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Pelosi Vetoes Jordan for Jan. 6th Committee

21 Jul 2021

BUCK: We have some breaking news for you right now. We’ve been discussing the January 6 committee — the “insurrection,” as they call it, even though not a single person involved has been charged with insurrection or rebellion. In fact, it’s mostly just trespassing, some destruction of property and some people who assaulted law enforcement.

Generally, the left is fine with assaulting law enforcement as long as it’s under the banner of BLM or Antifa. But we’re gonna have to go through this again with the January 6 committee, which is really just meant to make sure no one spends time thinking about how ineffective, absurd, and blundering Joe Biden and his entire administration have been so far.

So we’re gonna hear about the threat to our democracy every day from now until the midterms. Get ready for it, and that’s always the tell among lib journos, when they use the term “threat to democracy,” even in a context sometimes of justifying their own threats to democracy like — oh, I don’t know — fleeing the Texas state capitol, halting the business of the Texas legislature because they’re upset about something.

But the breaking news for you is that is that the GOP is pulling — McCarthy is pulling — all Republican members from the January 6 committee because Speaker Pelosi vetoed the appointment of representative Jim Banks and, Clay, our friend Jim Jordan who we think we’ll be having on later on in the week. Turns out Pelosi really doesn’t want fighters who know this game on that commission. I wonder why.

CLAY: Well, I think you were prescient on this because ultimately this is going to be what the Democrats are left with, right? Because they’re not gonna be able to run on crime, and we’re gonna get into that in a little bit because of the rampaging rates of crime accelerating across the country. They’re not going to be able to run on certainly the economy with inflation roaring back where it is right now.

We’ll see whether this massive multitrillion-dollar budget can get through or not. The border is a disaster, and so if you’re trying to play where can you focus and argue that you’ve made a tremendous difference, I think they’re gonna be left with covid — if covid continues to decline — and the insurrection. In other words, “If you vote for Republicans in 2022,” they are going to be saying, “you are threatening the very core of democracy because look at what happened in 2020,” and they’re just gonna keep beating the drum over and over again.

BUCK: Don’t look at results. Don’t look at inflation. Don’t look at the border. The border’s the worst it’s ever been. We talked to Senator Ted Cruz about this yesterday. Don’t pay attention. Don’t listen to your lying eyes or your ears or whatever. Listen to what Jen Psaki bomb has to say about the situation. That’s what they want you to know.

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C&B Book Recommendation: The Ghost Map

21 Jul 2021

CLAY: I like to give out book recommendations, ’cause I’m an old man who still reads print publications a lot. The Ghost Map. The book that I was referencing is The Ghost Map: The Story of London’s Most Terrifying Epidemic — and How it Changed Science, Cities and the Modern World.

It’s the story of England in the nineteenth century. You’ve read it as well, Buck. It’s about John Snow, a (I would say) rebel physician who challenged the prevailing mores of science to demonstrate that cholera was spread through water, not by basically smell, which was the idea at the time of how viruses spread.

BUCK: It turned out that “Jon Snow” did not “know nothing” —

CLAY: (chuckling) Yes.

BUCK: — for you Game of Thrones fans. So, Dr. John Snow, that was a womp, womp.

CLAY: Different “Jon Snow.”

BUCK: Different “Jon Snow.” I think that’s important because Clay and I are always talking off air as well, and we’ve got a million ideas we always want to get on the show, and one thing is just, I believe — and Clay and I share this ’cause we both do like to geek out on history stuff — that if people knew the history of modern meds, specifically how breakthroughs have always come in the face of consensus and expert opposition, they would feel very differently.

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Origin of Covid: The Biggest Story of Our Lives?

21 Jul 2021

BUCK: You could also make the case this may be one of the biggest stories in the world for a very long time, the origins of the biggest pandemic we’ve seen in a hundred years, one that we are still dealing with today. And if we are gonna be serious about not only getting out of this one but being better prepared for the next one — and given population growth and density and the fact that we now know that there are people out there who can play with viruses.

I don’t want to get all Tom Clancy and start thinking about what the long-term thriller novel implications of this are. But clearly gain-of-function research is real and going on, and we’re thinking about it in the context, Clay, when you’re talking about it how we can use it for good.

CLAY: Right. That’s the hope, right.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: That’s the only reason to do it, honestly.

BUCK: It could also be used for evil, which I think now everyone is well aware of, and if something like this could be going on in a lab in China, where else could this be happening? But with all this, accountability is essential. Who knew what, when? What decisions were made by different individuals in positions of power during this pandemic? Senator Rand Paul (who as Clay said, will be with us later) had the following to share with us. Well, he said this on TV, that he’s pushing for Dr. Fauci to be held accountable legally.

PAUL: Yes. And I will be sending a letter to the Department of Justice asking for a criminal referral because he has lied to Congress. We have scientists that will line up by the dozens to say that the research he was funding was gain-of-function. He’s doing this because he has a self-interest to cover his tracks and to cover his connection to Wuhan lab. Now, does he deserve all of the blame? No. There’s still some conjecture as to whether or not it came from the lab. But he’s lying about whether or not he funded gain-of-function research. And, yes, he should be punished.

