Shocker: More Proof Don Lemon Isn’t a Journalist

22 Jul 2021

BUCK: Town hall on CNN, which was a lot of stuff that we should get through together. Crime, immigration, the border, major topics that the Democrats don’t have good answers for and certainly Joe Biden doesn’t, either. But there are some of these things, Clay, out there that you keep hearing from Democrats. They’re like zombie talking points. You can never make the talking point die.

It will never stop, right? People will talk about them. For the pay gap, they’ll say, “Men and women, it’s exact same work, the same person,” and you have whatever it is, 73 cents on the dollar I think is the statistic or some number, and then when they actually look at it and they break it down, it’s not true.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And if it were true, companies with thousands and thousands of employees?

CLAY: Only would hire women.

BUCK: You save 25% on your labor costs? Guess what? Everyone’s gonna do that. But they’ll just keep saying it. They’ll keep saying it. They’ll keep saying, “There’s no such thing as voter fraud,” until someone says, “That’s weird ’cause people go to prison for it every year.” There are phrases they will use.

There are statements they will make that, no matter how many times we debunk it — we disabuse them of this notion, we point out the lie — they want to keep saying it. Don Lemon, the filibuster is bad now. What’s remarkable, Clay, is that the filibuster wasn’t bad somehow when Democrats were in the minority for the with first two years of the Trump presidency.

CLAY: Even worse than that, Buck, it was the saving grace of our democracy, if you listen to Democrats! When Trump won, they used the filibuster aggressively, Kyrsten Sinema pointed out in her Washington Post editorial explaining why she wouldn’t reject the filibuster; that 41, I believe it was, of her Democratic colleagues had signed a letter talking about how important the filibuster was when Donald Trump got elected president. And suddenly you have the power, and it’s super racist! It’s gone from not being racist at all and you have to use it to being super racist.

BUCK: The situational ethics that Democrats engage in on a regular basis especially when talking about our sacred democracy and the processes of our government, the situational ethics. They could get 9.9 if they were doing the pommel horse. I mean, the acrobatics that are involved.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I got the Olympics on my mind. It’s crazy. They’re just spinning all of this. and they do not stick the landing. They look foolish when it’s all said and done. Don Lemon pressed Joe Biden last night on the filibuster. Here is what he said.

LEMON: (whispering) If it’s a relic of Jim Crow, it’s been like to fight again civil rights legislation historically, why protect it?

BIDEN: There’s no reason to protect it other than you’re gonna throw the entire Congress into chaos and nothing will get done.

LEMON: Right.

BIDEN: Nothing at all will get done.

LEMON: Mmmph.

BIDEN: And there’s a lot at stake! The most important one is the right to vote — that’s the single most important one — and your vote counted and counted by someone who honestly counts it.

BUCK: It is not a relic of Jim Crow. (laughs)

CLAY: It’s a lie.

BUCK: How many times do we just have to go over there? The tactic of delaying in the Senate so that legislation could not go through goes all the way back to 1789 when Senator William McClay wrote in his dairy, “The design of the Virginians was to talk away the time so we could not get the bill passed.” There were uses of the filibusters in the 1830s.

There were uses of the filibuster before anybody had even heard of Jim Crow or Jim Crow laws. It comes from — funfact — the Dutch for “freebooter” or the Spanish “filibustero,” and it is essentially a pirate. So to be a filibuster is to be a pirate who takes command of the Senate, which makes it sound a whole lot cooler than it actually is. But it is a Jim Crow relic. It is not racism. This is total malarkey.

CLAY: What is designed here is for the Senate — because you have six-year terms — to not swing outrageously every single time that we have a new presidential election. So the idea, for anybody who has studied history, is that the Senate will slow things down to make sure that we are not behaving in a haphazard fashion.

The House is obviously a much more reactionary body as it is only made up of people who are elected, 435 of them, every two years. The Senate, the six-year term, is supposed to protect you from the passions of the moment so that you can make a reasonable decision for the betterment of the country. The fact that we have allowed…

It’s a good question, Buck. You talk about how dumb Joy Behar is. Do you think that Don Lemon is able to understand that, or is he just going to spout whatever Jeff Zucker sound bites are popular on CNN any given day? Do you think he’s cognizant of the fact while spreading disinformation while claiming to care about information in a big way?

