Left In Full-Blown Delta Panic

29 Jul 2021

CLAY: This is all growing out of the panic from the Delta variant, and that panic is expressed by Jim Cramer on CNBC. Here’s what he said.

CRAMER: Starbucks, which is getting crushed, on a good quarter by the way. [Starbucks CEO] Kevin Johnson has been talking about the Great Reopening and human connection. Well, what happens if it’s the Great Reclose? I mean, in order to be able to get to herd immunity in this country, we’re going to have to have 100 million people get covid. With the way that this Delta variant goes, 100 million could be very quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a hundred million people sick in nine weeks.

BUCK: I mean, is it possible to say something that’s too stupid so that people get embarrassed, Clay?

CLAY: I will say this. I give him credit, at least, for talking about the fact that people do get covid. (chuckles) Because it’s like natural immunity doesn’t exist in any conversation, that you hear in the media. It’s all about the vaccine rate. Who is getting vaccinated, who is not, and nobody talks about the reality, which is about 100 million people — a reasonable estimate that’s probably too low.

That includes Buck Sexton (yourself) and me. We both have had covid, and there are tons of our listeners out there who have had covid. There are even more people who have had covid, that don’t even know that they had covid, probably! You have never gone and gotten antibody tests, you probably never went and got a test, because so many people are asymptomatic. Over 100 million people already have covid, and I would point to this.

Again, focusing on data. India was rampant with the Delta variant, which was basically where this came from, and according to antibody tests in India — which, by the way, somehow, they’re able to do in India and we can’t manage to get a reliable antibody study nationwide done in the United States. I don’t know why that hasn’t occurred, because I think all the focus is on the vaccines and how much money the vaccine companies are going to make.

So vaccines, vaccines, vaccines. But in India, over two-thirds of that country has now had covid, mostly the Delta variant, and their cases have disappeared. If you look at the charts on the number of infections, covid has basically vanished now in India. One more time — if you look at the data, Buck.

BUCK: If you looked at the data in New York City, in June of 2020, based on a serology testing they’d done at that point, they had 20% of the population with antibodies.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So that was one-fifth of New York City, a year and a month ago. And now you’re going to tell me, if you extrapolate that out, if you look at what that would mean, it’s clear to me. You mentioned the 100 million figure. That’s a basement level. That’s a bottom line.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It’s probably higher than that.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

TIM RYAN: Somebody in this chamber is coming from a hot spot! Somebody (snickering) represents the hot spots, and they get on a plane and they fly here and they interact with all of us. And then we leave here and we go home to our families! Some, take care of their sick parents, some take care of kids who may have an autoimmune disorder. And I just find it absolutely immature and appalling to somehow diminish it to try to score cheap political points, and that’s exactly what we saw a few minutes ago. That is beneath a minority leader of one of the major political parties in the United States of America.

CLAY: Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. There you have Democrat Tim Ryan sounding like a total jackass, which is really his skill set. He’s quite good at it.

BUCK: (chuckling) It’s his brand.

CLAY: I just want to break this down for a second, because we’re going to have Minority Leader McCarthy with us in just a few minutes here talking about this and everything else going on. There are a lot of things are happening in the country right now that aren’t masks. But you’ll notice, the Democratic fixation is on this right now. Because they still feel morally superior in their long embrace of Fauci-ism.

BUCK: They think that they’re good the guys in this battle against covid. But let’s just take what Tim Ryan said over there, the congressman from Ohio. Let’s take what he said for a moment and just unpack it. That if you don’t want to wear a mask when you’re in Congress, you’re a bad person. You’re a hot spot person. You’re a risk. All of these members of Congress who are Democrats — I assure you — are sitting in restaurants, going to bars, doing things where they’re around unmasked people all the time.

CLAY: But they’re also vaccinated.

BUCK: Right. But the point is, they’re already being around unmasked people constantly, all the time! But in this one place, at this one time, at Capitol Hill, they think that they’re going to be making people safer by forcing people to mask up on pain of being arrested? Minority Leader McCarthy understands what’s really going on here when he says this is about people wanting to control other people. It’s just about control.

MCCARTHY: It’s just like their philosophy! They want to mandate! They want to impose! They want to tell you when you can go to school, when you can eat. You know what they’re going to do if you walk into this building without a mask? They’ll charge you $500. Why? Because they’ve got the power to do it.

CLAY: I just, I want to see this challenged, Buck, and what I mean by this… This is maybe the lawyer in me, following through on the process. But if you get a speeding ticket, most people just pay their speeding ticket. Most of the time if you get pulled over for speeding, there’s a good chance you were speeding. But if you want to challenge a speeding ticket, you have an opportunity to show up.

You have a court date, your arresting officer will be there, and you can defend yourself against the speeding ticket. Let’s say, you had an emergency, you were driving, you had a pregnant wife with you — or as we found out yesterday, your “pregnant person,” as they now teach in medical schools. Let’s say you had your pregnant wife with you in the car.

Maybe you feel like you were justified in speeding, and you want to challenge whether or not you should have gotten a ticket, right? Let’s presume that somebody is crazy and gives a ticket in that situation. You have the right to do it. Do you have the right, if you get fined $500? And I’m excited to have soon-to-be-speaker McCarthy on in the next hour. I’m excited to ask him this question.

