did police canine training back in California, working with some military canines in Rhode Island. I don’t think people understand how important those dogs actually are, and I don’t know if you guys have heard anything or if you know anything about fundraisers or what they’re actually trying to do to pull these dogs out.

CLAY: Yeah, thanks for the call, Ryan. We’ve seen the viral video and footage on social media, like many of you have, I think just further reinforcing, Buck, the calamitous nature by which we withdrew from Afghanistan. We left behind people, and we may well have left behind canine guide dogs, guard dogs that we were using.

BUCK: These are dogs… I’ve been around some of these dogs in Afghanistan. The relationship that a canine handler… Ryan can speak to this. The relationship that a canine handler has with this animal is a sacred bond, because they rely on these animals not just as a companion animal. They rely on them to save their lives, to sniff out bombs.

They’ll have Belgian Malinois. You get some of the SEAL teams together and some of the different special operations forces and just military in general; they’ll send these dogs in and they’ll end up grabbing a bad guy so that he can’t actually use the AK and send some of ours home in a coffin.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That’s the kind of stuff these animals have done. So, yes, of course, first priority is the Americans. The first priority is the human beings need to get out of there. We can still be very sad. I’m very sad! I love dogs, Clay. I love them.

CLAY: I just think it speaks for the incompetence, right? To his answer, I have not seen… We don’t know 100% what the story is there. There’s so much chaos and confusion. We’ve seen those viral videos, those viral photographs. But I haven’t seen a legitimate, “Hey, this is 100% true story” on those yet.

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