BUCK: I think he doesn’t care, and I believe that for Democrat anchors who pretend to be journalists, which I don’t know. I mean, no intelligent person would ever say Don Lemon is unbiased or Chris Cuomo or any of these people.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: “Fake” Tapper, any of them. No one actually thinks that they’re not Democrats doing the bidding of the Democrat Party, who pays attention and is honest. I mean, there might be delusional, very bored people in airports, although I think they… Are they in airports anymore? They lost some of that airport coverage.

CLAY: They’re not on as much. There’s more sports on in airports now.

BUCK: If my choices are Woke NBA or CNN in the airport, I want to watch some reporters get drained, I gotta tell you.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I will make that concession. But, no, I think that for people who are now — and I’ve even had friends bring this up to me recent. It’s kind of like all media has just turned into clashing narratives and activism —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — and they say, “How do you feel about that?” I say, “Well, what I do,” what you do, Clay, is we tell people: This is what we think, this is what we want, and who we are. The old media of, “This is just the truth, there is no other truth, and we bring no perspective to this” — journalism — is a lie. It’s been a lie for a very long time, but to specifically answer your question about Don Lemon: No, ’cause the point of that town hall was not to give people… First of all, itwas clearly not to challenge in any way the president of the United States —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — or make him answer tough questions. The point of that town hall was to give a platform with a facade of some neutrality or some unbiased nature so that Joe Biden could look good and say things to his constituents, and so Don Lemon succeeded in that regard. So it’s a success even if he says something dumb because the dumb thing he says helps Biden. It doesn’t matter that it’s wrong, and his audience doesn’t care. Just one more thing. You can tell this gets me fired up, Clay.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: The journalists, when it comes to guns — and I’ve said this for a long time. People say, “No, no, no.” They’re so disdainful of not only guns, but gun owners.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Your standard D.C. or NYC journalist hates gun owners so much, and that’s actually why it’s become such a cultural issue because it’s such a signifier of your politics. It’s not even just about the gun violence. By parading their ignorance, by literally going on TV and talking about machine guns with bayonet attachments and all these things, they’re saying, “Oh, well, it’s all so stupid and whatever. Who cares? As long as I’m showing you how much I hate it, that’s what matters.” Go ahead.

CLAY: That’s why the Democratic Party has such a big cultural issue in many parts of the country, even for people that might respond favorably to some of the things that they argue for. As a kid who grew up in Tennessee, we’re around guns at a young age. And that doesn’t happen for many of these left-wing New York and California liberals. They just aren’t, right? They aren’t ever in a backyard with a gun firing at a target.

They don’t have BB guns growing up, and so a lot of that discomfort is just nervousness because they haven’t ever experienced a gun in a nonlife-threatening fashion, right? They’re thinking, “Oh, my God. I’m gonna get shot,” or whatever. The comfort level with a weapon at a young age I think many people and certainly a large percentage of our listeners have had that experience.

And so you aren’t as terrified of guns. There’s a genuine fear factor. Really, “Everything is racist and everything is gonna kill you,” is basically the Democratic Party’s brand right now. That’s their brand.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: “Everything is racist. Everything is gonna kill you.” It’s a fear-based party, which is, unfortunately, getting trumpeted across the entire nation.

BUCK: You get to feel virtuous while handing over control of your life to people that you think are even more virtuous if you’re a lib, if you’re a leftist. That sounds so appealing to them. It sounds like a nightmare to me.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: Buck here, and we had some interesting moments in this last night Joe Biden town hall. I am a fan of the site the Babylon Bee.

CLAY: They’re fantastic.

BUCK: And they just put out, “CNN Airs Hour-Long PSA on Warning Signs of Dementia.” Ouch.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Ouch. They are not holding back there at all. Well, one area where Biden had no good answer — and I think, to be fair, and I do aspire to be fair —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — at least within the context of what my beliefs are on this show, I don’t think Biden can give a good answer on what Kamala said about the border or what’s happening at the U.S.-Mexico border. You have unprecedented numbers — truly, by the numbers with the data in front of us right now, unprecedented numbers — of apprehensions, of illegal crossings. We have the closest thing that we have had to an open border, really, ever, at least in the modern era of this country. Biden was asked about Kamala saying, “Do not come,” and here’s what he said.