Can you challenge it? Is there a forum where you’re fined $500 for something that is illegitimate in terms of wearing a mask? In most of American society, there is not a situation where a government official can just charge you a fine and you have no due process, to challenge that fine.

BUCK: I’m sure you can take it in a district court. The district court probably would say that Congress has the right to do that.

CLAY: Do they though?

BUCK: Minority Leader McCarthy just said they have the power to do it.

CLAY: They can put the rule in place, but is the rule able to be enforced if it’s actually challenged through due process — and I’ve used a crazy example. If Speaker Pelosi said, “Hey, from now on, every time a Republican speaker speaks in the House, he has to wear a ridiculous Cat in the Hat top hat or I’m going to fine him.” She’s the speaker. She may have the authority to mandate that rule, but if that rule as challenged, what…? Where’s is the next step, in other words?

BUCK: Court. It has to go to court. It would have to go district court. There’s no special Congress court.

CLAY: That’s what I’m saying.

BUCK: They don’t have some other court.

CLAY: That’s what I’m saying: If I were a congressperson or a staff member, I would get challenged, and I would take that into a court and have a hearing on whether there’s any legitimacy whatsoever for the new rule to be applied.

BUCK: The problem, Clay, is that unfortunately a lot of the courts have so far been cowardly, even at the expense of the Constitution, in defending rights against the lockdowns. We saw this most notably with a lot of deference given to states that shut down churches and places of worship while they kept other things open.

CLAY: Oh, no doubt.

BUCK: They had very specific and clearly punitive rules in place for places of worship, as “nonessential.” Your church is nonessential, but going into Costco to be able to buy a La-Z-Boy chair to play your PS4 in? That was essential the whole time. So I’d be curious to see, we will ask the minority leader about it in just a few minutes. I’m also curious to see what the teachers unions are going to be up to. They’re already saying kids have got to mask up. Here’s Randi Weingarten of the AFT, American Federation of Teachers.

WEINGARTEN: We want schools to be open and have a safe and welcoming climate in the fall. Delta threw us a real curveball and, y’know, the lack of the — the (sputtering) herd immunity and enough people being vaccinated and, y’know, kids not being able to get vaccines 12 and under. While vaccination is the number one gold standard that we need to, y’know, bring back our masks for schools. We’re gonna keep kids safe is, we’re gonna keep our members safe, and is we’re gonna try to open up schools, and we’re gonna try to move through this political battlefield.

BUCK: It’s a political battlefield because they’ve made it one, because the teachers union have sided with adults and the Democratic Party instead of students at every stage of this pandemic, including the unforgivable decision. And it was really just taking children hostage, so they could make demands for teachers working from home.

If the person working at your grocery store or the drugstore in your neighborhood could show up throughout the pandemic, teachers could show up, at least in the fall of 2020. But they didn’t. And, Clay, I don’t think they’re done trying to extract concessions, and use this, “Oh, it’s about our safety” thing. What are we even talking about, when it comes to teachers and their safety? They’re vaccinated. Children don’t spread it easily to themand they should be fine.

CLAY: It’s not only that, Buck. They got bonuses! They didn’t work for a year! They sat in front of Zoom classes from whatever they wanted to be. They destroyed the education system. In particular, studies out now, showing — not a surprise — that the kids who failed the most during lockdowns were minority kids. You got the Democratic Party that claims to care not about “equality” anymore, but “equity.”

I can’t think of anything less equitable than insisting that poor kids not be able to go to school in person, falling behind over a year — and, Buck, we’re talking about 18 months later in many places. By September of 2021 these — I think, frankly, indefensible — teacher’s unions that are destroying the fabric of our country in so many ways will not even allow the kids, to be in school in the fall of 2021! It’s madness, pure unaltered madness! I know a lot of parents agree with me.

BUCK: No accountability for this whatsoever.

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Biles Saga Overshadowed by Athletic Excellence

29 Jul 2021

Usually, it’s dramatic wins that make headlines as the biggest Olympics stories. But Clay and Buck noted that this week it was U.S. star gymnast Simone Biles stepping away and her emotional words about her mental health concerns.

Until today.

Eighteen-year-old Minnesotan Suni Lee, who said in an interview, “I’m just super proud of myself for making it here, because there was a point in time when I wanted to quit,” won gold in the women’s all-around gymnastics final – being able to shine in spite of and partially because of the hole left by Biles’ abrupt mid-competition departure.

C&B said it’s a difficult balance.

Buck said he himself has “mixed feelings” and had to balance his own thinking on the issues brought up by Biles, knowing that “there should be no stigma for anybody ever who wants to seek mental health… but that athletes making decisions affect the team.”

“Mental health is important,” agreed bestselling sports author Clay. “But so is being mentally tough, right? So, there’s a balancing act there, between both of those. Because the best champions in the world have to be both physically incredibly tough, and also insanely mentally active, in order to get champions and championships. And continue to dominate. So, the one thing I don’t think we talk enough about, surrounding Simone Biles, is how every one of her teammates, with really no notice to speak of, had to step up their game.”