BUCK: We’re gonna have to push him on this. That’s a big allegation.

CLAY: It’s massive, and look, again: I don’t think it’s crazy to say that this could be the biggest story of most of our lives. If the United States was in any way partly responsible through gain-of-function research for helping to lead to the creation of a virus that otherwise would not have existed, that escaped from a Chinese lab, and that has been responsible for the death of millions of people who have died with covid.

I say “with” because a lot of these people had comorbidities. They were elderly; they may have died of other causes as well. But still, the very essence of how this happened — and, Buck, to your point, this is a Frankenstein-like situation with a virus where you create something with the idea of doing good and instead you create ill.

And I think the scary thing about this, as you just mentioned, is this gain-of-function research could lead to future covids down the line where nefarious actors — who are intentionally making as virulent and dangerous of a virus as is possible — are then intent on unleashing it upon the globe in an effort to terrorize and destroy the world as we know it. That isn’t a crazy idea at all. We think of terrorism as being something that occurs in a 9/11 context or bombing context. But the scariest way for terrorism to emerge in the future is bioterror.

BUCK: We know that this virus attacks certain comorbidities, Clay. There also could be ways to adjust it that it would go after certain genetic markers.

CLAY: Younger people.

BUCK: You start to look at what this could do and it’s terrifying.

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Fauci’s a Fantastic Fraud, Not a Hero

21 Jul 2021

CLAY: We are going to be joined by the man in the middle of a congressional debate that is of incredibly high significance: Where did covid come from, and how much might the United States (including Dr. Fauci himself) have helped to engineer this virus via gain-of-function research if, in fact, it all came from that research?

Which we still do not know.

By the way, of course, these were comments that I just opened the show with, that if you even suggested on social media in recent history, Buck, you were not allowed to have that conversation. And this all is tied into one of the biggest stories maybe in American history, if it’s determined that Dr. Fauci has been lying about the United States’ role in helping to support gain-of-function research on coronaviruses that led to an outbreak that has devastated — in many parts of the globe — the economic and life of many.

This is… I know sometimes in the media people will exaggerate for effect and say, “Oh, this is a really big story,” but this is a pretty monumentally massive story, Buck Sexton, and we are going to discuss this in great detail.

BUCK: I mean, a big part of it is, if there was even an effort — and let’s just say that we will cede some degree of good faith to the other side that I don’t think it deserves, meaning the Fauci-ites and the international health bureaucracy consensus that clearly was coordinating in the beginning and deciding what the official narrative would be, even if we would concede, “You know what?

“They really did think that this probably came from the wet market and not from the lab,” the fact that they would then, as scientists, be a part of a suppression campaign of what was clearly a possible theory and therefore one that should be disproven, right? The hypothesis should have been tested, not discarded.

That brings up a whole lot of other questions about why do we continue to live in a society — at least I could speak here in America, and it’s true in a lot of other places around the world — where we hold up Fauci and those like him as though they haven’t been wrong.

As though they haven’t been dishonest, as though they are heroes that we should all follow blindly into massive transformation of our society, abandoning key aspects, key points of our constitutional protections and of our day-to-day lives. These people, meaning the Fauci-ites, made it so you couldn’t go to church or synagogue or mosque or wherever for months!

CLAY: Or school or work.

BUCK: For months on end. But on the religious side of it, it’s a clear constitutional violation, and the fact of the matter is that judges were too cowardly to say, “Sorry, you don’t get to just make some determination about the big box store can be open to go buy a lawn mower,” this was true in California, “but your church is shut down ’cause that’s not important; the lawn mower store is important.”

CLAY: Or the protests are permissible all over the streets in the country, but you’re not allowed to go to church.

BUCK: That was a critical moment, Clay, because that was the breaking point for people who are willing to hear out… Look, in the beginning, I still say, two weeks was a valid plan. Everyone just lock it down for two weeks while we figure out what’s going on. I think that that’s a reasonable thing to do based on what we were seeing then. But it was two weeks. It wasn’t six months.

It wasn’t 18 months. And it wasn’t what we’re seeing now, which is a transfer of the initial pitch into Forever Covid, which is what we’re facing, the Forever Fauci-ism. And I very much want to tell people that say “mask up,” this is what sane people, this is what smart people do — to “go Fauci” themselves. And Fauci is clearly, clearly personally offended by the notion that he may have been a part of the suppression of the lab leak theory in the beginning. This is why we had that fiery exchange with Rand Paul.

CLAY: And we’re setting the table, by the way, Buck, because Rand Paul is going to be with us live on the program in the third hour here to help us understand his arguments in a way that isn’t actually being shared — go figure — about many people in the media. But if you missed this, this is a portion (cut 3) of what happened yesterday in an explosive Senate hearing, Senator Rand Paul going after Dr. Fauci.

FAUCI: If the point that you are making is that the fah — the grant that was funded as a subaward from Eco Health to Wuhan created SARS-Cov-2 — that’s where you are getting… Let me finish!

PAUL: We don’t know.

FAUCI: Wait a minute!

PAUL: We don’t know that.