WOMAN: Vice President Harris said to Guatemalans, “Don’t come.” Recently you have indicated you are in favor of refugees coming to this country. Could you please explain your administration’s basic stance on immigration?

BIDEN: Yes! They should not come. What we’re trying to set up is in the countries like (sputters), in particular, Northern Triangle: Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, et cetera. We are setting up in those countries: If you seek asylum in the United States, you can seek it from the country.

BUCK: That’s called being a refugee.

CLAY: (chuckles)

BUCK: There’s actually a difference here, which I would hope the president of the United States would know. You show up and say, “I need to stay here,” that’s asylum. You apply in another country and say, “I need to get out of this place because there’s a war or a famine, that’s a refugee under U.S. law. I don’t think Biden knows or cares about the difference, particularly. But, Clay, more to the point, oh, they just — they don’t have any problem with the people who are gaming the system. They just to want help them game the immigration system differently.

CLAY: Well, and that’s also the place, if you were a true journalist, to follow up and say, “What about Cuba?” I mean, if you are truly a journalist, which is what CNN claims that they are a journalistic information, you should speak truth to power. So if that is the policy that is in place for what Joe Biden believes should exist at our southern border, why — in the throes of repression — as the Cuban people have tried to speak out in favor of democracy and freedom, would the United States say, “You aren’t going to be able to come here. Don’t flee. We don’t want you.”

It is, to me, such an inherent hypocrisy. And, Buck, to your point, the idea is, “Oh, those might be Republican voters.” But take away the politics and just go straight to the policy itself. Try to explain why that difference is occurring, and I don’t think Joe Biden could do it because it’s nonsensical. But that’s what a real journalist should do. That’s what someone who is trying to get to truths and hold leaders accountable, that would be the immediate follow-up, right?

BUCK: Yeah, but they’re not journalists as we know.

CLAY: Of course not. Yeah.

BUCK: We just keep saying it. It’s almost at a point now, we have to keep saying it until they finally admit it. I know that for everyone who’s with us now, you all know that CNN is fake news and that’s why it stings. That’s why they get so upset about it.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You know, when people say things that aren’t true about you, that hurts a lot less when it’s negative than when it is true. But journalism in this country is something that I think people realize no longer really exists, and CNN last night was a perfect example of that.

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CNN’s Ridiculous Coverage of Their Own Town Hall

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CLAY: I wanted to make sure I mentioned how CNN covered their town hall. It is true insanity. This was CNN. They had this on as CNN Breaking News in the wake of the Joe Biden town hall.

TOWN HALL ATTENDEE: How will you address gun violence from a federal point of view to actually bring about change and make our local cities safer?

BIDEN: Now, I’m not bein’ a wise guy. There’s no reason you should. Have you seen my gun violence legislation I’ve introduced? As you know, because you’re so involved (pause) actually crime is down. Gun violence and murder rates are up. Guns! I’m the only guy that ever got passed legislation, when I was a senator, to make sure we eliminated assault weapons. The idea you need a weapon that can have the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots from that weapon — whether it’s… w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-whether a 9mm pistol or whether it’s a rifle is ridiculous.

CLAY: That’s Joe Biden talking about the crime which is out of control and we’re gonna talk about some tomorrow as well. And it reminds me a little bit of D.C. mayor Marion Barry who famously said, “D.C. doesn’t have a crime rate except for the murders.” When you say, “Crime’s down except for the murders,” it’s kind of an important part to not have a lot of murders. But what I wanted to hit you was CNN covering this town hall.

You heard us play a lot of those different cuts throughout the course of the show. In his CNN town hall, this is CNN Breaking News: “Biden tackled covid-19 vaccine his fancy and misinformation and delivered some tough economic love as he discussed pressing issues.” Does that sound like an accurate reflection of what we saw and heard from Joe Biden as CNN, quote, “reports” on their own town hall?

BUCK: Joe Biden, everything he says, he will continue to say — -and in the same way — for the duration of his presidency. Because everything that he’s been saying for 40 years as a Democrat is essentially the most mediocre pablum you could ever come up with. I mean, it’s just (impression), “Folks, we’re gonna… (mumbling) Middle class and fair shot and people sitting down, looking at the bowl in front of them and thinking ‘America.'”