Listen here for more of the provocative Olympic discussion – and congratulations to, as Clay said, the now “greatest Olympic gymnast in the world” Suni Lee – from Team C&B:

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Rep. Nancy Mace Taunts Pelosi: Come and Get Me

29 Jul 2021

CLAY: Here is Representative Nancy Mace’s video that she posted earlier today — just in the last couple of hours — directed to Nancy Pelosi.

MACE: In the tunnel this morning, socially distant from anybody else. I’ve had covid. I’ve had two vaccinations. I’m washing my hands. I’m even wearing my mask inside the Chamber! But I’m not going to wear it anywhere else. So, Madam Speaker, come and get me.

Madam Speaker, your insane power grab is showing. Today I’m not wearing a mask outside of the chamber b/c I follow science — not Pelosi. Come and get me. pic.twitter.com/7vDNn4Tzke

— Nancy Mace (@NancyMace) July 29, 2021

BUCK: I like it. This is like “molon labe” for masks. “Come and take it,” or I guess, “Come and grab me and try to arrest me.” But I gotta tell you, Clay, listen to what she just said. “I’ve had covid, I’ve had two vaccines, I’ve been through all this stuff.” At some point, we just have to force the other side to admit that their plan is that this never stops, that they just get to determine when and how much of this you have to do.

But you’re never actually free of it — and, to that, I’d say, we’re going to come back to this. Remember in the beginning of the debates about covid, it was, “What about the flu? We didn’t do this for that. People die from the flu every year.” They said, “Oh, well, this isn’t the flu.” Uh, now we’re actually getting to numbers where it pretty much is actually in terms of what the spread is right now and the number of people dying from it.

It’s pretty close to a flu season, and they’re acting like we have to get close to doing all this stuff. They’ve just lost their minds. I don’t know what else to say. This is… Orange Man Bad was keeping them up at night. Now it’s the lack of masking. It was Russia collusion before. Now it’s the lack of vaccinated Trump supporters. These people have real problems, Clay.

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Merrick Garland Weaponizes DOJ on Voting

29 Jul 2021

BUCK: While we’re all sitting here worrying about the lockdowns, the masks, or the possibility of lockdowns and all the rest of it, the DOJ, courtesy of Attorney General Merrick Garland, has put out a warning to states out there — I find this fascinating — that they shouldn’t just assume — this is basically what Garland, as the attorney general, is saying — that they can go back to whatever their voting rules were, before the emergency situation of covid in 2020, that they’ll still challenge things.

So, you can’t just revert back and assume that the DOJ is going to be okay with that, that the new, under-an-emergency rules shouldn’t be thought of as really just for emergency. Now the Democrats got a taste of mail-in balloting in places that had never had it before.

Now that they have experienced the obvious benefits for making it much harder to prove fraud, much harder to avoid fraud for an election, Clay, the DOJ is going to bring all these lawsuits. This is all part of the Biden administration narrative, that if you believe in voter ID, if you believe in mail-in balloting or ballot harvesting is a problem, Jim Crow 2.0. This is the DOJ doing Biden’s dirty work, which we all should have expected.

CLAY: Thankfully, we have a big decision that came out of the Supreme Court in the couple of months, the 6-3 decision, which gave great deference to individual states as it pertains to election law. So it is going to be nearly impossible, for the Department of Justice to win these lawsuits — and I want to give credit for the state of Georgia, which has already had its new law challenged for the Department of Justice.

Because I believe in the state of Georgia’s response to that lawsuit, they asked why the Department of Justice was not filing suit in places like New York, Delaware, Democratic states which have more restrictive voting policies that what exist in Georgia right now. And that is an impressive, I think, counterpunch.

But also, the law ultimately is going to be on the side of these Republican states that are trying to strengthen the overall voting integrity of their elections. But in the meantime, it can be a political card that’s being played.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: Unfortunately, it’s just bound to fail, and I think the Department of Justice lawyers would know that, which is why these lawsuits being filed in any way are inherently a directly politically move.

BUCK: Right. This is about the narrative that the media will run with, of Republicans suppressing minority votes, Republicans preventing non-white voters from being able to cast their ballots. And that the DOJ is bringing the suits, essentially is used as data points one, two, and three —

CLAY: Evidence, yes.

BUCK; — about how awful the Republicans are. Now, you’re taking it from the perspective of, look at what the actual legal outcome will be. In the meantime, it has to make its way through the court. The DOJ is putting out these memos, and the talking points going into, what will be quite a midterm election will be that the Department of Justice has brought suit against the Jim Crow 2.0 laws of the GOP in Georgia.

So we’re here to tell people the truth, and we’re here to tell people that the suits probably won’t work, meaning that they won’t actually win in the end. But it is a reminder that this DOJ, under Merrick Garland — who was supposed to be a fair-minded moderate. Remember when they wanted him under the Supreme Court in the Obama administration?

This is classic usage of the powers of the DOJ for a very partisan electoral agenda, and it won’t work in the sense that they’ll get everything they want. But it does provide ammunition to their side to continue on with this story line that anything Republicans do to try to make voting more secure — and, by the way, in baseball, it’s a brushback pitch. Right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: They’ve thrown a few of those with these guidance documents about states doing audits. The DOJ is saying, “Nice audits you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it. We might have to come in there and look at it in addition.” It’s very transparent what they’re doing. They got a taste. The Democrats got a taste of changing the rules in 2020 on the emergency basis, and now they’re saying, “How dare do you think that was actually on the emergency basis?”