FAUCI: (sputtering)

PAUL: But all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab —

FAUCI: You —

PAUL: — and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab, including yourself.

FAUCI: It is molecularly impossible!

PAUL: No one’s saying those viruses caused it.

FAUCI: (sputtering)

PAUL: No one is alleging those viruses caused the pandemic. What we’re alleging is, the gain-of-function research was going on in that lap and NIH funded it.

FAUCI: That is not —

PAUL: You can’t get away from it. It meets your definition, and you are obfuscating the truth.

FAUCI: (sputters) I want everyone to understand that if you look at those viruses — and that’s judged by qualified virologists and evolutionary biologists — those viruses are molecularly impossible to result —

PAUL: No one’s saying they are!

FAUCI: — in SARS-Cov2.

PAUL: No one’s saying those viruses caused the pandemic!

FAUCI: And you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individual. (sic)

PAUL: It could have.

FAUCI: I totally resent that —

PAUL: And it could have been.

FAUCI: — and if anybody —

PAUL: It could have been.

FAUCI: — is lying here, Senator, it is you.

CLAY: This is my understanding. You tell me if you understand it differently, Buck, but I do think there’s a lot of people out there who don’t understand gain-of-function research. It’s basically biologically in a lab as opposed to naturally in the world creating a virus that is dangerous, with the idea being that in creating these dangerous viruses, we can help to better understand if they naturally emerge in the world and we have to respond to them. The idea with gain-of-function is that’s what we’re trying to, basically. Right.

BUCK: They tweak existing viruses.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And this is essential because —

CLAY: To make them more virulent.

BUCK: That’s right. They usually make it more transmissible, and in some cases maybe even more dangerous to humans. And this is why the actual amino acid chains that are present covid-19 are central to the debate over whether this came from a lab or not. Because there are some telltale signs, some fingerprints that you can see (so to speak) through gain-of-function research.

And it seems — some scientists are already saying — that those are present with covid-19. But I also think, Clay, there’s a broader issue that has to be addressed in the background of the whole gain-of-function/Fauci debacle here, and that is consensus is not science. And this idea that you get a bunch of people together who say, “We think the following; therefore, everyone else needs to shut up and do what we say”?

This should not exist in a free society, and if you actually go — and it’s fascinating to do so. If you go and look at the history of modern medicine, at various points you will see the most elite scientific communities in the world were flat-out wrong as wrong can possibly be. I mean, in the Victorian period in England, they believed that you would get cholera from miasma. They called it the Miasmatic Theory.

CLAY: There’s a great book, by the way, about how they determined where cholera came from. Steven Johnson wrote a great book.

BUCK: It was Dr. John Snow —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — who’s going around saying, “Guys, I really think it’s from the water, and let me show you the data.” And the Faucis of that time, the Faucis of that mid-nineteenth century, mid-/late nineteenth century period were saying that’s crazy, we know it’s in the miasma. They had absolutely no idea.

Dr. Joseph Lister is, a Scotsman, was trying to present to everybody, “If only we would clean surgically instruments, we would prevent infection.” Believe it or not, at that period of time — and this actually, unfortunately, related to James Garfield after he was shot in the back and they had the doctors trying to treat him. Those doctors refused Lister’s idea of, “Clean the instruments; do antisepsis,” which is what it was called.

Doctors at that — and when I say “doctors,” I mean the London College of Medicine.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The top in the world were absolutely convinced that it was actually a mark of how good a doctor you were to have filthy garments that had all the blood and splatter and everything. It was like a badge of honor. I mean, the absolute — from a bacteriological and epidemiological perspective — worst thing you could do.

I mean, Clay, we could go on and on. I’ve done whole studies and gone on long rants before about cholera outbreaks here in New York City. The biggest bank in the world, J. P. Morgan, was founded essentially as a charter in New York going back to the time of Hamilton and Jefferson. It was founded so they could have clean water in New York City.

That’s where it became Chemical Bank and then it was acquired by JPMorgan because they were trying to figure out what do you do with cholera. But even then there was pushback. My point here, Clay — and I know you and I see this the same way — is consensus does not determine the truth. Consensus is just group opinion. And if we keep getting battered into submission by people with lab coats who have authoritarian and clearly left-wing sympathies, we’re gonna get dragged through more misery than we already have on this.

CLAY: “Science is messy” is an easy way to sum that up, and messy arguments in science are decided by debate over time. So with a new virus, arguably the worst thing you could do in terms of trying to determine the best responses is to insist on whatever “the experts,” in quotation marks, agree on right now. Because challenging conventional wisdom, Buck, as you well know, is hard to do. And it requires a long time to convince people who are highly trained and highly skilled that their conventional wisdom may well be wrong.

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An Uprising of the Rational Against Covid Fear Porn

20 Jul 2021

BUCK: I just want to say, today it feels like it’s not gonna be as easy for the lockdowners as it was before. Yesterday, there was a lot of anxiety. The markets were in turmoil; the Biden administration came out with another one of his anodyne, boilerplate, America’s grandpa who just says whatever his handlers tell him speeches to calm everybody down ’cause things were supposed to be better.