You sit there and say, “What is this idiot actually rambling about?” But that’s everything with him all the time. Remember when he was supposed to be the foreign policy brain of the Obama administration? That was initially why he was the vice president. They just… Whatever they want to say about Joe, they’ll say about Joe. It doesn’t really matter.

CLAY: Yeah, and we’re gonna talk about this with Jim Jordan tomorrow in the second hour. I encourage you to listen to that conversation. But I think what you’re seeing is while Democratic Party claims that they care a great deal about disinformation and all of those assorted aspects, they are the disinformation masters. (chuckles)

I’m reading Harry Potter to my 6-year-old right now, and the Democrats in many ways have mastered the Dark Arts. If you’ve been reading or watch those films at any point, it’s really kind of amazing how they are so adroit and adept at accusing Republicans of things that they themselves are doing and doing more effectively. (laughing) I mean, it’s amazing.

BUCK: That’s a favorite tactic. The favorite during the Obama years that I recall was Obama always just smashing arguments that Republicans were making, except they weren’t actually making those arguments, but he would pretend. He’d be like, “Some people say everyone in America should starve to death and we all hate our own children, but I disagree.” That was the Obama move.

In the Biden era, the classic Democrat attack has turned into, “They’re undermining our democracy,” while — oh, I don’t know — a bunch of Texas Democrats are absconding from Austin and not allowing the state legislature to act or not allowing people to leave their homes and go to their churches during covid. I think the threat-from-democracy people are the ones who are always talking about it.

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“Our constitution is an incredible document. One change that I wish we had made — you have to be 35 years old to be elected president. I wish they had said you can’t be older than 65 to also be elected president.”

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Why We Should Worry About What Happens in Afghanistan

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CLAY: Afghanistan, roughly 95% of our troops are out. You were there. What is your read on what’s going on on the ground, and how soon might it be the case that it’s like we were never there at all?

BUCK: I was in Afghanistan 10 years ago, and it’s as if the nightmare that we all expected then is unfolding now in terms of the Taliban. Now, by the way, I don’t change my position on this based on the administration. I was for Trump’s drawdown in Afghanistan; I remain for Biden’s draw down.

But that also means we have to be very clearheaded about what’s going on right now and how rapidly this is deteriorating. Here’s what I’m hearing from people that are watching this very closely on the ground and have deep knowledge of what’s the Taliban is up to specifically, Clay, and leveraging some of my government contacts and people I know who have been working this issue for, in some cases now, 20 years.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: The Taliban has decided that instead of what has been the expectation, which was in the Pashtun heartlands of the south and east of the Taliban is a Pashtun tribal organization — they’re going after what they feel would be the Northern Alliance part two, or the area of the country where greater stability, more pro-U.S. presence.

So they’re going after the harder-to-get areas already, knowing in their minds that they’ll be able to consolidate what they already have in the Pashtun heartland in the south and east of the country, places like Kandahar, places like Jalalabad and Nangarhar Province.

So these are things that are happening that were not expected by those who were preparing for this. And it does look also, Clay, like the Taliban is executing on a war plan here that south clearly had a lot of time to think about. That has caught people in the Afghan security apparatus, the Afghan national government side, off guard, and it’s looking really bad.

CLAY: And we’re gonna talk about this some tomorrow, but for people out there who might say, “Ah, I’m not really concerned about what happens in Afghanistan,” the fear would be, Buck, that we’re going to return to a pre-9/11 Afghanistan where terrorists are going to have free rein to potentially be able to use that area as plotting ground as they did with the 9/11 attacks and that we’re going to be leaving ourselves open to the same kind of issues that led to 9/11.

BUCK: We’re hoping that that thinking reflects the vision of the world with Al-Qaeda 20 years ago and won’t be what it is now, where you have Al-Qaeda elements or Islamic State elements — very similar but different organizations, different organizational structure — in Yemen, operating in concert with Boko Haram in northern Nigeria, with Al-Shabaab in Somalia, these different offshoots of what are effectively global jihadist franchises.

We’ve been existing with them — or we’ve been in a world where they exist — for many years now. So even if you have extremism with the Taliban on the rise and in control in Afghanistan, we may think of this now, Clay, as a manageable problem, is the idea; we’ll send some air strikes or some special operations support, perhaps, to an embattled Afghan government.