CLAY: I think it also reflects how little power Merrick Garland has in the Department of Justice. He’s an old white guy, and any time the revolutionaries — younger, probably more diverse underlings that are working in the Department of Justice — bring this in front of him, he’s afraid that he’s going to end up on the chopping block. “Oh, what do you know about voter fraud, old white guy?”

Merrick Garland is basically just like Joe Biden. They are doing the bidding of others. I legitimately question if Merrick Garland was looking at all this evidence that he would bring these lawsuits at all if he were his own client, if he were using his own legal acumen to make decisions about which cases to bring. When you know you’re bringing a lawsuit that is bound to lose, it’s really a show-and-sham lawsuit, and he has to know that and he has to recognize it.

It’s evidence of how ridiculous the Jim Crow 2.0 narrative is in general.

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Leader McCarthy Pushes Back on Pelosi’s Mask Mandate

29 Jul 2021

BUCK: Clay and I are about to dive into all of this with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who joins us on the line. Great to have you, Congressman. How are you doing?

LEADER MCCARTHY: I’m doing well. Congratulations, you two, on the show.

BUCK: Thank you very much. We appreciate it. So, we just had the breaking news about the D.C. mask mandate. We’ve been talking a lot about Speaker Pelosi’s mask rule and the possibility of fines or maybe even arrests. Minority Leader, what are you going to do about this?

LEADER MCCARTHY: You know, you need to understand where this comes from. We just brought in the physician for the Capitol. He based his decision on the CDC. The CDC has now become political. This is what the country needs to understand. The physician in the Capitol, Dr. Monahan, said, “Well, the CDC recommends, based upon a report that has not been printed yet.”

We then went further and asked the doctor, “Did you know this report is based upon a study in India about a vaccine that isn’t approved in America and doesn’t even have peer review?” “I did not know that.” And in the CDC recommendation, it says only for hot spots. In Washington, D.C., there’s an 85%-of-the-Capitol vaccination rate. Even in the Washington Post they write if you were vaccinated, for you to go to the hospital with a new variant is .003%.

It’s more likely you get hit by lightning than have to go to the hospital. And the most interesting part about all of this where our Speaker does not understand what science means, you’re basing something on a study in India, on a vaccine that isn’t in America. Our vaccines work. And it’s not even peer reviewed. What they’re doing is, the administration is making the CDC political.

Because what’s the next thing they did, once they got them to make this report? Every federal employee needs one. They’re going to use this to shut the schools down. They’re going to use this. You’re watching it day after day just continue to grow. That’s what they want to have happen. They first go to the House, and inside the U.S. Capitol, if you’re in the House side, you have to wear a mask or you get fined or arrested. But somewhere around the Rotunda, the science changes.

BUCK: (chuckling)

LEADER MCCARTHY: So, in the Senate, you don’t have to wear a mask.

CLAY: Congressman, I appreciate it. This is Clay. I appreciate you coming on. So what’s the response? Buck and I have been talking about earlier in the show, it feels to me — and I’m curious what you would say to your members, several of whom have already started to say this — that the response needs to be, “Come and arrest me then, Nancy Pelosi.”

If I’ve already been vaccinated and already have had covid, as several of your members have, there’s zero scientific justification for wearing a mask.

LEADER MCCARTHY: Yes.

CLAY: And I think you’re right. There needs to be a battle at some point. You guys have to start fighting for people out there, who want their kids to be in school, without having to wear masks, who want their small businesses to be able to stay open. What’s the best way to fight now?

LEADER MCCARTHY: That’s exactly what we’re doing. Watch what… If you and I were talking yesterday, no one knew how the CDC got their “science” to make this and change the country. It was the House Republicans that brought it forward. It was the House Republicans who confronted the physician. It is the House Republicans, the leader, who challenged the Speaker on the science behind it. What was her response?

To call me names.

Not to debate about the science, but to call me names. The Democrats have the majority in the House — and unfortunately, the rules of the House, all she does is she fines you $500. She won’t arrest members. But she tries to arrest staff. We tell staff, “You don’t have to.” They’re trying to make Americans, who are vaccinated, to wear a mask again. It’s about control, and if they really want people to get vaccinated, they wouldn’t take information off the internet.

They would let somebody who hasn’t been vaccinated to have all the information, so they could make a decision. They wouldn’t tell vaccinated people what the science tells you it’s not going to do anything, to wear a mask. Because it takes away the incentive for someone to get vaccinated. It’s all about control, and we’re not going to sit back. We’re not going to allow this to happen. We just did our other press conference out front. We’re united in our approach. The very best thing we could do is fire Pelosi, because she’s the one that’s fundamentally driving this behind Biden.

CLAY: What happens with the $500 fine? How they enforce that? How do they make you pay?

LEADER MCCARTHY: They take it out of your paycheck.

CLAY: They take it out of your paycheck.

LEADER MCCARTHY: You have to understand what the Democrats have done in the House. It’s total control. Never in the history of Congress, has the Speaker picked who could be on committee for the minority side. She then instituted past rule, that they would fine you $500 if you didn’t have a mask on. They take it directly out of your paycheck. She magnetometers before the House chambers.