But it really didn’t, I think, feel like the markets were gonna respond to Biden. So what is going on right now? Why is it we’ve had a pretty big rebound today and we’ve had people willing to come out and say, “Hold on a second, all right… Before we start having the domino effect of mask mandates back in New York City as they’ve been reinstituted in L.A. …

“Before we have to look at booster shots,” and all the other things that they’re pretending have been settled science in an instant, there’s some out there who are saying, “Not so fast.” At the very top of the list, I think, we’d have to put Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida on the government’s hypocrisy with all of this.

DESANTIS: I was a little bit perturbed when I was at the southern border when I started thinking about, if you wanted to fly from Brazil on you wanted to do certain travel, the way you would be treated by the federal government underneath the auspices of covid mitigation. Some people wouldn’t even be allowed to come. A lot of these flights aren’t even allowed.

If you wanted to go on a cruise ship, the federal government doesn’t want you except under extreme circumstances. So they’re very, very rigorous with kind of like lawful commercial activity and travel. But if you just want to hopscotch across that border? They don’t care about covid! They’re letting you straight in, they’re throwing you on a bus, and they’re sending you all over the fruited plain in this country.

So I don’t understand how you square that, if you’re saying that cruises have to go through all these procedures because of covid, wouldn’t you want people coming from a hundred different countries to just not be able to pour into the country, effectively, with very little pushback?

BUCK: Clay, the uprising of the Lululemon mom brigades against masks — something we talked about. I think we’re seeing an uprising of the rational against the absurdity of the regulations around covid, the absurdity of the open border and all rest of it. People can’t take it anymore.

CLAY: I think it’s well said, Buck, and I talked about this when we went down to Mexico on a vacation. My wife and I, in order to get back into the country — and I think this is still the rule. You had to have a negative covid test as an American citizen. We went to a Mexican resort. This was in late February. We had to be tested at the resort. We had to.

The whole thing is cosmetic theater. We had to present our neglect covid test to a random Southwest Airlines gate agent in order to board. What does that gate agent care or have the knowledge to be able to review a covid test form? Moreover, he doesn’t care. I mean, he doesn’t want people stuck in Mexico. But, anyway, we had negative tests; we got back.

At the same time, they were not and continue to not test people who were coming across the border illegally, allowing them to go right in the country without being citizens very many times. So how did that policy make any sense at all? And I think what’s starting to happen is, you’re seeing many of these rules which are being applied make no sense when you start to unpack it, as Ron DeSantis just did, in that same way.

And that leads to the big question that we were asking yesterday and the one that we’ve been debating for the past several weeks: Is there going to be a mass uprising of sorts associated with all these Draconian covid protocols? I think there is, and I think it’s gonna be connected to school. I really do. I think a lot of kids — ’cause remember, under 12-year-olds can’t be vaccinated right now.

There’s no possibility, and now there’s talk that if your 3-year-old has to wear a mask. And I think a lot of parents are looking around and saying all of this is madness. And I think that’s where the uprising is gonna start, with kids and the absurd covid protocols associated with them, and we know they have zero risk from covid. That’s where all this is coming from.

But I give credit to Ron DeSantis for standing up and fighting back associated with cruise ships and other businesses based in Florida. Florida has been an oasis of freedom in a country where many people are still furious they’re locked down and frankly, their second largest after he right now — L.A., where I’m headed tomorrow — you’re not even able to go indoors without wearing a mask again.

BUCK: There’s also the smugness of these experts. There’s the sense that we haven’t seen all the times they’ve been wrong or where they failed, and that we are seeing more pushback for sure. There are more people now than ever before, which makes perfect sense 18 months into this, 80% of seniors vaccinated. People are saying, “Hold on a second. The stupid covid rules are actually really stupid.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They can see this for what this. When you tell them here is NIH’s director Francis Collins making a really just haughty statement about how it’s not like we’re sending the kids to the trenches in a shooting war.

HALLIE JACKSON: It sounds like what you’re saying, though, is you don’t think that the nation’s pediatricians, the AAP, are off base in what they’re telling (crosstalk)?

COLLINS: I do not. I have great respect for the AAP, and, uh, I don’t think they make these recommendations lightly. They will not be popular amongst parents and kids who are sick of masks. But you know what? The virus doesn’t care that we’re sick of masks.

JACKSON: Mmmph.

COLLINS: The virus is having another version of its wonderful party for itself. And to the degree that we can squash that by doing something that maybe is a little uncomfortable, uh, a little inconvenient, it’s not like we’re asking people to go to the trenches with a (snickers) shooting war. We’re just asking you, if it looks like it’s gonna help, put the mask back on for a while.

CLAY: First of all, it doesn’t help. But bigger picture here, the pediatricians, I think this recommendation is ludicrous. But the pediatricians last June, Buck, said all schools need to be open, that there was no way they should stay closed. And the same scientists that now are talking about this mask recommendation, they wouldn’t in any way get on the line and argue in favor of schools being open.

So if you’re going to follow the science, last year’s recommendation by the pediatricians that all schools need to be open should have happened, correct? And I think there are parents willing to make that trade. We made it in my neighborhood, and a lot of schools did. Kids will wear masks in exchange for schools to be open.