But we’re looking, I think… I think this is heading to a place we’re gonna end up telling the Taliban, if you make us come back — if you make us regret leaving in a way that people in America are mobilized the way we were after 9/11 — they will never have seen anything like what the U.S. response is at that point. I think that’s a conversation that is effectively gonna happen, although I don’t know if the Biden administration is willing to have that conversation.

CLAY: And also, whether the Taliban is gonna be afraid of any sort of American issues, because basically their plan for a long time has been, “We’re here for generations. Eventually the Americans are gonna leave just like the Russians did.”

BUCK: Yeah. The one thing that we know historically, militants in Afghanistan have been really good at is waiting out great powers who have come through and tried to seize control. That is, effectively, the history of Afghanistan as we’ve talked about. Not just stretching back to the Soviet mujahideen era, but also two major British invasions toward the end of the nineteenth century, going back into invasions by Alexander the Great and other conquerors.

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BUCK: This BuzzFeed story. ‘Cause we’re talking about the January 6th “insurrection” —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — and there was this incident of the alleged can keep plot against governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan who is among, complete separate from this plot, one of the most extreme lockdown governors.

CLAY: Imbecile.

BUCK: We have been deeply critical of her all along here. She’s the one who has a pillow of Fauci that she sets up so when she does her MSNBC hits, you can see her. So this is something we may dive into some more in this piece — and I have to credit this. There is occasional journalism that happens at places like the New York Times.

CLAY: (chucking)

BUCK: BuzzFeed. It is not all cat blog. There are people who do actual reporting sometimes there. But this is fascinating because we heard all about this, and there was a huge media frenzy around this Trump supporter, right-wing plot to kidnap and perhaps even horrifically do harm to Governor Whitmer of Michigan, and now a lot of it has fallen apart.

First of all, one of the main FBI agents involved in it has been arrested for felony domestic abuse. So that’s not a thing that is gonna come up in a court of law now when they bring this prosecution, ’cause they’ll just attack the credibility of some of these agents. But beyond that, this is from the BuzzFeed piece.

“The government has documented at least 12 confidential informants who assisted the sprawling investigation. The trove of evidence they helped gather provides an unprecedented view … laying out in often stunning detail the ways that anti-government groups network with each other …” But “[a]n examination of the case by BuzzFeed News also reveals that some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported.

“Working in secret, they did more than just passively observe and report on the actions of the suspects. Instead, they had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception.” Clay, entrapment is a very hard case to make and win.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It’s often the last-ditch effort that a defense attorney has. When you have 12 informants? I mean, how many people were involved in the plot, by the way? You have 12 informants involved from inception? It starts to not pass the smell test for some folks.

CLAY: My criminal law professor used to say, “What can we get ’em with? We got nothin’. We’ll get ’em with conspiracy.” It’s kind of a funny way to explain what exactly sometimes a conspiracy charge, a conspiracy to commit a crime was, as opposed to a tangible act to be undertaken, which then can make it an attempt, for those of you out there who are curious about a little bit of criminal law background.

But, yes, to me, entrapment, as you said, Buck, is always a very difficult case to make in terms of a defense. But it’s starting to look like many of these cases — and candidly, this is me speaking as a defense attorney. In the same way that some of these jihadist cases were brought to bear where there were all these different informants potentially trying to encourage people to commit crimes that they otherwise would have had no interest in committing or ability to commit.

It’s sounding like that might be the case with this Michigan case, and I always try to think about this from a legal perspective and apply the same standards no matter what the charges are. And this is looking like, based on the way this was covered, it is wildly exaggerated in terms of how legitimate this plot to kidnap her and do harm to her truly was.

BUCK: I worked on some counterterrorism cases at the intel division, intelligence division of the NYPD involving confidential informants, involving undercovers as well, undercover officers. And there always is this concern with. You can’t be calling somebody 10 times a minute, say, “Hey, can I bring you the guns for the thing that I told you we should do?”

CLAY: (laughs) Right.