I don’t understand. It’s only for members themselves. If you go around it, it buzzes and you go through, you get fined $5,000 taken directly from your paycheck. The most interesting part is, Clyburn, the whip, because he has security, he walks around it. It’s the same thing as before. Remember when Nancy Pelosi wanted the country shut down, said, “You can’t get your hair done,” but she goes and gets it done?

CLAY: (chuckles) Of course.

LEADER MCCARTHY: Remember when Nancy Pelosi said inflation is not a problem? Her husband and her just made $5 million in the last couple of months. How? Not because he invested in stocks or buildings. He bought option calls. What did he buy it on? He bought it on tech stocks. When did he buy it? In the time that we were debating the bills and legislation before tech. You think that’s right?

BUCK: No, it’s clearly not.

LEADER MCCARTHY: She says one thing, and the law does not abide by her.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy here. And, sir, I just want to know what do you think people out there — because they ask us — what should they do about this continued covid authoritarianism? I mean, it’s in D.C. right now. It’s in Los Angeles County. I’m worried. I’m here in New York City. I think I might be next. Although, we’ll see. What should people, who don’t want their kids masked up, and don’t want to have deal with this do? What should their next moves?

LEADER MCCARTHY: Let’s go to the foundation of where they’re bringing this premise: From the CDC, which they made political. Let’s look at the study. The study that the CDC is basing it on, is it printed? The study is based on a study in India on a vaccine that isn’t in America — our vacancies work — and it’s not peer reviewed. How can any scientific belief harbor from this?

But they utility this to make the other cities, to control us more. Why are they doing it today? Because they’re coming after your schools next. They’re going back into our restaurants. They’re going back to our small businesses. The only thing they care about is control. If that wasn’t the case, why would why would they put magnetometers around the Hill to get in?

Why would they make you $500 if you don’t wear it on the floor? It’s all about control. In the exact same building, you walk halfway across, it no longer lies there. In the Senate, you don’t have to wear a mask. If the Capitol police officer works on the House side, he’s told to arrest people, if they don’t have one. Later in the day, if he works on the Senate side? No, they don’t have to wear a mask over there.

BUCK: (chuckling) So ridiculous.

LEADER MCCARTHY: Where is the science behind it? America needs to stand up, play by the science, and show them that they’re wrong. We cannot take this any longer.

CLAY: So I think you’re 100% right on all of this. Do you get the sense…? Buck and I have been talking about this. Do you get the sense that the American public is finally fed up? Because I do. This newest shift from the CDC after the White House and everything else said and the bargain was, “Get the vaccine. You never have to wear a mask again.” And suddenly, they’re coming back, and saying we have to wear masks again? Republicans are fed up. But I get the sense that reasonable Democrats — to the extent they still exist — and lots of independents are sitting around saying, “This is covid madness.”

LEADER MCCARTHY: This is covid madness. They were afraid they were losing control. Why don’t you put it out public? How could they make a decision on a study that’s not even public, that you can’t read, that’s based upon a vaccine that’s not even in America? How could that stand on its merit? But this is what they do. They take that to control the rest of our lives.

America will not stand for this, and it’s not about a Republican or Democrat or anybody else. It’s the Americans themselves. We’re not going to go backwards. It’s .003% if you’re vaccinated. We were told if we got the vaccine, we could go back to work, back to school, back to health, back to normal. Now they’re trying to take us back, because somehow they’re losing control.

You’ve watched every step of the way from Pelosi getting her hair done when they said you can’t have it, from Gavin Newsom going to the restaurant when he tells you no one else can. This is fundamental. They want it one way. They want to control us and live another way. That is not right. That is not fair. That is not the American way. And it shouldn’t fundamentally be one side. We need to stand up and fight this.

CLAY: House Minority Leader McCarthy, thank you so much for joining us, sir. We appreciate your time today.

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BUCK: Let’s start with Nancy Pelosi letting everybody know that you gotta wear a mask in the House.

PELOSI: Consistent with the newly updated guidance from the Office of the Attending Physician relating to the increased threat from the Delta variant of the virus, the chair wishes to inform all members and staff that masks, once again, will be required in the hall of the House. However, members will be permitted to remove their mask temporarily while under recognition.

BUCK: Oh, I guess they’re supposed to be thankful for that —

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: — that they don’t have to have it to speak to address the American people. Remember, everybody that we’re talking about here in the House, you would think at this point, have they had a chance to get vaccinated? So, what are they so worried about? What is the big concern for them? The Democrats all parade around that they have all been vaccinated.

I’m sure none of them have been vaccinated and have been sick. Clay, from the very early days, it was clear this would be become a political signifier. Now I think we can just see that the mask is the MAGA hat, so to speak, of the left. It has been for a long time, and it’s also an excuse for wielding power in very troubling ways. They’re going to arrest right now. That’s the rule: $500 fines for members of Congress who violate the mask mandate, and they can even arrest — Capitol Hill police, the Praetorian Guard of Pelosi — anybody in the Gallery or any staff who don’t wear the mask.

CLAY: I don’t know how this ends. But we’ve been talking, Buck, about what resistance to mask mandates should look like for much of our audience. And the perspective has been, “Hey, defy, but don’t get arrested.” Do we feel differently if you are a member of the House of Representatives? Because I kind of do. I kind of feel like it’s doing your duty in some level to force the House police to arrest you.