But it’s fascinating to me how few people were willing to actually support the call for kids to be back in school last year. As soon as they mention that kids need to wear masks all of a sudden, “Hey, we’ve gotta listen to these authorities. They know exactly what they’re talking about.”

BUCK: It can’t be, “Shut up and do what the CDC said, peasant,” when the Lockdown Left likes it but the moment that the CDC says something that is more on the side of reopen or listening, “Oh, no, we’re gonna ignore that. We’re gonna take the extra precautions even though the CDC…” Remember that one?

When initially the mask mandates were coming to an end there were all these different cities, governors, mayors, who were saying, “Well, hold on. We’re not ready for it yet.” But it used to be, “We’ll do whatever the CDC says.” So it can’t be “experts” when you like what they say and we do our own thing when you don’t. But that has been a defining characteristic of the lockdowners, of the Fauci-ites.

And, really, I think more than ever, Clay, you just see, this is a religious belief now for people. It’s a lifestyle choice. Taking the virus seriously through double masking and masking up your kids at school and continuing on lockdowns. People think they’re like brave warriors against covid for doing stuff that the experts — who they used to say were beyond reproach — are even telling them that’s not really necessary anymore.

CLAY: Well, it is. And that’s why I think for people out there who say, “Oh, covid is over,” I don’t think… They’re not going to give up on covid. There are people who are so desperately committed to the idea of “covid fear porn,” as I call it, that they can’t unleash it.

Now, we should say positive story here ’cause we opened with the stock market tanking yesterday. As we speak, the stock market has bounced back 600 points. And some of the data, Buck — I should also say this — from yesterday, did you see the British scientist changed his answer to the question?

BUCK: Yes. You gave us that breaking news, and then a few hours later, he says (impression), “Oh, I’m sorry. Wrong numbers.” It’s not something —

CLAY: Kind of a big thing to get wrong?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: So he initially said 60% of the people testing positive for covid right now and hospitalized in Britain were covid-double vaccinated. And then he came back and said actually somewhere around 60% are not, meaning 40% would be. It’s all so confusion — and this guy’s the expert! Like, how do you go in front of the media and screw up something that bad and then try to clean it up? So I do want to mention that ’cause I said it on air yesterday.

BUCK: And I was telling people —

CLAY: I was reporting what the expert said.

BUCK: I was saying, “Don’t drop all your stock, folks,” ’cause I thought it was a panic move on a panic day. So need that I give stock advice here, but I’m just saying I had a feeling… Now, of course in a week maybe the market drops another 800 points or something and then I’ll be eating my words here. But I just feel like Democrats are psychologically in a fragile place right now.

Because covid has been this crush of meaning for them as well, and they’ve had this whole Fauci as America’s kindly old doctor telling them what to do, and they get to Zoom from their couch. And now it’s like the real world is coming back and we’re six months into the Biden administration, and Biden is an ineffectual clown, which we all knew from the beginning.

The policy agenda has run up into a brick wall for the Democrats. It turns out they can’t actually get all the Democrats to even go along with all the insane stuff they want to do. So Clay I think at some point… Yes, obviously the vaccine talk and everything else yesterday was getting people really anxious.

But I also just think that the left is feeling uneasy in general right now because what do they have to do? You and I have freedom, happiness, and a return to America to looking forward to. They’re not done with covid yet. There’s still climate change to tackle.

CLAY: It’s well said, because covid has come to define so many of these people’s lives. Think about this, Buck. I mean, there’s an entire… We asked Alex Berenson about this ’cause he saying, “Look, I never thought that I would spend all this time talking about covid.” There’s an entire collection of scientific experts, in quotation marks, who owe their entire meal ticket to covid still existing as a major issue because once covid goes away, they go away, and they’re not gonna allow that to happen.

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JIM JORDAN: You know what this is about. This is about going after President Trump, you know. The Democrats, they don’t want to talk about anything else. They don’t wanna talk about this. They don’t want to talk about the crime that’s going up in every major urban area; they don’t want to talk about the crisis at the border.

They don’t want to talk about the price — the fact that the price of everything is going up. The price of eggs went up. The price of milk’s went up. The price of lumber’s went up. The price of an airline ticket’s up, the price of a used car. Everything’s gone up. They don’t want to talk about all that, so they gotta talk about, oh, how we’re gonna go after president for the third time.

BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. I’m Buck, and there you had Congressman Jim Jordan. I don’t know, Clay. I feel like hopefully… You and I both like the congressman. Maybe he’s listening to the show ’cause it sounds like what we were talking about yesterday. They gotta discuss the insurrection — and we’ve been saying this for weeks — because Biden is a flop.

This administration’s agenda is all supposed to be crammed through in this mega budget. No legislation of any real consequence in the first year. They know they’re going into rough seas with the midterms. This just goes to the Trump fixation not only of the Democrat Party but of the Democrat-aligned corporate media as well. Which is why in January 6th Commission… We already had an impeachment! We’ve already seen all videos.

CLAY: We had a couple of impeachments. (laughing) The insurrection-related impeachment, yeah.