BUCK: “Hey, I bought us explosives. Come with me. Just give me a ride to the place.” There are limits that you have to be aware of, and look, BuzzFeed’s examining this. It’s looking like — and, of course why? People have a lot of mistrust of the FBI right now. This was viewed as a precursor to January 6 by the left, this Whitmer plot. They’re tied together in this piece.

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A Rational, Nuanced Discussion with Senator Rand Paul

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CLAY: I believe we have Senator Rand Paul with us now. Senator, thanks for making the time. Question right off the top for you: Do you believe, yourself, that Dr. Fauci has lied to the American public in his testimony? And, if so, why would he be lying?

SEN. PAUL: Well, I think the question is one of self-interest, you know. Is there a question…? Is there a self-interest by Dr. Fauci to not have any evidence point towards the lab, to not point towards him funding dangerous research in the lab? So, of course I think he’s conflicted. And so, yes, I think that he’s obfuscating, lying, distorting, doing whatever he can to deflect blame.

BUCK: And, Senator Paul, it’s Buck here. I just wanted to know, what proof do we have right now? When people say about the funding of gain-of-function research, there was a $600,000 grant that went through an intermediary from the NIH and then that intermediary gave that grant. Just for everyone listening, what are the hard-and-fast facts right now, if somebody wants to make the claim that there was at least some degree of funding for gain-of-function research?

SEN. PAUL: Well, without question the NIH funded the research, when you look at the papers by Dr. Shi from the Wuhan institute, the woman they called the Bat Scientist. When she publishes her papers, they have to list in the funding source, and they list a 10-digit NIH number listing the exact grant and where the money came from. So it’s without question the NIH funded this.

I think what now is going on is that Fauci is trying to obscure the fact that this is gain-of-function research. But if you look at NIH’s statement, it described gain-of-function research as taking an animal virus that typically only infects animals, changing it genetically to a virus that can infect humans. That’s gain-of-function. That’s gain-of-function research.

In fact, they simply say in their NIH definition not just humans, but mammals in general. The paper that we presented to him yesterday — which nobody in the left-wing media has bothered to even look at — is a 2017 paper done entirely in Wuhan. She admits the funding came from NIH, Dr. Shi.

But in this, she takes two viruses she found in a bat cave. She takes the genes that attach to the S-protein of those viruses, and she recombines them with another virus called SARS. SARS is a coronavirus from the 2004 era that caused 15% mortality. So she combines new bad viruses she found with an old backbone of a SARS virus, and then she infected human cells.

So to me, this is the very definition. In fact, we quoted a professor from Rutgers with a 30-year history who says that what this scientist was doing was the epitome of gain-of-function. So Fauci stands up and says, “Oh, all my experts say it’s not.” Well, they’re all self-interested. He funds them all. You can’t get everybody over this who’s not petrified that Fauci will take their funding from them.

So he’s not an objective source because if any blame attaches to Wuhan, he’s associated with that. So he needs to be excluded from any investigation. So does [Dr. Peter] Daszak; so does anybody that was involved with funding Wuhan because if we finally conclude that this came from the Wuhan lab, guess what? The people who funded the program have a lot of explaining to do.

CLAY: Doctor, I think it’s important to reference the fact that you are a doctor as well. We’ve been thanking you a lot on this show for asking the questions that you are of Dr. Fauci because so few people will actually ask them. What should happen? If we did — as I believe that you have laid out the case very strongly.

If we did use American taxpayer dollars to help fund gain-of-function research and if this covid virus did escape from a lab, what next? And I’m assuming, by the way, that you do believe that the evidence would show that this virus came out of a lab, not that it was in some way naturally occurring, as you just laid out. That’s not a very reasonable hypothesis at this point in time.

SEN. PAUL: The first thing you stop doing is funding this research. I introduced an amendment about three weeks ago — that actually passed in the Senate and we’re hoping will become law — to have no more funding of the Wuhan institute. So that’s the first thing you do.

But in addition, we should look at the funding of some of this research in our country. We do this in North Carolina and Galveston primarily. Do we really want to take a virus that has 15% mortality and recombine it with another virus that is more transmissible in humans and create these super viruses? I think it’s a huge mistake. We need to have a…

You know, they need to be a full-blown committee hearing. I’ve requested of Patty Murray, the senator from Washington, have a full-blown bipartisan hearing; bring the scientists in. Many of the scientists who are supporting me on gain-of-function, they’re not Republicans. Most of the university professors in our country are Democrats.