Is that a crazy position to be put in? Because I don’t know what actually happens. Okay. It’s a $500 fine. Well, what happens if you still refuse to wear a mask? I’m saying, “Look, I don’t want somebody who is unvaccinated, to do it,” because I think it’s bad optics. But I think if there are members of the House Republican caucus, who have been vaccinated, who may have been vaccinated and already have covid.

If they want to say, “I’m going to refuse to wear a mask, because I’m going to follow the guidance, that the CDC put out just two months ago that the White House publicized in an effort to try to get as many people vaccinated as possible. I followed your advice. I did what the CDC said. I did what the White House said. And now you’re telling me that I have to wear a mask, even though I’ve been vaccinated, even though I might have already had covid?

“I’m willing to be arrested,” because, Buck, I’m not sure procedurally where this goes from there. What if they refuse to pay the $500 fine? Are they banned from entering the House floor? Does the speaker have authority over something such as this, to disallow a democratically elected member of Congress to do his or her job over whether or not they’re wearing masks? This is a big question. And let me just say here. What if Nancy Pelosi decided that you had to wear a Cat in the Hat hat in order to speak in the House of Representatives? That would sound like a ridiculous request.

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: Where does her authority, in other words, end? And I’m just tossing out of ridiculous hyperbolic example. If I were a member of the House, I had been vaccinated, and I already had covid potentially, I’m defying this. I don’t want someone who hasn’t been vaccinated to defy this, because the optics aren’t as good then. But if you follow the White House’s advice, the CDC’s advice, why is it suddenly being changed?

Are you as fascinated as me as to how this would play out, if a member — and by the way, we have Kevin McCarthy, who is the minority leader, on in the second hour. Maybe he knows the answer to some of these questions. I’m really genuinely intrigued from the legal perspective where this will go.

BUCK: Well, I’m also intrigued about what this means for mandates around the rest of the country and Democrat Party being completely insane. What happens on Capitol Hill, obviously, is political theater. But it has implications well beyond that. You mentioned Kevin McCarthy. He’ll be joining us today in the second hour of the show. So definitely stay around for that, and here he is, saying that the Capitol Hill police have been ordered to arrest people on this mask nonsense.

MCCARTHY: If you’re a Capitol police officer, you’ve got orders that you work at some parts on the House side and some parts on the Senate. If a vaccinated staffer comes across on the House side without a mask, you are ordered to arrest them. But not on the Senate. This is not the America we know. This is not Pelosi’s House. This is the people’s House.

BUCK: This is health policy, that in legal terms, you could say is capricious and arbitrary, which has been the downfall of the mask maniacs all along. In the Senate, you don’t have to do this. But in the House, you don’t have to do this. But you don’t have to do it when you’re speaking. This is a little bit like “mask up between bites.”

This is a little bit like, “We’re going to come up with these completely absurd, arbitrary designations for what is acceptable and safe conduct,” when even beyond, Clay, that the basics here of, “Why now?” there’s, “Why ever?” Why was this ever a thing that we did, and that we allowed to happen? Mask mandates were dumb all along, even Fauci knew it, and now they pretend like they can bring them back with us all admitting that this is somehow the right thing to do? I don’t think so.

CLAY: That’s why I want members of the House to defy this rule, potentially get arrested, and see what the procedural posture becomes. Because there is legitimately (chuckling) no scientific evidence that it’s supporting the idea that if you were vaccinated, you need to be wearing a mask inside. In fact, if you look at Dr. Marty Makary (I believe that’s how you pronounce his name) who is doing an incredible job at Johns Hopkins, he said as much, that there is no one out there that can point to studies to back up the new CDC mask mandate. Listen to him.

MAKARY: No, it hasn’t, and we have no studies at all for this mask guidance. I would love to see the data. You know, we are supposed to be “following the science.” Dr. Walensky cited some cases of transmissions among vaccinated people. Was that one? Was it 50? Was it a thousand? Out of $42 billion, that the NIH spends on research, we have zeros studies that were funded to look at masks on schools, yet we put restrictions on 50 million kids for a year and a half.

BUCK: This is critical too. Where are the mask studies?

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: On a baseline level, where is the effectiveness of this as a tool for controlling the pandemic? The reason why we don’t have that data front and center is because they can’t compile it because it doesn’t exist. That’s number one. Beyond that, we’ve reached that phase, Clay, of this whole thing, where we know we can’t trust their judgment about what’s reasonable risk.

We know we can’t trust that this isn’t highly politicized and anybody who isn’t recognizing that at this stage is just delusional quite honestly. I mean, they’re talking about the risk of children. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, brought up how they were doing this mask mandate because it was more dangerous by some number than the flu to children.

I said, “Wait. I thought we all agreed and understood this is basically not a danger to children,” but they sepak out of both sides of their mouth all the time, because what they’ve told us hasn’t worked. And now they’re desperate to maintain the control that they had in telling us to do the things that were ineffective at controlling, never mind, stopping covid.

CLAY: Are you with me on the arrest side for the House of Representatives? Let’s pretend you or I were in the House right now, representing the Republican caucus. We had already been vaccinated. My position would be that I’m not going to wear a mask, and that I am going to require them to arrest me to send a message. I think this is different. I don’t want people going into Target or something to be getting arrested over whether you should be wearing a mask.