BUCK: On this specifically. And as I noted yesterday, I even checked with a friend of mine who’s a criminal defense attorney who listens to the show, I asked, I said, “Correct me if I’m wrong, there is…” I looked up the federal statute. There’s a federal statute on rebellion or insurrection that you can charge. It’s very serious. You can charge people with it. Not a single person from the so-called insurrection has been — or I would wager will be — charged with insurrection. I mean, if you’re gonna call something a bank robbery, Clay, don’t you think you would charge robbery?

CLAY: It’s well said. The reason they’re not being charged with an insurrection is because the lawyers who are prosecuting these cases are aware they would lose.

BUCK: Yep.

CLAY: And what is happening here is there is a desperate fixation on Trump, and you understand why. We talked early about CNN and how they’re so untrustworthy. They’ve lost 75% of their audience, Buck, since January of this year. Imagine whatever business you are in, imagine if you lost 75% of your business in the space of a year. That would be an all-hands-on-deck meeting.

BUCK: Yeah, this wouldn’t be the Clay and Buck show. This would be the Bob and Bill show or something. (laughing)

CLAY: Yeah. For what we do, if we lost 75% of our audience, if you lost 75% of your customer base, you’d have everybody sitting around the table tossing ideas ought. And they’ve tried to make Tucker Carlson the worst person, the modern version of Trump. It hasn’t worked, and honestly, it’s probably only helped his ratings overall ’cause a lot of people tune in ’cause they’re thinking, “I can’t wait to see what’s gonna be said next.”

And it’s just a big failure.

By the way, I just texted Jim Jordan I think does incredible work and we’re gonna try to get him on the show. I want to tell people out there who are listening, make sure to be here tomorrow. We played earlier — and I’m sure we’ll play it again tomorrow as a part of this Rand Paul. Senator Rand Paul’s gonna join us. And we’re gonna be discussing some of the dishonesty that is occurring at a high rate. Even in Washington, D.C., a city built on hot air, there’s an unprecedented amount of hot air, I think, that’s blowing right now.

BUCK: I also wanted to throw this out there for everybody, just a little bit of a compare-and-contrast here. We’ve got the insurrection and people being held in solitary for months who committed no violent crime nor were in process of a violent crime because of their role on January 6th. Meanwhile, you had here in New York City, Clay, two Ivy League-educated lawyers… Remember this one back during that?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It was a year ago, back during the actual insurrection on the streets of America with BLM, who firebombed a police cruiser with a Molotov cocktail. It’s notably a weapon of war, folks, because it’s named for Molotov by the Finns who were fighting against the Soviet invasion of their country during World War II.

But I would just note that these two, Clay, are on video bombing the car, firebombing the car — there are police officers who saw them do it — and yet they’re taking this to trial. They’re not taking a plea. Almost like maybe they think because they were BLM activists, they’re gonna get off.

CLAY: A jury won’t convict them — and these are high-end, well-educated lawyers. I mean, I remember reading this story and being just in disbelief that anybody could be this crazy. And that’s the temperature of the country at the time that this was all going on. But you got guys who went in and took a picture in the Capitol that are going away to jail for nearly a year and not out on parole, not out on bail. This is crazy.

BUCK: Both defendants, according to the Free Beacon here, face seven felony charges: Civil disorder, arson conspiracy, and a federal explosives charge. You take, as you well know, Clay.

CLAY: That’s why I said —

BUCK: I know from working on investigative side and you know from just the lawyer’s side. You take a deal when you’re facing those kinds of charges. The only way they’re rolling the dice is because they have top lawyers. The number one defense lawyer in some people’s minds in New York City taking up the case. I’m sure pro bono, too, by the way, ’cause BLM —

CLAY: And look. I don’t have a problem with that. But it is funny to think about the way that that is being received compared to anybody who was representing Trump. I mean, Giuliani just lost his law license, at least has it suspended, and I think you’re right. I think they are gonna throw themselves on the mercy of a woke jury and argue that they were fighting The Man, and they were trying to stand up for BLM. It’s like all these ridiculous protests that were okay as long as a protest was going on surrounding BLM. But nobody else could be out and about.

BUCK: One juror who thinks BLM hashtags and black squares on Instagram is more important than law and order — and guess what? They’re gonna walk.

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Dick Durbin Gives Away Democrats’ Amnesty Game

20 Jul 2021

BUCK: We just talked to Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. We covered a whole bunch of things from NBA ratings to the immigration crisis at our southern border that continues, and then the Democrats’ mega budget, which is not only spending us into oblivion if they get their way, but they are trying to just slip through stuff in a budget bill that has nothing to do with the budget, and that’s just slimy and dishonest.

But we are talking about the Democrats here. It’s not a surprise.

But Dick Durbin, Senator Durbin, had a moment of honesty, I thought, about why it is the Democrats are doing, and this has been a thesis of mine all along. Not only are they untroubled by the fact that we’re setting an all-time report right now at the southern border for people entering the country illegally — all-time records are being hit.