But there’s a huge number of them that have been arguing on gain-of-function that it’s too dangerous since 2002. So I’m late in this debate. But these university professors have been saying this to Dr. Fauci, and finally they convinced him to pause it in 2014. But then for some unknown reason, the Wuhan research sort of escaped scrutiny.

And if you look at the email chain — the private email chain of Dr. Fauci on January 31st — you see alarm and you see urgency. He’s sending emails at 2:30 in the morning ’cause he’s scared to death that American public’s gonna discover that he was funding the lab and that they were doing dangerous research. And he’s also scared to death that ultimately there will be a link to the lab.

And then in public, he says completely the opposite of what he’s saying in private. In private, four scientists send him an email that night saying that the virus looks like it’s been manipulated in a lab. Interestingly, these scientists a week later changed their opinion in public — at the direction of Fauci, Daszak, and others who are self-interested in this — that their first impression was that it looked like it had been manipulated in the lab.

There are also others who are saying this. There are famous Nobel laureates saying this. Even the gentleman doing the research in North Carolina has now said that he does this gain-of-function research, but he’s worried that it might have come from the lab. Fauci’s not being honest with people, and people are so beholden to him that I think they’re afraid to speak out.

BUCK: Senator Paul, Buck again. I wanted to just get your opinion on a related topic as somebody who’s obviously following this very closely from the policy side but also as a medical doctor yourself. I’ve had numerous infectious disease specialists that I know in my life tell me that immunity that you get naturally is as good or likely to be better than vaccinated immunity based on what we know of the history of how this tends to play out in other situations involving vaccinations.

Is there some evidence that we are not aware of or is there some explanation for why there is just a general disregarding of those who have acquired it. Like you have, I have, Clay have all had covid and have covid antibodies. What should we know about that, and why isn’t that a part of the discussion?

SEN. PAUL: Every study so far on natural immunity to covid-19 shows long lasting immunities. No study shows that you’re losing your immunity or that it goes away. Every study shows that it does. And whether it’s stronger than the vaccine or weaker depends on the disease. So measles — the red measles — if you get that naturally, you have lifelong immunity.

If you get the vaccine, you need a booster about every decade or two. So that’s an example of natural infection being stronger than the vaccine, but they both work. So I’m not arguing against the vaccine. In other examples, they say like tetanus, the vaccine is actually better than the disease.

You can get tetanus and disease, and if you survive apparently doesn’t give you enough immunity, the same immunity that a vaccine does; so it varies. But the reason there — well, the fact — that they are good morning natural immunity has real consequences. So right now there are more people in India that want the vaccine than there is a supply of the vaccine.

So the vaccine will go a lot farther if they ignore Dr. Fauci’s bad advice and they gave the vaccine first to elderly and first to those who haven’t been infected. So it’s really a waste of vaccine if you have people lining up and they say, “Oh, yeah, I got it three months ago but I just want to be safe,” and meanwhile, there’s a 70-year-old guy that (chuckles) hasn’t had covid yet who’s waiting behind the guy who already has had covid.

So it will save thousands of lives if you recognize natural immunity. The other reason to recognize it is, if you recognize the hundreds million Americans who have had this plus a hundred-and-some-odd million that have been vaccinated, guess what? That’s why you have herd immunity and the numbers have gone down dramatically in our country.

If you don’t count those who got it naturally like myself and others, then you think, “Oh, we’re woefully short.” This is what Dr. Fauci’s saying, and it’s not true — once again, not true — then he wants to force the vaccine on children. So children aren’t at risk for covid-19. The chance of death is one in a million, less than being struck lightning. But they’re wanting to force this on newborns, 5-year-olds. They’re wanting to mandate it for school. But it’s only because they’re (chuckles) ignoring the science of natural immunity.

CLAY: This is fantastic. I really appreciate it, Senator Paul. So you would advise, as a doctor — and we’ve been talking about this, a lot of us have children — that it doesn’t make sense for kids to get the vaccine. What about those of us who’ve had natural immunity like Buck and myself, and you who’ve got covid, still have covid antibodies? Do you think it makes sense if we go out and get the vaccine? Should we? How would you advise people who know they’ve had covid, know they have immunity in antibodies right now, does it make sense to also get the vaccine?