But your representatives are supposed to defend your interests. To me, this is a very valid way to get arrested by refusing to comply with a rule that makes no sense. That to your point, Buck, is going to be used as evidence of why mask mandates should be implemented all the way down. If they accept the cosmetic theater in the House, then your employer might require it as well. This is an important thing that they can stand on in my mind.

BUCK: And just the fact that you’ve taken off while you speak. This reminds me of when I was on that fateful flight that I told everybody about here, when they kicked three people off the flight. They delayed the flight almost an hour to kick them off.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And the airline attendant, who was so furious about the mask noncompliance pulled her mask down at the front of the plane for about five minutes —

CLAY: Yeah. (laughing)

BUCK: — to shout about the mask mandate. At some level, the stupidity here absolutely deserves ridicule. It deserves mockery at this point.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: We’re beyond, we have a difference of opinion on this. They are living in fantasy land with this bullcrap. We can all see it. But there’s also the lust for power behind this and the ability to control people and the fear. And they don’t want to let that go either.

CLAY: No. And, look, I think you and I are both saying, “Hey, don’t refuse to wear a mask on an airplane, and cause a one-hour delay.” You have to do I; I have to do it. I’m flying to Las Vegas later on this afternoon. I’m going to have to wear a mask to be on my airplane. I think it’s stupid. I think it’s worthless. But I’m not going to delay the flight or get kicked off and not be able to fly.

But if I were a House of Representatives member right now, representing people all over the country who are having to comply with this idiocy, I would force Nancy Pelosi’s police to arrest me, if I had done the research to know, as well what the procedural posture is going forward. In other words, does the Speaker of the House have to justify her rules with science? Does there have to be some indication or evidence of why she’s changing the rules back? Because if I’m vaccinated and I already complied with the initial CDC rule, this doesn’t make any sense at all.

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Sen. Tommy Tuberville on College Football and Budget Insanity

29 Jul 2021

CLAY: We are joined now by Senator Tommy Tuberville from the great state of Alabama. Senator, I appreciate you giving us some time. I know it’s been a crazy day and days and weeks that are coming in the Senate. We’re going to get into the budget process and everything else here in a moment. But first, you coached in Ole Miss. You coached at Auburn. You also coached in the Big 12 at Texas Tech. What do you think about Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC?

SEN. TUBERVILLE: I think it’s very interesting. I’m kind of surprised. But you know Texas would really want to be in. I was a little bit surprised about Oklahoma, and will still be surprised if they will be able to pull out of Oklahoma without Oklahoma State. It’s hard to divide schools like that, but sometimes the legislature gets involved and sometimes it doesn’t.

But it will obviously enhance the SEC. Now, it will make it tougher. It will probably bring more TV money, which is what they’re looking at with this NIL coming up and all the extra costs. So, I think it’s good. I think it’s good. I hate it for the Big 12. I coached at Texas Tech. They will have to scramble to see what will happen, but I’m not sure SEC is done taking schools. They might continue on, but we’ll see what happens.

BUCK: Senator, it’s Buck, here. I want to know what your sense is of how this process of the budget is moving along. Yesterday, we said on the show, there was that breaking news about bipartisan agreement. But now we’ve got Sinema saying she won’t go along with the $3.5 trillion, and we don’t even know what is in this. But what are you seeing and hearing, and what should we be focused on, in terms of what really feels like the only piece of the Biden agenda, from a legislative perspective, that could still happen?

SEN. TUBERVILLE: Well, first of all, every American should know, this is the reckless, tax-and-spend agenda they’ve had. I’ve never seen anything like it. Of course, I’m just a normal American and someone who has been up here six months and I’m shocked by what’s going on on the other side and all the spending they want, all the new programs they want to start. You know, when you start a program up here in Washington D.C., they never go away.

They say, “Oh, it’s gonna be a year, two years,” and they last forever, and we’re gonna put more and more people on a paycheck. They don’t want anybody to work. They want to continue working towards socialism and Marxism. That’s the direction they’re headed. But I think you’re seeing Sinema and Manchin looking at the situation going, “Wait a minute. This is getting out of hand. I know that we’ve all voted together as Democrats in the past…”

I know Sinema has probably has got a number in her head of what she wants to do and how far she wants to go, and I know Joe Manchin does. I don’t think they’re on the same agenda. So we’ll have to wait and see what happens there. But we have to have a true infrastructure bill.

All the mess they got in this thing, I’ve looked at some of the things they’ve been talking about. Number one, it’s laughable what they want to put in there. I just don’t understand it. They’re not going to get $3.5 trillion. That’s not going to happen. They’re gonna probably try to get at least half of that and we’ll see what happens from there.

BUCK: Senator, do you have…? I just thought it was interesting. You said you’ve only been out there six months, and you mentioned Sinema and Manchin who seem to be the most reasonable of the Democrats. Do you have any kind of relationship with either of those people at all? I mean, do you sit around and talk with them in any way that would be sort of a collegial nature, or is it very exclusionary Republicans and Democrats in the Senate so far in your experience?