Last month was the highest ever in one month since they’ve been tracking this. You’re looking at close to two million for this year by the end of the year illegal entry, and that’s just at the southern border. That doesn’t include visa overstays. That doesn’t include people coming and breaking immigration law in other ways. So Dick Durbin, though, kind of gives away the game here in a sense by talking about, well, the changing — the rapidly changing — demographics at this moment of a de facto open border.

DURBIN: (whispering) So, there’s no argument for changing election and voting laws based on fraud. There certainly isn’t the… There’s no argument when it comes to the outcome of the election. That was clear, and it has been to everyone except one former president for a long time. And yet the Republicans when in control of state legislatures are, by design, trying to make it more difficult for some people to vote. Why?

The answer is very simple. The demographics of America are not on the side of the Republican Party. The new voters in this country are moving away from them, away from Donald Trump, away from their party creed that they preach. Instead, they’re moving to be independents or even vote on the other side. To argue and fight against that, the Republicans in legislative settings are reducing and restricting the opportunity to vote. That’s what it’s all about.

BUCK: Uh, new voters, Clay. Like, what you’d have with a massive amnesty which they’re trying to get through in this bill of five million people, by the way.

CLAY: What’s fascinating about this, too, is he’s not even right. The reason why Trump lost support in the 2020 election was white people. He increased Hispanic support by 10%. He increased Asian support. He increased black support. Trump got way more votes in 2020, because overwhelmingly minority voters did not buy into the Democratic mantra of “everything is racist.”

We know this data, by the way, is out there and Pew Research, and he increased all of this minority support despite the fact that he was being bludgeoned over the head with covid. But if only he had held more white suburban support, this election would not have been remotely close, and so I don’t buy into the argument that he is even making.

I think the reason why these legislatures are taking action is because — and this is straightforward and transparent; it’s clear, but I think we need to keep repeating it. It is because the rules were changed because of covid in 2020. And what we’re now trying to do is make certain that we don’t codify those rule changes forever to allow more voter fraud through absentee ballot, through vote harvesting, all these different things which have been proven to be less reliable than people voting in person.

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Senator Ted Cruz Calls the Show

20 Jul 2021

BUCK: We do, in fact, now have Senator Ted Cruz from the great state of Texas. Senator Cruz, it’s good to talk to you again.

SEN. CRUZ: Gentlemen, great to be with you.

CLAY: Senator Cruz, I was gonna start with you here. Thanks for being on. I know you’re an NBA fan —

SEN. CRUZ: Yes.

CLAY: — and you’re a huge Houston Rockets fan.

SEN. CRUZ: Yes.

CLAY: Game 6 tonight is going on between the Bucks and the Suns. But the ratings have dropped 50% in Game 5 compared to what they were two years ago. As a longtime NBA fan, is this a perfect example of getting woke and going broke?

SEN. CRUZ: You know it may well be. There’s no doubt the NBA has gotten much more politicized. I’m glad to see this season they backed away from the nonsense they had last year so they don’t have Black Lives Matter painted on the court anymore. They don’t have the politically left slogans on the back of their jerseys anymore. So that’s a step in the right direction. It may just be that Phoenix and Milwaukee are smaller markets. That may be driving it. I’ve been enjoying this finals. I didn’t watch last year, and I’ve been watching this one. They’re both good teams and it’s been good basketball.

BUCK: Senator Cruz, I want to ask you about what is going on at the U.S.-Mexico border. You know, there was a Fox News correspondent who shared a video of, well, a couple things going on. One is hundreds of migrants — I believe it was in the Del Rio sector — who were trying to just physically push past members of Border Patrol because they had them so overwhelmed. It was men, women, children, just hundreds of people.

That happened. And you also have people showing up and saying not just that they’re coming from Central America, which we’ve known for a while. There are roughly 70 countries in the last year that I know of that are represented in illegal crossings at the border, people coming from Vietnam, Haiti, Cuba, China, Pakistan. What is going on right now, and how is the Biden administration doing anything, financing, about it?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, it is a full-on crisis and catastrophe at the border. And it is the direct result of decisions by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. We have open borders right now. And, you know, you talk about the people coming in. We’ve had over a half million people come in illegally already this year. We’re on pace for more than two million people to cross illegally.

It is the highest rate of illegal immigration in over 20 years, and it is an absolute disaster, particularly we’re dealing with a pandemic. We’re seeing people come over with high rates of covid positivity. They’re being released into our communities. And even worse than that, the Biden administration is talking about wanting to step back from Title 42, which is the tool that is used right now to try to protect against releasing people who are covid positive.

They are so committed to open borders, to not enforcing our laws, that they’re willing to jeopardize the health and safety of Americans to do so. And, as you rightly noted, we’re seeing people from countries all over the world coming across our southern border.

If you’re a terrorist, if you want to do harm to America, and you know that Joe Biden has opened up the southern border — if you cross, you can stay and they’ll let you go — we’re seeing that happen as people are heading there to take advantage of this lawless catastrophe.

BUCK: Just one more on this, Senator Cruz — and we’re speaking to Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, for anyone who’s joining us in progress here. Senator Cruz, it seems to me that Kamala as the border czar, the vice president, has effectively abandoned the portfolio. We don’t hear anything about it, there are no speeches about it, and there is clear dissension in the ranks even among some of her staffers.