SEN. PAUL: The first thing is in a free society everybody makes up their own mind based on their doctor’s advice — and sometimes multiple doctors’ advice — and there can be conflicts of opinion. I’ll give you a general statement, but it could still be different based on your own medical history. First of all, the vaccine is way safer than the disease if you’re over 65, without question.

That’s my advice. If you don’t want to take it, that’s your business. But that’s just my advice. If you want to take it, over 65, I think the statistics are very good. If you’re over 40 and overweight, I think you’re at significant risk for this too and I would be… Below age 40 when you get down into the twenties, I think that the standard has to be very, very high, almost to perfection for the vaccine because the disease is so extraordinarily non-lethal in the younger ages, particularly below age 25.

Whether or not you take it or not? If it were my children and they were pushing me on it, I would probably test ’em for antibodies first and see if they’ve had the disease. If my kids had had the disease, there’s no way I would give them the vaccine. For people my age — I’m 58 and have had it — at this point, I don’t think there’s any evidence that there are large numbers of people who have had it getting it and going to the hospital and dying.

If I see a study next week that says, you know, 5% of the people who had it a year ago are now in the hospital and dying, (chuckles) I’ll change my mind and I’ll go vaccinated. But given the evidence now and given that there are no studies showing large numbers of people in the hospital or dying that previously had the disease, I’ve chosen not to get the vaccination.

But, you know, members of my family I have advised to get it that are over 65, overweight. A few of my brothers and sisters are physicians. They chose to get it because they see patients with covid. I’m not against the vaccine, but I am for freedom and letting each individual make their own decision.

BUCK: Senator Rand Paul, we really appreciate you joining us and sharing your expertise and perspective. Great to talk to you.

SEN. PAUL: Thanks, guys.

BUCK: Clay, let’s come back and get into some of this. I’ve also got me so the Afghanistan updates because we just had the secretary of defense on. You look like you’re already —

CLAY: Those kind of segments; you can’t hear ’em anywhere else, Buck. I mean, it’s really amazing. To have Rand Paul sit with us for 15 minutes and just wade through all of those things, it is, I think, eminently important. And there are massive parts of our media, Buck, that wouldn’t allow that conversation to be heard anywhere right now.

BUCK: In just that conversation people, including myself, learned things.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Data-based, reasonable, nuanced. This is not what you hear. It’s “Rand Paul wants old people to die ’cause of Republican and Trump!”

CLAY: It’s all stupidity.

BUCK: “These are stupid red-staters!” No.

CLAY: That was more intelligent, I guarantee you be, than any segment that will air on MSNBC anywhere, today, probably this week, maybe this month.

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Videos of shoplifting in stores all across America are going viral.

Individuals are loading up with as much as they can carry and casually, in broad daylight, walking out of stores, and here’s why: They know that because law enforcement is under the microscope of the BLM movement and critical race theory, shoplifters aren’t being prosecuted. In some cases, retail chains are telling their employees not to bother calling the police.

It’s the reverse of the broken windows theory that cleaned up big city crime in the 1990s, but has been abandoned by the liberals who run America’s Democrat-controlled cities.

As Buck said, “This is the lawlessness you get from the social justice first, left-wing narrative of the law doesn’t count, everything has to be seen through a lens of intersectionality and historical oppression and all the rest of it. It’s madness.”

Nothing so clearly defines the Left’s end stage of “social justice” like casually stealing piles of consumer goods in broad daylight without consequence https://t.co/XUNvdqPoFb

— Buck Sexton (@BuckSexton) July 21, 2021

Clay, who has experience working in retail himself, says a friend of his who works at Nordstrom reports this is happening in high-end Nashville stores near where he lives as well. “People will walk in there, not even disguise what they are doing and even will tell security guards, ‘Hey, get outta my way.'”

Not surprisingly, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has weighed in, defending the shoplifters, saying – a la the dramatics in Les Miserables – most are probably in dire need of food. Whereas Buck argued that’s hard to believe when our own eyes show us “intelligent” criminals loaded up with Gucci bags and Nike shoes.

C&B opened up the phone lines to hear from retail workers and law enforcement officers who are dealing with this scary and dangerous trend all over the country.

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