SEN. TUBERVILLE: No. With probably about a dozen, we sit down and talk and tell jokes and have fun when we’re off the floor and business is not going on. We’ve gone to parties together and we’re quite cordial. But that’s not a lot. And, you know, there’s a group in the Democratic Party that’s on the far, far left that, of course, I’m not even talking to any of them.

And I’ve been here six months. It’s just the divide here is what had surprised me more than anything, the divide not just in between Republicans and Democrats, but also the divide, really, of what the Democrats are looking at with two or three separate groups. You know, the liberals, the basically Marxists and communists — and, you know, the tax-and-spend folks. I mean, it’s just… I hope we just wake up and understand what we’re doing to the future of this country and to the kids, our grandkids, that are going to pay for all this stuff.

CLAY: Name, image, and likeness. I know you’ve been working on it. It’s a big story. All 50 states trying to figure out how to pay college kids. Different rules, different places. Is Congress going to pass a bill here? Should they?

SEN. TUBERVILLE: I wish we would stay out of it, but it looks like the federal government and the Commerce Committee is going to have to do something to make sure we balance this thing up. The NCAA can’t seem to get the job done, can’t seem to do their job and get everybody just to agree to one thing. But I’ve talked to the Commerce Committee. Of course, I’ve been in the business for 40 years and know a little bit about it.

I’ve talked to the ranking member, and the chairman — madam chair — of the committee, and we’ve worked a little bit on it together. But what we have to have, Clay, is we have to have equality in terms of everybody doing it the same way. If you don’t have a rule, and you don’t compete for championships, everybody has to go by the same rules, and this is a rule that scares me.

I think it’s more of an experiment than anything. I think they’re looking at this. And I was a coach for years, and I wanted to give as much money to every player, man and woman, in every sport we possibly could. But it’s almost impossible. I mean, there might be a half a dozen to a dozen teams that can really afford the things that’s coming down the pike. But there’s a lot of teams that can’t.

We can’t ruin athletics in this country, especially high school and college. If we do that… That’s one of the true things we’re holding on to, where people learn discipline, they learn values, they learn how to work together. And we’ve got to be able to hold on to that. And when we get politics involved, things start to disintegrate a little bit. But when you look at this going? My goodness. This is just an opportunity to do things that we couldn’t do. We couldn’t even come close to doing some of these things that they’re allowed to do now.

BUCK: Senator, getting back to politics for a second: Are you concerned that given the inability, it seems, of the Biden White House to get their agenda through on Capitol Hill that there may be some of the more extreme measures that have been talked about all along here, like, for example, getting rid of the filibuster so that then they can ram through the agenda? How confident should we be that the handful — or, really, just a couple — of Democrats that have been a bulwark against eliminating the filibuster will hold the line on that?

SEN. TUBERVILLE: Yeah. I don’t think that will ever happen. And, again, talking to Manchin and Sinema and visiting with them about what they believe about this country and the process, both have said to me quite consistently that they want to keep the process. They do not want to cross that line and allow the Senate to turn into the House where it’s just the majority.

And if we do that, there’s going to be some huge problems. There will be some changes back and forth. Sooner or later, the Republicans are gonna get football back, and if you break the filibuster, then it’s going to be total chaos when the Republicans take over — and the American people don’t deserve that. They deserve less government, less decisions made up here.

You know, we could go home for about three months; it wouldn’t hurt my feelings, because it would save the American taxpayers money. And all we want to do up here is spend money. And that’s not what we’re up here for. We’re up here to help. And we’ve done very little help with the pandemic, with the borders, with crime, all the things that are going on. That’s what we should be talking about. That’s what we should be working on, but we’re worried about spending money.

And that’s not what we need to do right now. Inflation is getting ready to hit us right between the eyes. It’s already started and it’s going to get worse. There’s no way we can stop it. You have your old pal out there, spending $100 billion a day or a week on all these Treasury bills, and things are going to go sideways on us, and when it does, we’re at a 0% interest rates! Where do we go from there? We got nowhere to go. Europe tried that and it didn’t work. We’ve gotta be very careful of what we’re doing, and if inflation keeps going, we’re all going to be in trouble.

CLAY: Last question for you, Senator. I want to know: More anger in the state of Alabama when you were coaching college football or now that you’re a politician? How would you compare the vibe at those two different jobs?

SEN. TUBERVILLE: (chuckles) Well, there’s a divide in both of that in coaching college football. But at the end of the day, you look each other in the eyes and say, “Hey, you did the best for what you were supposed to be doing for your team.” Up here, it’s two separate teams and it’s two separate Americas.

I mean, we’re not fighting for the flag. We’re not fighting for the anthem. We’re not fighting for the Constitution here. We’re fighting each other on a different type of America, and that’s not what this country is supposed to be. If we start dividing it and if we continue to keep dividing it, you know where we’re headed and it’s not going to be pretty. And we have got to all come together, quit dividing each other.

Get away from this stuff we’re teaching in these schools to the kids. That’s one reason I’m up here is because of education, because I’ve seen how we’ve downgraded: thirty-seventh in the world in math. Now, that makes a lot of sense. The United States of America. China number one. Education is what put us here and education is what is going to ruin us if we continue down this path of teaching kids something about division and about hate.

BUCK: Senator, thanks so much for joining us from the great state of Alabama. We appreciate it.

SEN. TUBERVILLE: Thank you, guys.

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