And there was some back-and-forth over did Biden hand this to her so he wouldn’t have to deal with it. Generally, on an issue like this, we’d be talking about a difference of opinion on how to handle, as you rightly put it, a crisis. Are they doing anything? I mean, and I ask you that in all earnestness. What is the federal government, from the White House down, doing to stop this massive, unprecedented flow of illegals?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, they’re not, and the reason… It was three decisions made by the Biden administration in the opening weeks that caused this crisis. Number one, the first week in office Joe Biden immediately halted construction of the border wall. Number two, he reinstated the failed policy of catch-and-release.

And number three — most indefensibly — he ended the very, very successful Remain-in-Mexico international agreement. That was an agreement President Trump had negotiated with the government of Mexico that people who crossed illegally into Mexico would remain in Mexico while the U.S. asylum cases were pending.

That was an historic agreement, and it resulted in last year, we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years. It was an incredible success. Biden ripped it to shreds, and it caused this massive deluge of illegal immigration. Now, here’s the problem that Biden and Harris have. They’re unwilling to change any of those three policies.

They made promises to the radical, open-border left that they would not enforce laws, that they would not deport people, that they would effectively have open borders. And politically, they are captive to the radical left. So this problem is gonna keep getting worse and worse and worse ’cause they won’t do what’s necessary to fix it.

That’s why Joe Biden is terrified to go to the border and hasn’t been there. That’s why Kamala Harris for months refused to go to the border. Then when she did, it was really striking. She went to El Paso. El Paso is a lovely city. It’s a great city with a lot of legal trade back and forth with Mexico.

But it’s not the epicenter of the crisis. The epicenter of the crisis is the Rio Grande Valley. The Rio Grande Valley is 800 miles away from El Paso. To put that in perspective, Chicago is closer to Washington, D.C., than El Paso is to the Rio Grande Valley.

And the reason Kamala didn’t want to go to the Rio Grande Valley is, if she’d gone there, she would have to see the Biden cages — kids in cages lined up in unsafe environments, children after children after children — and she doesn’t want the TV cameras to cover it. Their strategy is they’re counting on the media just ignoring this problem because they’re unwilling to do what it takes to fix it.

CLAY: Senator Cruz, five — I think now six — Texas statehouse members have tested positive for covid while they are in Washington. How does this situation resolve itself, and what do you think of the Texas House members fleeing your state to come to Washington, D.C., and avoid doing their jobs?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, I think they are ridiculous. I think they’re pulling a political stunt. I think they’re pulling it badly. They’re trying to call themselves these incredible, heroic civil rights protesters. In fact (laughs), they’ve likened themselves to the protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, which if you ignored the billy clubs and the dogs and the beatings and you replace them instead with a private jet and a case of Miller Lite, then I understand their analogy.

I think they’re just playing for the camera. They are lying about the underlying bill in Texas. The underlying bill in Texas protects voting rights and protects voter integrity. They’re not talking about the substance of it. They are just engaged in dishonest political attacks. But you asked, “Where does this end up?” Their stunt will fail. Eventually, they will come back to Texas.

When they get tired of palling around with media folks and transmitting covid to Democrats in the White House and Nancy Pelosi’s office, they’ll come back to Texas. And when they come back to Texas, the governor has said he’s gonna call special session after special session, and the Texas Constitution is absolutely clear, that the Speaker of the House has the authority to arrest legislators who flee to try to defeat a quorum.

And so if they refuse to go do their job, when they return to Texas, they will be arrested and physically located on the House floor so the legislature can do its job. And I think at the end of the day, Texas is gonna pass common sense voter integrity law that protects everyone’s right to vote but that prevents voter fraud.

CLAY: Last question for you: A $3.5 trillion budget as well as the infrastructure bill. What happens in your mind reading the tea leaves and the votes as this process plays out? What happens?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, it’s purely partisan. This is a reckless tax-and-spend spree. It is only the Democrats who are pushing it. No Republicans are gonna support this irresponsible bill. We’re seeing inflation rising all over the country. And the price tag for this is going to be paid by the middle class. And the reason it’s gonna be paid by the middle class…

You know, it reminds me of when they asked John Dillinger. “Why do you rob banks?” His answer was, “Well, that’s where the money is.” The reason the middle class are gonna pay the bill for this massive tax-and-spend spree is that’s where the money is. And the Democrats are going after the middle class. They’re jacking up your taxes.

And every bit as bad, inflation keeps going up and up and up: The cost of food, the cost of lumber, the cost of homes the cost of gas. Everything is going up, and and they keep printing money. Brrrr! The money printer keeps going. That’s what we’re seeing. And it is wildly irresponsible.

And I can tell you I, for one, am doing everything I can to fight to stop it. We need to get at least one Democrat who says, “Stop the madness,” because, if they get a party-line vote, then we’re gonna see a lot of damage to our economy, a lot of damage to jobs, and a lot of damage to working families across this country.

BUCK: Senator Cruz of Texas. Senator, great to have you on. Come back soon.

SEN. CRUZ: Thank you, my friends. God bless.

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